Palm OS 6 release on 29.12.2003 ...

[orol]

.. so what do you think, will be palm os 6 really released in time ?

I haven't heard any news regarding palm os 6 since the munich palmsource conference back in september. there is no buzz, no leaked pictures, or any other evidence related to the palm os 6 release. ..

I'm a little pesimistic that palmsource will actually make it :-/

what do you think?

p.s. which clie is most likely to be the hottest candidate beeing upgradeable to the new os .. if any ?

my personal guess, UX50, which was, imho, designed with this upgrade in mind (a hell lot of nand flash available)

but I admit in this I'm maybe way too optimistic since sony has veeeery bad track record regarding upgrades ...

the other palm os pda might be the T3 and TC, none of other devices (maybe except for NX80, but I don't thing sony will provide upgrade for NX) has so much flash...

[Ultra SJ22]

No... don't think they will release it just yet. even if it is ready, they will probably hold on to it to mke money off of older PDA's
OS4/5. And I think new Clies and Palms will come out with palm os 6. But nowehere in the NEAR future.

[orol]

ultra sj22: I hope you are not right. I desperately need multitasking on my UX50. with hp 4310 felt the last "problem" I had with PPC which was PDA with ingrated thumboard and dual wireless. I'd trade up my UX50 for UX60 in a second if there was UX60 with OS6 _and_ multitasking. I feel very very limited by the os5. eventhough it's a great OS and I love it and with little help of keyquick I could manage some of the "multitasking" feeling. but hell I need real multitaking ..

I'm on the palm os boat 4 years .. and to bew really honest except for the better screen resolution it's the same OS ..

[yr3698]

orol, didnt know you upgraded to a ux. well well well. Regarding the OS6, i thought someone said that a new clie was comin in jan or something like that...
Regardless, i still think that new palms/clies will be comin out in jan/feb, and theres gonna be a maaaaaad rush to get em ;)

[orol]

yr3698: yep, I ordered it over month ago but got it just 2 weeks ago.. shipping from US to europe takes ages
you could notice I'm not that frequent poster in the TG50 forum :-)

btw. so far no problems with my UX50 eventhough it was second hand :-) I really love it :-)

[BMEngineer]

Yah i said that new Clie will be either announced or release on Jan of Feb. If OS6 does not come on time, new sets will be most probably still OS5.
I would like to see upgrade for the NX series.

[Ultra SJ22]

WOW you guys want OS6 for multitasking.....
I did not like that about PPC and that is why I chose palm OS4 (among other reasons...)
But... from experince, I think that they will hold back till later than jan/feb. Im not hoping it, I just think they will...

I guess I should wait for a OS6 clie instead of buying a UX50/40 huh???

[Ultra SJ22]

One more thing...

THERE ARE LEAKED PICTURES....:)

Just so you know....

I know this is nughty but on P2P I have seen OS5 to OS6 "early releases" Im not saying to do it, im just saying its there.
I don't have P2P anymore... :o

[BMEngineer]

Originally posted by Ultra SJ22
WOW you guys want OS6 for multitasking.....
I did not like that about PPC and that is why I chose palm OS4 (among other reasons...)
But... from experince, I think that they will hold back till later than jan/feb. Im not hoping it, I just think they will...

I guess I should wait for a OS6 clie instead of buying a UX50/40 huh???

It just depends on whether if you have the patience, especially when the date of release of OS6 is not even fixed yet. UX is calling you.......

[orol]

BMEngineer: actually the date was fixed on 29.12.2003 by the CEO of palm source nagel... that's the whole point

[BMEngineer]

Who knows it might be delayed again....

[yr3698]

as long as OS6 can compete with WM2k4, im still interested in palm (NOT sony)

[jjsahagun]

What apps will you be using while multitasking?
So far I have not think of one that I could be running in the background.

[Bionic Antboy]

jjsahagun: on Multitasking - I'd love to be able to access the web (or enter Datebook/Phonebook info or check email or play a game) while an FTP program is working in the background and maybe even a minimized IM app. That's one example. I can think of tons more. :D

The date in question is the day that PalmSource releases the OS to developers, not consumers. :)

I imagine that sometime in late January/early February we'll probably see some OS 6 device announcements, with actual products coming out the usual month-6 weeks after announcement.

In the end, that means I figure it'll be some time in late March/early April for actual devices to be out.

My biggest concern with OS 6 is it's backward compatibility. So far the Palm OS has been pretty good overall for compatibility issues. No one is perfect, but they've done a good job, and I hope it stays the same way. At the same time, it sounds as if OS 6 is going to be a large leap in functionality (moreso than OS 4 to OS 5). How much this "breaks" remains to be seen.

In the near future, I think it'll be a safe investment to get an OS 5 device like the UX or T3, but buying a new OS 4 device would be kind of pointless, considering how cheap some of the more basic OS 5 devices are (thinking of T|E and TJ25/35 - despite some manufactuing problems).

[abosco]

PalmSource will make the release before the end of the year. February will be the release of the OS 6 SDK because of the developer conference, I believe. The first OS 6 machines should start shipping in March. Dec 29 is the date OS 6 goes golden master and sends it to licensees like palmOne and Sony. Nothing will change for us on that date.

No... don't think they will release it just yet. even if it is ready, they will probably hold on to it to mke money off of older PDA's
OS4/5. And I think new Clies and Palms will come out with palm os 6. But nowehere in the NEAR future.Holiday sales are over then. What exactly would they be holding on to by having a GM OS and not giving it to OEM's? Nothing but bad PR and loss of sales from signs of a weak company. They'll make the date. No question about it.

Yah i said that new Clie will be either announced or release on Jan of Feb. If OS6 does not come on time, new sets will be most probably still OS5.
I would like to see upgrade for the NX series.Sony most likely will not issue an OS update, but rather a new model once it's finished. OS 5 models took almost five months to begin shipping after the OS went GM. palmOne would send an upgrade to all T|T, T|T2, T|T3, and T|C owners if they understood the importance of it. OS 6 was made to fit in the 4 MB ROM in the T|T, and the wide user base of these models will assuredly generate enough revenue to make the update profitable with a slight charge for the downloadable ROM flash.

WOW you guys want OS6 for multitasking.....
I did not like that about PPC and that is why I chose palm OS4 (among other reasons...)
But... from experince, I think that they will hold back till later than jan/feb. Im not hoping it, I just think they will...Experience from what? They won't hold it back. I want OS 6 for its efficient style of multitasking (hopefully). This release is huge. If multitasking is implemented properly (meaning less overhead than PPC), it'll be a huge hit.

THERE ARE LEAKED PICTURES....
Just so you know....
I know this is nughty but on P2P I have seen OS5 to OS6 "early releases" Im not saying to do it, im just saying its there.
I don't have P2P anymore... BS. You're downloading a virus.

What apps will you be using while multitasking?
So far I have not think of one that I could be running in the background.Email, IM, and a web browser. Enter NetFront, open the ClieSource main page, and in the middle of download the page, go to your datebook. When you switch back to NetFront, your position won't be lost (task switching), but you'll have to resume downloading, whereas multitasking allows you to download that page in the background of your datebook, and when you switch back, it's finished downloading and fully displayed.

Last point- backwards compatibility. OS 6 will work with PACE (OS 4 emu), as well as compatibility with OS 5 (DragonBall + ARMlet code) applications, plus the ability for new, 100% native ARM code. The native ARM code will only work on OS 6 devices.

All of our questions should be answered in two weeks' time.

[Lupin Addams]

The *big* question...

Will there be any way to upgrade existing OS5 Cies to OS6 (something to put in Flash maybe?). Other threads have muttered that this is theoretically possible... any views on the feasability/advisability of this?

[Spiral]

It is possible as long as your device has Flash rom.

I would guess NX80/73 have a good chance of being upgraded.

UX40/50 - maybe not because of propriety memory structure and processor.
TJ - middle range model, doubt it, but it has a chance.
TG - only some models have flash rom, I doubt they would allow only a few peopel to upgrade.
NX60/70 - Doubt it, it's old, more than a year old, came out before the TG, unlikely they'll give it to nx70 and not TG users.

[Lupin Addams]

I'm on NX73 so I'll keep my tentacles crossed and also make sure the whole FlashROM isn't stuffed to the gills due to use of Jackflash <g>.

[orol]

Originally posted by Spiral
It is possible as long as your device has Flash rom.
I would guess NX80/73 have a good chance of being upgraded.

my guess is just NX80, NX73/U will be left out

UX40/50 - maybe not because of propriety memory structure and processor.

I'd say UX is the only hot candidate of all clies
memory structure isn't proprietary
it's just perfect for OS upgrades
they have virtually 64 of nand flash available
none of present PDAs (well except for toshiba e800) has so much of it.
the only thing is we will have to send the unit to sony, pay sony hefty $50-75

TJ - middle range model, doubt it, but it has a chance.

no way

TG - only some models have flash rom, I doubt they would allow only a few peopel to upgrade.

TG50 has been discontinued for a while ..

NX60/70 - Doubt it, it's old, more than a year old, came out before the TG, unlikely they'll give it to nx70 and not TG users.
even worse scenario then TG50

[abosco]

I'd say UX is the only hot candidate of all clies
memory structure isn't proprietary
it's just perfect for OS upgrades
they have virtually 64 of nand flash available
none of present PDAs (well except for toshiba e800) has so much of it.
the only thing is we will have to send the unit to sony, pay sony hefty $50-75No matter how much you like the UX, it's not going to happen. The memory is way too fragmented. The API presents another issue. Sony isn't big on upgrades, and unless there's a damn good reason to, they're not going to do it. Sony upgraded the N710c to the N760c because the screen, which was 8 bit due to the OS, was really 16 bit and could only be used to its full potential with an upgrade to OS 4.1. I know you like your UX, but it's not going to happen. It won't happen for any of them, even though it is theoretically possible. Too much hassle, not enough payoff.

Edit: Flash ROM doesn't make a difference. PalmSource isn't dumb enough to make OS 6 something like 48 MB. Remember, it was promised to be able to fit in the T|T's 4 MB ROM.

Another reason I just don't like the UX.

[Spiral]

Reasons why I think TJ has a chance - It's so new, on the other hand, it's a mid-range model, and Sony didn't have an OS5 mid-range for a long time, they might have a OS6 mid-range for a whi too.

I agree with Abosco, the memory structure is very odd, and the processor is one of the slowest (save maybe T|E and Zire21).

[Vidge]

IMHO, there is no compelling reason for OS6 upgrades to be made available to existing PDA owners, regardless of whether the hardware will support it. It just doesn't make good business sense, at least not until OS6 handheld sales start to drop off.

There was a recent article in which the author indicated that the majority of handheld buyers are existing PDA users, not new PDA users. That being the case, PalmOne and Sony will make more money selling you a new PDA with OS6 than selling you a $50 OS upgrade.

I'm not holding my breath for an OS6 upgrade to be made available.

[riversen]

I think they will make because they have to for their survival. They already blew it by missing the Christmas season, which I am sure not too many clients are too happy about (i.e. Clie, PalmOne, etc.). If they are to survive, they must come out with the Palm OS 6 and the new PDA's to follow in January or February. It is the only thing keeping me from leaving to something else.