powerOne Personal

[(oyo)]

Just wondering what I did wrong... I've install the powerOne Personal v2.0.4 from CD that I got with Clie when I bough it lastweek. I read in $ony/$tyle that powerOne Personal come with the machine (NX70V) But when I try to use it it said its a DemoUpdate, need to register in 30 days??? Did I install it wrong? Did I miss a step somewhere?

Thanks for your helps guys&girls

(oyo)

[hansschmucker]

Just use easycalc. it may be os3 but it does everything a scientific calculator is supposed to do. and it's free
easycalc.sourceforge.net

[ddsmith]

Don't have a problem with mine. I did email infinitysw and they sent me 2.09 which supports high res+ with a skin from their site.

[rhart00]

are you sure it wasn't powerone finance? a demo of this program comes on the clie disk along with the full version of powerone personal.



on a side note, i just downloaded the hires+ skin for powerone personal and installed it on my NX. works fine except for the fact that the virtual graffiti area covers the bottom part of the calculator and the virtual graffiti area will not minimize. kind of hard to use the calculator when i can't click on any of the numbers below 7,8,9 cause they are being covered by the virtual graffiti area

[n2ifp]

Originally posted by (oyo)
Just wondering what I did wrong... I've install the powerOne Personal v2.0.4 from CD that I got with Clie when I bough it lastweek. I read in $ony/$tyle that powerOne Personal come with the machine (NX70V) But when I try to use it it said its a DemoUpdate, need to register in 30 days??? Did I install it wrong? Did I miss a step somewhere?

Thanks for your helps guys&girls

(oyo)

The problem is, you have to look in the right spot on your CD. One is free, the other is a Demo, both look the same. Search your CD and you shall find it:).

[(oyo)]

Thank you everyone, I'll reinstall it again tonight when I get home... I'll make sure it's the free version. Thanks again...

[sebring]

Originally posted by rhart00
are you sure it wasn't powerone finance? a demo of this program comes on the clie disk along with the full version of powerone personal.



on a side note, i just downloaded the hires+ skin for powerone personal and installed it on my NX. works fine except for the fact that the virtual graffiti area covers the bottom part of the calculator and the virtual graffiti area will not minimize. kind of hard to use the calculator when i can't click on any of the numbers below 7,8,9 cause they are being covered by the virtual graffiti area

I had a similar problem with my NR and Infinity SW sent me an updated version.

[pixelated]

do you have the direct link to get the hires+ skin?

[sebring]

http://www.infinitysw.com/products/poweronepersonal/poweronepersonal_skins.html

Only works with PowerOne Personal v2

[pixelated]

thanks sebring

[sebring]

How could I not reply to a cute duck?

[pixelated]

Sorry to bother you again----the skin seems to not work well with the version included on the clie 2.04---and I could not find the update to 2.09----do I have to buy that or is it a free update?

You like the duck ( I made him myself using Maya) :-)

[rldunn]

They sent v2.09 to me since they said Sony should have given it out with the NX. I'm not sure what device you have, but maybe they'd email you the new version as well.

[pixelated]

I have the NX ----going to email them right now :-) thanks

[sebring]

Yes, great duck.

rldunn already answered your other question.

[pixelated]

wow----they have already replied me with the update and everything---thanks, everything works great :-) you guys rule

[sebring]

Originally posted by pixelated
wow----they have already replied me with the update and everything---thanks, everything works great :-) you guys rule

Not sure if you are aware of it, but there are several great plug-ins for Power One Personal on the Infinitysw web site, that greatly increase it's capabilities. Business, Finance, Conversion, etc. and they are free.

[(oyo)]

Their support team are great!!! Instread of waiting for tonight, I e-mail them and ask for version 2.0.9. And they sent it to me in 20 minutes. Great calculator... Thanks everyone...

[freecia]

I use the demo megacalc and I find the layout is much more to my taste. I might switch back to PowerOne. I want to do a memory usage and functionality comparison for both.

[rxmedicine]

HI,
i have the Nx70 and i think i have the version 2.04 on the cd for powerone personal...could anyone forward me the update of 2.0.9 so i can use the hi-res plus skin...thanks

[rldunn]

Just email Infinity (see email link at www.infinitysw.com). They responded to several of us within 20 minutes.

[hupokadsfa]

I just emailed infinity and they told me that I was welcome to purchase the upgrade. What did the rest of you say to get the upgrade for free?

[rldunn]

Here's my email to them.I received PowerOnePersonal with my Sony Clie NX70V; the version that came on my CD is v2.0.4. I heard in an online forum that you have a newer version that supports the high-res+ skin on the NX. If that's true, could you please send me this newer version?And their reply.Sony should have shipped v2.09 with this device. I have attached it here.

[Bill Fibber]

Maybe so many people are requesting a new version that they got tired of sending them to people.

Think about it. The version that came on the CD works fine. They are under no obligation to update that version. They were probably being nice to the first few but after about the 50th they probably said no. I would.

The comment that 2.09 should have been the correct shipping version. I doubt it. You probably got some underling that has no idea.

Good luck getting a new version. Posting it here has ruined it for the rest of us.

Thanks.

[hupokadsfa]

Fortunately, I never mentioned that I had heard about this from a forum. I don't think that it is inconceivable for them to have shipped the wrong version of their program, but of course we all know that a company would never make a mistake like that.

I sent another e-mail back to them asking if they at least discounted the upgrade for those who had a prior version.
Hopefully, that won't set off people that will then lecture me on being cheap, miserly and a threat to the future of all software development.

Ah, I have just received a reply:

"We do not offer any upgrade price."

There you have it.

[Bill Fibber]

Do you think they are stupid.

Ok, out of the blue lots of people start asking for the exact same thing on the same day. What could it be?

I'm sure they were just being nice to the first few and then it got out of control. You can't hold it against them. Besides, $10 for an upgrade? Are all of you too cheap to afford it. Obviously not because you all just spent $500+ on the device.

[sebring]

I believe the approach I would have taken would be to tell them you have v2.04 that came with your Clie, but the skin doesn't work with it and ask for a bug fix, not an upgrade. Version 1 came with earlier Clie devices and you may have gotten someone that assumed you were trying to upgrade from v1. Version 2 is represented to have hires+ capability, therefore, the version you have has a bug and the newer version is just a bug fix.

PS: I purchased my copy of v2, which I thought was reasonable, since the copy that came with my NR was v1 and v2 represented a significant upgrade. I would however consider their position that an upgrade from 2.04 to 2.09 to utilize the capabilities represented for v2, to be an unacceptable position. I also had to email them for an upgrade, because the copy of v2 I received initially did not function correctly in hires+ mode. They were very prompt in emailing me an updated version.

In response to Bill position, I would love to have him as a customer. I could have him cleaned out in no time. When you purchased the Clie, you also purchased the software on the Clie. It is NOT free software.

[hupokadsfa]

No I don't think they are stupid, but I don't think its unreasonable to expect consistency from them. I had assumed that the company had already established a policy in regard to a situation like this, and that the free upgrades were an extension of that policy. Many companies offer discounts to upgrades, quite often as a marketing tool, and also it is just good business.
I

[hupokadsfa]

Thanks sebring,
I think I posted without putting to much thought into it, and now I have been rebuffed by infinity and made some guy named bill mad at me.

[Bill Fibber]

The only problem with that thinking is that the upgrade proce from v1 to v2 is the same. I just checked their update section.

This will not work either.

[Bill Fibber]

Originally posted by hupokadsfa
No I don't think they are stupid, but I don't think its unreasonable to expect consistency from them. I had assumed that the company had already established a policy in regard to a situation like this, and that the free upgrades were an extension of that policy. Many companies offer discounts to upgrades, quite often as a marketing tool, and also it is just good business.
I

Seeing as you all got this for free, I don't think you deserve a free upgrade. Do you think you are entitled to it? You should be lucky they responded to your e-mail considering you haven't even purchesed anything. What is it with you people. You all think you should get software for free but you spend $500+ for the device. Does that make sense?

[hupokadsfa]

Well, I really need their graphing calculator, so I'll have to do the unthinkable, I will pay for it. I know others will recommend easy calc, but I need all the features that powerone offers.
If any one needs a great graphing calculator, this is the one to get.
Unless, someone knows of a better one.

[sebring]

Originally posted by hupokadsfa
Thanks sebring,
I think I posted without putting to much thought into it, and now I have been rebuffed by infinity and made some guy named bill mad at me.

I have been assuming you have a NX and the version that you received is v2. If so, I would not accept their position as it is unresonable. If you have an earlier version, I doubt you will get the upgrade free. See the PS in my previous post. Good Luck.

[nlode]

Look at the reply I got below.
They used to have great service. Dont know what happened.
I bought the finance version back in 2001 for 60 bucks and they
still want me to pay 20 more bucks to have a version
that works in the NX.. I feeling frustated...

Reply:
Nelson,

I don't know what Mike told you but the version that shipped with your
device is the version you got. All we offer is the enhanced version of
powerOne Personal. It's $9.99.

Sorry,
Bob
------------------------------
Infinity Softworks
support@infinitysw.com
Phone: (503)690-3134
Fax: (503) 690-0733

[hupokadsfa]

Bill, this whole issue is not worth your anger. If you will read the "blurb" under each of my posts you will realize that I'm used to things not always going my way. As I mentioned, I will most likely buy a much more expensive program. So holster your guns and relax.

[sebring]

Originally posted by Bill Fibber


Seeing as you all got this for free, I don't think you deserve a free upgrade. Do you think you are entitled to it? You should be lucky they responded to your e-mail considering you haven't even purchesed anything. What is it with you people. You all think you should get software for free but you spend $500+ for the device. Does that make sense?

I guess you believe in Santa Clause and the Easter Bunny too.:) Nothing is free, it may be buried in the $500+ price you paid for the Clie, but that is Not free.

[hupokadsfa]

Sebring,
I do have the Nx, I just wanted to be able to use the skins.
I just could have written my post a little clearer.

[rxmedicine]

I also got an email from them saying I can purchase it....the thing is I bought the NX 70 and the version that came with it won't allow me to display the hi-res plus abilities of my pda...if anyone still has it and would be a kind soul and forward it to me...i would appreciate it at rxmedicine@yahoo.com
i think they got tired of sending it to everyone....

[(oyo)]

rxmedicine did you get it?

[Bill Fibber]

Originally posted by hupokadsfa
Bill, this whole issue is not worth your anger. If you will read the "blurb" under each of my posts you will realize that I'm used to things not always going my way. As I mentioned, I will most likely buy a much more expensive program. So holster your guns and relax.

I'm not angry with anyone. I just don't understand why $10 is such a big deal to you people. You bought the device from Sony so why don't you contact them. I'm sure they will care even less.

[hupokadsfa]

Why do you care?

[Bill Fibber]

I care because I work in the software industry and I'm tired of people spending lots of money on hardware and expect the software for free.

What does it matter to you?

[hupokadsfa]

I thought it might be something like that, It sounds like you have a lot of issues and are using me as the kicking post.
Well, fire away. It doesn't bother me if you want to rant and rave, you will still be angry tomorrow. Just for the sake of clarification, I was only asking for what others have asked for and received. I had no way of knowing that this would not be given out generally, but only to the first few who asked.
So in effect, I have cost them nothing, but those who have received the free software have, direct your anger towards them.

[nlode]

And how about this reply:


Nelson,

I hate to be the bearer of bad news but you bought a new device before
checking if your old software would work. We charge our powerOne
Finance v2 users $19.99 for the update to v4.0. I hate to say it but
even your original purchase price plus the update is still not more than
an HP19BII.

As for sending the new version to a few people, yes we did do that. We
had so many requests for it that we have decided to discontinue it.

Sorry,
Bob
------------------------------
Infinity Softworks
support@infinitysw.com
Phone: (503)690-3134
Fax: (503) 690-0733
1315 NW 185th Ave, PMB 180
Beaverton, Oregon 97006 USA

[Bill Fibber]

So what's the problem. Bob's right. You did get your new device without learning what software would work. Is that their fault. Besides, $20 is not a big deal considering your just spent $500+ on the device. I own powerOne Finance and I have paid for all the updates. I know for a fact that it has still been cheaper than buying the HP19BII especially since it has been discontinued.

As I said before, your people posting it here has ruined for the rest of us.

Nelson, spend the money and give it up.

[n2ifp]

Well, there are some developers who were generous enough to supply newer versions when we upgraded to the NX series, without charging for it! There is also such a thing as being nickled and dimed to death. A $600.00 unit ends up costing a whole lot more to do things than it should have. Some of the apps Sony suppled are an insult. While I understand developers wanting to be compensated, not every user has deep pockets, so both lose out!

[sebring]

Originally posted by Bill Fibber
I care because I work in the software industry and I'm tired of people spending lots of money on hardware and expect the software for free.

What does it matter to you?

I'd like to know the name of your company, so I never buy a piece of software from you, if it is your atitude to charge people for a minor upgrade that is no more than a bug fix. The version of this software that was included with the NX v2 is represented on palmgear, their web site and anywhere else you care to look as supporting hires+. I did pay for an upgrade because the version that came with my NR was v1 and v2 was a significant upgrade that justified charging for. The original copy I received also did not function correctly in hires+. They did provide me with a fixed version and I believe, since their software does not function as it is represented, they should provide v2 owners the corrected version free of charge.

PS: The source of the software is irrelevant, as long as it is obtained legally and in accordance with the vendors distribution channels.

[Bill Fibber]

Originally posted by sebring

I'd like to know the name of your company, so I never buy a piece of software from you, if it is your atitude to charge people for a minor upgrade that is no more than a bug fix.


Who is getting mad now?

I'm glad you paid for it. Now you will be able to get updates as well as customer support.

My problem is with the people who get software free on the device and then cry when the company won't offer them free updates. Did you ever think that the software companies that bundle on hardware often get no compensation out of the deal. As I look at it, you all got something for free which worked fine. Now that a new feature has been implamented you all think you are entitled to it. Am I the only one who sees the problem with this??

If enabling silk screen support was supposed to work with v2.0.4 and it didn't I could see them handing out an update. It never worked in that version so I don't think they owe anyone anything.

And, the company I work for is irrelevant. Our software is far to expensive and specialized for most of you to get any use out of it.

[sick of whining]

Do any of you ever go back and read your posts?

Whine, whine, whine.

Is there a Clie board that is not filled with a bunch of cry babies?

See I registered just to make those of you who whine about non-registered people questioning your behaviors happy.

[hupokadsfa]

I'm not whining, I'm happy. I just paid powerone $45 for a graphing calculator. :) <-that's me grinning through the pain.
Now Bill can relax, I've helped a software developer's family to eat for one more day.

Now, where is an old lady I can help cross the street.....

[Bill Fibber]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by hupokadsfa
[B]I'm not whining, I'm happy. I just paid powerone $45 for a graphing calculator. :) <-that's me grinning through the pain.
Now Bill can relax, I've helped a software developer's family to eat for one more day.
QUOTE]

I'm shocked that you pay for anything!!

[nlode]

Originally posted by Bill Fibber

Nelson, spend the money and give it up.

I will do differently, I will just not pay and not use the software anymore.

Why should I pay extra if they did not follow Palm´s programming procedures and now the software that I bought back in 2001 does not work anymore?

I don´t have to pay for Office XP, for example, my Office 2000 copy that I bought in 1999 still works fine; I don´t have to buy Norton AntiVirus2002, my 2000 version still works fine too. I will pay for an upgrade if I feel there are significant changes; I paid for Quickoffice 6.0 to get VFS support and I paid for Arcosoft´s Sketch because they upgraded to color, even tough the old version works fine, for example.

I own a software company here in Brazil, for the corporate finance market. And this is not the way I do business.

[n2ifp]

Originally posted by Bill Fibber


Who is getting mad now?

I'm glad you paid for it. Now you will be able to get updates as well as customer support.

My problem is with the people who get software free on the device and then cry when the company won't offer them free updates. Did you ever think that the software companies that bundle on hardware often get no compensation out of the deal. As I look at it, you all got something for free which worked fine. Now that a new feature has been implamented you all think you are entitled to it. Am I the only one who sees the problem with this??

If enabling silk screen support was supposed to work with v2.0.4 and it didn't I could see them handing out an update. It never worked in that version so I don't think they owe anyone anything.

And, the company I work for is irrelevant. Our software is far to expensive and specialized for most of you to get any use out of it.

How do I know if&nbsp; the bundled software was for free? Some apps for my Sony VAIO PC's had free updates. In fact a lot of PC's now a days come with less so they can sell them for less. Shoots a hole in your theory that software was free. Tell Microsoft that their OS was for free, I don't think so. If a developer does offer free software, either it's total crap, or they want more money out of us. I for one am tired of getting crapped on!

I guess your company's software makes them special, so they charge a ridiculous price so any a select few can use it. Sounds like corporate greed to me.

[Bill Fibber]

Originally posted by nlode

Why should I pay extra if they did not follow Palm´s programming procedures and now the software that I bought back in 2001 does not work anymore?


You have no clue about programming. Besides, you own a company in Brazil. Oh wow!! Now you are quilfied to assume you know everything about software industry!!

How can a developer know what won't work in an OS rev that has not been created yet. Did you ever upgrade from Win98 to Win2000. Not everything worked! I had several programs that I had to pay for an upgrade. I doubt that software companies have ESP enough to predict what the OS makers will do with the next rev that will break old versions. I would suggest that you only comment on things that you know something about.

By the way, my company's software is not "corporate greed". We offer specialized solutions to specialized markets. If you don't understand the industry I work in, don't assume you do.

[nlode]

Originally posted by Bill Fibber


You have no clue about programming. Besides, you own a company in Brazil. Oh wow!! Now you are quilfied to assume you know everything about software industry!!

How can a developer know what won't work in an OS rev that has not been created yet. Did you ever upgrade from Win98 to Win2000. Not everything worked! I had several programs that I had to pay for an upgrade. I doubt that software companies have ESP enough to predict what the OS makers will do with the next rev that will break old versions. I would suggest that you only comment on things that you know something about.

By the way, my company's software is not "corporate greed". We offer specialized solutions to specialized markets. If you don't understand the industry I work in, don't assume you do.

I do have some clue about programming, but this issue has more to do about marketing strategy than technical issues. They decided they will charge for every upgrade, and that´s too bad. I am going to stop the whining here, I already told what I will do, I will stop using it.

In my previous comment I did not mean to appear as knowing more than anyone else, but since you did not accept the views of anyone else saying that you worked in the industry, I wanted to show you that there are a lot more people here at ClieSource that also work in the same indsutry.

One more thing, I felt you mentioned Brazil in a derogatory manner; my country&nbsp;is poor and with a much smaller economy than the US, but it does not mean&nbsp;all Brazilians&nbsp;are a bunch of idiots that don´t know anything and can´t reach intelligent conclusions. And my company also offers specialized solutions to&nbsp;a niche&nbsp;market, but I am not trying to assume anything.

[sebring]

Originally posted by Bill Fibber


Who is getting mad now?

I'm glad you paid for it. Now you will be able to get updates as well as customer support.

My problem is with the people who get software free on the device and then cry when the company won't offer them free updates. Did you ever think that the software companies that bundle on hardware often get no compensation out of the deal. As I look at it, you all got something for free which worked fine. Now that a new feature has been implamented you all think you are entitled to it. Am I the only one who sees the problem with this??

If enabling silk screen support was supposed to work with v2.0.4 and it didn't I could see them handing out an update. It never worked in that version so I don't think they owe anyone anything.

And, the company I work for is irrelevant. Our software is far to expensive and specialized for most of you to get any use out of it.

If your attitudes represent your companies marketing policy, I recommend you start looking for another job. Your company isn't going to last long.