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10-23-2003, 09:43 PM
Here's a pic of the TJ35 alone. Notice the LED charge status light. Cool!
The fabric in the upper left corner is part of a Tamrac digital camera bag. It's there to hold the flip cover open.
10-23-2003, 09:46 PM
Here's a pic of both the TJ35 and my beat up TE:
No contest in the fit and finish category.
10-23-2003, 09:57 PM
Finally, here's a pic comparing the TJ35's stylus (top) to that of the TE (bottom).
The TE's stylus is comfortable to me, but it's also what I am used to. I know many people call Sony styli "toothpicks", but the feel is much more solid than that. It IS thin and light, but still useful. Anyway, there will be aftermarket versions available, right? I posted the pic to satisfy the curiousity of members who have inquired about the stylus. Your decision.
I really recommend you compare the TE and TJ35 to each other in person. Holding the TJ35 is a treat.
10-23-2003, 10:47 PM
Thanks Michael! Those are great Pics!!! It was your post with the finish issue with the Tungsten E that Solidified my decision to get the TJ35. Can you comment on the screen brightness issue?
I have held and played with a TJ25 at work for about an hour and the screen was very nice, very sharp, although just a tiny bit darker than the TG50 I am used to..... but it is still a VERY useable screen both indoors and out.... Is the TJ35 screen the same as the TJ25? Thanks Again!!! Please post more pics!! I love it... Can't wait to get my TJ35!
10-23-2003, 10:53 PM
I would like to agree with mdlsimpson. What are your thoughts on the brightness. Also, does the better speaker seem much better (louder, clearer, better for the alarms, etc.)? I have confirmed that the speaker on the TJ35 is much better than the TJ25. Thanks again for the pictures. I will probably be buying one after all.
10-23-2003, 11:06 PM
I'm downloading Mark/Space's "The Missing Sync" at the moment. Can't wait to transfer everything to the Clie.
The orange LED just shut off, meaning the TJ35 is fully charged. Man, none of the Palms I owned (even the super expensive TT) had an LED indication of when charging was complete. That is a killer feature for me. The TE has no power LED at all.
I'm about to do side by side pics of the screens. I fully expect the TE to be brighter, but not enough to make me regret purchasing the TJ35. No matter the results, I'm keeping the Clie. It's exactly what I've been waiting for.
Thanks for your nice reply, by the way. I have found the ClieSource forums to be much more polite than the Palm forums I'm used to.
First impression is that, yes, the screen is a bit dimmer, but not in a way that makes it less usable. On the TE, as with the Z71, the white LEDs are visible when the PDA is held at a sharp angle. I can not see the LEDs at all on the TJ35, but maybe I'm just not looking in the right place.
Just tested the alarm, and it is MUCH louder than that of the TE at the same setting. That's a plus for me, as there are some days when my PDA is in my front pants pocket rather than my shirt pocket. The louder alarm compensates for thicker pants fabric and a greater distance from my ear. Important pluses in a fifth grade classroom.
10-23-2003, 11:17 PM
Very cool. I will be checking your post for your thoughts. I am sure the screen is dimmer. I fully expect this, but I am curious too if it is a little better than the TJ25. When you have had a chance to play with this for a few days, maybe you can post your thoughts on regarding this later. Thanks again for posting your thoughts!
10-24-2003, 03:24 AM
The SJ33 used to come with a plug adapter so that you could plug in the charger directly into an outlet overseas (Europe).
Does the TJ35 come with this adapter too? It's not mentioned in the pdf spec sheet for TJ35. :confused:
10-24-2003, 03:33 AM
cool, keep the picture comparisons coming :)
10-24-2003, 10:55 PM
schmidt, I have a question for you. I just bought my TJ35 and am wondering if this is true for you. My little stylus does not seem to work the way I think it is suppose to. When I pull it out, it does not lock in place like the demo TJ25 model did in the fully extended way. I have to pull on both ends to get it to do so. I did not have to do this with any of the demos at Circuit City, Fry's, or any other electronic store. Did you have this problem, too? Am I just smoking something I shouldn't or isn't this the way it is suppose to work? Thanks for your thoughts.
10-24-2003, 11:03 PM
the stylus is the same "toothpick" stylus as the NX80 stylus.... initially, my stylus did lock in place on pulling it out....however, it became like yours, I had to pull on both ends to get it to lock after about a month's use. Think it's due to the stylus slot becoming slightly looser due to normal usage... some new units may have the stylus slot to be not tight enough to make the stylus lock on release from the beginning....
it shouldn't be a defect with the stylus unless it can't even lock when you pull both ends.
Thanks for the pics... the beat up TE is really an eye opener, perhaps the deal breaker for some!
My stylus is the same too. Will only lock if I pull both ends.
I dont think its defective. Just design error perhaps.
In any case, its too small, that is why I rather use a proper pen stylus whenever I can. The stylus is useful when there's no other choice...
10-25-2003, 03:34 AM
Day one with the TJ35 has me a little bummed. Spoiled by the bright TE and Z71 displays, the darker (grayish to me, as opposed to white) display of the TJ35 bothered me today. I don't think it would have bothered me at all, had I not been used to the brighter displays of the Palms. I kept wondering if I had the brightness all the way up, and indeed I checked this several times.
I work in a very well lit room, which may have something to do with my initial impressions. The TJ35 seems to look better to me in moderate lighting, such as here at home on my desk. In a classroom full of flourescent lights and sunlit windows, however, I really missed the Palm displays.
The low powered Ir caused a co-worker some consternation this morning as she was beaming BigClock and a few demo games from the TJ35 to her Sony NX(?). I didn't notice exactly which Clie she had (I was setting up networking for another co-worker), but it had a long flip out screen, a camera, and virtual Grafitti. She had to hold the TJ35 right next to her Clie, and at an angle, to get them to communicate. I'm not sure which Clie lacked the Ir power, but this was never an issue with any of my Palms.
The stylus didn't bother me, but I still prefer the thicker TE stylus which seems very much like the one I had with my M500, aside from the new finish. Size and weight are comparable. The TJ35's stylus snaps into the PDA snugly, but the thinner telescoping section is easily disturbed (loose) even in the PDA silo. To answer the question someone asked regarding whether or not I had to pull the stylus on both ends to get it to snap fully open, the answer is yes. Sony could learn from Palm's Tungsten T in this regard, as the TT has a wonderful telescoping stylus which is spring loaded, thicker, and solid.
One other niggle was the screen font used on the Clie. I like the bolder look of text presented on the Palms. The dimmer screen makes thinner fonts harder to read. A glance at the screen was not enough today. I had to focus on the screen much more than when using the TE to read student data.
Battery life "seemed" better than that of the TE, but I would need to use the TJ35 a few more days to really compare this.
All of this leaves me wishing for the best of both worlds (TJ35 and TE) in one PDA. I wish Palm had built the TE with the TJ35's build quality and given us the option of purchasing a cradle. I've already advised (politely, without seeming to beg) my wife that when such a PDA arrives, and I'm certain (okay, praying) this will happen within a few months, I'm upgrading again.
I'm back to using the TE. I bought two TEs when they came out, one for me and one for my wife. She likes the Clie very much, with it's nice cover and cradle (the cradle arrived today). She is less concerned with the issues described above. I'm slowly convincing her that a PDA will indeed prove useful to her. So, I'm using the undamaged TE originally purchased for her, and she has the TJ35.
I'm posting this message because I don't want to sway anyone to buy one device over the other. It's a very personal choice. Again, as I posted previously, I recommend that you check these two devices out in person. Only then will you know which one is right for you. For me, neither meets all of my expectations, so I'm making due with the easily blemished TE (Grafitti 2 stickers cut to cover flip cover stitching) while my wife discovers the benefits of a PDA with the TJ35. Here's hoping spring brings an upgraded Tungsten E with a brilliant screen, tablet form, the build quality of an M500 and a cradle as an option. That's the PDA I really want, and I'm willing to pay more than $199 to get it.
I'm hoping someone comes out with a very nice alternative flip cover for the TE. I don't like the added thickness a case brings, which is one reason I opted to sell the Z71 when the TE became available. As for my "beat up TE", it is being put to use in my own household. My 3 year old loves the Kids Pack, and my 6 and 8 year old daughters love being able to use it (and the Tungsten T) to practice math and play games. I love not worrying about it getting scratched. As someone posted in another forum, that's one ugly PDA. :)
11-18-2003, 09:11 PM
eww, the T/E looks all scratched up, i compared the two, and the TJ wins, in style, size, weight, color, and decuma.
11-19-2003, 12:58 AM
My wife inherited the TJ35 from me, and so far she is not very happy. Her biggest complaint is with the stylus and with the pressure required to tap the screen as compared to the TE.
Yep, that TE was scratched up alright. My kids love it. I have a new one with no scratches. How? I used small, thin foam pads purchased from Home Depot (cabinet aisle) to protect the finish from the flip cover's stitching. I applied the pads to the offending stitching areas. None were needed at the button area. Works like a charm. Sure, it's not an elegant solution, but the TE is just so much better for me, so it's a good compromise. I've even played volleyball during our after school program, forgetting that I had the TE in my pants pocket. Not one scratch suffered yet. The foam pads really do work. Palm needs to supply a new flip cover which is lined with such material, at least on the side facing the TE. I'd buy it!
As for my wife and her TJ35, I'm trying to convince her that a Palm Combo Stylus (stylus, pen, laser pointer, flash light) might be a good idea. She can keep it in her purse and use the supplied Clie stylus in a pinch. Of course, if she remains unhappy, we will resort to selling the TJ35 on eBay.
I missed the bright TE screen too much. Helps so much in a brightly lit classroom. Even at its lowest setting, the TE is brighter than the TJ35 at its highest setting. I really wanted to like the TJ35, but I would have had to force myself to put up with what I felt were fundamental flaws (stylus, brightness). To me, your PDA should be a pleasure to use, not a struggle.
I'm glad you like your TJ35, however. If I had liked it as much as you do, I'd have saved a bit of cash spent replacing my first TE. For me, the replacement was well worth it, once I figured out how to protect my investment from Palm's poor finish and cover combination.
11-19-2003, 05:02 AM
and if you look at these two palms together, yes the brightness is distorted. However the colors remain crisp. I dont think a really high end bright pda would suit me. First they run out of batterires quickly, and second of all the hurt whenh you turn em on in a dark room. I am ordering mine finally tonight, so thanks for the info you all.
11-19-2003, 06:57 AM
I am expecting my TJ35 to arrive w/in the week. After reading the different posts, i want to try the TJ35 out for myself. I'll post my 2-cents when i give it my own test drive:D
11-19-2003, 04:09 PM
k sounds good, too the thread starter, have you experienced any backlight problems, and what is your serial
11-21-2003, 03:51 PM
The screen on the TJ is clearly not as bright as the TE, even with the TJ brightness set all the way up, and the TE brightness all the way down. Add to that the crappy stylus, and I'll take the Palm any day. It won't get scratched up if you simply take good care of it with a hardcase or flip cover modification like schmitts.
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