To keep or not to keep the NX...

[Otakud]

I've been an owner of a NX60 for 2 weeks, and an owner of a NX70v for two weeks, making for a grand total of 4 weeks of owning one of the NX's. Let me first begin by saying that I am not in any way disappointed with the NX and its performance. In fact, I like my NX very much. However, there are a few things that have been on my mind for a while which have kept me occupied thinking about a possible switch to another PDA. One of the main factors is cost. While the NX70v isn't $600 anymore, it certainly is the most expensive Palm OS system out there, especially after Palm dropped the price of its Tungsten to a more affordable $399. Also, following the price drop of the Tungsten came the audio update. The other lesser issue is size. I've considered switching to a T665C simply because it is a lot smaller, but after the Tungsten T's price drop, the $100 more for a more powerful and compact PDA seems quite attractive.

So now the question comes to which would be a better investment? The NX70v or the Palm Tungsten T. I understand that many of you might respond with such things as "well, it all depends on what you're going to be using your PDA for." In all truth, I really like the multimedia aspects of the NX (large screen, movie playing, digital camera, audio player with remote, etc). But I also consider the fact that the Tungsten is now $120-150 cheaper than the NX, sports a more supported memory format, now has better (though not superior) mp3 playback, and a smaller footprint.

Alas, it is unfortunate that I have been spoiled by the 320x480 screen of the NX series. This seems to be a major factor in holding me back from buying a Tungsten or T665C. (Also, the fact that I have 2 unopened Sandisk 128 MS and 1 Sony MSA-128 MS is a factor in me keeping one sort of Clie or another). I'm sure many of you are in the process of switching PDA's or have recently done so. I am curious as to why you went for an NX, or if you alternately switched to a Tungsten or another Palm-OS system.

I've done virtually all the research there is to do about the NX, T665, Tungsten as well as other PPC PDA's. So now it's a simple matter of figuring out exactly what it is that I want most. In any situation I will lose out on some aspect or feature. So here's my short list of features I care about on each unit:

NX70v
320x480 screen
Palm 5 OS
Best MP3 playback
Audio remote
Digital camera
(Already own 3 128 MS's)

Tungsten T
Much more compact
$120-$150 cheaper than NX70v
Palm 5 OS
SD memory expansion
potential for very good audio

T665C
Even more compact than the Tungsten
$100-$125 cheaper than Tungsten
NO Palm OS 5
Good audio w/ remote
(Already own 3 128 MS's)

That about covers everything. Please post your feedback! I am interested in hearing from a lot of different people (avid NX owner or not!). I will most likely make my decission within the next two days. TIA

[Phalanx]

Hmm...I don't know your financial situtation Otakud but if you already own the NX70V then the money issue shouldn't be a problem. All I can say is imagine yourself half a year from now. What PDA will be in your hand when you need to look up that one phone number? The Tungsten? What about when you want to listen to some tunes while waiting in line? The T665C? What about watching that preview for LOTR 3? With your NX70V? Whichever image in your mind of that moment pleases you the most, stick with that PDA.

BTW, if you do switch to the TT, will you consider selling me one of your memory sticks? :)

Anyways, good luck to you.

[tifosiv122]

Do you plan to sell the NX's or return them?

I ask because you will take a hit on an opened NX on ebay...even if you used it for only a week...you might end up buying the Palm and pocketing only $50 or so.

Erik

[markgm]

If you're asking in the NX group, on a Clie site, it's my guess most people would be in favor of keeping the NX, as we have strong views about it! I am not yet a member of the Panasonic2.4ghzsource.com board because I don't have an opinion either way. But with Clies, it's an obsession!

I too know how you look at it financially, but only you can answer the question. To me, it is a lot of factors that went into my upgrading every model that has come out because I like the new feature set and I enjoy knowing I own the latest product out. (Now all I need is a larger family to sell old palms to!) But this is coming from someone who feels that a product is obsolete when a newer product comes out. If there were a T665C with hires+, I would probably be able to see a better decision, but otherwise, I'd say stick with the NX. And know that once you do, it will drop in price $150!

[Otakud]

Originally posted by tifosiv122
Do you plan to sell the NX's or return them?

I ask because you will take a hit on an opened NX on ebay...even if you used it for only a week...you might end up buying the Palm and pocketing only $50 or so.

Erik

If I switched to a TT, I'd be exchanging my current NX for it and taking the price difference home in cash :D

Also, cost is an issue because to a college student, this is a relatively large investment. I am also aware that Sony intends to release a ton of PDA models this year, so the fact that I own a soon-to-be obsolete PDA is a little troubling to me (discontinued support as opposed to the actual technology becoming obsoluete...that happens everyday :) )

[Importluva]

Um, but you still have an NX70v? Why don't you just return the NX60 and keep the NX70v...

[Otakud]

Originally posted by Importluva
Um, but you still have an NX70v? Why don't you just return the NX60 and keep the NX70v...

No, I upgraded the NX60 to the NX70v.

[jmg_NX21]

DO you need the keyboard? The clamshell design?

I ALMOST bought the nr70v or the t665... but AFTER much research and just being impressed withe the OS5 and NX70, I KNEW for myself that IF I were to upgrade from a VISOR I needed to MAKE it worth my $$$$.
--hmmm NZ arrives 2 months later?--

I handled the TT. eh, not for me. I wasn't moved by it and NOT impressed with the design. BUT that is me.

320x480?
Nothing like it. AND I don't regret my decision.

DO YOU plan on upgrading anytime soon? I don't, I see my getting my $$$'s worth.

If you do, perhaps a little more money in your pocket is the way to go BECAUSE something new and SLIMMER is soon to arrive.

[Otakud]

Originally posted by jmg_NX21
DO you need the keyboard? The clamshell design?

I ALMOST bought the nr70v or the t665... but AFTER much research and just being impressed withe the OS5 and NX70, I KNEW for myself that IF I were to upgrade from a VISOR I needed to MAKE it worth my $$$$.
--hmmm NZ arrives 2 months later?--

I handled the TT. eh, not for me. I wasn't moved by it and NOT impressed with the design. BUT that is me.

320x480?
Nothing like it. AND I don't regret my decision.

DO YOU plan on upgrading anytime soon? I don't, I see my getting my $$$'s worth.

If you do, perhaps a little more money in your pocket is the way to go BECAUSE something new and SLIMMER is soon to arrive.

To me an upgrade in the near future is out of the question. I plan to get some decent milage on my next unit. Heck, I had my Palm Vx for about 3 years. I don't need a keyboard or a clamshell design. One of the reasons of "saving money" is to get something cheaper but will do a decent job of keeping me for another year or two. Then I can put down that extra cash towards my next PDA whenever Sony calms down and stops spitting out PDA's like there's no tomorrow.

[jmg_NX21]

What about the GARMIN unit?

non-clamshell design, GPS, 32MB internal memory :eek: *whoa*

Could you wait just a little bit for this unit?

DO you USE the camera?

[Otakud]

Originally posted by jmg_NX21
What about the GARMIN unit?

non-clamshell design, GPS, 32MB internal memory :eek: *whoa*

Could you wait just a little bit for this unit?

DO you USE the camera?

I'm not too interested in GPS seeing as how I rarely travel outside a 50 mile radius of my campus. Internal memory isn't a huge issue for me. What are the specs of this unit?

Also, I do use the camera...almost daily, but that's only a fun way for me to get the maxiumum value out of my NX. I post "Daily Clie Captures" on my personal website of things or people I encounter throughout the day. I try to keep it humerous and entertaining :)

[GoldenTiger]

Tungsten
Much more compact
$120-$150 cheaper than NX70v
Palm 5 OS
SD memory expansion
potential for very good audio

It's not much more compact once you put a case on it, which you have to unless you want a scratched-up screen. The NX has its own thanks to the clamshell. You also sacrifice the thumboard.

Price: You have a few MS's already... it'll cost money to buy SD cards.

SD memory: Compactflash may be coming to the Clie soon, which is a far better format.

Audio: The Clie's audio output is just as good as the TT's pretty much.

[n0m0n]

I did not notice if you listed this but if you have a need for speed then the NX is the way to go.
I know that I would notice the drop down from 200 mgz.
Thats 1 of the reasons I wont even consider switching back to a Palm at this point.

[Jypsy]

I personally went from a visor to the NX and i havent looked back or even with the Tungstons that i have toyed with i cant go without the large screen. I see it like this, if you can afford to buy the NX go for it, it has more potential in my opinion for expansion. and once you hit the 400-500 price range, a hundred bucks in any direction isnt a big deal. pay for the better one and it will stick with you longer. (i personally liked the rotating screen on the nx, because it can protect itself without the cost of an extra case.

[milmber]

Hi Otakud,
I just sold my T665C and I am upgrading to an NX70V. Why you might ask? Well it is more expensive I'll grant you that. But here are the pros and cons.


Pros:
Great screen
Will support memory stick pro ( the T665C wont - so your upgrade path stops dead in its tracks with it...)
200Mhz CPU
OS5
hires+
Camera ( Here in europe, everyone is going crazy over phones with cameras...personally, I think that you are going to see that more and more.Since the NX's camera is better quality than any phone out there - althought it is not even 1MP - it is quite usefull for a quick snap)
Video playback

Cons
Expensive Price of the unit itself & any accessories you might want
You will have to wait for MSPro
There is no guarantee of a CF driver ever being released for CF storage
Bluetooth/wifi is not built in ( But then again, do you want it built in?? Even with just bluetooth the battery drain on a PDA is incredible. )


So, to end it off, I'd say stick with the NX70V. Especially since ( as other people have mentioned - you will lose money if you sell it). If you feel the you absolutely have to change - look at the garmin ique. It really does look nice from the specs - but for me I'd rather wait for input from someone who actually has one before I buy it.

[Otakud]

Originally posted by milmber
Hi Otakud,
I just sold my T665C and I am upgrading to an NX70V. Why you might ask? Well it is more expensive I'll grant you that. But here are the pros and cons.

What made you decide on upgrading to the NX70v from the T665C? What aspects of the T665C were lacking for you to decide on the upgrade to the NX?

[milmber]

Upgradebility. The T665C wil not support MS Pro. Plus...as far as form factor is concerned, the NX70V is around 2cm longer than the T665C...so there is not that much of a difference to me.
If I had to put it down to 2 reasons...I'd say it was MS Pro support and the large screen on the NX70V

[omu]

as far as i understand your post, you are at this point:

- i like the nx 70's screen and like to play with its camera
- i got the accessories and memory-sticks for it

- i could sell it all, probably spend 100 USD, and still have a
pda that is working okay for me

- by this i would wait until sony brings out a model that "lasts"
longer, so that i can then enjoy a sony-model that is "up-to-date"
for a longer time.


if this is true, i think you already made your decision:
- You want a (sony) pda that "lasts" for a long time and keep it's value as good as possible

my opinion on it:
-> as far as I know sony, they're not gonna do it. you're gonna "stay hungry" and wait for your dream to come true, while the 100 USD saved are long time gone for something else...

Also to me it seems as if you're asking youreself (and us): Can I allow myself the "luxury" of the nx70 now, or should I be "rational" about it and save the 100 USD.

My opinion on that:
- If you already got the equipment, and you enjoy it, then KEEP IT. The value of the TT is going to go down fast as well, like with any pda. I would even turn it the other way round: If you decide to spend so much money as a student (never mind 50-100 more or less) - you should get something that's giving you the maximum fun and enjoyment.

This is my personal experience: I buy a quality product (mostly of which you could have got a cheaper alternative), but then, I ENJOY using it every single time I use it. This way, it makes sense for me and I also never regret it.

To me, the value of the pda ist exactely this: The "fun" and "luxury" of allowing myself this little "nice to have"-tool.

hope this helps in making your mind up

[n2ifp]

Originally posted by Otakud


To me an upgrade in the near future is out of the question. I plan to get some decent milage on my next unit. Heck, I had my Palm Vx for about 3 years. I don't need a keyboard or a clamshell design. One of the reasons of "saving money" is to get something cheaper but will do a decent job of keeping me for another year or two. Then I can put down that extra cash towards my next PDA whenever Sony calms down and stops spitting out PDA's like there's no tomorrow.

Hence the dilemma, your afraid of missing out on a newer model. That's like asking Toyota not to build anymore new cars until your ready or can afford to buy one.

[GoldenTiger]

Originally posted by n0m0n
I did not notice if you listed this but if you have a need for speed then the NX is the way to go.
I know that I would notice the drop down from 200 mgz.
Thats 1 of the reasons I wont even consider switching back to a Palm at this point.

 

Almost forgot about that... the NX is about 50% faster due to a combo of clock speed and IPC (instructions/clock cycle). Memory stick access is MUCH faster... I can load a 600kbyte app in 2-3 seconds, whereas a Tungsten would take a considerable amount longer. There are also a lot of games that run much more nicely on the NX, and spreadsheets/other apps run considerably quicker on the NX. There's also the matter of the bigger screen and extra 50% resolution vertically.

[stevejohnson460]

I faced a similar choice last week.

My T615C cratered under an extented service plan at Best Buy.  That model is no longer available, so they offered me three alternatives:


Wait to see if they could find a T665C (I waited about 10 days; no dice)
Take $400 in store credit (would have almost have bought the Tungsten)
Accept a NX60


The T665C was attractive: 66mh (twice what I had), same form factor, and all my accessories would still work.  There was, of course, the interminable wait . . . .

I went with the NX60.  And I'm pleased as punch: arguably the best screen in the pda world, a clamshell case that protects that screen without having to buy a case, and virtual Graffiti, which seems more accurate, and disappears when I don't need it.

But most of all, it's about speed.  I can put apps on the memory stick, and they run about as fast as they used to on the T615C's internal memory.  That means I have an effective RAM size of about 138 mb.

Why the NX60 over Tungsten?  Most of my accesssories are still just as useful: 2 memory sticks and a cradle represent a hefty investment.  (I am still waiting for drivers for my Belkin keyboard, though!). 

And the NX60 screen is simply drop-dead gorgeous.

[ccelada]

I'm changing from T665C to NX70V in a couple of weeks. I've own my T665C only for 4 months or so... And this is why:

1. The screen on the T665 is great... but knowing there is a better one out there, i want it! Can't wait to use VG, and see apps in 320x480.

2. MSPro Support. Even knowing the price they'll have, i still want a 1GB MSPro some day, so i can keep music, videos, PC files, etc. This will eventually become the way to take files from office to hame and viceversa.

3. Faster Processor and OS5. This is the best processor ther is in a palm device, and i don't like the PPC's i've seen.

4. I belive we have a chance to get CF drivers some day, so the expansion possibilities will be endless.

5. My wife wants a CLIE too, so this is the perfect opportunity to get a better one and give her my T665

I also have to point that i live in Guatemala (Central America), and you rarely see such a hi-tech device around here; in fact, i haven't seen any other T665 yet. And i only know of one person that owns an NR70... So then, i belive i'll have the best PalmOS PDA around for a while...

And... Why am I not changing to TT?

1. From what i've read... screen is not as good as T665s, and audio playback is not as good either

2. Don't like the idea of phisically hiding the graffiti area

3. I see no use for Bluethoot, since there is no such thing here yet, and there won't be for a while.

So... my opinion: Stick to the NX70.

[Otakud]

Just came back from Best Buy and Fry's electronics and here is what I found:
NX70v back up to $599.99 (why?!)
T665C still at $299.99
Tungsten T at $374.99
I fiddled with the T665C and Tungsten for a bit and after a short comparison came to realize that the T665C has a much better clarity although not as bright of a screen as the Tungsten. The Tungsten has noticable lines of resolution running throughout the screen, whereas the T665C looks just as good as my NX but just shorter in length. This is main factor in my decision at this point. I would pick the features of the Tungsten of the T665C any day, but I don't know if I can live with such a degreded LCD.

Since I bought my NX70v at $550, I'd be saving $175 if I went with the Tungsten and $250 if I went with the T665C. Of course, I'd have to sell my 3 memory sticks, but that will cover the cost of at least two SD/MMC carrds. Even if the T665C has a better screen, I'd likely pick the Tungsten over the T665C just because it's OS5 and a faster processer.

As far as size is concerned, I measured compared the NX to the Tungsten and it seems that the thickness is about the same and when in compact mode, the Tungsten is about 2cm or so shorter. (When I say thickness, I'm not comparing the extra thickness added by the CF slot). The T665C is slightly thinner than both other units, and the length isn't that much shorter than the NX.

I'll be doing more research tonight until I make my final decision tonight or later tomorrow. It's likely that I'll either stickw with the NX or switch to the Tungsten and sell all my MS's on ebay. Thanks for all your feedback, I hope to hear more from all of you throughout the rest of the day!

[Unregistered]

You're looking at the choice I've been debating for a couple of weeks now. I do development for PalmOS, and while the simulators are useful, there's nothing like having the real thing, so I'm buying a PalmOS 5.0 device as soon as the tax refund gets here.

My choices, perhaps obviously, are the TungstenT, the NX60, and the NX70, and in a couple of weeks, the NV90.

After much thinking, I've decided on the NX70.

Why? Well, it was an extremely hard decision. While I'm buying this to help with my development work, whatever I buy will also be the device I carry around for the next couple of years. The Tungsten is a great little device, and I really like the slide, making it more compact. Also, by default, the onscreen fonts are two pixels wide rather than one as on the Clie, and my eyesight being what it is, that makes a difference.

On the other hand, the Clies have MP3 support built in, a bigger, nicer, screen, and that font problem is fixable. They have a better speaker, as well. Less accessable memory, but I'm only using 6 of my 8 megs now, so 11 shouldn't be an issue.

I honestly don't think that the Tungsten is better than the Clie, or that the Clie is better than the Tungsten -- they really have different audiences. There's cross-over, of course, but in the end, the size alone pushes them toword different people.

In the end I finally decided on the NX for two fairly trivial reasons. First was the fact that I can put MP3s on it and have them work *now* not sometime in the future. But the thing that pushed it over the top for me was extremely trivial: I can record a voice memo and use it as an alarm (something I discovered in this forum). I'm looking forward to recording my son and using that as my alarm.

I'm getting the NX70 with the justification that I might add camera support to a new app -- but it's really for fun.

I think that if you like the multimedia apps, keep the NX70. The Tungsten's a great device, but I suspect the NX70 is more fun.

Sean.

[Jypsy]

The NX is really convienient when you wanna get that sudden shot of whatever, and it is quite clear.
Or if you need to remember something the voice recorder works well.

and for those of you that meet the technogeek of your dreams, instead of writing the number of that girl/guy you just met down, video them telling you it! they will go nuts!
so yes its all fun!
If you ever need to take insurance pics, or meet that celebrity on the street, you have the camera right there.

so in the end if its something you want for the future i would say the NX, but im biased for the bleeding edge. :)

[paqman]

My 2cents...

Actually, I have both units (bought the NX70V for myself back in november, got the TT as an xmas gift...). Wrote up a little "hands on review" at pda buzz.

Pdabuzz "Hands on the Tungsten T pg 14" (http://forums.pdabuzz.net/showthread.php?threadid=43105&perpage=15&highlight=hands%20on&pagenumber=14)

[reactor18]

Otakud,

It all comes down to usage. If you USE what the NX70v has to offer, then keep it. But frankly (appologies for the bad grammer), if you don't use the camera and it's functions, then get a cheaper PDA! Your paying a premium for a Palm device that is pushed to the limit in an entertainment direction, but all of those 'bells and whistles' (the camera, screen, MP3 player, ect.) aren't nessesary for what this 'organizer' does best, keep track of your life.

Frankly, I have never understood why Sony has even bothered to release camera-absent versions of their most pricey PDA. It seems as though your paying FOR the extras because you want them, are using them or just want the latest and can afford them!

What ever you choose, have fun with it! :D

[Otakud]

Okay here's the deal...
I have my hands on a Tungsten T for the time being. I'm checking the unit out, and so far I'm quite impressed by it. After downloading the audio patch, the sound seems decent (not nearly as good as the NX but the Real One player might change this sooner or later). No video other than kinoma, but I didn't really care for video too much anyway. Since I'd probably be using this device for MP3 a lot, I'm a little picky when it comes to audio quality. Not to say that the quality is completely unacceptable, but I must admit that I don't have to listen too closely to tell that a) there's no bass boost currently available which gives it a hallow sound and b) The sound seems slightly muffled. I'm still spending some time listening to some tunes on the two different 3rd party mp3 player programs for the TT, so I'll give more details and comparisons later. Also, the secure digital format seems to be very slow, or the TT is just extremely slow in transferring files via hot sync. It takes forever to transfer songs from my hard drive to the SD card! This is a little disappointing, but an annoyance I can live with. That's it for now.

One last thing, the screen seems to be on par with that of a Clie T665C. The demo version I had checked out at the store must have been damaged as the screen had horizontal lines running through it...there are none on my TT.

Thanks again for all the replies!

[Otakud]

By the way...if you have any questions regarding the TT, please go ahead and ask away while I still have it! :) Who knows, may end up back at the NX70 or 60 :P

[Clietivity]

Originally posted by Otakud
I've been an owner of a NX60 for 2 weeks, and an owner of a NX70v for two weeks, making for a grand total of 4 weeks of owning one of the NX's. Let me first begin by saying that I am not in any way disappointed with the NX and its performance. In fact, I like my NX very much. However, there are a few things that have been on my mind for a while which have kept me occupied thinking about a possible switch to another PDA. One of the main factors is cost. While the NX70v isn't $600 anymore, it certainly is the most expensive Palm OS system out there, especially after Palm dropped the price of its Tungsten to a more affordable $399. Also, following the price drop of the Tungsten came the audio update. The other lesser issue is size. I've considered switching to a T665C simply because it is a lot smaller, but after the Tungsten T's price drop, the $100 more for a more powerful and compact PDA seems quite attractive.

So now the question comes to which would be a better investment? The NX70v or the Palm Tungsten T. I understand that many of you might respond with such things as "well, it all depends on what you're going to be using your PDA for." In all truth, I really like the multimedia aspects of the NX (large screen, movie playing, digital camera, audio player with remote, etc). But I also consider the fact that the Tungsten is now $120-150 cheaper than the NX, sports a more supported memory format, now has better (though not superior) mp3 playback, and a smaller footprint.

Alas, it is unfortunate that I have been spoiled by the 320x480 screen of the NX series. This seems to be a major factor in holding me back from buying a Tungsten or T665C. (Also, the fact that I have 2 unopened Sandisk 128 MS and 1 Sony MSA-128 MS is a factor in me keeping one sort of Clie or another). I'm sure many of you are in the process of switching PDA's or have recently done so. I am curious as to why you went for an NX, or if you alternately switched to a Tungsten or another Palm-OS system.

I've done virtually all the research there is to do about the NX, T665, Tungsten as well as other PPC PDA's. So now it's a simple matter of figuring out exactly what it is that I want most. In any situation I will lose out on some aspect or feature. So here's my short list of features I care about on each unit:

NX70v
320x480 screen
Palm 5 OS
Best MP3 playback
Audio remote
Digital camera
(Already own 3 128 MS's)

Tungsten T
Much more compact
$120-$150 cheaper than NX70v
Palm 5 OS
SD memory expansion
potential for very good audio

T665C
Even more compact than the Tungsten
$100-$125 cheaper than Tungsten
NO Palm OS 5
Good audio w/ remote
(Already own 3 128 MS's)

That about covers everything. Please post your feedback! I am interested in hearing from a lot of different people (avid NX owner or not!). I will most likely make my decission within the next two days. TIA




Buy all of them and be a spoiled brat! Hee Hee :D

[Clietivity]

Okay, here's my opinion:

1. I have a NX70V I use it for my work. And, I love it! Because with the built in camera, I can take snap shots of everything I found interesting (yes, pretty chics is very interesting...) Just the other day I manage to take a snap shots of a totally burnt Mercedes E class on the side of the road! The audio and the screen is top notch, the only complaint is the useless CF slot that contributed the bulk and that stingy 11 MB for a Multimedia PDA, I am sure the Sony designer is smoking grass while designing NX. ( The NZ designer on the other hand, is taking sleep pills!)

2. If you like something compact and don't mind the temporary less supported OS5 as well as the slightly inferior audio... Go with the Tungsten T, with $399 price tag I will love to get one for my everyday palm (sorry! no chic photo with this one! ) I still think PDA should be compact and portable, that's why I still miss the M515 which I can use with a wallet case. With a software, you don't even have to slide it open to jot notes. The navigation button is very useful though I still miss the jog dial. Tungsten is a balance between both NX and a T665 to me. Oh! my Sony Ericsson T68 is dying to have a bluetooth affair with the Tungsten!

3. If I am dead broke and I need an impressive and compact color PDA, T665 (uh! the limited orange T665 please!) will definitely be my choice. Hell, with $125 cheaper than Tungsten, I got everything; audio, screen, mp3 and the size... with only exception of an better battery, bluetooth, voice recorder, a speedy CPU and the OS5. I don't know about you guys but T665 still look sexy to me. Sony have obviously spent more cost on making this baby... look at the chrome jog dial and the back button ( even the back button my Gun metal NX is made of cheapy plastic!) And... the slim body... Alright, the audio is breathtaking and screen is beautiful, the body is slim... Yeah, Yeah the battery is a little bit lame but it is still a comfortable PDA to put in your pocket and eye catching enough to show off to some chics!

[addict]

If I were you, I'd return the device(s), get your BestBuy credit, and wait for the next CLIE to come out that has all you want (hi-res+, mp3, os5), and none that you don't (wi-fi, keyboard, movies).

Seriously, if I could go back and do this, I would. For now, though, I'm pretty pleased with my NX60, even if I don't have a use for half of the multi-media apps locked in friggin ROM.

[Otakud]

Originally posted by addict
If I were you, I'd return the device(s), get your BestBuy credit, and wait for the next CLIE to come out that has all you want (hi-res+, mp3, os5), and none that you don't (wi-fi, keyboard, movies).

Seriously, if I could go back and do this, I would. For now, though, I'm pretty pleased with my NX60, even if I don't have a use for half of the multi-media apps locked in friggin ROM.

The problem is, this ideal situation will probably never be in the near future. The way sony is going, they won't release something that meets 100% of my desires and 0% of my dislikes. That's just not going to happen; not with Sony and not with any other handheld manufacturer. Maybe if I just wanted everything and had enough money to throw around then the "next best thing" would be my ideal unit. The only problem with that is there will always be "the next best thing" on the horizon, so you'll never be satisfied with what you have.

[Otakud]

For those who are interested...
My first day of use with the Tungsten T (apart from the NX70v):
From the moment I left my apartment to go to classes, I immediately noticed something: I don't feel anything in my pocket anymore..well, at least not something that keeps moving around and hitting my left every time I take a step (I carry my PDA in a side pants pocket). So off I go to classes.
After my first class, I used my TT for about 15 minutes before my next class started. The clear plastic cover was on the TT at the moment, so I was only accessing information, which was suprisingly easy and natural. I had no need to take out the stylus at all. Then I inputed some data, which required taking off the cover (an easy enough task), and extending the unit to reveal the graffiti area. I noticed a few people looking at me and the new TT, though it probably wasn't as eyepopping for them as my NX70v would have been.
After my second class I had an hour to fiddle around with the TT so I sat down and proceeded to listen to some MP3's while doing other things in the background. No problems at all. Surprisingly it handles playing MP3 in the background pretty well. I was able to use all my apps while having music in the background. All of this was done with the unit collapsed and with the plastic cover on. This felt a little awkward at first because I'm so used to flipping open the NX, turning the screen then folding it back down, then taking out the stylus to navigate the menus. With the TT I didn't even have to take the cover off or take out the stylus. When I got back at the end of the day, I noticed my battery was nearly at max, so an 30 minutes of multitasking with MP3 plus another 30 of just data access/input hardly made a dent in my power resources.

So far I'm enjoying the TT. It doesn't seem significantly slower than the NX as far as opening applications and such. I only noticed that it took some time to view images with the included software, but this may be a software issue. I'm loving the one-handed navigation and the convenience of the stylus location and design (no using my fingernail to take the stylus out the bottom of the NX). Later today, I will further evaluate MP3 for those concerned (MP3 is a big issue for me).