Battle of Cellphones!

[Blu3Sab3r]

Nominating:
Nokia N-Gage
-features GPRS with Bluetooth connectivty and a wide selection of high quality games providing the best handheld gaming experience. Other than the odd shape it also very usable. The phone also sport a MP3 and a FM radio. $199.99 with 3 games. *Special offer until December 31, 2003*

Sony Ericsson T616
Sweet camera phone with lots of style and functions including Bluetooth, GPRS, 310k pixel VGA camera, supports MMS/ SMS, and some other cool features. This phone matches my UX50 and have lots of accessories to choose from. However, because lack of gaming, I may require to buy another device.

Feel free to add any new cellphone to the list as long as I have Bluetooth and is GPRS enabled. The purpose of these phones are mostly entertainment and to hook my UX50 with the power of the net :p :D . My purchase will be made sometime around Chinese New Year with a budget of around $200. Voting day will be from December 25th to January 1st. I will also be having a "last call" before my purchase. Meanwhile we can also debate about phones (I dont know if this will be an interesting topic but at least now till New Year, we'll have something to do.

[phoneboy101]

My Sony Ericssonb T610 works flawlessly for data connectivity, SMS, and PIM connectivity. I can even send jpeg's back and forth between it and my UX-50.

[Blu3Sab3r]

Guess thats one for the SE 610.

[big_raji]

T616 is much more professional looking.

I think it's a much better match with the UX-50.

The N-Gage doesn't feel comfortable as a phone. It also looks stupid. :)

If gaming is important to you, pick up the N-Gage. If you want a high quality, professional looking phone, go with the T616.

I'm voting for getting 2 devices... a Sony Ericsson T68i (about $100 on eBay) and a GBA SP (about $100 new I think).

[WickedP]

I have to agree with big_raji...as a matter of fact that's exactly the devices I carry. T616 (AT&T has been offering them for free lately), a GBA SP (Black, of course!) and my UX.

Additionally, There are games for the T616...and they work in a pinch if you need to get that gaming fix.

Wicked

[Blu3Sab3r]

Tell you the truth, I have some ripped N-Gage games and is better than a GBA SP. Carrying two devices have their strenght and weaknesses but in this case I try to keep my pockets light and want one and in future, I might even get an iPod. So its 2:0 for the T610.

[MrNako]

Whats the difference between T610 and T616? I was thinking in buying a T610

[big_raji]

Originally posted by Blu3Sab3r
Tell you the truth, I have some ripped N-Gage games and is better than a GBA SP. Carrying two devices have their strenght and weaknesses but in this case I try to keep my pockets light and want one and in future, I might even get an iPod. So its 2:0 for the T610.

Hmmm, not 2:0... since gaming is important to you, my vote's for the N-Gage.

[TechnoCat]

Avoid Siemens S56; it is GPRS and Bluetooth, and does both well, but not together. The Cingular and AT&T versions (U.S.) are crippled and cannot have their firmware updated, nor can they communicate to Siemens Data Suite. And they're very difficult to get working as GPRS modems for the UX50.

[BootyTP]

Little off topic... is there an emulator for n-gage games on the ux50?

[dudeman]

I bought a T616 based on info in these forums. It worked right away with the ux50 via bluetooth. Awesome phone.

[loserlester]

its all about my nokia 3650. Nuf Said.

[Blu3Sab3r]

K, just to clarify, all the SE T61X are same. Just different version. From what I know, the T616 is American version and T610 is Asian, which would then have a different language. I think gaming is important like you guys said, T616 is more professional and its better in long run because there would be emulators for GBA, N-Gage and Zodiac for Palm. Right now the price is very equal in Canada and T616 is actually a hundred - two hundred more than the N-Gage. I feel that as Canadian, out price is awefully high! I vote for N-Gage still but only bad thing is it needs MMC and I hate MMC because the max is 256 MB and its as rare as a 6 GB CF. The GBA SP on the other hand is, too... childish for me to be carrying around and playing. BTW, what games can be played on your T616? Any good games for your UX50?

[Blu3Sab3r]

Nokia 3650 is good but big. Its nice but if you want one then buy a Nokia 6600 instead. All the same stuff in a tiny package.

[Blu3Sab3r]

*UPDATE*
4 T616: 1 N-Gage: 1 Siemens S56: 0 Nokia 6600: 1 Nokia 3650

[yOyOYoo]

Nokia 6230... Bluetooth, EDGE, camera with video capabilities!

Don't forget about the Sony Ericsson P900... what better phone to match with the Sony UX50.... then again you might like the pda capabilities of the P900 so much that you might be tempted to ditch your clie!

[Blu3Sab3r]

Hm, gotta check it out, from its features I wonder why I never heard of it.

[Blu3Sab3r]

What the fruit, no wonder, its not even out yet. Good phone but by that time and age, there would be a whole lot more. SE P900, Z1010, Nokia 7600 (I think its out), 7200, the multimedia one (dont know name), just to name a few.

[yOyOYoo]

the nokia 6230 should be out in january from what I hear...

[Blu3Sab3r]

It is bit old fashion when I looked more detailly. The function I would say can only match the currently exsisting cellphone and nothing from the future although Nokia plan to release it in the future (a bad idea for their part). It still uses the traditional Nokia MMC, worst ever memory card.

[yOyOYoo]

ooo out of the two phones you listed I would def. pick the T610

[Blu3Sab3r]

It have a nice video feather and I was wondering what EDGE? Is it faster than GPRS?

[Blu3Sab3r]

Not out of those two phones, out of the nomination, we arent voting YET... I'm having a poll like next week.

[dannn]

i nominate my Z600

[Blu3Sab3r]

O I like those, bit too... stylish for me... but I like those... but too stylish... but ... o .. I said that. Anyway, I dont have much affection for clamshells unless its the Samsung camera phone with multi-shot and nightmode.

[yOyOYoo]

for me im waiting for the Nokia 6230. The screen is going to be much brighter and nicer looking than the dull screen on the T610. I tried the t610 for a week and found the reception pretty bad imo.

EDGE is supposed to be much faster than GPRS, I don't know the exact specs but something like 5x as fast?? someone correct me if i'm wrong...

http://www.mobileburn.com/review.jsp?Id=518

[BMEngineer]

How about Panosonic X70 with bluetooth here:
http://www.mobile-phones-uk.org.uk/panasonic-x70.htm

[Blu3Sab3r]

Taking T616 go 10 kbps then the EDGE must go 50 kbps which is VERY ideal replacement of my home internet. Anyone know if my home computer can connect through a Bluetooth cellphone?

[BMEngineer]

EDGE phone can go up to 100kbps....

[Blu3Sab3r]

Panasonic is added!

[Blu3Sab3r]

Definetly considerable if:
1) EDGE Service is cheap
2) EDGE Service is available in Canada
3) Can use Bluetooth phone on my PC

[qazwsxedc30]

my vote is for the nokia 6600

[Unregistered]

Originally posted by qazwsxedc30
my vote is for the nokia 6600

What phone driver do you use to connect Nokia 6600 to your UX? I cound find the correct phone driver for my Nokia 6600.

Thanks.


---
Alif Y

[MrNako]

I was thinking in buying the T610, but after reading this review Im thinking in buying the cheap t68i instead :S

http://www.mobileburn.com/review.jsp?Id=391

[BMEngineer]

EDGE carge should be the same as GPRS, since they run on the same network. The only difference is that EDGE is faster. Therefore if the charge is counted by the amount of file downloaded. Thsy should offer the same price.

[BMEngineer]

Anyway t68i sucks, poor screen and old.

[Blu3Sab3r]

If its same charge then it wont matter because it's unlimited with my ISP. All I need is for it to be able to connect my PC with EDGE.

[Blu3Sab3r]

How many revisions are there of the T68i? And T616?

[BMEngineer]

Yah you will definitely have your downloading faster on EDGE than on GPRS.....
In singapore there are two versions of T68, one is T68 and the other T68i..but both sucks in todays world.
Singapore we have T610 instead of T616 but they are the same from wat i heard.

[Blu3Sab3r]

Any revisions as in fixed bugs. I heard of many bugs with T616.

[Unregistered]

You can use a wireless phone connection on a desktop PC with a bluetooth dongle. You don't need an ISP with GPRS or EDGE.

EDGE real world speeds are around 120K; where GPRS real world speeds around 35K. (Theoretical peak speeds for each are higher.)

The SET61X has one of the brightest, most vibrant screen on the market. It's the same screen in many Samsung clamshell models.

The SE T68 and T68i are terrible phones. Very unreliable and poor sound quality.

[acraniotes]

Speaking of mundane issues like sound quality and reception, how is the T61X? I've heard that it's not particularly good in either category, which IMHO, is the primary reason for having a cellphone in the first place. I've been looking to upgrade my Moto V60i with a BT-enabled phone for a while now, and the T61X is the front-runner. But, if it can't match my Moto (which is stellar as a phone - but that's all it is) in terms of the aforementioned categories, I'll look elsewhere.

I'm curious to see which phone wins this "competition." Perhaps I'll go with the winner as well.

- Adam

[loserlester]

the T610 is not an overseas phone. I have one, aside from my nokia 3650. And its in perfectly clear english.

[Porter]

Just to clarify the T610 has GSM 900 capability, while the T616 has 850 GSM capability. The T610 is more of a true "world phone", the T616 will still operate in other areas of the world.

I have a T616 through AT&T (got it the day it came out). I have been pretty happy with it so far. Lots of features and the bluetooth works great. The reception isn't the greatest, but defenitely superior to the T68.

I guess you could count that as another vote for the the SE T61X.

[7ofAnn]

I'd definitely go for a NOKIA 6600 (have one and a UX50 myself) Last year I owned a T68i from Ericsson, but that was an absolutely crappy phone. Powering itself off whenever it felt like that, and bluetooth was highly unreliable...

[Mad_Bt_User]

Hi!

Z600- Same as T610 with 65k screen
P800- It´s quite a big phone, but it´s a great tool if you leave your Ux at home.
P900- Same as P800 with a 65k screen.


I´ve been using a P800 last months, and it doesn´t fully replace a pda. Now i´m using a P800-UX50 combo.:)

[yOyOYoo]

comparing EDGE with GPRS:

Is the internet connection the bottleneck, or is the bluetooth connection itself the bottleneck?

Meaning, if I connect via bluetooth to an EDGE enabled phone such as the upcoming Nokia 6230, would it be faster than connecting via the SE T610 because the Nokia has EDGE technology?

Or would the speeds be relatively the same because it depends on the bluetooth data transfer speeds?

[ive1976]

Originally posted by BMEngineer
Yah you will definitely have your downloading faster on EDGE than on GPRS.....
In singapore there are two versions of T68, one is T68 and the other T68i..but both sucks in todays world.
Singapore we have T610 instead of T616 but they are the same from wat i heard.


If you don't care about the "bad" screen then the T68i match the T610 perfectly. BTW I have both and the picuters of the T610 are worse then the ones from the T68i (on PC) and with the T610 I have more problems reading the screen in the sun then with the T68i.
And advantage on the T610 is that you have 65K colours and poly.. sound and offcourse the bigger screen.

If you just gonna use it for the bleutooth and IR and calling offcourse then you are better of with the t68i (cheaper and nicer design)

greetZ
ive

[Blu3Sab3r]

I think the best of best phone is right for me and I think Yoyoyo is absolutely right and pose a very important question because there is no point in getting a EDGE phone when Bluetooth already limits it. I think in theory the peak is 120kbps and 35kbps of course latter being the T61X. I also heard its only 10 kbps when in use. This isnt a big problem for web sites and all but as a subsitute for my PC's ISP I think it got long way to go. BTW Yoyoyo, I didnt have time to research the Bluetooth bandwidth but from my estimation, its no weaker than 100 kbps.

Lastly, Smartphones (not include Palm or Symbian OS phones), is another great option for me too. So far the only smart phone I heard of is the Motorola MPx200, which is decent but ugly and I never grew likes for Motorola. The Samsung i700 and the other smart phones are basically a PPC with a phone ablity. I dont like the fact that the smartphones have no screen protection and/or dont even look like a phone. I might keep eye out for more in future and give time for them to fix bugs and improve upon.

So far the T68 is still in competition but its not likely to win. The best phone from what you guys are saying is the Z600 and the T61X. The Z200 would be perfect for me because it have no camera (which I feel that 2 cameras are useless), MMS ready, stylish and cheap. However, this phone does not have Bluetooth =(. I saw the P900 on sale at MobilePlanet for $699.99 + tax and shipping/handling. As Canadian, that would be a major show off tool but even with a T61X, probably no one in my whole school cant even afford one.

[KeilwerthSX90R]

The current bluetooth standard has data rates of up to 723 kbps. For a Class 10 EDGE phone like the Nokia 6230 the peak speed is around 250 kbps with average throughput between 110 - 130 kpbs.

In the U.S., ATTWS recently implemented EDGE on their GSM network. If you have EDGE service available then the 6230 is the way to go.

[yOyOYoo]

wait, so internet connection (GPRS vs EDGE) is the bottle neck in terms of speed and not bluetooth?

Surfing the net with my UX50 connected to a Nokia 6230 (EDGE) is going to be 5 times faster than surfing the net connected to a SonyEricsson T610 (GPRS) via bluetooth???

Someone please confirm!!!

[orol]

Originally posted by Blu3Sab3r
It is bit old fashion when I looked more detailly. The function I would say can only match the currently exsisting cellphone and nothing from the future although Nokia plan to release it in the future (a bad idea for their part). It still uses the traditional Nokia MMC, worst ever memory card.

well some of the newer MMCs are faster then MS & SD & CF ..
they even hit 1GB which is not the case for SD cards ..

btw to be honest I'm also awaiting this new nokia 6230 to replace my old good nokia 6310i which has the best stamina with bluetooth on. what other phone can last over 5 days with BT _always_ on, and heavy sms/internet usage over BT + pretty much phone usage ?

siemens s55 hasn't lasted 2 days in my hands for comparison!

[Sam K]

I nominate the Motorola V600 that should be out really soon. I think it's already out in the UK. Here's the list of specs taken from Motorola's web site.

Enhanced integrated camera
Vivid color display, capable of supporting up to 65,000 colors
Bluetooth™ wireless technology allows you to connect wirelessly to compatible accessories and devices
Multimedia Messaging (MMS) capabilities allow you to send a photo along with a personalized voice message
Quad-band GSM technology gives you the ability to stay in touch worldwide, whether you're in Chicago, Cannes or Caracas*.
Customizable in-coming ring tune and color notification lights**
Polyphonic ring tones for rich, melodic sound
J2ME™ for downloadable games and productivity applications
Interchangeable metal covers
WAP browser with GPRS**
Fast, "always-on" Internet connection**

http://commerce.motorola.com/consumer/QWhtml/v600.html

This is the phone a lot of people are waiting for on HowardForums.com.

[orol]

Originally posted by yOyOYoo
wait, so internet connection (GPRS vs EDGE) is the bottle neck in terms of speed and not bluetooth?

Surfing the net with my UX50 connected to a Nokia 6230 (EDGE) is going to be 5 times faster than surfing the net connected to a SonyEricsson T610 (GPRS) via bluetooth???

Someone please confirm!!!

exactly :-)

[Blu3Sab3r]

One word answer =). Where or what company can you find 1GB MMC?

[nzuser]

i'm using the p900 i bought from expansys and it is a great tool the inclued opera browser allows for real web browsing and the gprs conection speed is also pretty good (not is fast as DSL but thanks to the opera browser reformating process, it loads pages quickly, fast enough to actualy use, the browser also allows one to veiw files on the device and mem stick duo, like a webpage (a really small content webpage) the 640 by 480 VGA cam isn't as clear as the ux-50's nor is the light settings, but still very useful. I loaded doom in the device and all i can say is next gen gaming f or a mobile device is here! handles like the game first did, with the same speed and sounds, the p900 screen is very good though not that bright but still usable indoors and out. mp3 ring tone are bad *****, when the phone rings everyone knows! the device is small but bigger than my t68, the operating system is easy to use and learn the hand writing rec. is jot, so i already knew work to work it. all and all, a very well rounded device, plus it has bluetooth, speakerphone, lighted keypad, vibrate, the ability to view and listen to streaming content, view mpeg files of various sizes, jpeg, bitmap, motion Gif, set backdrops for the screen, voice and video (with sound) recorder, document viewer, can be used as a bluetooth or usb (gsm/gprs) modem for laptops or pdas (my ux-50 or nz90) one very nice phone to check out.

[vlad92]

nzuser,
Can you use you P900 as a modem for UX50(if you would like to search web)?

[dimensiondvdrob]

Originally posted by vlad92
nzuser,
Can you use you P900 as a modem for UX50(if you would like to search web)?

why would you NEED to use the P900 as a modem for the UX50? If you have a P900, there really would not be a need to also carry a UX50, unless you need redundancy in your scheduling and address books. I was thinking of this route, but I would never give up on Palm OS, since it's really is the best out there and I have a lot of $$ invested in software titles for the past 5 years of using this OS.

p.s. - is it just me or is it impossible to keep the T610's screen free from scuffs and scratches and looking like it's been thru a war?

[Spiral]

Originally posted by Blu3Sab3r
One word answer =). Where or what company can you find 1GB MMC?
I'm pretty sure it's Pretec.

I personally use an Innostream Inno 90, pretty stylish.

tri-band, VGA camera, clamshell, 65k external lcd, 262k internal. T-mobile is nice for free wap, but reception is so-so, and i don't get 850 mhz band, so reception isn't as good.

[vlad92]

Originally posted by vlad92
nzuser,
Can you use you P900 as a modem for UX50(if you would like to search web)?

YES!!! You can use P900 as a modem (that's what I do)
I used SE t68i
I used Nokia 3650
Now I use SE P900 and I'm really happy!!!:D

[bgiesecke]

I vote for the Motorola V600.
It's nice, it's small, the camera is ok, and (now) it works fine with my UX50. It is quatro band so works all over US and Europe. Easy connects with blutooth to my BT headset & to my BT handsfree in my car without any add. work.

[dimensiondvdrob]

Originally posted by vlad92


YES!!! You can use P900 as a modem (that's what I do)
I used SE t68i
I used Nokia 3650
Now I use SE P900 and I'm really happy!!!:D

why lug around the P900 if you are already carrying a UX50? It seems a bit redundant for me, at least.

[vlad92]

First-I love gadgets!
Second-right now I didn't figure it out how to read e-book in russian om my P900(it worked great on UX50)

[dimensiondvdrob]

Originally posted by vlad92
First-I love gadgets!
Second-right now I didn't figure it out how to read e-book in russian om my P900(it worked great on UX50)

Me too! I LOVE gadgets. Although I love them and always buy them, I personally would not want to carry a larger cell phone, which has a PDA built in, if I am already carrying a really awesome PDA. One thing that irks me the most is to have a phone/pda unit and not use the PDA part. I feel like I am carrying around something but only using 1/2 of it's capabilities. Believe me, if the P900 were a PALM OS unit, I would have been 1st in line.

[vlad92]

I'm totally agree with you, but I have UX50 for 7 month and I have P900 for a week now.

[conflagrare]

Is the PIM software in the P900 sufficient to replace the standard built in Palm PIM (let's not even compare it to Agendus/Datebook5)? I'ved tried the Symbian series60 OS for a while, and found that it's still a very long ways off (i.e. unusable).

[dimensiondvdrob]

Originally posted by conflagrare
Is the PIM software in the P900 sufficient to replace the standard built in Palm PIM (let's not even compare it to Agendus/Datebook5)? I'ved tried the Symbian series60 OS for a while, and found that it's still a very long ways off (i.e. unusable).

I just had the P900 for a week and I can tell you that the UIQ software is NOTHING compared to PALM OS. Also, I used some apps that I have for my CLIE, like Agendus and it's so shallow compared to the PALM OS counterpart. The Series-60 software is even less than the UIQ and really not made for PDA functions.

[Unregistered]

6600 is also big but has a better screen. wait for the 6230. size of 7250 but has BT and MP3. for now get T630, not T610/6

[conflagrare]

Originally posted by Blu3Sab3r

As Canadian, that would be a major show off tool but even with a T61X, probably no one in my whole school cant even afford one.

You'll be surprised... in fact, I think you should have seen the mass flood of T616/T610 by now...

[Wasobi33]

My ericson owns!. My T616 gets great battery life and never disconnects, flawless bluetooth connection.

[golalmo]

i use my SE T39mc for voice/communication only.
tri-band gsm, wap, gprs, hscsd, ir, bt, usb, modem, fax, 240h standby.
i use my ux or laptop to get online wherever i am.
got it on ebay for $26 :p

[avgerinosmd]

has anyone tried connecting the siemens SX1 with the Ux50.
I failed to connect for intrnet surfing dialing and using sms apps!!
Any ideas?