TJ35 mini-review

[hotpaw4]

TJ35's are now available in several "brick&mortar" retail stores. I found a stack in the Santa Clara CompUSA.

I needed a thin OS 5 unit to replace my aging Clie T615C. The TJ25/35 are the thinnest OS 5 models currently available; and the TJ35 cost about $100 less (before rebate) than did the old T615C.

The most important note is that the Graffiti 1 restore trick works on the TJ35 (copying the ROM files from my T|T to a SD card to a Memory Stick on my Mac, and then the from Memory Stick to TJ35 storage heap before a soft reset). That makes the TJ35 usable for me (I've been using G1 for 7 years, it's probably wired into my brain already).

The TJ35 display is slightly brighter than my old T615C on all equivalent brightness settings (low to max); with much more saturated "red"s. The alarm sound seems to have around the same volume. (Of course, my T|T is much louder and has a brighter display).

The audio output from the TJ35 earphone jack is much louder and cleaner than from the T|T. I'd guess the 60% volume setting on TJ35 was roughly the same as the 100% volume setting without overdrive on the T|T (using Aeroplayer of course). All the way up, it was too loud for me to put the ear-buds in my ears.

The CPU performance is between 35 and 40% faster than the T|T on both ARM and 68k code, which almost exactly scales with CPU clock rate; and roughly twice as fast as the T615C on non-accelerated 68k apps.

It's still charging, so no battery life results yet.

Compared to the T|E, the TJ35 is thinner, benchmarks faster and has a metal case and regular serial port connector. On the downside, it cost more, has less storage memory, an almost unusable stylus and doesn't have as bright a display. So the TJ 35 works for me because I prefer a dimmer display for ebook reading at night, store my large databases on a card instead of in memory, and usually use a full-size pen with a PDA tip instead of the built-in sytlii. Plus (biased reviewer notice), I wanted to show off a model with my software in the OEM ROM.

[Unregistered]

Thanks, that's a very nice summary! I tend to have the same preferences you have: don't need a super bright screen, because I would never put it at maximum brightness to begin with, and I also use a full size pen-stylus. I have a TJ35 on order and I should receive it by 11/3 the latest (hopefully sooner).

[hotpaw4]

Here is the result of my initial TJ35 battery life test. I used a non-CPU-intensive task (clock display) with the backlight at 33% to simulate e-book reading on a long airline flight.

TJ35 = 6:51 to the first "low battery" warning dialog.
T615C = 5:34
T|T = 4:20 (bluetooth off, backlight at minimum)
Vx = (over 12.5 hours, backlight off)

The TJ35 battery life test was run after a full 4 hour charge to 4.2V, and run at a room temperature of 70-72F. The unit powered off automatically after about another 14 minutes.

At almost 7 hours of battery life, the TJ35 is good enough for cross-country flights, but not trans-Ocean flights. The above are not power user tests. Running something like a graphics intesive game at a maximum backlight setting can reduce the battery life to betweeen 1/3rd and 1/2 of the above estimates. YMMV.

[riversen]

I have a question... is there any way to get the sound utility from a TG50 to the TJ35? The fact that I cannot choose some of my current customizable alarms was very disappointing, but if I can get most of my desired app's back in the TJ35 and find a good stylus/pen combo then I might actually reconsider it again. Any thoughts?

[mdlsimpson]

I have a TG50 and am seriously looking at the TJ35. I prefer the "look" of this PDA over the Shiny Tugsten E and have compared the screen to several PDA's and find that it is very similar to the NX70v which I was looking at in my local Cicuit City. It definitely not at bright as my TG50 but it is brighter than the t665 (there was one of those STILL on display at Circuit City!) and the color saturation looks good. I remember when the TG50 came out everyone complained about the "stage lights" along the bottom of the screen... The slightly bluish cast of the NX70v was complained about... there is always something lacking for someone on EVERY PDA so there will never be a perfect PDA that fits the bill of every consumer.

I feel the screen on the TJ, while nowhere near as bright as the TE, is still a super screen. I had a SJ22 earlier this year and felt at the time it was a great screen (coming from a t615c and a Tungsten T) and this screen is definitely better than the SJ22!

To each his own............

[riversen]

Originally posted by mdlsimpson
It definitely not at bright as my TG50 but it is brighter than the t665 (there was one of those STILL on display at Circuit City!) and the color saturation looks good.

Maybe, I had a bad TJ35, but my T665 was brighter than the TJ35. If anyone else has the TJ35 and you have compared it to a T665, can you let me know what you think of the brightness? I am willing to rethink this thing, since I really want a Palm OS 5.2.1 device.

I know that PalmOne had some issues with their TT3's where one was significantly dimmer than the other.

[Tone]

Originally posted by riversen
I have a question... is there any way to get the sound utility from a TG50 to the TJ35? The fact that I cannot choose some of my current customizable alarms was very disappointing, but if I can get most of my desired app's back in the TJ35 and find a good stylus/pen combo then I might actually reconsider it again. Any thoughts?

Simply copy it over! But please not the speaker is not the same so the sound will be terrible on TJ35. I dont mind as the current tones are sufficient. If u looking for poluphonic sound like the TG50, then TJ35 is NOT for you.

[riversen]

Compusa, Circuit City, Fry's, etc., all said that the TJ35 has polyphonic sounds. Are you saying that it is not polyphonic? Are these retailers all wrong?

Also, how would you copy it over? I currently have a Palm OS 4.1 device. I am pretty sure that it won't work on the TJ35. Where else can I get this software?

[Tone]

Originally posted by mdlsimpson
I have a TG50 and am seriously looking at the TJ35. I prefer the "look" of this PDA over the Shiny Tugsten E and have compared the screen to several PDA's and find that it is very similar to the NX70v which I was looking at in my local Cicuit City. It definitely not at bright as my TG50 but it is brighter than the t665 (there was one of those STILL on display at Circuit City!) and the color saturation looks good. I remember when the TG50 came out everyone complained about the "stage lights" along the bottom of the screen... The slightly bluish cast of the NX70v was complained about... there is always something lacking for someone on EVERY PDA so there will never be a perfect PDA that fits the bill of every consumer.

I feel the screen on the TJ, while nowhere near as bright as the TE, is still a super screen. I had a SJ22 earlier this year and felt at the time it was a great screen (coming from a t615c and a Tungsten T) and this screen is definitely better than the SJ22!

To each his own............

I could relate to this thread... since I am an ex T665 and TG50 user.

Now I am a proud user of TJ35... Malaysia was a little too slow with TJ35 so I got mine in Singapore, @ SGD 489.00... Finally I have found something that quite close to my needs... Its sleek, minimalistic, double the memory and lightweight. Ans the screen quality, nothing comes close to Clie lines. In other words - it's perfect for my needs.

I have close to 1K Address entries, heavy DateBk5 user, and keep all my important information in Memo. I use DTG6 for my spreadsheet and presentations and sometimes Word files. I like Mobipocket, but only reads occassionally, thinking of avantgo since it doesnt come with Mobipocket anymore.

I dont need keyboard or bluetooth. Nor I wasn't too happy for the speaker isn't really polyphonic. Actually it gives quite an audible alarm/ reminder tones.

I tried to look at PalmOne models, the closest I got was TT2. Its sleek and compact, but its heavy. Sliding in and out of cradle was also an issue to me. TT3 doesnt look appealing and not practical to slide open when u need full screen. When TT came out, everyone complained about not having to be able to do a number of things without having to extend it. TE was the next contender, but the fingerprints smudging issue, no universal connector and lately the case of the paint job coming off, I am glad I didnt take the plunge.

http://www.cliesource.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=30787

Now in the look-out for the cradle, extra stylus as well as a nice leather case.

Oh, FYI, one difference that I found out is that TJ35 has shiny metallic sides as well as the bottom part where the connectors is. Also, other colours available in Japan only.

If you like TJ25, wait for TJ35, comes with more memory and headphone jack as well as AeroPlayer. Or if you still thinking betwen TE or TJ35, well, you know I've made my choice...

[Tone]

Originally posted by riversen
Compusa, Circuit City, Fry's, etc., all said that the TJ35 has polyphonic sounds. Are you saying that it is not polyphonic? Are these retailers all wrong?

Also, how would you copy it over? I currently have a Palm OS 4.1 device. I am pretty sure that it won't work on the TJ35. Where else can I get this software?

U said TG50 to TJ35. Look for the Sound Utility apps using Clie File or Filez, beam it to TJ35. Palm OS 4.1 apps probably won't work.

Someone mentioned that the speakers are not the same. Its better then TJ25. but not as good as TG50.

It makes sense as TJ35 does not come with the Sound Utility software.

Please try it and let us know!

[hotpaw4]

The TJ35 can play polyphonic sounds, but apparently not using the older Sony Sound Utility MIDI files, only by using ADPCM files. The OS 5 sampled sound manager on the TJ35 can also be used to play polyphonic sounds, but I'm not sure if any apps other than a few games use this feature. And of course, you can play any music in mp3 or ogg vorbis format thru Aeroplayer. There may be at least one 3rd party alarm app which launches Aeroplayer, but I'm not sure which one.

My TJ35 and a store-display T665 both seemed a little brighter than my T615C, but perhaps not by more than the random variation of individual units.

You can buy PDA stylus tips for many full size pens, Cross for instance.

[duester]

Originally posted by Tone


Its sleek, minimalistic, double the memory and lightweight. Ans the screen quality, nothing comes close to Clie lines. In other words - it's perfect for my needs.


ACK for the CPU and the form factor, but not the memory.
On my T675 (T665) I've got 16 MB usable, the TJ35 has 'only' 23 MB which isn't double but 43 % more!

Please correct this if I'm wrong.

[hotpaw4]

Allmost all 32 MB of the memory in the TJ35 is usable, but only 23 MB is usable for storage, 1 MB is used by the OS, and 8 MB is usable as RAM by the running application.

Programs need RAM to run; the T665 didn't have very much (256k maybe?), which wasn't enough for apps such as 3rd party mp3 players and more full featured web browsers.

[flesh99]

I've now had my tj35 for about 4 days and love it. I am little upset at Sony for not including the Ogg-Vorbis plugin for Aeroplayer by default. It was easy enough to find and install but since it is supposed to be the default plugin it makes sense to have it. I don't really have any complaints about the device at all. I had to add it to the visor driver for linux and recompile the driver, but that is only due to the newness of the device. Once that was done I have had no problems syncing with any of the apps available for *nix. I am happy with the sound quality using ear buds and even a cassette adapter for my car stereo. I would definitely say that Sony did a good job overall on this one!

[hotpaw4]

Where can I find the source code and mods required for the TJ35 linux driver? Thanks.

[flesh99]

I have to know a little about your system first :) If you are running an rpm based distro (Mandrake, RedHat, SuSE, etc) you will need to have the rpm for kernel-source installed. Once you have that browse to the driver, it should be /usr/src/linux-xxxxxxx/drivers/usb/serial/

The driver is the visor driver and I had to cheat to get mine to work, but it does work. If you sync other palm devices make sure they do not have this USB ID before changing it!

I changed the following line in visor.h

#define SONY_CLIE_4_1_ID 0x0169

To look as it does above. Note that I also sync a an SJ20 and this has not affected it. If you send me a PM with your e-mail address or ICQ or AIM contact I will gladly wlak you through getting it working if you need more help.

[burt2020]

My T665C was stolen and I'm about to buy a new (Palm OS) PDA. One of the things I have I really enjoyed was the position of the jog dial so that I could use my PDA with one hand. I find Sony has either moved by dial to another location or deleted it. Also the 2.0 mega pixel camera on the ZX90 was replaces with a 1.3 mega pixel. (While I don't want a camera, if I did why would I want less camera.) The new TJ series is dim. Can anybody tell me why I should by a TJ35 over a Tungsten E? WAKE UP SONY.

[flesh99]

I see absolutely nothing dim about the TJ35's display, it is more than bright enough for anything I need to do and I have never even turned the brightness all the way up. The TJ35 has a faster processor plus more applications. I think there is a thread here that shows you would have to spend easily another 100.00 USD to get the same application functionality on the Tungsten E. WAKE UP PEOPLE. There is a reason this one is 50.00 more, and well worth every penny in my opinion.

[Buta-san]

Hi all..first post on these boards. I am a prospective first time PDA buyer and have read the reviews/debate over the TJ-35 with interest. I have been trying to choose between the TJ-35 and the T/E.

My question: I now see the TG-50 offered by reputable dealers for about $250. At this price point how does this model compare in terms of features and value? I know this unit has gotten a mixed reception.

Thanks.

[hotpaw4]

Originally posted by burt2020
My T665C was stolen and I'm about to buy a new (Palm OS) PDA. One of the things I have I really enjoyed was the position of the jog dial so that I could use my PDA with one hand. ... Can anybody tell me why I should by a TJ35 over a Tungsten E? ...

If you already have Memory Stick media, you can still use them in the TJ35. The T|E uses SD cards instead. (I have both types of cards, so this wasn't a major issue for me.)

The TJ35 scroll roller isn't quite as convenient as the one one the T615/665, but still allows you to scroll or page through e-books using one hand. The T|E has no scroll wheel at all; instead it has a 5-way navigator.

If you have any cables for the T-connector, you can use them with the TJ35. The T|E does not have a serial port, and can't be used with a wired keyboard, GPS or robotics kit. The TJ35 is slightly thinner and has a metal case, the T|E case is plastic and more easily scratched. The TJ35 also has a faster CPU.

On the other hand, if you buy a TJ35 you will probably also have to buy a stylus-pen. The T|E is cheaper, comes with a much more usable stylus, has a much brighter display for picture viewing outdoors, has a few MB more usable storage memory, has updated PIM applications, and comes with Document-to-Go bundled.

Except for picture viewing, I'd say the TJ35 is the more elegant power users choice, but requires you to buy some extras; whereas the T|E gives you more for your money, especially for business/enterprise use because of the bundled and PIM apps.

[flesh99]

The stylus is a disappointment, but I already used a three way pen/pencil/stylus so it wasn't even near a deal breaker for me. I use it because I write a lot and needed something that had some heft to it. I can't stand most of the stylus's out there that come stock so it wasn;t suprising that I didn't like this one either. I disagree about the apps. Of course most of the world wouldn't agree with me but I am going to say it anyway. I have no need to open MS Office files on my PDA, ever. I rarely have to open them on my pc to begin with so the ability to do that means nothing to me and is not a selling point. Now give me an office suite for Palm OS that lets me open Open Office docs and I will turn cartwheels.

The provided player on the Tungsten for mp3s is nowhere the qaulity of Aeroplayer so that is a mark against it as well. Plus from what I have seen so far the battery life on the TJ35 is much better.

[DigitalOverlord]

I had a TJ25 for 3 days and then I traded it up to a TJ35 and have had that for 2 days and I must say that the TJ35 is well worth the extra $50 over the TJ25 the case looks nicer, the cover is nicer; it has a real speaker and a stereo headphone jack! I will be sticking with the TJ35 for a while it is replacing my 615c which was a great unit. All of my 615c cables and accessories work with the TJ35 with the exception of the cradles and I will just sell them with the 615c.

To sum up:

PROS:
FAST
Great Sound
Nice bright screen
Thin
Small
Memory Stick and Memory Stick Pro Support

Cons:
Corners are a tad sharp
Stylus is a joke
Will not work with the T series cradles.

I give it an A-.
____________
Just my 2 Cents!

[riversen]

Originally posted by flesh99
I've now had my tj35 for about 4 days and love it. I am little upset at Sony for not including the Ogg-Vorbis plugin for Aeroplayer by default. It was easy enough to find and install but since it is supposed to be the default plugin it makes sense to have it.

I am sorry if this is a dumb question, but what is the "Ogg-Vorbis plugin?" Do I need to buy this or this something that I can find somewhere?

Also, the TJ35 does not have the Sound Utility... right? I was able to get a copy of it from a TG50 to see if it will work on my TJ35 that I ordered from Dell.

I will admit it. I bought one again after much consideration and guidance. I was told that I could use some of the app's on it that it did not contain, so it made it worth while. I am really hoping the Sound Utility will allow me to use the different alarms of DateBK5 on it.

I have one more question... does anyone know if the extra styli that you can buy with the neat little brass ring (NX80V and NX70V styli) are better than the default stylus that it comes with?

[hotpaw4]

The TJ35 does not come with the Sound Utility and does not appear to have a polyphonic MIDI chip. You may have to get or wait for new applications updated for the OS 5 sound manager to hear polyphonic sounds.

Ogg Vorbis is an audio compression format, similar to mp3 and ac3. Many people think it's better (higher quality sound at the same bit-rates) than mp3; but you need to re-encode your music from the original CD's or source material. Aeroplayer support Ogg Vorbis format audio files. Realone does not.

[riversen]

I was able to install the Sound Utility on a store display of TJ and it worked. Could this be for other reasons then? After installing it, it played the different alarms, so I don't know what that means. Perhaps, you have some insight into this. Thanks, again.

[hotpaw4]

If you play polyphonic MIDI files, such as "Spring Park" they will sound better on a T615C or T665 than on a TJ35. I'm guessing that's because the TJ35 does not have a polyphonic MIDI sound chip. The ARM CPU can actually do better (as in play an entire symphony from an mp3 files with multi-channel equalization), but doesn't (currently?) support the same Sony Sound Library OS calls.

[riversen]

I am sorry if I am being redundant... but what does that mean to me? Does it mean that I should not be using the Sound Utility then and I will not be able to use the polyphonic sounds at all? Can the Sound Utility then support the regular alarms that Sound Utility seems to make available? Sorry if I sound confused, but I probably am.

Maybe if I understood what polyphonic really means, then I might be a bit closer to understanding this all.

[craiglester]

Umm doesn't it say on the box if it has a polyphonic sound chip.. my SJ33 (soon to be returned) says on the box it has a 16 channel fm chip... just thought it might be worth a look :)

[riversen]

Does the polyphonic chip mean that there is a way to handle sounds completely away from the processor? I think that is what was just said, right?

[flesh99]

Originally posted by riversen
[B]

I am sorry if this is a dumb question, but what is the "Ogg-Vorbis plugin?" Do I need to buy this or this something that I can find somewhere?


This was actually tricky, you see Aeroplayer has this plugin as the default if you buy it from the company that makes it. Sony leaves it out. So what you have to do is go to the Aeroplayer site, download Aeroplayer, unzip it, and then install just the plugin, it is a prc file and installs without any problems and works well. With a handheld device the audio processing is not near as good as that on a desktop so you can use Ogg-Vorbis utils to encode at 96 khz and have sound that is still better than FM quality and much much smaller than most MP3s. I use it in the car even with a cassette adapter and on a stock sound system in my jeep it sounds as good as any cassette I play. Encoded at 96/Ogg-Vorbis you can fit close to 3 hours of music on a 64M memory stick.

[hotpaw4]

The older SJ33 didn't have the CPU performance to handle polyphonic sounds in software, so it used a seperate MIDI chip, and non-standard Sony API's. The TJ35 200 MHz ARM CPU can easily handle mp3 music or polyphonic sounds in software, but may require new software to do so, software which supports the regular OS 5 sound manager. Since the TJ35 can be made with less chips, this gives Sony more room for potential future cost reductions.

[hotpaw4]

One other issue figured out. The TJ35 now syncs with my Mac via the USB port after installing the Mark/Space "Missing Sync" utility on my Mac (running OS X 10.2).

Developers might want to note that even though native arm/pnolets themselves run faster on the TJ35 than on a T|T, the API to call the arm/pnolets seems to be slower. Not sure why...

[hotpaw4]

I finally had a chance to listen to my TJ35 in a very quiet room (no PC's, no other fans) and it does buzz when turned on. It's very high frequency buzz; and I can hear it only if I hold the display up right next to my ear in a silent room; so it's clearly not a problem.

[Atmos42]

Originally posted by hotpaw4
Developers might want to note that even though native arm/pnolets themselves run faster on the TJ35 than on a T|T, the API to call the arm/pnolets seems to be slower. Not sure why...

...it does buzz when turned on. It's very high frequency buzz; and I can hear it only if I hold the display up right next to my ear...

etc...


Gee hotpaw4, could you go into a little more detail, you're being rather vague...:D

- Atmos42

[dcplunkett]

Had a chance to play with a TJ-35 in Best Buy today. The screen was pretty dim -- set at full brightness it was only as bright as my N760C at 1/4.

[hotpaw4]

Re: the arm/pnolet calling slowdown on the TJ35. There are more details than anyone other than a developer would want to know over on the PalmSource pnolet forum mailing list:
<http://www.escribe.com/computing/poaf/index.html>

Summary: Sony did it correctly, but correctly is slower.

[hotpaw4]

Another slight advantage I found that the TJ35 has over the T|E is that the Sony T-connector wired keyboard has 5 rows of keys, whereas the IR keyboard for the T|E only has 4 rows of keys.

[duester]

I had a chance to compare screens of TJ35 and my T675 (T665) and they look the same.

[Spiral]

Really? I thought the newer Clie's were brighter, maybe not.

[duester]

Why should they?
The lighting in our houses and offices in getting better so Sony can save battery life :)

[DaveTN]

Hi All,

I had originally started the thread Check This Out! and since I got my new TJ35, I felt that this was a better thread to post my experiences in rather than deviating from my original post.

I have been using my Tj for a few hours now and one of my best impressions is the MP3. It sounds very good, although most of my MP3s are encodd in high bit rates. Need.....more......memory....sticks....ARRRRGGGHH! Have to spend more money. Honestly though I am quite happy because now I can sneek off at work and listen to music without having to carry my MP3 player (Rio600).

More updates to follow.

David

[Jeffry]

I have a TJ35 also...

Although I like its stylish form factor, I wonder if anybody finds the TJ35 uncomfortable to hold (without the flip cover)?

[hotpaw4]

The sharper edges of the TJ35 case make it a little less comfortable to hold the TJ35 than, say a Palm Tungsten T, which has a more rounded side edge. But it's a pretty subtile difference.

I carry my TJ35 more often, because with it's flip cover it's noticeably thinner than the T|T with it's non-flip cover. I do miss Bluetooth and the voice recorder though...

[SlvrFalcon007]

Originally posted by riversen
I have a question... is there any way to get the sound utility from a TG50 to the TJ35? The fact that I cannot choose some of my current customizable alarms was very disappointing, but if I can get most of my desired app's back in the TJ35 and find a good stylus/pen combo then I might actually reconsider it again. Any thoughts?

Lemme tell you, a freind of mine purchased a TE a week ago, and after closing the flip cover numerous times there was significant wear. Even when he tried to repaint it, the coating came off, get the sturdier hardier tJ.

[hotpaw4]

Some people have reported the the words by the power switch on the TJ35 show wear or rub off. Maybe a little wax over the labels would help?

[flesh99]

When I noticed mine rubbing off I just sat here and completely removed them. I know what the switch does and now that side of TJ doesn't have white lettering cluttering up the nice chrome finish, after all I know what the darn switch does!

[daggerlee]

Originally posted by hotpaw4
Some people have reported the the words by the power switch on the TJ35 show wear or rub off. Maybe a little wax over the labels would help?

The wax would just wear off over time and make your fingers all slick every time you used it, you would have to constantly recoat it and there woudl be no telling if the wax would be compatible with the silkscreening or not.

To save it, put tape over it, if you care about how it looks, or just rub it all off. I don't think there's a happy medium

[DaveTN]

"Power" and "Hold" wore off my TJ in less than a week. :(

David

[DigitalOverlord]

Mine are almost gone too! Don't need them though and I will live.

[Unregistered]

Ive had my TJ-35 for less than a week, and the backlight is already broke, im so angry i might just get the te, but i think i might get the TG-50, anyone have an opinon on those? are they better than the TJ-35?

[DaveTN]

My Backlight just died Wednesday. Exactly two weeks to the day after purchase. See the "Bad Backlight" thread for more info on my experience.

David.

[SlvrFalcon007]

damn

[hotpaw4]

Well (knock on wood)... my TJ35 is 5 weeks old and the backlight still seem OK so far. Turns on and off by holding the power switch down for 4 seconds.

[Rick 098]

Only some of the units were affected, somewhere I read that sony was recalling/replacing all TJ-35's in a ceartain sereal # range.

[hotpaw4]

Rats. My TJ35's backlight still works just fine, but according to the web page:
http://sonydb.isomedia.com/perl/news-display.pl?news_id=31
a unit with its serial number (#30088XX) needs to get sent in for repair.

Has anyone got theirs from backlight repair back yet?

I'd almost rather that they give/sell me the backlight power cable and let me replace it myself.

[hotpaw4]

I dropped my TJ35 a few days ago. The backlight still works just fine. But the upper tap on the flip cover broke, and no longer clicks into the slot. I wonder if Sony sells spare flip covers?

[rsavage]

yes, here (http://www.sonystyle.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/en/-/USD/SY_DisplayProductInformation-Start;sid=IzqZTYtjc-qZTctujXuTRsRzWlkv-KOKUoo=?CategoryName=hp_ClieAccessories_TJSeries&ProductSKU=PEGACA33&Dept=hp) is one sony sells, but better then the standard one that comes with your tj.