NX Series at 300 MHz

[EdfrmBrighthand]

Someone told me yesterday that a developer demonstrated at a San Jose PUG meeting this week an application that can change the speed of the NX series' processor from 100 MHz to 300 MHz.

Sorry I don't have any more details but I'm getting this secondhand.

[EdFrmBrighthand]

Just so I'm being clear, I know the processor is normally 200 MHz. The app can slow the processor down to save on battery life or speed it up to increase performance.

[OcellNuri]

That's awesome. I hope it fleshes out to be true. I know that simmilar apps have recently come out for several PPC devices, so it's great that they may be developing this stuff for the PalmOS5 devices as well. I think I could slow my NX down to 150mhz without really hurting too bad from the speed loss. It will be interesting to see how the different speeds affect battery life and application speed.

[oneeyesquare]

I would speed mine up and wear asbestos gloves...:D

[palmsolo]

I was going to ask about this because there are now about 4 of these utilities that will speed up or slow down the processor in my Dell Axim X5. Since both the Dell and the CLIE NX70 have StrongArm PXA250 processors I would think you could do the same with both. The apps do not actually overclock the processor as we know the other Palm OS4 apps do, but the processor is actually designed to go up to 300MHz and the utilities just take advantage of that. As long as you are just changing the CPU multipliers, the chip is running at a specified speed. The 400MHz XScale in my Dell actually can be sped up to 500MHz and down to 100MHz.

I have seen no reports of heat increase in any Pocket PC forums.

[oneeyesquare]

No, it'll really get unbearably hot... (sarcasm intended)



Seriously, I hope we do get such a utility. I don't know that I need it now, every thing runs quickly as it is, but ya never know....:D

[knowledge]

Palmsolo,
How do you like the dell axim x5? Was it worth the money? I have one on the way. I use my nx mostly for medical school and plan to use the dell mostly for games and entertainment. I also like the fact that you have dual expansion slots. Before the nx I had a compaq 3955. I wasn't impressed with the xscale processor speed on 3955 with some applications.

[palmsolo]

Considering I bought mine for only $240 after rebate and it is the 400MHz model, then I think it is worth the money. I am actually working on a review for PDAGeek and after about 4 day I am happy with it. I had a Jornada 568 for almost a year and a half before getting the Dell. The dual slots and removable battery were big selling points for me. I haven't tested the XScale much, but things sure seem faster to me (for example switching pages in Pocket Informant and switching between applications).

I love the CLIE for it's large wonderful display and since I read on the bus for 2+ hours a day it is used quite often. I have both so I can conduct reviews for the two sites I write for, PDAGeek and Pocket PC Life. I love both operating systems for different reasons and at this time find I use the CLIE mainly for reading, taking photos, and wireless surfing at home. I use the Dell for PIM stuff (funny huh?), the awesome Laridian Bible (I hope they come out with an OS5 full screen version with these functions) and some engineering stuff (AutoCad for example). I like the fact that I can use the Sony WiFi card in both too!

[oneeyesquare]

Palmsolo, Do you consider the surfing experience better on the Clie? Or are their other issues that lead you to use the Clie for surfing more?

[palmsolo]

The full screen surfing with NetFront is very nice and I rarely get page errors because I mainly surf sites from the Mazingo mobile directory or evMo directory and they are already formatted for the PDA display. Pocket Internet Explorer on the Pocket PC has many problems itself. I also find that surfing and page refreshes on my CLIE are faster.

[iJITSU]

Thought the NX series had Xscale ARM processors, not Strongarm. Isn't that correct?

[oneeyesquare]

Very interesting, Palm. Thanks!

[GoldenTiger]

Hmm... 300mhz would be great for Xcade!

[cbulock]

Originally posted by iJITSU
Thought the NX series had Xscale ARM processors, not Strongarm. Isn't that correct?

Yea, thats correct.

[bluguru]

Good!! Been runnin my ipaq 200 mhz at 300 mhz for a several weeks and waiting for the palm solution. Actually, I can now choose which application will run at whatever speed (i.e., 100-200-300mhz) I choose, depending upon whatever battery life I want thans to xscale.

[Jypsy]

Would this harm the NX in any way?

[Glacialeye]

I think it will be the same old story as when we used to use afterburner. All the components *should* not be damaged with the spped increase. But nobody gives you any warranty about that. However, overclocking about 15% won't damage anything anyway. That means 230 Mhz with no problems at all.
Also, I think the most important thing is that you can UNDERclock the device to save battery.

[foghead]

Technically this isn't overclocking in the traditional sense of speeding up the processor faster than it is intended to run. In the case of the XScale processor in the NX, it is designed to run at up to 300 Mhz. When you speed it up from 200 to 300 Mhz, you aren't changing anything else in the system, so the display, memory, and the bus are still running at the designed speed, and the processor is still running within Intels specs.

The XScale chips are also capable of being run at higher speeds and this would be true overclocking, but I don't think that this is what is being talked about here since I am the developer in question from the user group meeting, and no it isn't reliable yet. Hopefully in the next week or so I can get it working right. This is much easier to do on the PPC than on the NX.

Also, just to make it clear, I didn't demo the actual app to the group, but I did discuss progress with a number of people. I didn't think that a demo that included multiple hard resets (which was how well it was working that night) would have been very impressive. :p

[GoldenTiger]

Is this going to be a pay app or freeware? Also, what approximate price? I'm very interested in it...

[foghead]

Probably donation-ware. You like it, you pay. You don't pay, you still keep using it.

[n2ifp]

I'd rather see a replacement for PiDirect that was OS5 compatible. The speed of the NX is great, it's just slow loading apps from the memory stick.

[foghead]

Originally posted by n2ifp
I'd rather see a replacement for PiDirect that was OS5 compatible. The speed of the NX is great, it's just slow loading apps from the memory stick.
Me too - let me know when you finish it. :D

[aussie_nx70v]

has this app been developed yet?

[Drexer]

Foghead

Thanks that would be a great app. Please let me know when you get it done

JDC24@drexel.edu

[foghead]

It is in development.

That means that it is partially done, but not completely. If it was finished, it would be available.

This is pretty clear if you actually read the entire thread.

Notice, I didn't bring it up or announce it. It was done by EdfrmBrighthand who must have heard about it from one of the half-a-dozen people that I discussed it with at the SVPUG meeting last week.

I responded at this point only because the speculations that were already being voiced were far enough off base that it would have made it difficult for the actual app when I really was ready to talk about it.

BTW - one point that hasn't been made is that TurboX (the name may change), also has a control to slow the processor down to 100 Mhz. This should help battery life for a lot of apps that just don't need the performance

[terret]

I would gladly donate via paypal if this were developed.

I am interested in working with Flash on this handheld and running at 300mhz would be much better for processor intensive flash movies.

[jmg_NX21]

Me too, let us know... would be GLAD to $upport this app...

[redvette_ragtop]

Originally posted by foghead
Technically this isn't overclocking in the traditional sense of speeding up the processor faster than it is intended to run. In the case of the XScale processor in the NX, it is designed to run at up to 300 Mhz. When you speed it up from 200 to 300 Mhz, you aren't changing anything else in the system, so the display, memory, and the bus are still running at the designed speed, and the processor is still running within Intels specs.

I am wondering, then, if this is true, why aren't our NX's running at 300 Mhz?

[cbulock]

Originally posted by redvette_ragtop


I am wondering, then, if this is true, why aren't our NX's running at 300 Mhz?

My guess would be for battery reasons. 300MHz will be nice for some apps, but if it always ran at that speed, the battery life would be much shorter.

[foghead]

Originally posted by cbulock


My guess would be for battery reasons. 300MHz will be nice for some apps, but if it always ran at that speed, the battery life would be much shorter.
Yup

This is also why 100 Mhz would be great when you are just running the PIM apps or reading ebooks on a plane or any other time when you aren't really pushing the CPU but could use better battery life.

[OcellNuri]

Originally posted by foghead
BTW - one point that hasn't been made is that TurboX (the name may change), also has a control to slow the processor down to 100 Mhz. This should help battery life for a lot of apps that just don't need the performance

I actually made the first reply to this thread stating that I'd like to use this app to underclock :D Very exciting app. Good luck on it.

[Eric S]

Hmmmm.... another use for 100 Mhz is that Tank Pilot might just be playable again :)

BTW, foghead, thank you. When I saw the thread I considered writing something like that myself, but haven't been able to motivate myself to get back into programming for the last several weeks.

[iebnn]

Please let us choose which apps run at what speed, or else it is not very useful.

[dmale7]

I'm looking forward to this app as well. Thanks in advance!

[NiTeSHiFT]

BTW - one point that hasn't been made is that TurboX (the name may change), also has a control to slow the processor down to 100 Mhz. This should help battery life for a lot of apps that just don't need the performance

Well, if I get it right, the slowing down will be considerably if you use old Programs which have to run in POSE, but if you use programs for NATVIE OS5 and ARM, they shouldn't run much slower, or better said they should run faster on 100 Mhz as their OS4 Version running on OS5 at 200 MHz. Right?

I read on Gambit Software's site, that Liberty for example run in POSE at about the speed of a 40MHz OS4 Device. So 200 MHz (OS5) would be about 40Mhz (OS4) and 100 MHz OS5 Native Programm would be 100 MHz OS5 Native ;-) (sounds logic, doesn't it? ;-)

Hope you understand what I mean.

[NiTeSHiFT]

Btw, I wrote an eMail to MegaSoft2000 and they told me, that they are working on an OS5 Version of FastCPU. But they didn't tell me a planned release date.

Well, that means, if FastCPU should only support REAL overclocking, than you could possibly use TurboX for changing the speed to 300MHz and then using FastCPU for tuning it to 350 or sth like that ;-)

[iebnn]

niteshift they would not be able to work together. You'd most likely crash your device, or one of the apps would take priority and set the speed as what you chose in that application. They don't add to the current speed, they set it to a new speed.

[iebnn]

nitshift: POSE and PACE are two entirely different things. POSE isn't in OS5. It's an emulator for OS4 and below on the PC. PACE works entirely different from POSE.

[NiTeSHiFT]

Originally posted by iebnn
nitshift: POSE and PACE are two entirely different things. POSE isn't in OS5. It's an emulator for OS4 and below on the PC. PACE works entirely different from POSE.

Hi there,

Sorry I messed up the names ;-) I Meant PACE, the Dragonball-Emulator in OS5.
I know that POSE is the Palm OS Emulator for PC.

And concerning the thought with the 2 speed-managers, perhaps it's possible to include both options in one program: Setting the "Core"-Speed (100, 200, 300) and also overclock the CPU. The user could decide which one he wants to use and which one he needs. What about this idea? :-)

[IndyMCSE]

I would definitely want a program like this. FastCPU never worked right on my NR70V, but now that I have a NX, I'd like to try something new.

[cbulock]

NiteShift,

One thing about your example that an app running uder PACE at 200MHz is equal to 40MHz on an OS4 device is that different apps will run much differently under PACE. You were using Liberty for example and that is an app that uses the processor alot. Those kind of apps run worst under PACE, but would run best written in native ARM. Many apps make a lot of calls to the OS and since the OS is pure ARM, they will run even faster than a 40MHz OS4 device even under PACE. Those apps will get the most benift from underclocking while apps like Liberty will get the most benifit from overclocking. (Did that make any sense :confused: )

[OcellNuri]

Thanks cbulock, I was going to write the same thing, but you saved me some words. Sounded good to me.

Different apps put different load on the CPU, different types of calculations. PACE has different speeds depending on what type of work is being done through it.


PS - I tried Phoinix on my NX and I was getting the double mini-screen you get when running low res apps in hi-res on the Clie... Does Liberty work?

[mashoutposse]

Foghead: Let me know if you need a beta tester/guinea pig -- mashoutposse@yahoo.com

[NiTeSHiFT]

Hi,
Thanks cbulock & OcellNuri. Does that mean, that if I would have a DateBK5 which is OS4 native would run faster on an OS5 200 MHz machine than a DateBK5 which WOULD be OS5 native and would run on an 100 MHz machine? You know what I wanna say? The same app for OS4 in PACE on a 200 MHz machine and as a OS5 app directly on an OS5 machine with 100 MHz means the OS4 Version in PACE would be faster? (I know it sounds confusing).

[cbulock]

Originally posted by NiTeSHiFT
Hi,
Thanks cbulock & OcellNuri. Does that mean, that if I would have a DateBK5 which is OS4 native would run faster on an OS5 200 MHz machine than a DateBK5 which WOULD be OS5 native and would run on an 100 MHz machine? You know what I wanna say? The same app for OS4 in PACE on a 200 MHz machine and as a OS5 app directly on an OS5 machine with 100 MHz means the OS4 Version in PACE would be faster? (I know it sounds confusing).

Not sure, but the OS4(non-armlet) version of an app like DateBk5 would run faster under PACE on a 200MHz ARM then say a 40MHz Dragonball or even a 66MHz one.

[IndyMCSE]

Foghead, can you give us an update on what's going on with the program? Are you having any indications of hardware problems with heat or anything? Are you having a lot of lock-ups requiring hard resets? I was just curious as to a small status report. I'm sure all who are watching this thread would also appreciate an update. Thanks in advance.

[Drexer]

If you need any help i bet there are people here that could do this

[foghead]

At this point, the basic code is done and I am just in a run, hard reset, change code, build, run loop. It would be easier except that there aren't any tools for debugging ARMlets that contain assembly code in them.

It is making progress, but the tricks that I am having to go through to get to the CPU coprocessor that controlls the clocks are pretty hairy.


For programmer types that might actually care, Intel implemented all of the clock controls through a coprocessor interface that is a basic part of the ARM architecture, and it is only accessible through assembly language. The inline assembler in CodeWarrior 9 doesn't support the pseudo opcodes that are used to access the coprocessor architecture. To do this, I am using GNU Assembler. Ther are also some issues that I have with the PalmSource GNU based ARMlet SDK that are keeping me from just using it. So basically, the only luck that I have had so far is to build a little chunk of machine code in GA and dump it into the ARMlet in the data segment and call it as a subroutine from inline assembly code in the ARMlet. I am also trying to dope out how to call a GA function directly from the Armlet, but I haven't been able to get all of the CPU and stack usage info for the CW ARM compiler.

If CodeWarrior understood the entire ARM instruction set, this would have probably been done days ago.

I will keep you posted.

[IndyMCSE]

Thank you for the quick update foghead. I look forward to more. Good luck figuring out the problems. I'm not a programmer type myself, but I understand some of what you are saying. Again, if you need any beta testers when it gets to that point, I'm sure you'll have a lot of takers.

[Sieve]

aaahhhheeeemmm


bump

[*YellowRose*]

Does anybody have any idea about a time frame for this app?  Sounds VERY interesting!!

 

[foghead]

It will be released as soon as I am confidant that it is stable. Considering what kind of gruesome stuff happens when it crashes, I think that you will be glad of this. When I am sure that it won't go south on you, I will upload it. I can say that it won't until at least Tuesday (probably Thursday or therabouts) since I am going to be out of town for the next couple of days.

[Drexer]

Do we have a name yet???

[mashoutposse]

I believe he called it TurboX.

[Drexer]

Is It done yet???

[SprSaiyan8]

hopfully they do the same for NZ that would be cool too

[Drexer]

do we have an update that i missed???

[bij]

ahhh!! i can't wait until this prog. is finished

[Massman82]

Foghead: A small update would be appreciated! :)

[fireants22]

i am dying for some extra bragging(speed)rights :)...my boss is always going on about how fast his toshiba-genio ppc is...

[bij]

foghead, any news yet on when its gonna be released? thx :)

i just cant wait!

[mormegil]

Quit pestering him. No updates is good, it means he's busy on it...right?

[foghead]

Actually it means that I got really frustrated the other day and had to put it down or else my monitor was going to fly out the nearest window. :(

After a couple of days of attitude adjustment, I am probably going to jump back into it tomorrow. There is real progress, it just feels like one step forward and two back (except for when it is three steps back.)

The good news is that I now know so many ways to make it not work. :p

[Massman82]

Originally posted by foghead
Actually it means that I got really frustrated the other day and had to put it down or else my monitor was going to fly out the nearest window. :(

After a couple of days of attitude adjustment, I am probably going to jump back into it tomorrow. There is real progress, it just feels like one step forward and two back (except for when it is three steps back.)

The good news is that I now know so many ways to make it not work. :p

Great news! Please keep us updated! :)

[GoldenTiger]

Keep going!! I really want to play Phoinix Gameboy Emulator at good speeds... runs at about .64x speed right now. 300mhz would put it at 100% normal speed :D!

[Drexer]

anyword yet on it foghead, Have you had a chance to work on it??

[mbriody]

Been quite a while now, any chance of an update please Foghead?

[Rick 098]

Originally posted by n2ifp
I'd rather see a replacement for PiDirect that was OS5 compatible. The speed of the NX is great, it's just slow loading apps from the memory stick.
Check out the T series speed at that . i upgraded and was amased at how fast it was

[sstrasser86]

when was this post started?

[iebnn]

sstrasser86 go look at the date on the first post.....

[aussie_nx70v]

no developements yet???

[n2ifp]

Originally posted by Rick 098

Check out the T series speed at that . i upgraded and was amased at how fast it was

Speed with the NX is really not an issue for me. Although on the slower Clie units yes speed was an issue.

[sstrasser86]

02-08-03 ok i know how to check it but it was late last night and i was really lazy

[iebnn]

It would be cool if he'd license out the code to other developers so they could make applications that automatically increase the clock speed when they are run (mostly for games that would need the faster cpu speed). I'd use it myself for slowing down most applications.

[Alistar]

Any updates on this topic.

[n2ifp]

Haven't heard any, Foghead was working on it the last I had heard.

[Drexer]

any word??

[doc10house]

If there was word, it would be here. Let the man work, for Pete's sake.

[pruss]

Dumb question: Why is this so hard that it takes so long for it to be developed? I would assume that such a thing would only be a few lines of assembly. Or has Intel made switching hard, or does OS5 try to switch back if one switches? (I guess I could download the xscale docs from Intel, but they're 28mb.)

[n2ifp]

Or did Sony make it super difficult?

For now my NX runs fine at 200MHz.

[T1000X]

I would like better performance and faster CPU then 200MHz, because when I play music, and try to play a game like Bejeweled or even Acid Solitaire the system slows down. I'd rather see a jump to 400 or 450MHz then 300MHz.

[akfreas]

Actually, the media (mp3, movies) is all processed by a separate chip. However, I remember when I had my N760, that if you did a benchmark while music was playing, it would have a slight impact on speed (5-7mhz) but I think that the NX would have even less.

[abosco]

That's probably because you were playing the game off the card while the music was also playing off the card. Thing is, a separate DSP and tons of MHz aside, you'll still be constrained by the same Memory Stick bottleneck the rest of us have. The best thing to do is to copy the program you want to run into RAM, and run it from there. When you're done with it, delete it or move it back, depending if you copied/moved it. Yes, the enhanced speed is well worth the five seconds to move the file.

[T1000X]

Nope, the game is in RAM and the music is on the card. I don't mind the slowdown, because it is only minor, but its there.

[abosco]

Hmm, that's odd. I honestly see no speed difference if it's playing music or not as long as the application I'm running is in RAM. If it's on the card, there's a drastic speed difference.

[n2ifp]

Originally posted by T1000X
I would like better performance and faster CPU then 200MHz, because when I play music, and try to play a game like Bejeweled or even Acid Solitaire the system slows down. I'd rather see a jump to 400 or 450MHz then 300MHz.

Right, and have the increased speed done natively, not pushed.

[Psamtik]

I think the single-chip OS5 devices take a bigger performance hit when playing MP3 in the background than the T665 did, with the audio proc. The benchmark scores in Speedy drop for a much larger percentage while playing MP3's for my TG60 than they did for the T665. Course, speedy might not be accurate for OS5, but it seems like the T665 was more effective at background play.

[nextyoyoma]

Yeah, I can't play bejeweled or Atomsmash with audioplayer going in the background. Really, all I can use with background play is docs to go and other similar programs.

[cbulock]

Yea, I noticed quite a bit of a performance hit while playing MP3's in the background. I would like to have the system speed increased to be able to play MP3's and apps at once.

[pruss]

(Actually, can't the PXA250 do 400mhz, too?)

I've been playing around with this thing. Alas, I don't know ARM assembly and it looks like, unlike the Tungsten, the NX runs in user mode. The user mode doesn't allow access to the xscale coprocessor 14 which controls the turbo mode. I don't know how to switch from user mode to supervisor mode. (Software interrupts effect the switch, so if one trapped a software interrupt, I guess that would do it. But that goes far beyond what I want to do myself in ARM assembly at this point.)

If one can switch to supervisor mode, it should all be very easy--just a few lines of assembly. But, alas, these few lines crash my NX in user mode.

[pruss]

Another thought. Running in user mode means that Sony can release a "300mhz" model just by changing a few lines of the ROM and optimizing the battery, while it's hard for us to do the same. Great for marketing. I am looking forward to someone getting around this, but am not going to try myself--I don't want to kill my nice NX70V. I'll stick to safe C-based armlets. (Talking of which, I've got an armlet that makes Plucker's text search be 12 times faster.)

[foghead]

After too many months of screwing around with this thing, I am throwing it away. It is possible to do the overclock, but the hardware I can't get the hardware stable enough to run much faster and still be reliable. I have tried it with a number of NX-60, NX-70, TG, and NZ units.

I can successfully overclock, but even at 233Mhz, it is liable to lock up solid at just about any time. At higher speeds, it just becomes worse. This is not really desirable behavior.

Sorry:(

[imadrin]

if overclocking isn't possible, can you underclock instead? I see a much greater potential for underclocking.

[keesercc]

we all appreciate your effort. Thanks for the try.

[pruss]

1. Is it possible to scale the processor speed reliably for a short time (say within a program, for some time-intensive calculation)?

2. Does this mean that you figured out how to get into the processor's Supervisor Mode? If so, how? Would you be willing to share source, since you're throwing it away?

3. Since the processor seems to be designed to be scaled to higher speeds, is it the other hardware that can't handle it?

[n2ifp]

Sony has made things difficult for everyone. The newer processors are now 400 MHz.

Foghead, Thanks for the supreme effort :)!

[lal2707]

This has been a very interesting thread - one day perhaps we can have an upgrade path for Clie like a normal desktop.

[qgent]

I used Netfront but tried to remove it from my NX70 too slow. using now Blazer but the screen is not full size as Netfront, does any one knows of another web browser that is fast and uses the entire screen of the NX?

[NiTeSHiFT]

Originally posted by qgent
I used Netfront but tried to remove it from my NX70 too slow. using now Blazer but the screen is not full size as Netfront, does any one knows of another web browser that is fast and uses the entire screen of the NX?

please open a new thread for such questions in the corresponding forum. thanks :)

[iebnn]

lal2707: Look at laptops. You can barely upgrade them at all. It's going to be a LONG, LONG time before you can upgrade a PDA like a desktop.

qgent: search palmgear for web browser, and try them out. there aren't that many of them

[lal2707]

Lebnn - with laptops you can upgrade processor upto a point, can add more RAM and other peripherals

I know for PDA it will be a long time but lets hope..

[n2ifp]

2 Developers now have Overclocking available

http://www.cliesource.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=19850

http://www.clievideo.com/

Lightspeed

Here's the revised info from the site:

Palm OS 5 XScale overclocking

- Overclock and Increase Performance
- Underclock and Increase Battery Life

Lightspeed lets you change the Bus clock frequency and CPU clock frequency on your Palm OS 5 device that has a intel XScale CPU.

- Increase the Bus clock frequency by as much as 200 percent!
- Set the CPU clock frequency to as high as 400 Mhz.

These settings can be changed individually for each software application.

For processor intensive applications - such as Games, Emulators, Image Viewers, Movie Players, Database applications, Map Viewers, 3D Graphic Renderers etcetera - the Bus clock and CPU clock can be set as high as possible to maximize the system performance and user experience.

For less processor intensive applications - such as PIM applications, Launchers, Ebook readers etcetera - the Bus clock and CPU clock can be set as low as possible to maximize the battery life.

The intel XScale CPU are designed by intel to be run at different CPU clock settings and Bus clock settings. Hence the 'Scale' part in XScale.

The different CPU clock settings and Bus clock settings have been tested thoroughly with each of the supported devices. The possible settings in Lightspeed are the ones that have been found very stable during testing and are somewhat different depending which of the supported devices Lightspeed is used with.

This version of Lightspeed supports the following devices:
Sony CLIE NX60
Sony CLIE NX70V
Sony CLIE NZ90V
Sony CLIE TG50

Support for the Sony CLIE NX73/80V will be available in a later version as soon as we have tested Lightspeed thoroughly with them.

Support for the Palm Tungsten C might be available in a later version

[jcvgolf]

http://www.cliesource.com/forums/sh...;threadid=19850

Lightspeed is causing fatal error's and resets.

[n2ifp]

Originally posted by jcvgolf
http://www.cliesource.com/forums/sh...;threadid=19850

Lightspeed is causing fatal error's and resets.

Not good, I'll check the link, Thanks!

BTW, someone sent this old thread here that I had posted on.

[jcvgolf]

Larry, I posted this same message in the other thread on this topic...http://www.cliesource.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=19850&perpage=15&pagenumber=15.

My apologies to Jonatan...he was right, at least in my case. Apparently, the "email" app icon (program that comes with the Onemail program) is somehow causing the errors. When I removed it from ram to a folder on my card (where Zlauncher could not see it) it worked. Unfortunately, I can't do without onemail, so unless it can be resolved, it just won't work for me. It should work for everyone else, though.

I have gone ahead and removed the offending icons (the onemail icon is a temporary thing since I use this daily). They all appeared to be balck and white icons...still, strange that this was not caught during the beta stages, but oh well. I sent Jonatan the app so he can look at it and hopefully find a work around. I'd like to see this work, whether I purchase it or not...who knows, the freeware works pretty good for what my needs are, but regardless, I'll help him out any way I can...this can only help the community.

[Eddy]

Lightspeed, or PXAClocker? :confused:
which one would be recommended for the NX70? thanks

[jcvgolf]

Depends...if your looking for something really simple with absolutely no frills, then PXA Clocker. However, I've been exchanging emails with Jonatan, and he seems like the kind of guy who is going to support the app, no matter what. Plus, it's got a lot more bells and whistles and potential. I'd personally like to see them both make it! If you need the bells and whistles, such as being able to control the speed for each app ala FastCpu, then Lightspeed is the way to go. Give them both a try! Just make sure not to go over 137 on the PXACLOCKER app and avoid the trials and tribulations (i.e. hard resets) that I and a few others went through. Good Luck!

JC

[Eddy]

Thanks JC, you really clearify things up in details. Now time for the bells & whistles I think, since I've tried the PXA Clocker already. :D

[imadrin]

overclocking netfront with lightspeed wasn't as effective as with pxa overclocking... same speed (theoretically) but it keeps freezing with lightspeed.

[clievideo]

Originally posted by imadrin
overclocking netfront with lightspeed wasn't as effective as with pxa overclocking... same speed (theoretically) but it keeps freezing with lightspeed.

Imadrin,

What model do you have, and what settings were you using with NetFront?

Thanks,

Jonatan

[n2ifp]

Hmm, we the ClieSource members went from nothing to several offerings in one day, amazing, but not complaining ;)!

[pruss]

Lightspeed works very nicely. I tested it with my unofficial benchmark--searching Thomas Aquinas's Summa Theologiae for "junk" (not found :-) ) with Plucker's armlet search. At the normal speed, the search takes about 49 seconds. At the low speed, it takes 1 min. At the highest speed, about 30 seconds. The text is on MS--a bigger change would show up otherwise.

What I want is an API so I can set Plucker to underclock for viewing and overclock for rendering and searching.

Alex

[pruss]

I take back the "Lightspeed works very nicely." I got a NULL handle error when deleting files in the classic view Launcher, and another one right after resetting softly, and another one in the Launcher after a warm reset, and ended up doing a hard reset. This may not have anything to do with Lightspeed (Lightspeed was not enabled for the Launcher, for instance), and I do run unstable software (I'm on the Plucker dev team) frequently so something else might have screwed things up.

Fortunately, I did a backup before installing Lightspeed. So should everyone, as they advise. But I thought I'd share this experience.

[Instigator]

Lightspeed has worked flawless for me...Im considering buying this app

[jcvgolf]

overclocking netfront with lightspeed wasn't as effective as with pxa overclocking... same speed (theoretically) but it keeps freezing with lightspeed

Remember that in PXA Clocker if you overclock, you are in fact overclocking EVERYTHING, whereas with Lightspeed, if you overclock just one file, i.e. Netfront, only that app will show an increase, which of course will not show up if you benchmark the system in SPeedy. Again, if your looking for bells and whistles, I really believe that Lightspeed is the way to go, if only for the effort by Jonatan and his interest in our comments and suggestions. Also, be aware, I am a BIG fan of PXA Clocker, but last night, I underclocked PXA to 100mhz to test to see if Audio Player would work, which it did! HOWEVER, I had a fatal error (hard reset) when I tried to exit, forgetting that I had background play enabled. Apparently, the system could not deal with the load...here is where Lightspeed shines, as you can selectively choose Audio Player to run at 100mhz while everything else is at something different. Sure, maybe the beta process should have been longer, or in this case, probably larger in user base, but the point is, as Larry so eloquently stated, that we went from nothing to 2 apps doing the same thing (give or take) in the same day. ALl I can say is WOW!

[clievideo]

I have uploaded version 1.0c of Lightspeed to the site.

Changes in 1.0c compared to 1.0:

- Fixed a bug when the Sony HR Library did not render certain black/white application icons correctly.

- Fixed so that Lightspeed can be executed from Flash ROM.

- The Flash Player seems to show inconsistencies when used together with Lightspeed according to reports. I have changed so that Flash Player will always run at the default speed for now. Might change this back after further investigation.

- Fixed a bug that caused various problems with certain apps such as VFSMark and Grafitti Anywhere and possibly others under certain situations. Most likely this is what caused problems for most users that were having problems with the 1.0 version.

I have had confirmation from a number of people that had problems using the 1.0 version that they are able to use 1.0c without any problems.

If someone here is still having problems with this version, I would appreciate it if you could contact me with the details of the problem.

Lightspeed v1.0c can be downloaded from http://www.clievideo.com/products/lightspeed.zip .

Thanks,

Jonatan

[pruss]

I can confirm that I could not duplicate my problem in 1.0c. I'm not going to buy until Lightspeed has an API, because in the app I use most (Plucker), I want the speed to vary depending on where in the program it is.

[n0m0n]

Originally posted by jcvgolf
Depends...if your looking for something really simple with absolutely no frills, then PXA Clocker. However, I've been exchanging emails with Jonatan, and he seems like the kind of guy who is going to support the app, no matter what. Plus, it's got a lot more bells and whistles and potential. I'd personally like to see them both make it! If you need the bells and whistles, such as being able to control the speed for each app ala FastCpu, then Lightspeed is the way to go. Give them both a try! Just make sure not to go over 137 on the PXACLOCKER app and avoid the trials and tribulations (i.e. hard resets) that I and a few others went through. Good Luck!

JC

Ive tried 1.0c version of LightSpeed.
Unlike 1.0 I haved not encountered the problems as of yet.
I would like to compair it to PXA Clocker.
I cant seem to find it I tried :
http://fearwall.hypermart.net/PXAClocker.prc

But the link does not seem to work for me.
Can someone please send me the app.
It looks like its free so it would not be illegal to send it would it?
Thanks

[cbulock]

That link appears to be working now.

[n0m0n]

Originally posted by cbulock
That link appears to be working now.


It stil isnt for me though thre is a differenct problem.
I now get rows and rows of the following on my screen:
%#*(@()%&*(%&#&!@(!$gFDJSDKTADGIUR*$

I think I have to right click and save as a page is that right???
I am using Win XP

[cbulock]

Do a right-click and then 'Save Target As'

[n0m0n]

Thanks I got it
Now can you explain this app.I know it overclockes but what do all the settings do?
There seem to be no info with this.