Mapopolis Navigator Lag on UX-50

[scarbouc]

The information in this thread has been discussed in http://www.cliesource.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=38080.  But in order to not mask the underlying question I started this thread to get attention and get feedback on how many people this effects.  Please help me.

I am a huge fan of Mapopolis Navigator (MNav) but had some recent problems on an actual cross country trip.  There seems to be 2 big bugs. First the indicated speed never said anything more than 70MPH. This has been fixed in a beta that I've used. 2nd big bug that I have been discussing with their support guy is a biggie. It seems on the UX that your GPS location is behind - almost 1/2 mile. This resulted in me missing turns and having to be rerouted. This makes MNav almost unuseable. The problem is on GPSPASSION (a mapopolis forum among others) http://www.gpspassion.com/forumsen/default.asp?CAT_ID=5 doesn't have a lot of UX users and no one else can verify my problem.  Some people think he problem get worse as you go faster. 

So MNav users - have you noticed the problem??? Lamar - the service guy says they are looking at the problem and need help in figuring it out. I think it has to do with the variable speed processor. He says the code takes advantage of ARM in places. As you know we don't have that.  On another thread I asked if there is a variable that can be set to  make the UX run faster - got no response.

Bottom-line - I need help from UX users to figure out why MNav has this delay - or is it just me? It seems to catch up when I stop. I had a good fix on my GPS.  I even tried moving MNav and maps to RAM - no luck .  I'm using the DeLorme Earthmate GPS with Bluetooth Powerpack.

thank you

scarbouc

[edurio]

Same thing here!

Using Socket Bluetooth GPS receiver, and Mapopolis Navigator beta 1.25 . I think that there is a 1.27 beta out there, but haven't installed yet.

I missed all the turns in a trip today (thanks god, I was just checking the behaviour of the system and I knew the route pretty well)

I´m wondering if some "hack kind of" programs are causing this behavour, such as BtToggle, Codediver (I don´t have a setting for Mapopolis though), Keykick, Fonts4OS5....

I would also want to test it with 1.22 version (this is a 320x320 version though). I have found out that this version is quite faster displaying maps and doing most of the things, but not really sure

Ed

[MikeD]

same prob here.. Only have bt toggle installed. I think it may be because the UX has a slower processor??? The non navigator version works perfectly.. But now I'm spoiled by the widescreen...

[scarbouc]

not using BTToggle, Fonts, etc. Just codediver - but not for MNav

[ux_lag]

As mentioned before have the same problem with UX-50 and Fortunal Bluetooth Clip-On GPS. Managed to get the problem somewhat under control (at speeds below 50 mph the lag makes me miss only some turns ;) ) by setting the GPS to send updates every 2 sec instead of every second. With 1.27 beta the software was very sluggish (even the GUI) and the lag was totaly unacceptable (got turn prompts a block or two too late). Note, that I tried both 1.22 and 1.27b on the same route, day, and device at roughly the same time so the only delta I can think of is the software. I also tried removing hacks and other "utility" type software to no avail.

Interestingly another place where both versions seem to be pretty slow is searching "Addr Book" (have to wait a couple of sec for each letter after the first two - again worse in 1.27b) as well as selecting source and destination in the navigation pane (after selecting it the software takes a few seconds to display it). Finding a route and map operations seem to be pretty fast in both cases.

BTW: I have tried various combinations running from MS, Internal MS, RAM, with different amounts of RAM left - did not make any difference. The most signifant differences I saw was moving from 1.22 to 1.27b and reducing update frequency on the GPS.

[MikeD]

I'm guessing it's the processor plus some 'junk' that mapopolis has that's causing the slowdown.... Too bad...

[scarbouc]

unregistered on the other thread suggested "Lowering the update frequency on the GPS to 2 sec helps a bit." What did he mean?

[ux_lag]

Assuming that you are running a NMEA compliant GPS you can lower the frequency of GGA, GSA, and RMC updates (which are usually default as 1 per second). You can do it from the Clie using CruxView (connect to the GPS, go to Protocol menu item, change the frequency for GGA, GSA, and RMC to 2 and click "SEND NMEA Update"). You can also do this through PC software that might have come with your GPS (e.g. SiRFdemo). The GPS should then remember the setting until you reset it (or in some cases swith modes).

[scarbouc]

will this work with a DeLorme?

[Unregistered]

I believe it should. Delorme Erthmate is also SiRF based...

[Lightstorm]

Same problem here, I've actually gone back to v. 1.22. I was at least 1/10 mi behind with the 1.27 beta. Even at slow speeds.

Has anyone tried the lag by setting your cruise control to <70 mph to see if this "ceiling" is causing this?

I've submitted our thread here to Lamar and Cheryl of Mapopolis.

[MikeD]

Here let me ask everyone this... Do you experience as big of a lag if any between 'navigator' mode (with the arrows directing you) or 'regular' gps mode with simply your location moving around. Of course, 'navigator' mode is the most important though.... Anyway, it seemed that the 'regular mode' for me was a bit better at keeping up.

Mike

[scarbouc]

In case any of you got a Beta of MNAV I just got this...

"Please post this information into that thread on Cliesource and
please credit Lamar and Cheryl @ Mapopolis Support as the
source:

Mapopolis thanks you all for reporting on your experience with
the 1.27 beta version and we are grateful for all that we've
learned due to your using it.

Please uninstall the beta version and go back to using the
1.22 version. Mapopolis will let you know when we have
something to test that addresses this specific concern.



Thanks,

Lamar"

[Lightstorm]

Hey everyone,
Don't know if it's me, but I gotta say... I'm not having any lag with the old 1.22 version. I'm using a Bluetooth Socket GPS, and it seems to work flawlessly. Now, as stated above, 1.27 did lag behind pretty bad, but now that I've gone back to 1.22, I'm not having any problems. Anyone else's problems clear up?

Is anyone who's experiencing the lag, having their maps loading from anywhere other than RAM?

[Operator911]

I get an unusably slow update with version 1.22 with the voice prompting. It's pretty irritating when you are trying to impress friends with your new gadgets and the gadget tells you that the turn you just passed is 300 metres ahead...

[Lightstorm]

What GPS receiver are you using?

[scarbouc]

Concur w/ operator.

Using DeLorme Earthmate w/ Bluetooth Powerpack

[edurio]

Socket Bluetooth GPS

[ux_lag]

Lightstorm - you seem to be the only one who did not experience any problems (at least with 1.22). What speeds did you test it at? Also, are you running any hack-type software (e.g. KeyQuick, CodeDiver, other software that patches system calls)?

Note, that even when you map files reside on the card they are always copied into RAM for execution (even if they are along with the application in AliasExt), so this should not make a difference in speed (and in fact does not make any difference from my own testing).

[Lightstorm]

ux_lag,
I have tested it at 80mph this morning and yesterday afternoon. Was doing 80 for about 15 minutes and noticed little to no lag. I figure out whether I have lag by looking at overpasses and seeing if I'm passing under them the same time I'm "crossing the line" on the GPS.

I am currently running CodeDiver, and SnapperMail's the only app configured to use it.

I've seen no lag at all other speeds as well.

Now for the crazy part (and I don't know if this has ANYTHING to do with it, but take it as you will :), I DO remember a lag when I first got it (that's what made me download the 1.27 update), however, I got home and followed your post and changed my settings from 1 sec to 2 sec. But then I decided to change it back before trying it (because the green link light slowed down...plus CruxView is only recommended for the EMTAC receivers--I just didn't want to muck up my new receiver).

I know none of this helps all of you, but hey, it's worth a shot. Ux_lag, you might want to change your settings back to 1 sec and see if it's better.

I'm using the Socket Bluetooth receiver, by the way.

Good luck,

[scarbouc]

so cruxview works with other receivers? I know DeLorme offers a utility whic works on the PC which allows you to view some stuff - but nothing for the palm...

[Lightstorm]

Yeah, I only decided to use CruxView because the EMTAC and the Socket have the same body, so I figured they had the same guts.

[scarbouc]

that's true...@#$! Where can I get a utility to a)see if WAAS is really working B) to experiment with the second delay thing..

[Lightstorm]

Actually it's only sending an NMEA update so you might be OK. Just make sure your GPS has a hard reset first.

Keep us posted. I'd also like to know if this crazy notion worked for anyone else.

[ux_lag]

Just tried changing the update speed to 1/sec and was rewarded with an immediate 300ft lag :( Back to drawing board.

I guess I will have to try to wipe my UX clean one of those days and then try just MNav on it. But I cannot really see any software I use that could cause this kind of problem...

[Lightstorm]

I don't get it...I JUST...DON'T...GET IT.

Here's the situation: I'm heading out to go play my hockey game tonight, and I notice that BANG! the GPS is lagging again. Not too bad, less than .1 mile. So on the way I try various things, loading and unloading maps, rebooting the receiver, etc, and it's about the same.

I go in to play my game (we win!) and come back out.

Boot up the receiver and UX and get moving...lag.

About half way through my trip and connect and check my email. Then go back to the GPS...

NOW IT'S ACCURATE AGAIN.

Seems the OS or App itself has a mind of it's own.

I have heard rumor our problem could be due to the variable-speed processor, but I'm not sure.

We'll see tomorrow. I'll update everyone with any other data I get.

[Lightstorm]

Wait a minute...just thought of something. UX_lag asked if I'm using CodeDiver. I am, for SnapperMail.

I checked my mail right before reconnecting the GPS...

...coinkidink?

I'm going to try this again tomorrow.

Sounds crazy, but I'll try anything at this point.

[ux_lag]

After experimenting a little more with message rates I found that MNav really needs only 2 NMEA sentence types for navigation: GGA and RMC. By setting the rate for these to 1 per second and turning all other messages off I managed to get rid of the lag for both MNav 1.22 and 1.27b - got decent routing with both. I also managed to get good results with the above settings and enabling GSA and GSV sentences once every 5 sec for 1.22 (these sentences give details on available satelites and strengths). I believe the default rates are GGA - 1s, RMC - 1s, GSA - 1s, GSV - 5s.

Given the above it looks like in my case the GSA messages were bogging down the software and causing the lag. Since, according to my very limited understanding, these message are only needed for displaying satelite strenghts and other fancy GPS views, they are not essential for navigation.

Another data point...

[ux_lag]

Lightstorm - interesting observation about CodeDiver - I would guess that most people with UX-50 use it for something or other. Let us know if you find a linkage.

[scarbouc]

how do I hard reset my GPS? DeLorme Earthmate w/ Bluetooth powerpack

[edurio]

And....what can we, Socket Bluetooth GPS users, do about it? (I mean, changing refresh rate and so on)

[Lightstorm]

edurio,
You can change various settings by downloading an app called CruxView at www.emtac.com.

You'll have to search through their support pages for the download.

Everyone else,
I have good news, I guess (but hey, I've cried wolf before)!

SnapperMail came out with a release that uses the landscape screen of the UX, so I removed CodeDiver. The GPS had no lag this morning.

Then again, there was no lag last night when I came up with my "solution."

I'll check again on the way home tonight and let everyone know.

Everyone DOES know that MNav is NOT compatible with hacks, right? Just checking...

[Lightstorm]

Just wanted to throw this in, now that Mapopolis has another competitor...

http://www.palmonecity.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=1979

[scarbouc]

It says T3...does that mean we can use it?

[scarbouc]

BTW did you turn off codediver for ind applications OR uninstall??

[RikF]

Originally posted by Lightstorm
Just wanted to throw this in, now that Mapopolis has another competitor...

http://www.palmonecity.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=1979

Well, here's hoping that a) we get a landscape version and b) they package it without the gps unit as well (currently this option seems to only be available for the pocket pc version). And just when I'd pretty much convinced myself I was going to fork out for mapsonic (I do love the fact that it can use a map much larger than available ram stored on the memory stick :) )

RikF

[Lightstorm]

scarbouc,
(1) Don't think there's a version for the UX.
(2) I completely uninstalled it, since Snapper was the only app using it.

[Lightstorm]

OK everyone. Did more testing. After disabling CodeDiver, it seems my GPS is running flawlessly. I even installed v. 1.27 (I keep it in a separate folder so I can switch back and forth between versions), and that too, was accurate.

One thing I noticed (while trying to keep my eyes on the road), was that the GPS tended to slow down if your route was rebuilt several times. Not sure if that's just me.

Also, I tested 1.27 WITHOUT directions, just watching my arrow on the screen move along. I will try navigation tonight or tomorrow.

Has anyone else disabled/removed CodeDiver and retried?

[ux_lag]

I believe I tried disabling CodeDiver and KeyQuick a while back but with no improvement. Having said that, I did not really put much effort into it (did not even do soft reset or anything). I will try to re-set my GPS to default message rates and disabling CodeDiver when I get a chance.

[Lightstorm]

CodeDiver, I believe, keeps its settings in a different file. If that's the case, I would suggest removing the .prc if possible, just to be on the safe side.

Not sure about other hacks.

[edurio]

Will try to disable/uninstall Codediver, Keyquick, BtToggle and Fonts4OS5 , and play with some GPS settings, and then, do some real tests, with and without vocal instructions.

:-(

Can live without Codediver and BtToggle, but Keyquick and Fonts4OS5 would be a hard hit for my UX50 ussage

Ed

[Lightstorm]

edurio,
I am still using Fonts4OS5 and am running accurately.

[edurio]

What about Keyquick? Are you using it?

Thanks.

Ed

[ux_lag]

I have been running with no CodeDiver and KeyQuick for the past day and although I have not had a chance to test MNav again, I have noticed that my PicselViewer is now significantly faster. Not to mention fewer crashes and problems with keys / jog dial stopping to work. For now I just switched the CD and KQ off rather than uninstalling completely. Oh, well, looks like these two will have to go...

[Lightstorm]

Ed,
I am not using KeyQuick. What does it do? Is it something like McPhling?

[edurio]

Not sure about what McPhling is used for (never used it). KeyQuick just allows you to minimze stylus input, using combinations of keys. You can also push soft-buttons without having to use your stylus, navigate and so on.

For example: if I want to hit "OK" button in a message window, I have defined a rule so that if I hit Ctrl+enter, it will do the same effect thant hitting OK with the stylus.

Ed

[scarbouc]

Seems like turning off codediver MIGHT have done the trick. I don't know ... it was working so well without Navigation - I got anxious and turned on Navigation. Then it seemed to lag again - although not as bad - too hard to tell. I was getting close to home and wasn't driving as fast. The real lag has always been at speed. Maybe we're getting close?!?!?

[graph101]

Where can i download the 1.27b beta? ive been checking the site for updates..

[graph101]

Can somebody please send me the beta 1.27b at
graph101@comcast.net

ive been checking mapopolis.com for any updates but still cant find any.

[Lightstorm]

I've sent you the .prc to your email address. I do not remember the URL. If you send an email to Mapopolis support, they can supply you the URL.

[scarbouc]

don't forget mapopolis pulled the beta and doesn't recommend using it...

[Lightstorm]

scarbouc,
Have you been able to test any further w/turning off CodeDiver?

[scarbouc]

Drove into work today w/ codediver off. No navigation. Seemed to work with little to no delay. I'm going to try naviagation on the way home. Contacted Lamar at Mapopolis to pass on the data. And to see if they had any insight.
Oddly the arrow moving seems to not update smoothly. It jumps - every update I assume...

[Lightstorm]

Does MNav have a smoother "framerate" on other Palm devices? I've seen the same thing, jerky movements, but good accuracy for the most part.

[Lightstorm]

Anyone know what would be the best way to find out what County map to use (for Pennsylvania for instance-where's there's about 40) if you only know the city of your destination?

[scarbouc]

Originally posted by Lightstorm
Anyone know what would be the best way to find out what County map to use (for Pennsylvania for instance-where's there's about 40) if you only know the city of your destination?

The MNav manual / guide has a great description of exactly what you are talking about.

http://64.208.105.215/MapopolisNavigator1.pdf

You can also call up a county map http://64.208.105.215/counties.jsp?s=1074189984625481&amp;p=&amp;q=79912.04458735569&nbsp; - not quite as useful...

&nbsp;

scarbouc

[Lightstorm]

scarbouc,
Thanks for the reply. I think you're speaking of pages 22-23 in the manual. I think that's a good start, but when I tried looking for Chester, PA it didn't give me a county on the map. I'm looking for something, whether a website or small utility, where I can put in the city and/or state and get the county.

Anyone know of something like this?

I've also sent an email to support to see if they know something.

[Lightstorm]

scarbouc,
At first when I tried what you had found, I couldn't find any counties on the PA Major Roads map. However, after zooming out to 10 Miles (instead of 1 Mile), all the counties appeared!

Thanks for pointing this out!

[scarbouc]

Marc
Glad I could help!

[scarbouc]

Here are the results of my tests:

GPS Data off in all the following

Codediver off:
&nbsp; Navigation off:
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Speed 50-70mph
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Lag approx 0.1 mile
&nbsp; Navigation on:
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Speed 50-70mph
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Lag approx 0.2 mile
Codediver on:
&nbsp; Navigation on:
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Speed 50-70mph
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Lag approx 0.2 mile

The last one surprised me.&nbsp; I thought for sure it would jump back up to 0.5 miles.&nbsp; Theory: I didn’t run any software that used codediver, maybe it doesn’t load &amp; therefore affect Mnav until after.&nbsp; I had done several resets sine I turned off codediver so maybe it cleared something up.&nbsp; I’ll try using a program, like Avantgo, where I have codediver stretch the screen and see if that brings back the 0.5 mile delay.

I have a theory based on several things I’ve read.&nbsp; For example the T3 apparently has the capability to run in landscape or portrait.&nbsp; I’ve heard it slows things down since it has to emulate the different mode.&nbsp; I’ve also read that when codediver is disabled it slows down an application called Picsel viewer – even though it is not using Codediver (in fact I heard it will crash if you try).&nbsp; Picsel Viewer (views word, PDF, etc.) has built in portrait / landscape support – looks awesome!

So is it possible that codediver, even though it isn’t being used, takes up processing power?&nbsp; For example anytime I start a program it is redirected to Codediver to see if it is an application that is selected to use Codediver’s stretching.&nbsp; It then allows the software to run but stays running (I know this sounds like multi-processing – which palms aren’t supposed to be able to do..)????

So further conjecture:&nbsp; What exactly did the Mapopolis programmers do to stretch the screen for UX?&nbsp; It is the same software that runs on Non landscape palms so there must be an IF landscape possible THEN stretch.&nbsp; Did they do something similar to codediver?&nbsp; Would this cause the problems?

To test this theory: does anyone have the version of Navigator prior to the UX stretch fix?&nbsp; Could you check it for delay.

Now all this is thrown out the window based on the fact that I heard T2 users have also seen a delay.&nbsp; The T2 doesn’t stretch, right??

scarbouc

[Lightstorm]

Great points, scarbouc.

(1) I guess it could be possible that CodeDiver is using up resources, OR that if you have other possible hacks installed they could be "adding" up to cause the delay.

(2) After going to dinner with the in-laws last night, I've noticed that I DO have a delay, however it is not .1 mile. It's about "a click" behind, meaning, if I pass under an overpass, it takes the GPS one screen refresh of the arrow moving to hit that point. Doesn't affect directions at all, even at high speeds. Have you tried disabling ALL your hacks? I think the only other hack I have running is Fonts for OS5, and that I wouldn't even consider anyway since you change your font and then don't go back to it unless you change again.

(3) As far as the pre-UX version, I'm sure support could send you the .prc so you could test. Hell, I'd test it too! This may lead to more help for them to get this working.

I do have to say, though, that since I stopped CodeDiver, my experience has been consistent all the time, the "lag" never fluctuates anymore.

[scarbouc]

support seems to think it is a BT issue. They are checking into the deatils I sent them and trying to find me an older version of MNAV. I'll shoot it to you when I get it.

To all who read this thread what kind of GPS are you using??

[Lightstorm]

Sweet! Thanks.

I am using the Socket Bluetooth Receiver.

[scarbouc]

Anybody else have a GPS and Mapopolis Navigator?

[cosFFM]

Originally posted by scarbouc
Anybody else have a GPS and Mapopolis Navigator?
yeah. I just got mine - a fortuna clipon bluetooth GPS unit. Only had the chance to use it once and only while driving around in the city. I did not experience a noticable lag and was paying attention to it because I've been following the thread. I still have to test it on the highway driving at higher speed. I'll post the results.

[Unregistered]

I still haven't had the chance to try MNav 1.25 + Socket Bluetooth GPS without "Hacky" aplications. I plan to uninstall everything hacky (say, Keyquick, BtToggle, Fonts4OS5 and Codediver), and plan a route.

I also copied 1.22 to memory stick, and will try both versions, with all the above programs uninstalled, to see if there is something different.

And finally, downloaded Cruxview, and will play with the settings for a while in mentioned conditions.

Will let you know, folks.

Ed

[Lightstorm]

scarbouc,
Did Support ever send you the previous version?

[scarbouc]

Marc
Not yet

[cosFFM]

So, guys, went for another testdrive with Navigator 1.22 and Fortuna Bluetooth GPS. And I can't report any lag.. Went on the highway, too, driving 100 km/h and everything went smooth. My exit was counted down from 1.000 meters and was exact all the way home. I don't have any hacks running. A more or less plain vanilla setup. Have you considered performing a hard reset and starting from scratch..? Just installing Navigator?

[MikeD]

That's what I just did and will test it out soon. You re installed nav 1.22 though right?

[cosFFM]

Originally posted by MikeD
That's what I just did and will test it out soon. You re installed nav 1.22 though right?

Yes, Nav 1.22.

[edurio]

More on the lag issue.....

I did a hard reset, and then copied mapopolis related files from Memory stick to Clie RAM (so, plain vanilla setup...just Aliasext shortcuts and Mapopolis). I used 1.25 beta.

And....guess what? Everything went smooth. No lag, no delay. Everything perfect :eek:

Yesterday, I did another test, just disabling (not unistalling) Codediver (even I don't have a setting for Mapopolis), Keyquick and BtToggle. So, just Fonts4OS5 was working. I got big lag. In fact, the Clié did not realize that I was moving since 10 or 15 seconds after, and something similar happened when I was stopping.

Next test: uninstall Codediver, Keyquick, BtToggle and Fonts4OS5. If it works ok, I will install 1 app each time and test, till I find out which one is causing the lag.

If it still has lag...there must be another app out there, or some garbage left by other program (hope thats not the case, as It will force me to reinstall everything)

Ed

[scarbouc]

Interesting update...

Hi,

Matt just told me that they're going after the speed angle, thinking
that the CPU throttling back after a short time may have something
to do with the lag &amp; drops. He said he'd ride around with it and
see, so I expect I'll have news for you in a day or two.

Just a bulletin,

Lamar @ mapopolis support

[Unregistered]

edurio,
1.25 beta or 1.27?

[edurio]

1.25. I also wanto to try with 1.22 (I have a copy of both versions in MS)

Still haven't had the chance to test 1.25 without hack-kind apps installed (other than hard reset, of course).

I will let you know.

Ed

[Lightstorm]

edurio,
Are you SURE it's 1.25? Or are you just using a version before Mapopolis recently came out with the 1.27 beta? The 1.27 was supposed to correct the 70mph ceiling on the GPS display, but had more lag.

[edurio]

Yes, sure. The splash screen says so (I doublechecked some minutes ago). I have never experienced that 70 mph issue (i haven't drived so fast yet)

Ed

[Lightstorm]

Ed,
Would you mind emailing me the 1.25 Beta .prc file you have? I only have 1.22 and 1.27.

lightstorm@verizon.net

I'd like to try it out with my config. Thanks!

[edurio]

emailed ! :D

Ed

[Lightstorm]

Thanks, Ed. But that's odd. Looks like you sent it over 3 hours ago, yet I haven't received it yet. It's only less than 500K, right?

I even sent myself a test message with the email link I gave above and it was successful.

Would you mind sending again? Thanks!

[edurio]

Looks as if my crappy smpt server is doing weird things again :confused:

I will have to email support people again.

emailed again :rolleyes: (using another SMPT server, as the crappy one isn¡t even accepting the message)

[Lightstorm]

Got it, Ed! Thanks very much. I'll let you know if anything changes with this beta (compared to 1.22 and 1.27)

By the way, I think I've noticed that 1.22 is much more accurate in "tracking" mode, but when I put on navigation, the lag starts.

What about you?

[edurio]

I have also noticed that 1.22 runs faster than 1.25, but haven´t tested under similar conditions yet (after a hard reset).

This week I will have to travel often by car, so will have more chances to test.

Ed

[Lightstorm]

edurio/scarbouc,
Anyone heard anythine new from Lamar @ Mapopolis? Have you guys tested any further?

Last I heard from Lamar they were tackling the processor on the Clie to see if it's the culprit.

I've done a few tests in between but am getting frustrated because now, most of the time, the GPS is unusable. I'm feeling like I wasted $125 on maps that I can't use.

Any other GPS solutions on the market that you all have seen?

[itm]

Just to make a small contribution - I've been trying out Mapopolis (1.22) since I started getting major problems with Mapsonic. I've found no noticeable lag at "around town" speeds (up to 40-50mph). I run BTToggle 2.3 but not CodeDiver.
I'm now wondering why the hell I bothered with Mapsonic!

[Lightstorm]

Hello everyone,
I downloaded the new beta of MNav (1.30b) and it works pretty well, lag-wise.

Only problem is, my bluetooth connection goes away after 3 minutes. Anyone seen this with thier machines?

[CLIEVERT]

Had the same problem using Fortuna Clip on.....UX would power down after 3-5 minutes. Even with power on and cradle keep power on setting. Also had Kepp device on for 1 hr setting too!

[PeteUX]

THis doesnt bode well for the UX! Prety pointless having mapping software if you need to know the way! I am still using my Psion for this and although with a b&w screen it pretty much points you in the right direction. Will there ever be a day when UX users can operate on 1 machine???

[CLIEVERT]

I just had a reply back from Mapopolis to say they were aware of the power down issue and it scheduled to be resolved. I love my UX and Mapopolis is the best GPS map software for Palm. At the moment its useless on the UX. I seriously considering a TT3 if it doesnt get sorted very soon! Does anyone know the heart of the problem is it an UX cpu throttling problem, a bluetooth coms prob or a Mapopolis code prob?

[scarbouc]

Originally posted by MikeD
Here let me ask everyone this... Do you experience as big of a lag if any between 'navigator' mode (with the arrows directing you) or 'regular' gps mode with simply your location moving around. Of course, 'navigator' mode is the most important though.... Anyway, it seemed that the 'regular mode' for me was a bit better at keeping up.

Mike

Lag is only present with Navigator on.&nbsp; Beta version 1.29 somehow fixes the lag but they are up to 1.34.&nbsp; I'm still working with Mapopolis to fix the problem.

MNAV is looking better with a 3-d beta version available!&nbsp; If we could just fix the lag...

[scarbouc]

Originally posted by Lightstorm
Hello everyone,
I downloaded the new beta of MNav (1.30b) and it works pretty well, lag-wise.

Only problem is, my bluetooth connection goes away after 3 minutes. Anyone seen this with thier machines?

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Version 1.29 has no lag either - and doesn't have the power down problem

[scarbouc]

How do I post the beta 1.29 here? Or does someone need to host it? I have it and since it works I would like to make it available. I have the permission of Mapopolis...

Thank you

[graph101]

arent we at 1.34b already?

[scarbouc]

every beta but 1.29 (1.30 has a power problem) has a lag making the product unuseable... reference above

[scarbouc]

new beta version. I'm going to test it and see if it fixes the lag.&nbsp; The more tests we get the better.&nbsp; I use a DeLorme Earthmate w/ bluetooth powerpack&nbsp;

http://64.208.105.215/PalmNavBeta.zip

[scarbouc]

I confirmed that the newest beta...listed above...has no lag in 2D navigation. I will try it in 3D navigation mode tomorrow!!

Looks like they fixed it!!

[aliasx]

Does anyone know if the latest version 1.35 has the option to copy driving directions to memo pad?

[scarbouc]

3D has 0.2 miles off lag in my tests...DeLorme