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soccrnj80

10-14-2003, 04:02 PM

I found a link for a tt3 for 320.00 from office max w/ coupons and codes. I currently have a ux-50, I upgraded from a tungsten c. I love the ux-50, I just miss the speed of the tc. I ordered the tt3, I received it today. I have to decide which one to keep. Anyone else have this same situation? I am going to really compare both pda's, and see which unit is better for me.

GADRAW

10-14-2003, 04:22 PM

soccrnj80,

I've never tried a tt3, but loving my ux50...i love it so much, i bought a 2nd one for my wife...

Here's a comparison of the UX50 and TT3 from cnet
http://reviews.cnet.com/4504-3127_7-0.html?tag=pageNav&orderby=-7rvDte&qt=&id=30460776&id=30557627&x=44&y=6

the editor gave ux50 a score of 8.6 which is the highest score they've ever given to a pda (including pocket pc)

the tt3 received a score of 8.0

Jeepers

10-14-2003, 05:32 PM

I went through a thorough comparison myself in the same way and here's why I ended up keeping the UX. Some of this is a repeat from an earlier thread, but here goes:

. In terms of size and weight the UX is only slightly bigger and heavier, but the UX combines a camera, keyboard and wifi into that small package.

. The screen is smaller on UX, BUT with same resolution so it is sharper and actual readibility from the same distance is excellent. The stupid built-in sony fonts actually make the UX screen look smaller cause they are so light and scrawny. What I would recommend is putting fonts4UX on the UX and pick out the tungsten font which is more comparable to the T3. Then hold them both at the same distance and push them back further until it gets difficult to read. You'll won't notice much difference between the two in spite of the larger screen on the T3. Both have good brightness by the way, but the T3 I tried had an ugly yellow tint vs. the bright white on the UX.

. Both audio and video on the UX are superior to the T3 with smooth playback without the fuzzies and jerkiness you might be used to on PDAs. Watching video with earphones on the UX is movie theater quality. MP3s on the UX play beautifully with nice bass using the controls on the built in player. The automatic volume leveling on the UX and true bass boost, it sounds fantastic. I actually plugged my UX into my PC speakers and it sounded fabulous! The T3 sounded tinny by comparison. I tried very hard to make the T3 audio and video better, even using software other than the Kinoma player and the Real player on the T3 and it just never measured up to the UX. I assume this has to do with the fact that the built in software on the UX takes advantage of Sony's multimedia enhanced processor.

. So other than graphics I was wondering where the 400Mhz processor might actually be useful, since using it on the day to day PIM apps doesn't show any difference. So the two things which popped into my head which are processor hogs were spreadsheets and an application called Life-Balance uses a custom algorithm to manage all your to-do's. To test the spreadsheet capability, I created a sheet with 500 lines and about 6 columns if I remember correctly. Each cell was a calculation based off another cell in the sheet, so not necessarily what you would be using day-to-day, but I wanted something big. When I changed the starting value, the recalc on the UX took about 70 seconds and the T3 did it in about 34 seconds, so roughly twice as fast for that. Now most people would assume that with a 400Mhz processor vs. the UX 128Mhz it would be more than three times as fast, but there are so many other factors involved such as memory speed, bus interfaces, etc. that you can't just go by MHz. With Life Balance, I loaded that up with over 1,500 records and pressed the update button which runs through all the records and calculates the relative importance of each entry and here the UX actually completed well ahead of the T3. I have no explanation why, but it did. LB also provides a graph of where you are spending your time which on my old palm took a little while to complete and by comparison, both the UX and T3 did this in a few seconds with the T3 about 1 second ahead of the UX.

I also ran the Warfare Incorporated game on both when the opening screens pop up there are menu's which merge together from both sides. On the UX they merged smoothly and on the T3 they were a bit jerky. Not sure why, but somehow their software must also work well with the Sony engine.

So the net of this is that the UX has pleny of horsepower for applications and even better performance on the audio and video side.

. I also like the voice recorder better with both adjustments for high and low noise environments with clear playback as well as a short and long play option.

. The UX has a feature to back up the 16MB of standard RAM right on the unit....very handy for emergencies plus another 29mb of non-volatile ram where you can store files(including) mp3s and run programs. To play ANY mp3s on the t3 you need an sd card.

. The UX also has an excellent file mgt utilities with built in zip support which lets you view and manipulate your files in a tree structure. T3 comes with nothing like that.

. Another UX utility lets you use the memory stick as another drive when connected to your pc.

. The T3 does come with Docs to go, but does not include the spreadsheet charting function, mail, or picture program. So if you want any of these you have buy an upgrade from dataviz which I believe was $29 last time I checked.

. Did not like the construction of the t3 compared to the ux. The magnesium alloy on the UX not only looks better but should stand up well over time.

. With only one sd slot I didn't want to constantly swapping sd cards between wifi, music, etc. (besides the fact that I believe san disk hasn't come out with os5 drivers for their wifi card yet. I've also gotten excellent range out of the built in wi-fi, just a little bit shy of my laptop wi-fi card range.

. Higher memory capacities available for memory stick vs. sd plus compatibility with other Sony A/V products.

. Having the clamshell design is incredibly convenient. Wherever I am I just open up my little baby and wha-la....instant mini laptop displayed right where I want it. I was never a fan of keyboards or clamshell design until I started using this unit. Now I don't know how I lived without it. Much better than using grafitti fyi. I love just leaving it open on my desk and typing at a brisk pace when I need to input something. I also like the Photo stand software which I use when I'm using my PC or doing some other desk work which will display any pictures you want as a background with a clock and calendar in the foreground. You can also bring up an audio controller by tapping on the screen to play music without leaving photo stand app.

. Now comparing the T3, unless you have it proped up in your charger or a portable keyboard (something else to lug around) it just lies on the desk and you have to keep picking up grabbing a stylus, and putting it down. With the UX I can use it without picking it up, or I can easily pick it up to hold it closer without prying it out of some keyboard holder. Then there's the slider....uggh... When I want to use the landscape feature of the T3, step one: pick it up, step two: open slider, step three: change to landscape orientation, then reverse the process. The UX steps....one: look down at the screen. I know I'm getting picky here, but when you use the PDA a lot these things get more important.

. Full one year warranty on the UX after registering.

Hopefully this should give you some food for thought.

P.S. . Other apps which also help out by the way are KeyQuick for enhancing keyboard functions and CodeDiver for full screen access on apps.

Cheers,
Greg

Ricoh Tek

10-14-2003, 06:15 PM

Originally posted by soccrnj80
I found a link for a tt3 for 320.00 from office max w/ coupons and codes. I currently have a ux-50, I upgraded from a tungsten c. I love the ux-50, I just miss the speed of the tc. I ordered the tt3, I received it today. I have to decide which one to keep. Anyone else have this same situation? I am going to really compare both pda's, and see which unit is better for me.
Well Brother or Sister as the case may be, ;) I am in the same boat right now. I laid hands on a T3 today that had Docs2Go on it. It was SO NICE to be able to use lanscape mode without having to open, close and reopen the document to get it INTO lanscape mode ala Codiver. The screen is much bigger on the T3 and I must admit, Palm did a nice job on this unit.
I was bluetooth sending games and files with my UX to the T3 with no problems at 50 feet (give or take a foot).
It dosen't have 802.11 but I can't use that at my office anyhow because of our network structure and the Sony patch doesn't work for me.
The camera is cheesy but is MUCH better than the Zire71.
I have a cheap 3 megapixel camera with flash and zoom so I really won't miss the camera that much.
Sorry I cannot offer any words of wisdom as I too am stumped on what to do.

soccrnj80

10-14-2003, 06:23 PM

Thanks, I know the screen on the tt3 is awesome. I do miss not having a keyboard, but I just set my tt3 back to graffiti 1, so I am much quicker. I am trying out alot of apps.

Ricoh Tek

10-14-2003, 06:28 PM

where did you find these......'coupons'? :D

Rafterman11

10-14-2003, 08:59 PM

Originally posted by Ricoh Tek

It was SO NICE to be able to use lanscape mode without having to open, close and reopen the document to get it INTO lanscape mode ala Codiver.

I have the same problem, but noticed something weird. If I open a native Office doc, I have to do the open-close-open trick. But if I open a Docs to Go converted format file, it opens immediately in landscape with CodeDiver. Strange.

Unregistered

10-14-2003, 09:02 PM

I think you really have to go by what is more functional for your daily usage. For me, I use my UX for so many things. I ove having it all integrated and each component works very well. I am very mobile so it is great to just set up shop wherever I am. I've also found I can enter text much faster with the UX keyboard than grafitti 1 or 2 or those teeny thumboards. I would never attempt writing an entire document with grafitti, but I 've been able to do just that with the big UX keyboard!

I also have a 3 megapixel camera, but I have my UX with me everywhere, so it's great to able get spur of the moment shots with UX.

In addition I would think that dataviz will be coming out with native support for the UX50 since if they won't, their competitors will. So I wouldn't base my decision on that.

But everyone's needs are different......

samnjoe

10-14-2003, 09:20 PM

I have both the UX-50 and the T3.  I've HAD both for quite awhile.  In fact, I'm a bit of a techie geek.  (I have nine handhelds:  Tungsten T/T2/T3, Sony Clie UX-50, Clie PEG-T615C, Handspring Treo 90, Handspring Prism, and the old standby Palm VII, and an in-the-box Zire bw/basic).

Anyway -- I've had the UX-50 for two weeks longer than the T3, and have had AMPLE opportunity to explore and dig deep into the pros and cons.

My choice?  You know ... if I knew the answer ... I'd quit carrying both of them around.

The front-runner?  Well, it's neck and neck, day to day, week to week.  One pulls ahead, the other catches up.  The obviously both have their high points and their drawbacks.  It's quite a personal choice.

One thing is FOR CERTAIN.  This thread -- http://www.cliesource.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=29231 -- has made it so that the UX-50 has CAUGHT UP in the 'usable memory' category.  And having made that tremendous leap ... it's got quite a bit of LEAD over the T3 now.

Yeah, sure, the T3 can rotate the screen, has a bigger display, awesome speed, incredible picture, blah blah.  But the UX-50 is sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo sweet.

 :cool:

Rafterman11

10-14-2003, 09:24 PM

Now, PDAGeek is reporting that the T3 may have display problems too. Different units have different levels of brightness and some have haziness around the edges.

samnjoe

10-14-2003, 09:32 PM

Oh yeah.  Forgot to mention.  The T3 fried TWO of my SD cards (256mb and 64mb) on the first day. SanDisk.

Bought a Lexar 256mb -- all's fine with that one so far.

Now THERE's a SERIOUS downside.

 :mad:

Jeepers

10-14-2003, 09:38 PM

Yikes!

After reading some of the fallout on screen issues and SD cards, even if I wanted a T3, I think I'd hold off on getting one until they work out the bugs.

phoneboy101

10-14-2003, 09:53 PM

I'm very anxious to get one or the other, but I've been deadlocked for weeks. I might just have to wait until Sony releases a patch for portrait mode (might never happen), for Dataviz to release a Docs to Go update (who knows how long that will take), or for Sony to make their first price drop. I'd prefer all three to happen, but any one of them might push me over the edge.

I'd really like to see a UX-55 (or whatever is next) with more than 16MB of regular operating RAM, and a larger screen with four application buttons at the side (bottom when in portrait mode) of the screen.

That said, the UX-50 is definately superior. If the prices of the T3 and UX-50 were closer together it would be an easy decision.

samnjoe

10-14-2003, 09:59 PM

[QUOTEI'd really like to see a UX-55 (or whatever is next) with more than 16MB of regular operating RAM, and a larger screen with four application buttons at the side (bottom when in portrait mode) of the screen.[/QUOTE]

Don't forget that the the UX-50 has another 32mb of  "internal memory" that functions just about like "regular" RAM.  Programs can be moved and launched from there as easily as anything, due to the 'built-in short-cut function."

THAT was the leap that made my UX-50 so much sweeter!

There's a whole, incredibly informative thread with the info:  http://www.cliesource.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=29231.

Jeepers

10-14-2003, 10:03 PM

Plus you can program up to 10 keys using ctrl+number key to activate any applications you want:)

P.S. Every time I watch the Dolphin sample video at high quality on my UX, I fall in love all over again..... Just compare that to a T3 video....yickkkk.

crazy_smeggie

10-14-2003, 10:07 PM

IN MY HUMBLE OPINION:

You are just not going to do any better than a Sony. Yeah, they're expensive and yeah, they're not perfect. But I'll tell you - you will never have those kinds of problems with a Sony Clie.

The UX is the best available Palm OS unit. Period.

Stepping down,

SMEGGIE:D

Ricoh Tek

10-14-2003, 10:59 PM

You know, there are some valid points here. There are several threads on different site in regards to the T3 zapping SD cards and Palm is 'looking into' the issue. Now I hear and see...that there are screen quality issues. Well guess what? There are also digitizer issues. The one I sampled had a dead area at the bottom of the screen in potrait mode. Rezoned ot twice and still unsensitive in certain areas. Didn't Palm have digitizer problems with other models, IIIC?
Yeah, I think I'll keep my UX50....after all, IT WORKS!

Rafterman11

10-14-2003, 11:35 PM

What is going on with Palm's quality control? The Tungsten C had problems with its keyboard "clicking" when you typed - a static sound would emit when you typed keys. From what I hear, its still not totally fixed. Not the T3. Strange. I love my HP PocketPC, but HP's quality control was problematic - but they are better than Palm now. But Sony beats them all. I have some design complaints about the UX50, but I haven't found a serious mechanical/electrical problem.

ExtremeSIMS

10-15-2003, 12:49 AM

Originally posted by Rafterman11
What is going on with Palm's quality control? The Tungsten C had problems with its keyboard "clicking" when you typed - a static sound would emit when you typed keys. From what I hear, its still not totally fixed. Not the T3. Strange. I love my HP PocketPC, but HP's quality control was problematic - but they are better than Palm now. But Sony beats them all. I have some design complaints about the UX50, but I haven't found a serious mechanical/electrical problem.

Arrgh - glad you mentioned that, since it caused me to look into the HP issues with iPaqs. I like the new HP4355 (keyboard), but now I am rethinking this!

abedirov

10-15-2003, 03:06 AM

I do not think that temporary issues with a new device should matter in the long run. Both Palm and Sony sometimes have issues with a new device, but they are normally resolved more or less quickly (if you want an example with Sony - check clieplanet and Shaun's saga with NX80 digitizer).

I am currently torn between UX and TT3. I would love to have a built in keyboard and wifi, but it is not critical for me. What critical is the ability to read books as I do this a lot with my current PDA.

Will I feel comfortable reading e-books on a UX small screen? Please share your experiense.

lmame

10-15-2003, 04:20 AM

There is another reason...

Some french guys just have done some really interesting benchmarks...

The T3 is 480*320 and 320*480, right?
BUT only the 320*480 is "hardware accelerated", the 480*320 is handled by software, not hardware, so all performances are divided by almost 5 !!

The Zodiac of Tapwave handles both modes with same performances...

You can fin the french thread here (http://forum.palmspirit.com/viewtopic.php?t=8026):

Benchmarks done with Kinoma:
Tapwave Zodiac:
- Portrait: 239.3 fps
- Landscape: 237.4 fps

UX-50:
File on RAM: 471 fps
File on VMS: 323,4 fps
File on MS: 229,1 fps

Palm T3:
- Portrait: 211,9 fps
- Landscape: 48,0

Sony Clié NX73:
158,3 fps

Palm TT:
122.1 fps

Sony Clié N770 :
30.7fps

(thanks to xav and c0mm0n for running the benchmarks).

gnaihc

10-15-2003, 04:53 AM

Hmm, that's very interesting. What happens when third party software rotates UX50's screen? Will that affect performance?

lmame

10-15-2003, 05:00 AM

Originally posted by gnaihc
Hmm, that's very interesting. What happens when third party software rotates UX50's screen? Will that affect performance?

It seems it is the case with mobipocket reader.
It is slower in portrait than in landscape view.

nlax

10-15-2003, 12:55 PM

FOr the ebook reader - there's another benefit you might want to consider. I'm also a heavy ebook reader, and I love putting my head on a pillow and putting the UX50 on a table by the bed, with auto-scroll on. The fact that the UX is a clam-shell design means that you can rest it on a flat surface and still have a vertical screen.

It's not a huge benefit - but I personally find it very handy. Combine this with the movie displaying abilities of the UX (also great for watching in bed) and you're all set with the clamshell design.

I guess you could do the same thing with the T3 by propping it up against something ... but I think you get the drift.

Otherwise I would say that ebooks would be great on both.

eskasi

10-15-2003, 02:45 PM

nlax....I do exactly the same thing with my Acer C110 tablet pc....heheh

The clamshell design rocks!

lmame

10-15-2003, 03:55 PM

A little and quite funny bug is reported on french forum on T3...

According to the way you do a reset (pressure on reset hole question), it is not a soft reset that you do (reboot), but a hard one (oh my god, you killed my memory...)...

Juicy bug I must say :p

sruckel

10-15-2003, 03:56 PM

I know that the T|3 is the new kid on the block, but the more apples to apples comparision would be the T|C from Palm to the UX series. both with keyboard etc.

I have a T|C but have not really spent time with the UX. Is this a better head-to-head?

lmame

10-15-2003, 03:56 PM

So I sum up:

I guess I prefer staying in landscape rather than having an "ultra slow" portrait mode... A Zodiac like would be cool, both modes are handled by hardware, not the case of the T3...

Oh, I did I mention the T3?

Here are some little reasons I'm laughing like a mad man when I see a T3:
If you want to have a "SD eater / toaster", buy a T3,
If you want to have a "barf bag software handled" portrait mode, buy a T3, (just 5 times slower)
If you want something with a yellow screen (like my old TV set of 15 years ago, may she rest in peace), buy a T3 (well, some T3 do have a decent screen but they are pretty noisy, some not),
If you want something you got to pull on to have 480*320, or 320*480, buy a T3 (prey it is not jamming and pay attention to your fingers),
If you want something that has less autonomy than an UX, buy a T3,
If you want something that was supposed to be twice as powerful as an UX and which is in fact it is just as powerful as an UX (even a bit less powerful on Kinoma and some tests), take a T3,
If you want to encode a DivX to play on T3 with Mmplayer, you got to encode it with a 90° rotation, else it will be dramatically slow,
If you want something that does a hard reset instead of a soft reset if you push too far on the reset hole, take a T3,

I must say the T3 is a magnificent piece of junk wasted Palm...
It ought to be a "Killer Palm", I guess PalmOne just forgot one or two things... Beta testing is one of the thing they missed... badly...
It is a little less expensive in japan or in US, but it isn't good value for money at all... Take a Zodiac instead, better and even cheaper...

I guess SONY people must be really laughing really loud now :) (perhaps it is the noise of the UX screen...)
:p

PDH LA

10-15-2003, 04:11 PM

Originally posted by crazy_smeggie
IN MY HUMBLE OPINION:

. . . But I'll tell you - you will never have those kinds of problems with a Sony Clie. . . .

Hmmm, I believe I remember a sony NR70 that was released before it was ready. I was one of the many NR70 owners that had to send the unit back to Sony to have them fix it so the darn thing would access the memory stick. And it was a pretty common problem at the time.

crazy_smeggie

10-15-2003, 04:21 PM

Originally posted by PDH LA

Hmmm, I believe I remember a sony NR70 that was released before it was ready. I was one of the many NR70 owners that had to send the unit back to Sony to have them fix it so the darn thing would access the memory stick. And it was a pretty common problem at the time.

Hence the words: IN MY HUMBLE OPINION

Yep, I remember that little "snag" and in reality, they will all have bugs or worse when they see the light of day because they all rush product to market.

That said: I have never had an issue with any of my Clie's (3) that weren't part of a self-induced meltdown or weren't something I could easily fix.

And, boy am I glad I don't have to try to fix that card-eater problem! Yikes!!

What issues are YOU experiencing with your UX?

SMEGGIE:)

soccrnj80

10-15-2003, 05:44 PM

Well my tt3 fried my 256 sd card last nite. I called palm, it is a known issue, they said they are working on a fix, and told me not to try any sd cards until the patch is out. They are replacing my card for me. My ux-50 is giving me no problems, got a 256 memory stick in. What I will give the tt3 over the ux-50 is speed. I know everyone says that the ux-50 is fast, but after using the tt3 it seems sluggish, honestly. I've been comparing apps, avantgo,docs to go open instantaneously on the tt3, I never see a "loading" message. I realize that it's only like a few seconds, but the tt3 is just alot faster. The ux-50 definitely has the better battery life over the tt3, today I used my tt3 at work and by noon I was down to 60% battery. I never get there with my ux-50, I never got there with my tungsten c. I am not bashing either handheld. They are both GREAT. I love being able to do portrait and landscape on the tt3. I do think the tt3 was rushed to market. Palm has to come up with a patch fast for the sd card, that has to be killing them. I actually wonder if palm actually tried this pda out before putting it out. Again, that is something that could be fixed quickly, and then this handheld is awesome. But I agree with Smeggie, Sony always releases top quality, they might be a little more expensive, but in the end it just comes down to, "does it work right?" and I will give the ux-50 that over the tt3.

samnjoe

10-15-2003, 06:46 PM

Originally posted by lmame
I must say the T3 is a magnificent piece of junk wasted Palm...
It ought to be a "Killer Palm", I guess PalmOne just forgot one or two things... Beta testing is one of the thing they missed... badly... <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p>
 
WOW.  That's harsh.<o:p></o:p>
 
A few rebuttals:<o:p></o:p>
 
SD Eater.  Okay, so it does seem to have problems with SANDISK.  I said it corrupted my SD card(s).  SanDisk is actually replacing my SD cards.  I am now using a Lexar, and it's working fine.
<o:p></o:p> 
Yellow Screen??  Nope, my T3 shines just a white and perfect as my UX-50.  And neither of them sings or makes a single noise.  Unless I have the volume on and am playing a game or music.  ;-)
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I actually LIKE the sliding case of the T3.  I like the UX-50, too.  And it's never jammed OR bitten me.
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Hard Reset using Soft Reset Hole?  Hasn't happened to me.<o:p></o:p>
 
Wasted junk – FAR FAR FAR from true.  It’s an AWESOME machine.  SO IS THE UX-50!  Killer Palm!?!  PLEASE!!!!<o:p></o:p>
 
Can't we all just get along?  Does one handheld have be judged as AWFUL for another to be GREAT?  NO!  That's why we have CHOICES.
 
The Tungsten T3  AND  the UX-50 are BOTH great handhelds.  They are entirely different; different functions, different uses, different requirements.  For different USERS.  (Or, in my case, someone who had to have both!)
 
 
 :)

samnjoe

10-15-2003, 06:48 PM

Well, that worked.  Sorry.  Will retype.

 :rolleyes:

samnjoe

10-15-2003, 06:55 PM

Originally posted by lmame
I must say the T3 is a magnificent piece of junk wasted Palm... 

Wow.  That's harsh.

A few responses:

SD Eater.  Okay, so it does seem to have problems with SANDISK.  I said it corrupted my SD card(s).  SanDisk is actually replacing my SD cards.  I am now using a Lexar, and it's working fine.

Yellow Screen?  Nope.  My T3 shines just as white and perfecft as my UX-50.  And neither of them sings or make a single noise.  Unless I have the volume on and am playing a game or music.    ;-)

I actually LIKE the sliding case of the T3.  I like the UX-50, too.  And it's never jammed on me OR bitten me.  (And I also have a T|T and a T2 -- haven't had the problem with them, either.)

Hard Reset using the Soft Reset Hole?  Hasn't ever happened to me.

Wasted junk??  FAR FAR FAR from true.  It's an AWESOME machine.  SO IS THE UX-50! Killer Palm?!!  PLEASE!!!!

Can't we all just get along?  Does one handheld have to be judged as AWFUL for another to be GREAT?  NO!  That's why we have choices.

The Tungsten T3 and the UX-50 are BOTH great handhelds.  They are entirely different; different functions, different uses, different requirements.  For DIFFERENT PEOPLE.  (Or in my case, for someone who had to have both!)

Live and let live!!

 

 :D

soccrnj80

10-15-2003, 07:02 PM

samnjoe, you summarized my feelings and thoughts exactly. The are both awesome pda's.

samnjoe

10-15-2003, 07:17 PM

I agree.  Thanks for the suport.  No need to bash one.  Truly -- I can't decide which one I like best ... and I've been using both of them for a few weeks!

Bashing others has a tendancy to make is so that the person gravitates TOWARDS what's beeing bashed.  People tend to 'pull' for the underdog.

The way I see it, there's no need to force my choice ...

 :p

soccrnj80

10-15-2003, 07:29 PM

EXACTLY!!!!!!!

anthonymoody

10-16-2003, 10:27 AM

Yeah, I'm a UX50 user/lover b/c it suits my needs better than anything else out there. THat said, I'm thinking of getting a TT3 for the Mrs. for Xmas since:
a) she needs a new PDA
b) has different needs than I do, which are satisfied by the TT3
c) should be a LOT cheaper by then

TM

lank5893

10-16-2003, 11:48 AM

Reasons why I chose the T3 over the UX50:

1. Bigger screen
2. Screen not mushy like the UX
3. Speed. UX is slow compared to T3
4. 52MB Ram. No more file management or waiting for programs to transfer to RAM
5. No high pitch, drive you insane noise from screen like on my UX
6. No more pathetic stylus
7. No more pathetic, pain in the rear cradle/charger set up.
8. Portrait and Landscape
9. Better navigation pad then jog wheel
10. T3 has vibrating alert.
11. I now have 4 application buttons
12. I can now use IR with all pdas. UX would ony talk IR to certain ones??
13. No more proprietary hardware/API's
14. Cheaper

The UX is certainly an awesome machine, especially when you consider all the features. But, when considering the stuff that matters to ME, I chose the T3.

Lucan

williepalm

10-16-2003, 11:55 AM

But you're gonna be faced with two major problems.
1) SD card errors(especially Sandisk brand)
2) bad battery life.

anthonymoody

10-16-2003, 11:57 AM

What do you mean by mushy screen?

lank5893

10-16-2003, 12:01 PM

Originally posted by williepalm
But you're gonna be faced with two major problems.
1) SD card errors(especially Sandisk brand)
2) bad battery life.

1. No problems with my panasonic sd card

2. Battery life is about the same as my UX. They both stink!

Lucan

lank5893

10-16-2003, 12:02 PM

Originally posted by anthonymoody
What do you mean by mushy screen?

The screen is soft and "gives" when you tap on it. The T3 screen is hard with no "give".

Lucan

Unregistered

10-16-2003, 12:02 PM

the UX screen has more give than the T3's which gives it a "mushy" or "spongy" feeling in comparison.

crazy_smeggie

10-16-2003, 12:06 PM

Originally posted by lank5893
Reasons why I chose the T3 over the UX50:

1. Bigger screen
2. Screen not mushy like the UX
3. Speed. UX is slow compared to T3
4. 52MB Ram. No more file management or waiting for programs to transfer to RAM
5. No high pitch, drive you insane noise from screen like on my UX
6. No more pathetic stylus
7. No more pathetic, pain in the rear cradle/charger set up.
8. Portrait and Landscape
9. Better navigation pad then jog wheel
10. T3 has vibrating alert.
11. I now have 4 application buttons
12. I can now use IR with all pdas. UX would ony talk IR to certain ones??
13. No more proprietary hardware/API's
14. Cheaper

The UX is certainly an awesome machine, especially when you consider all the features. But, when considering the stuff that matters to ME, I chose the T3.

Lucan

Interesting list. One has to wonder why you even bought the UX in the first place...???

If I may add just one more item to your list, I think it would be complete:

15. No more whiney, negative, resistant to change attitude.

But I guess now that you own a T3, we won't have to hear any more of it because you'll be over at the T3Source Board. :):):)

Good-bye and good luck!!

SMEGGIE

Unregistered

10-16-2003, 12:12 PM

You could also argue for the UX over the T3 as such:

Better battery life
Better video playback
Clamshell (no need for a case)
Better overall construction quality
No fried SD cards
Camera
Video recorder
Wi Fi
Keyboard
Clamshell or tablet option
better web browser
Picsel Viewer

BTW, I have the T3 and returned the UX. Just demonstrating a point that both have features to back up an argument.

crazy_smeggie

10-16-2003, 12:29 PM

Originally posted by Unregistered
You could also argue for the UX over the T3 as such:

Better battery life
Better video playback
Clamshell (no need for a case)
Better overall construction quality
No fried SD cards
Camera
Video recorder
Wi Fi
Keyboard
Clamshell or tablet option
better web browser
Picsel Viewer

BTW, I have the T3 and returned the UX. Just demonstrating a point that both have features to back up an argument.

Good point.:)

SMEGGIE

Husam

10-16-2003, 12:30 PM

Well. Now I'm thinking of not opening my new UX50 before I'm 100% sure that it is better than the T3.
I will keep it in its box until I get convinced, otherwise, I will sell it and buy the T3.

lank5893

10-16-2003, 12:49 PM

iJITSU

10-16-2003, 02:41 PM

Sorry. That was me with the last UX vs. T3 comparison. Keep forgeting to log in. I chose the T3 for these reasons:

1. It's an American company. I buy American when I can.
2. Brighter, bigger screen.
3. My ultimate goal is to eventually move to a smartphone when one becomes available that is suitable for me. The T3 is cheaper so I'll lose less money in the end when I switch.

That said, I love the UX50. The screen is smaller and dimmer than the NX80, but the form factor and dual wireless is very nice.

Ricoh Tek

10-16-2003, 04:54 PM

MUSHY SCREEN! Yes I have noticed that too. Since I have installed my BRANDO screen protector I have not had that problem.

Ricoh Tek

10-16-2003, 04:56 PM

Originally posted by iJITSU
1. It's an American company. I buy American when I can.
.
You are kidding me, right? American CEO, all their units are made in , well take your pick of any 3rd world shithole. China, Hungry...etc.
I remember the Chineese made Palm M505 had a digitizer problem over the Hungarian made units

soccrnj80

10-16-2003, 07:58 PM

Ok, I still have both. I took my tt3 to work with me today, no ux-50. I gotta say it completely surprised me. The battery life seemed to increase, I used it alot, and I only got to 78% for the whole day. Yesterday I was at 57% before noon, had to stick it on a coworkers m500 cradle to charge it. I have a sony erricson t616 phone, I like that the tt3 comes with a phone app, a stand alone phone app for bt phones to dial for you. Setting up bt was easier on the tt3 than it was on my ux-50, both work great though. So I am still uncertain which one to keep, everyone at work thinks the ux-50 is the coolest thing they have ever seen. I just wish the ux-50 was comparable in speed. So I gotta keep comparing,lol. It is makin me a little crazy though.lol

crazy_smeggie

10-16-2003, 08:09 PM

Originally posted by soccrnj80
Ok, I still have both. I took my tt3 to work with me today, no ux-50. I gotta say it completely surprised me. The battery life seemed to increase, I used it alot, and I only got to 78% for the whole day. Yesterday I was at 57% before noon, had to stick it on a coworkers m500 cradle to charge it. I have a sony erricson t616 phone, I like that the tt3 comes with a phone app, a stand alone phone app for bt phones to dial for you. Setting up bt was easier on the tt3 than it was on my ux-50, both work great though. So I am still uncertain which one to keep, everyone at work thinks the ux-50 is the coolest thing they have ever seen. I just wish the ux-50 was comparable in speed. So I gotta keep comparing,lol. It is makin me a little crazy though.lol

Perhaps you should ask yourself why you need to go faster. Is the time it takes to open an app really that important? I mean, come on, the reality is that you are going to save a few nanoseconds each time you invoke a slow app and you will then spend whatever time you saved over the course of the day, counting up all of the nanoseconds you saved at the end of the day resulting in yet another loss of time.

Or is it?

SMEGGIE

samnjoe

10-16-2003, 08:45 PM

Nanoseconds!  Nanoo nanoo!  (So sez 'Mork!'  But then, I show my age!)   :D

crazy_smeggie

10-16-2003, 08:56 PM

Originally posted by samnjoe
Nanoseconds!  Nanoo nanoo!  (So sez 'Mork!'  But then, I show my age!)   :D

You are either showing your age or you are from another country that is just now getting it as a "new" show.

Either way...YIKES!!!

:)

SMEGGIE:D

samnjoe

10-16-2003, 09:07 PM

Trust me:  it's age.  And having just had a birthday last weekend (October 11) ... trust me.  It IS scary.   :eek:

crazy_smeggie

10-16-2003, 09:12 PM

Originally posted by samnjoe
Trust me:  it's age.  And having just had a birthday last weekend (October 11) ... trust me.  It IS scary.   :eek:

I'm right there with ya, bro.

We're getting old. Heck, I even used the patented "As long as you're living in my house" speech tonight with my daughter. I had to reach WAYYYYYY back in the archives for that one.

:)

SMEGGIE

crazy_smeggie

10-16-2003, 09:26 PM

I was just over at the T3Source site and apparently they're having a little CF card-burning party over there tonight.

All you need to get in is a T3 and an expendable CF card.:)

Sorry - I couldn't resist.

SMEGGIE:D

samnjoe

10-16-2003, 09:33 PM

BWAHHHH!  *Sorry!*

Have I mentioned that SanDisk is replacing my 256mb card?  Sent me a RMA return, with FedEx.  Was shipped back to them today.

Last time I checked, my UX-50 had NOT eaten any of my Memory Sticks -- which is good, because it would really tick off my Sony Camera.  And then, my Sony Vaio laptop would be upset because I wasn't transferring any pictures or .pdb/.prc files back and forth.

Digital cards.  What did we do before those bite-sized pieces of life?   :confused:

benixau

11-04-2003, 01:14 AM

Originally posted by crazy_smeggie
I was just over at the T3Source site and apparently they're having a little CF card-burning party over there tonight.

All you need to get in is a T3 and an expendable CF card.:)

Sorry - I couldn't resist.

SMEGGIE:D

yeah - they are happily using Lexar Panasonics SD cards now and have no need for bulky CF WiFi cards that all but ONE Clie need. Therefore theey are buring their CF cards in a bonfire to celebrate.

BTW - by mis-stating CF instead of SD you totaly destroyed any technical credibility you may have had.