palm pilot upgrades

[robbyrebb]

I have n610c and i am considering upgrading the internal memory from the 8mgs to 16mg. Has anyone used the website palmpilotupgrade.com? Did your clie come back okay? did you have any problems? I am thinking for the cost $109 that this is worth it be cause I have so many accessories for my 610. If I buy a new clie I would need to buy a new sleigh, keyboard, hot sync set up(have one for travel, home and work).

[DanT]

Since no one anwers, yet, let me bump it up to the top.

BTW, you don't like to use MS? Just for my curiousity, why would you want to spend $109 for another 8MB RAM when you can get a 128MB MS for about $30-40. I got one for $27 including shipping a couple months ago. Launching some apps from MS may be a little bit slow than from RAM, but that's certainly not that big of a deal to wait for 1-2 seconds versus half of a second.

[*YellowRose*]

I've thought of upgrading the Ram on my 760 as well.  There are **STILL** a large number of apps that won't run on the memory stick. 

I hate them, but I HAVE to have them.

[DanT]

Originally posted by *YellowRose*
There are **STILL** a large number of apps that won't run on the memory stick. 

Please give me some examples.

 

[*YellowRose*]

Well, ePocrates is one.

PsychD (Psych Drug app)

I'll get back to you on more, as I've deleted a lot of them.

[*YellowRose*]

My Bills will also not run off the card.

Nor any clock/timer app you want to sound alarms (or should I say none of the ones I've tried will sound alarms if they're on the memory stick. . .)

[*YellowRose*]

The iSilo app cannot be on the card if you want the conduit to install web clippings to the card.(The conduit will not work)

[robbyrebb]

I do have several memory sticks. It is not the same, I use alot of apps that hog memory. I have avantgo and the avantage did not work for hot syncing. There are several apps that wont work or when you transfer back and forth you lose your purchase codes, icons, ect. I would think that is why you see the new clie models with the 16mgs, this would be a more workable ram. I am always at about 7mgs on my clie and have to move applications around when adding new apps. I does force you to remain organized.

[IndyMCSE]

I had my N760 upgraded by palmpilotupgrades.com. They did a wonderful job. I am a big jacksprat user though and there was no warning that you shouldn't use that after the upgrade. The guy flashes a different ROM to your clie so that it will recognize the extra memory. I had to send mine back to him to reflash the ROM because he wouldn't send me a copy of the ROM to flash myself. It has been working wonderfully since then. My wife now uses it since I got my NR and then my NX. She is a nurse and also uses Epocrates. What is PsychD? I may want to install it for her. quick note, I had this done to my N760 a little over a year ago and all is still good. I hope this helps.

[sebring]

I'd think long and hard before I'd put over $100 into adding 8mb of Ram. True an newer device will cost more than $100 but you get so much more.
1) The additional 8mb.
2) Much brighter better saturated screen. (My NR is brighter with richer colors, at minimum brightness, than my N610 at maximum brightness) If you opt for the NR or NX series, you also get substantially more useable screen real estate.
3) Faster processor.
4) Some say faster MS access (I can't verify this)
5) Significantly improved connector. My N610 is a pain to get it to make good enough contact in the cradle to charge or hotsync. I've had no such problem with my NR.

[DanT]

JackSprat/JackFlash may be another option if you need a little bit more space in RAM by removing ROM apps that you don't need. I was able to squeeze 1.5 MB out of the ROM. Price wise it's the same as the 16MB upgrade ($13/MB). You have full control of your Clie. It's never out of your hand and never be on the mercy of someone else's hand.

[*YellowRose*]

Originally posted by IndyMCSE
What is PsychD? I may want to install it for her. quick note, I had this done to my N760 a little over a year ago and all is still good. I hope this helps. http://www.palmgear.com/screenshots/42764.gif

 

 

 

 



It's actually called Psychiactric Drug Therapy.  Available at PalmGear.   $49.95.

[robbyrebb]

I have gone to handango and downloaded the jackflash, its telling me that I can have a bout 700k for $20.00. That is some but not enough ram. I am curious, to those who have the 16mgs, did you max out very quickly? No doubt , it would be nice to have a faster processor, better screen and the more mgs. but as i read in other threads, I see users spending $1000's of dollars. I am a smart shopper, I have to see some thing more.. better os, smaller form, voice activation, bluetooth, more than 16mgs all for an inexpensive cost of $400.00. I do not see it yet. the NX and Nr are $400- 600. and that does not include accessories. My 610c has been great, i do not have any issues with hot sync or connection. i use my ir to get on the internet (with cell phone) and download the cliemail. Its great for travel. My one gripe is the memory. I maxed it out within about a month of use. I am trying to get my money's worth since it is only 18months old. I want my next purchase to shadow my 610c, I do not see this clie yet but I do think that sony is getting there. any other suggestions on how to increase ram??

[sebring]

Originally posted by robbyrebb
I have gone to handango and downloaded the jackflash, its telling me that I can have a bout 700k for $20.00. That is some but not enough ram. I am curious, to those who have the 16mgs, did you max out very quickly? No doubt , it would be nice to have a faster processor, better screen and the more mgs. but as i read in other threads, I see users spending $1000's of dollars. I am a smart shopper, I have to see some thing more.. better os, smaller form, voice activation, bluetooth, more than 16mgs all for an inexpensive cost of $400.00. I do not see it yet. the NX and Nr are $400- 600. and that does not include accessories. My 610c has been great, i do not have any issues with hot sync or connection. i use my ir to get on the internet (with cell phone) and download the cliemail. Its great for travel. My one gripe is the memory. I maxed it out within about a month of use. I am trying to get my money's worth since it is only 18months old. I want my next purchase to shadow my 610c, I do not see this clie yet but I do think that sony is getting there. any other suggestions on how to increase ram??

Have you tried using MSMount (freeware), PiDirect or Powerrun to move read only databases and apps to MS? On my N610, I had several 1MB+ read only databases on MS using MSMount. I ran the app from MS using my launcher (MegaLauncher).

[yorrick]

Using VFS managers like PowerRun, PiDirect or MSMount will be defeated by the fact that this guy is running low on RAM.
As a general rule, leave at least 1Mb in free RAM so the Palm can run stuff in scratch memory or to use VFS managers.

Upgrading the RAM is the fastest way of having spare memory to play with. Having a larger MS is just increasing the storage capacity of the PDA but doesn't give you more room to play with in RAM.

Personally, I don't mind seeing a PDA that has 64Mb to play around with. RAM and non-volatile RAM these days are reasonably cheap (though not as cheap as MS) but they prove to be very useful.

[DanT]

Unlike PowerRUN (or MSMount), PiDirectII can be used with fairly low free RAM. I use it to open StreetFinder map as big as 1.5 MB with free RAM as low as 400 KB.

[Unregistered]

Originally posted by *YellowRose*
The iSilo app cannot be on the card if you want the conduit to install web clippings to the card.(The conduit will not work)

You just have to install Launcher X. LX allows you to create "Shortcut" files that serve several purposes. The first is to create an icon to directly link to a file stored on your memory card. The second is to allow programs stored on your memory card to properly HotSync with the HotSync Manager. The third is to allow you to map programs stored on your memory card to any of the hardware buttons on the front of your PDA. These files are also called "Stub" files. (see article at http://www.launchplug.com/Tips_LX.html)

cuthlan@gmx.at

[DanT]

Originally posted by robbyrebb
I have gone to handango and downloaded the jackflash, its telling me that I can have a bout 700k for $20.00. That is some but not enough ram.

You may be able to free up more than 700k ROM.  Tanker Bo's page has some primers on the JackFlash/JackSprat, here: http://www.tankerbob.com/palm/

There are two advantages for putting the apps in Flash ROM.  One, they will survive a hard reset.  Two, some apps, that conflict with backup app (i.e., MSBackup, BackupBuddy VFS, etc.), can be put in FlashROM, where the backup app wouldn't recognize them.  Therefore, you'll avoid crashing your system upon restoring your RAM from MS. 

[breakfastchef]

<<Using VFS managers like PowerRun, PiDirect or MSMount will be defeated by the fact that this guy is running low on RAM.
As a general rule, leave at least 1Mb in free RAM so the Palm can run stuff in scratch memory or to use VFS managers. >>

How do you figure? PiDirect II is under $30 and will certainly free up RAM. You can move apps and certain databses to MS. Unlike PowerRun & MS Mount, PiDirect is more like a memory manager and fools the Clie into thinking what is stored in /Palm/PiDirectr is in RAM. I run with 1.5-2 M free on an N610 using PiDirect II. It is a lifesaver for me.
 
Larry

[robbyrebb]

I have tried the launcher X. I am having problems with avantgo, it does not want to launch from the Palm/Launch file. When I move the file to memory card, it does not show up on my applications menu, therefore I cannot drag and create the short cut? It shows up in my directory under the program files. Isnt this where it should be? My wordsmith is set up that way and seems to run fine. What am I doing wrong? Would you only create short cuts for those applications that have a conduit/hot sync function? what is the difference between this app and Pidirect? Is it a matter of preference or ease of use for these types of applications?

[*YellowRose*]

Originally posted by robbyrebb
I have tried the launcher X. I am having problems with avantgo, it does not want to launch from the Palm/Launch file. When I move the file to memory card, it does not show up on my applications menu, therefore I cannot drag and create the short cut? It shows up in my directory under the program files. Isnt this where it should be? My wordsmith is set up that way and seems to run fine. What am I doing wrong? Would you only create short cuts for those applications that have a conduit/hot sync function? what is the difference between this app and Pidirect? Is it a matter of preference or ease of use for these types of applications? Avantgo cannot be run from your card unless you use Avantage or this PowerRun trick: http://www.palminfocenter.com/view_story.asp?ID=2218

[robbyrebb]

I finally have the avantgo working on launcher x. This is a great program. I have moved my agendus, avantgo, wordsmith, cliemail, acid image to ms and they all hot sync or launch from the ms. they all work great. This has freed up alot of memory up to 25% free, use to be at 10%. Can you move launcher X to ms? its not listed in the app itself. It is running at close 600k, kinda a memory hog of its own.

[*YellowRose*]

Originally posted by robbyrebb
Can you move launcher X to ms? its not listed in the app itself. It is running at close 600k, kinda a memory hog of its own. NO, if you want to use it as your main launcher, it cannot be on the memory stick.   Most launchers are memory hogs.

[robbyrebb]

I read that pidirect II can move launche x to ms. Are you familiar with that app. I have just down loaded the app. It does not look so easy to understand. Should I run so many of these types of launcher apps?

[*YellowRose*]

Originally posted by robbyrebb
I read that pidirect II can move launche x to ms. Are you familiar with that app. I have just down loaded the app. It does not look so easy to understand. Should I run so many of these types of launcher apps? Launcher X (or any launcher, for that matter) should not be run with PiDirect, PowerRun or any app of that type if you intend to use it as your main launcher.

[phil ng]

btw.. if you install more ram, the CPU can only be overclocked to 44mhz or so.

[Unregistered]

Only over clock to 44mhz??? That's a disapointment. Would you happen to know the reason? I think it still won't stop me from upgrading to 32MB RAM.

I'm runing LexiCom from the MS; and I need to use Afterburner to over clok it to 55mhz. It is quite snappy now. If I could put it all in RAM; it will work very snappy. 32MB RAM might just be enough room for all my dictionaries to work in RAM and feel snappy without Afterburner.

If I could have a bright screen without dust on my N760 ; that would almost be *MY* perfect PDA.

(TG50 is under consideration; but 11MB effective RAM just might not cut it for my purpose.)

[yorrick]

To overclock a 33Mhz device to 45Mhz is impressive if you think in terms of percentage increase. Running at 45Mhz is 150% increase.

With higher clock frequency CPUs, I'd doubt you'd be able to extract that type of overclock gain. On a 66Mhz CPU, it would be 99Mhz (again 150%).

If you feel that overclocking to 45Mhz is "disappointing", I think the only way to gain any advantage is to move to an ARM device (ie. OS5)! :)

[breakfastchef]

You can run launchers from MS with PiDirect II. But think about it. What happens when you remove the MS. Yep. No more launcher. Leave it in RAM.

Larry

[pianoman41]

I noticed as of March 5, 2003, palmpilotupgrades.com is now doing 32M upgrades on some N-series models, for the same price as the old 16M upgrade ($110). That would seem worth it if I plan on hanging on to my N760 for a another year or two (and I do).

[wiggd]

I'll be sending mine off in the next few days to get mine upgrade to 32mb and 4mb of additional rom