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Was that my new NX only has an available 11mb of RAM when it is supposed to have 16mb. I know none are perfectly on target, but to be 31% short in RAM seems extreme to me. Any comments?
Thanks:)
jmg_NX21
02-14-2003, 12:14 PM
Some of us got *flamed* for realizing this upon using the NX =/
Somehow required by the system...
Therefore an 128MS: An invaluable add on...
Originally posted by jmg_NX21
Some of us got *flamed* for realizing this upon using the NX =/
Somehow required by the system...
Therefore an 128MS: An invaluable add on...
So you can lie about your product's features with a 31% margin of error? This isn't right.
I do have a 128 mb though.
click
02-14-2003, 12:25 PM
Originally posted by Tixx
So you can lie about your product's features with a 31% margin of error? This isn't right.
I do have a 128 mb though.
OUCH, talk about feeling betrayed.
Your right, 31% margin of error is a lttle much to ask for.
I wish I could get away with that when I give my boss estimates on projects.
Originally posted by click
OUCH, talk about feeling betrayed.
Your right, 31% margin of error is a lttle much to ask for.
I wish I could get away with that when I give my boss estimates on projects.
Or maybe I could raise my pay by 31%:) I am calling sony on this one as this is false advertising.
click
02-14-2003, 12:31 PM
I'm glad payroll doesn't make that kind of error in my pay check.
Unless of course its in my favor.
Best of luck with sony anywho.
I will say. when I had trouble with my battery they didn't even flinch. They took care of it.
Originally posted by click
I'm glad payroll doesn't make that kind of error in my pay check.
Unless of course its in my favor.
Best of luck with sony anywho.
I will say. when I had trouble with my battery they didn't even flinch. They took care of it.
Thanks:)
OcellNuri
02-14-2003, 12:51 PM
There is a note in the specs for the NX that a portion of the RAM is reserved for OS memory. I can't remember whether they give an exact amount or not, but they did indicated that the full 16meg was not free. It's not great.. but maybe my signature can brighten up the situation...
mashoutposse
02-14-2003, 01:06 PM
4MB of RAM is dedicated to the 'dynamic heap.' Think of this space as similar to the RAM on your computer -- it allows the NX to run bigger, better, and more complex applications. For example, the full-featured NetFront internet browser is possible on the NX because of this very reason (try running it on a 768k Tungsten with POSE - it's unusable!).
That 4MB will future-proof your CLIE, making it much more likely to run the more advanced software to come (possibly the more complex OS6 stuff, as well).
Even though you can't immediately use it as storage, it is still serving a very valuable role, and thus Sony is well within their right to advertise 16MB (although they note the 11MB useable space in their descriptions).
mashoutposse
02-14-2003, 01:10 PM
This is what Sony wrote for the NX70V specs on Sonystyle.com:
"• Memory
16 MB RAM*6
*6 Actual available space is 11 MB. (A portion is used for data management functions)"
jwrogers
02-14-2003, 02:32 PM
Just out of curiosity, how much RAM does your PC have?
OcellNuri
02-14-2003, 02:48 PM
I'm running 512meg right.. havn't had a chance to upgrade.
click
02-14-2003, 02:54 PM
Originally posted by mashoutposse
This is what Sony wrote for the NX70V specs on Sonystyle.com:
"• Memory
16 MB RAM*6
*6 Actual available space is 11 MB. (A portion is used for data management functions)"
whoa, never noticed that before.
I've checked the specs when I was trying to decide about getting an NX. Never saw that.
It does explain a lot. But it does seem to be quite a bit allocated too.
So what's the spec on the NZ?
cbulock
02-14-2003, 03:04 PM
Originally posted by click
So what's the spec on the NZ?
The NZ has the same specs
jwrogers
02-14-2003, 03:11 PM
Originally posted by OcellNuri
I'm running 512meg right.. havn't had a chance to upgrade.
Now go into task manager and see how much of that RAM you have available. What?!!!!???!!! It's not 512???? You mean your computer company sold you a computer with 512MB of RAM and when you try to use it some of it is taken up by the system and other running processes?????? You've got to be kidding me! This is a disgrace!! We should file a class-action lawsuit! All computer companies are screwing us!
:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
jkunk
02-14-2003, 04:00 PM
Originally posted by jwrogers
Now go into task manager and see how much of that RAM you have available. What?!!!!???!!! It's not 512???? You mean your computer company sold you a computer with 512MB of RAM and when you try to use it some of it is taken up by the system and other running processes?????? You've got to be kidding me! This is a disgrace!! We should file a class-action lawsuit! All computer companies are screwing us!
:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
Well, that's not exactly a fair comparison, is it? ;)
On a technical level, your comparison is on target, of course. But the fact is before the NX series, the amount of advertised RAM on Palm PDA's was always very close to the amount of useable RAM, within a few hundred k. A difference of 5 MB's was unheard of. So, I think the casual user who picks up an NX at Best Buy or wherever would be understandably surprised and upset to find they only have 11 MB of available RAM on their shiny new 16 MB PDA. Sure, those of us who frequent places like ClieSource, the PDA Buyer's Guide, etc. knew what we were getting, but we're in the minority. Most places truly just advertise the NX Clie's as having 16 MB of RAM and leave it at that, and Sony isn't exactly making the discrepency easy for the casual user to spot.
Additionally, on computers RAM is not the determining factor for the number of programs you can install on your computer, while it is on PDA's. Even further, when a program says it requires, say, 256 MB of RAM to run on your desktop, as long as you have that 256 MB installed you should be fine, since they take into account the OS's use of your RAM for it's own purposes. They don't mean that you need 256 MB free.
Let's face it... 5 MB is a lot of space on a Palm. That's at least 10 applications worth of memory, and ten BIG apps at that. It's five fairly large e-books. It's several maps, a ton of digital images, and an enormous number of word processing documents.
While I'm not upset since I knew about the 5 MB difference ahead of time and was able to more than make up for it with an extremely cheap 16 MB memory stick which is nearly filled with apps and docs (not to mention my 128 MB sticks for MP3's and such), I don't blame people who were unaware of the "missing" 5 MB's for being upset.
Unregistered
02-14-2003, 06:48 PM
I still considering getting an iQue 3600, but I don't want to have to start over with getting new accesories. I have many accesories an items using the Sony T connector and having to start over would be a pain.
n2ifp
02-14-2003, 07:52 PM
Originally posted by click
whoa, never noticed that before.
I've checked the specs when I was trying to decide about getting an NX. Never saw that.
It does explain a lot. But it does seem to be quite a bit allocated too.
So what's the spec on the NZ?
It's the same as the NX 11mb.
n2ifp
02-14-2003, 08:00 PM
Originally posted by jkunk
Well, that's not exactly a fair comparison, is it? ;)
On a technical level, your comparison is on target, of course. But the fact is before the NX series, the amount of advertised RAM on Palm PDA's was always very close to the amount of useable RAM, within a few hundred k. A difference of 5 MB's was unheard of. So, I think the casual user who picks up an NX at Best Buy or wherever would be understandably surprised and upset to find they only have 11 MB of available RAM on their shiny new 16 MB PDA. Sure, those of us who frequent places like ClieSource, the PDA Buyer's Guide, etc. knew what we were getting, but we're in the minority. Most places truly just advertise the NX Clie's as having 16 MB of RAM and leave it at that, and Sony isn't exactly making the discrepency easy for the casual user to spot.
Additionally, on computers RAM is not the determining factor for the number of programs you can install on your computer, while it is on PDA's. Even further, when a program says it requires, say, 256 MB of RAM to run on your desktop, as long as you have that 256 MB installed you should be fine, since they take into account the OS's use of your RAM for it's own purposes. They don't mean that you need 256 MB free.
Let's face it... 5 MB is a lot of space on a Palm. That's at least 10 applications worth of memory, and ten BIG apps at that. It's five fairly large e-books. It's several maps, a ton of digital images, and an enormous number of word processing documents.
While I'm not upset since I knew about the 5 MB difference ahead of time and was able to more than make up for it with an extremely cheap 16 MB memory stick which is nearly filled with apps and docs (not to mention my 128 MB sticks for MP3's and such), I don't blame people who were unaware of the "missing" 5 MB's for being upset.
I was very much aware when I puchased mine, but I don't defend it. By the time my VAIO XP desktop machine boots up, it already has consumed 200mb.
When I tried to up my memory to one gig, then I started getting low resource warnings, I guess one just can't win:)!
OcellNuri
02-14-2003, 08:08 PM
The computer / PDA analogy kinda works, but it's not dead on.
If we really want to look at the two and how they relate to each other, we have to factor in the fact that a PC has a hard drive. The 11meg of free RAM in the NX/NZ is like the 80 gig hard drive in my PC. The 5meg of heap memory in the RAM of the NX/NZ is much like my 512meg of RAM on my PC. This isn't a fair comparison either though, because PCs and Palms behave in very different ways when it comes to memory management.
I had no idea that it was working more similar to a PC now. Thanks for the info:)
cbulock
02-14-2003, 11:48 PM
The PC anaglogy is a pretty good one. Knowing the way the 5MB is used, I am very happy with the way it is set up. I can always add MS storage to help with storage needs. But you can't adjust the heap size, so it's nice that it is kinda large.
(I sure wouldn't complain if I had more RAM though!:D )
mashoutposse
02-15-2003, 08:03 AM
Soon, when most apps are designed to run off the Memory Stick, the 11MB RAM will cease to be an issue. Heck, for me, it's not an issue now and I have nearly 80 apps!
Tip: Go buy PowerRun 1.2. It allows you to run most apps off of your Memory Stick. As stated previously, I have ~80 apps -- and 7.5MB of RAM free. Click here to get it. (http://www.palmgear.com/software/showsoftware.cfm?sid=96846820030131075222&prodID=15870)
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