no OS when you buy T675C?

[MadBob]

I just don't get it, why is there no backup OS on the CD when I buy a T675C? it is a bit odd surely they don't expect me to buy a full install version if I trash my Clie OS?

I want the option to restore everyhting back to Default if only for resale purposes later on, I didn't back it up before I messed about with it.

[OcellNuri]

Are you talking about the files in flashROM? If you used JackSprat to delete files from your ROM then it should have reminded you, many times, to make a backup of your ROM. You can use this backup to restore your ROM to the original condition.

On the other hand, are you just talking about installing stuff in RAM? If you have only installed programs, put in information, changed settings, and stuff like that, then getting it back to starting condition is very easy. !This will erase all of your data! Hold down the powerbutton and press the reset button on the back of the unit. When the PalmOS logo shows on the screen let go of the power button. It will ask you to press up to confirm the hard reset. When it is done booting up everything will be just like the day you got it.

[exiii]

The OS is in ROM. Everything reverts when you do a hard reset - like a new clean device.

[MadBob]

yeah I am talking about ROM

I have been playing with Jacksprat :) I did a hotsync like it said but that was after I had already deleted other things, and I am not too sure I got it right,

also as I cannot find an emulator that will run my own ROM backup (T675C) I cannot test it to see what is in there, and I don't want to restore it to test it in case it isn't right, I just thought that they could have put a copy of the ROM (full OS) on the CD after all I paid for it.

oh and please don't tell me to go to Sony for the Emulator, registered on there twice last week they wont accept me, with genuine Address email (not a hotmail type provider) etc.

[nXt]

It's your responsibility when using JackSprat to make all the appropriate ROM backups. It yells at you several Times.
If after you deleted stuff and didn't make a backup, then it's your fault. and You're out of luck (unless you can find somebody to email you the jacksprat rom backup)

As for the emulator, you need to sign up with Sony Clie Developers, and You can download the emu that will work with the Clie ROMs.... btw, did you read the directions on how to apply? You do have to FAX things to them.

There's no reason for Sony/Palm/Handspring/WHoever makes PalmOS devices. to put the ROM onto a cd or whatever, because you were not meant to modify to ROM anyways.

Anyways since you have some kind of rom backup, why not just restore it and see? better than waiting here asking for it.

[MadBob]

you know when I get a reply that is so obviously a waste of time for the person who typed it, I begin to wonder if you should get a life,

how about reading the post and if you cannot give any useful input, just move on to the next etc.

Anyways since you have some kind of rom backup, why not just restore it and see? better than waiting here asking for it.

it has always been my understanding that forums (forii?) are generally set up by / for the help of the people who become members, so tell you what, next time I need help instead of asking for some, I will just read your mind and not bother posting,

how does that sound?

I cannot understand your position of total non help, if there were something I could do for a poster (on any forum I subscribe to) I would just help without little snide lectures about how it is my fault, blah blah blah,

boy you must be a bundle of fun at home!

it is a not too difficult request, I simply want to be able to open my own ROM backed up from my own newly bought Clie, to make sure it is OK before I start looking round for a ROM that was backed up as new in a T675C, I am not asking for anyone to send me a ROM (although I reserve the stupidity to do so at a later date) :) just a bit of help to a PC user of 20 years that knows the best way to learn is to ask questions.

[OcellNuri]

MadBob...

One thing you can do is grab the programs you deleted out of the ROM of another Clie and put them back in with JackFlash. Take a memory stick loaded with Filez into Best Buy or Circuit City and use it to copy the ROM programs onto the MS. Then load them back into your ROM on your unit, and you will have something very close to a factory spec ROM. If you need a step-by-step on using Filez to do this just let us know.

[Jake K]

Madbob,

If you recently bought your Clie, which you did say it was new, then why not take it back and say it's broken? It may be easier then hassling with the rom.

[MadBob]

I found an Emu that works with (a friends) T625c dump bought from the same place, but refuses to accept my ROM with the error.

'The ROM you've chosen has an invalid checksum .

The most common reason for an invalid checksum has been from the use of utility programs that modify the contents of the ROM without also upadting it's internal checksum.

Palm Computing does not support the use of this ROM, Use it with caution.'

then I load it and it crashes the Emu!

so I am certainly not going to be reloading this ROM into my Clie until I can get further information or a way to reset the checksum.

I am in the UK and while you are testing an electronic device, the assistants stand so close you can feel their stubble (particularly nasty when it is a female assistant) they seem to automatically see you as a thief! the security cables that hold the device down are usually able to stretch about 1ft making you stand in a very uncomfortable position to test it out.

however it is a very reasonable idea to try out as a last resort.

oh and the crash error on the Emu is.

'The current application (unknown version) just changed the emulated programcounter to 0x10000338. this address is invalid because it is neither ROM nor RAM'

@Jake K

the Clie is working but as I am one of lifes natural meddlers, I would like to have the security blanket of a total virgin backup, on a PC I would have all the OS installation software, it just surprised me that you get no backup, after all what harm for Sony if they put a dump of the OS on the CD? its not like you can't get access to one yourself,

I made a simple noobie error and I am self flagellating as I type, whiptkish (ouch) whiptkish (arghh)

and if I take it back to the shop I would be more likely to explain my mistake and throw myself on the mercy of the store, than to do it in a sneaky way.

[exiii]

Well as opposed as you are to nXt's comments, he makes some valid points.

It was never intended that you modify the ROM of your Clie. Doing so voids any warranty. Why would Sony include a ROM mirror on the disk the necessity to use it voids the products warranty? No need to be angry at them for your snafu.

I'm not saying that you shouldn't use Jackflash, just that you do so at your own risk.

A lot of people here take for granted the power of these jackflash/jacksprat programs, and end up destroying their devices. It sounds like yours works, but you wouldn't have been the first one here with a Sony branded paperweight.

Best of luck.

[MadBob]

Right with Filez, my guess after a quick look is that I copy filez.prc to my MS into MS Files, then use MS Gate to copy this onto new the Clie's RAM, whoops that didn't work I get Fatal Exception and had to hard reset!

try again!

copy Filez to my empty stick, then use MS Gate to move Filez to RAM on th new Clie, run Filez, select 'view and edit files' check ROM box at bottom, top menu > select > select all, then copy to external card? not forgetting to delete Filez off the new clie!

but what about the File Attributes when copying them back onto my ROM?

and also what about the checksum of the ROM?

@exiii

I agree and nowhere in this post do I blame Jacksprat and I am in no way whining about my predicament, it is how I am, I buy something and take it apart always have always will, started at an early age with my dads Hi-Fi :) if trash it totally and have to buy another then so what? its money thats all not life or death,

I read Jacksprat very carefully and did a back up, it has got to the point where not only can I no longer remember what I did (it was 3 in the morning I was very tired) but no longer give a toss :) I think what i did was delete some apps and stuff off there using the built in file manager, then started JS and backed up then deleted things in ROM, but I sort of lost the plot a while due to over excitement and lack of sleep / food and way too much caffine,

I also did a back up of just the rom using SyncWizard and this is the one that the Emulator throws a wobble at, and as SW didn't actually alter my ROM and JS did I can only assume that it didn't set the Checksum.

I installed Jacksafe as well and made sure not to delete anything it said not to, this is why it is still running, I am mainly pissed off that there is no proper OS install,

OEMs that say this invalidates your warranty are as bad as places like PC world that won't give you an installation CD and tell you it is a restore volume on the hard drive, really useful in the case of a drive getting wiped out, and the main reason why I always avoid such cowboy firms (well apart from their staff not knowing their arse from their elbow) and not even mentioning the price hikes and rip off upgrades (don't get me going) :)

oh ond i wonder why my DragonBall SuperVZ is runnig at 51mhz and not 66?

oh bollocks to this thread I am just going to restore using JackSprat and to hell with it :) there may be more to follow.......

[Chatbox]

Just you're right, it's only money...So save yourself and ourself some time, just go and mess with it, if it ****s up, just go and buy another one. Don't bother coming here and asking questions...it's only money.

[DanT]

FileZ would work in MS if you put it in Palm/Launcher directory. You'll see it in the "external card" category. I put FileZ in MS and launch it from there w/o any problem. It's pretty handy to move ROM/RAM files from any Clie to MS, or move files from one directory to another in the MS.

Unlike FileZ, MSGate would not let you mess around with ROM apps. You'll get access inhibit garbage message. I ditched MSGate with JackSprat a long time ago. FileZ should be able to do everything and more of what MSGate can.

If you are able to get the ROM back, besure to back it up to several places.  I have it stored in MS and PC harddrive just in case I lose one or one gets corrupted.  One of these days I'll burn it into CD too.  I made stupid mistakes a few times with JackSprat and was able to restore the ROM back every time w/o any problem.Tanker Bob's Page (http://www.tankerbob.com/palm/) has pretty good primer on JackSprat/JackFlash.

[nig]

I agree, it wouldn't hurt Sony to include the full ROM on the CD.
Surely they must realise that people are likely to play around with them. Luckily I have had no probs after using Jacksprat. I originally just wanted to get rid of that useless mail app but ended up getting rid of the other languages as well as some other unused stuff.

[MadBob]

You trying to tell me you consider it to be more than money? wait till you've been in a serious life threatening situation and then watch you attitude to money / property completely alter afterwards, I am not saying that I have loads of dosh (quite the opposite) I just don't break something and sit around crying, I am an ever optimist.

and don't take that tone of text with me young man! why I oughtta .... any more lip from you and its detention on saturday morning.

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Right I did a full restore with Jacksprat and it all 'seems' to be back to factory default, I say seems as I can't really remember what was there in the first place :)

one thing puzzling me though is some of the things I thought I had deleted before finding Jacksprat seem to be restored, so would I be right in thinking that if you delete the default programs stored in RAM (demos etc.) they are restored after a Hard reset because they are backed up in ROM?

antway I have 25 icons back (is this the right amount?) so I assume that the rest of the files in the background are there too,

anyway back to playing with Filez now :) oh and I will be burning my ROM to CD and sticking it in the box.

oh and P.S. @Chatbox same reply to you as I gave to nxt .....

[DanT]

If you're fully restored your ROM to OEM spec, there should be very little free flashROM left in your device.

When it comes to playing around with FileZ, the only FileZ attributes that I dare to mess around with is the "Hidden" option. It is a cool option for hiding RAM apps. Some apps, like BackupBuddy VFS has two of the same icons, one in RAM and one in MS. The one in MS is necessary for restoring your RAM from MS after a hard reset. The one in RAM is necessary for doing automatic schedule RAM backup to MS. I do this daily at mid night. Hiding the one in RAM keeps clutter off my screen.

[Unregistered]

Just reading through some forums that came up in a search result and noticed your signature, very funny, fantastic comparison! Thanks for the laugh!

[hansschmucker]

Originally posted by MadBob
I found an Emu that works with (a friends) T625c dump bought from the same place, but refuses to accept my ROM with the error.

'The ROM you've chosen has an invalid checksum .

then I load it and it crashes the Emu!


Just a side note: The crash has nothing to do with the checksum! The virtual system POSE emulates doesn't care about checksum values, so if it crashes you're in trouble kid, since there's really something broken, not just the checksum!

[DanT]

Originally posted by Unregistered
Just reading through some forums that came up in a search result and noticed your signature, very funny, fantastic comparison! Thanks for the laugh!

:)

[Unregistered]

If someone has rom for t615c, please send it to me, help.
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