Poll: Which datebook do you use

[ZPWeeks]

I've been wondering what most people are using. If you could talk about how you generally use your datebook program after you vote, that'd be great too. I've bought Agendus (I feel guilty for supporting iambic_ and DateBk5, and I'm trying to decide which one I'm going to use.

I'll start: I'm a student in a gifted school and am involved with many band and church functions. I've used DateBk4/5 for a year and a half now. I use the categorized apps frequently, and love the similar look to the original palm datebook over Agendus. I link 4.0Student to the ToDo database so that I can keep track of my homework in the PIM as well as 4.0Student with automation.

[mochant]

I've been using Agendus since it was Action Names on the Newton Message Pad. For me, Agendus has the best balance between datebook, to do list, and contact management and has a very refined interface. I also own a copy of the Agendus Desktop for Windows app and use it occasionally as I like it better than the standard Palm Desktop.

As I'm a heavy Outlook user (oh, the shame), I tend to do most of my day-to-day work in that app and sync to the Palm/Agendus using (the sadly now discontinued) Desktop to Go by Dataviz.

I've really tried to like Beyond Contacts from DataViz as it offers more complete synchronization with Outlook but the UI is still pretty clumsy and does not use the screen real estate very effectively. It also takes up a lot of RAM.

FInally, I'm a UX50 owner and am hoping that iambic gets it together to support this device better real soon now.

[Serotta]

I just use the built-in plus A5. A5 is great and it's free. To expound on some of the features; icons, integrated ToDo, auto-rolling of non-completed ToDo's, and a very clean list view. Best freeware app out there IMO.

[Noodles Hovar]

Yes! Yes! A5!!!

[OcellNuri]

Datebk5 user here. I got hooked with Datebook+ on my Visors, and HAD to have something like it on my Clie. The colors, icons, todo integration, and occasional use of links just make my life a lot easier.

Tech support for Datebk5 has always been amazing. I needed a new registration key when I moved to my NR, and while giving me that the man went ahead and sent me the newest beta that support Hires+ on the NR!

[hherbzilla]

DB5 is a fantastic product. I really like the flexibility and power, and the fact that it doesn't get in the way. In other words, you can use it just as a datebook or you can do much more with it. I use the icons to make it easy to see things in week and month views. I like the to do integration. I use the "New/Launch App." button to launch DayNotez. The templates are a great feature that I use very often for recurring activities. Plus frequent updates, and great support from the developer. Definitely one of my "must-have" apps.

[alsa]

Datebk5 is THE reason I have a Palm OS product

[Tixx]

Datebook 5

[Unregistered]

DateBk5

[(oyo)]

Agendus here

[*YellowRose*]

Another happy DateBk5 user! =)

[wellsjs]

Agendus is THE reason I have a SONY Clie PDA! :p

[volcanopele]

Definitely datebk5. Very customizable and easy-to-use interface. I have it set exactly how I want it. Plus the incredible customer support really puts Datebk5 over the top.

[orol]

Originally posted by alsa
Datebk5 is THE reason I have a Palm OS product

same here

[sfringer]

I use DateMan from StandAlone software.

Scott

[sdsdsd]

Have used Agendus since it was Action Names, but recently have been using MonthPlanner (someone on this board pointed it out) and have been very happy with its speed and intuitive operation. I just don't need all the features in Agendus or Datebk5 (I've tried each whenever they've come out with a new version).

[wnm]

Agendus.

[ddsmith]

Datebk5 - former Agendus user. Never looked back.

[gvegaa]

datebk5 is excellent, I haven't finished reading the documentation and I love it, features for the Hires screen are awesome.

[AcuraCL]

Originally posted by Serotta
I just use the built-in plus A5. A5 is great and it's free. To expound on some of the features; icons, integrated ToDo, auto-rolling of non-completed ToDo's, and a very clean list view. Best freeware app out there IMO.

Removed by the developer from PalmGear

:(

[Serotta]

If you want to check out A5, this is the homepage:

http://rg.mirrorz.com/

[AcuraCL]

Originally posted by Serotta
If you want to check out A5, this is the homepage:

http://rg.mirrorz.com/

Ah, muchas grassyass.

Nice sig.

[rolando]

Datebk5. I started with the Datebook+ that came with my Visor, but quickly upgraded to Datebk4 (now Datebk5).

I originally just wanted alarmed todos and a split screen to FORCE myself to see my todos. Since then, I've started to use many, many of its powerful features:

icons on todos or events or for just for categories

templates that automatically populate contact name and phone number, link to the address book, special category and icon, etc.

Custom views

Hidden categories for my manager's and wife's schedule

I'm locked into the PalmOS because of this application.

Rolando

[pixelpainter]

Datebk5 -

Now if they could soup up the addressbook.

[DanT]

A5 is the best DateBook money can buy. The value/$ is infinity as $=0. Perfect for student in low budget. :D

Here are a snapshot of my A5 day and week views:
http://www.cliesource.com/gallery/data/500/2949a501f-list1.jpghttp://www.cliesource.com/gallery/data/500/2949a501f1.jpg

[Serotta]

Originally posted by AcuraCL



Nice sig.

Thank you. Nice car:D

[fabutech]

Agendus.

It was a toss-up on functionality- DateBk is an equally excellent planner- but Agendus won me over with the eye-candy... it's just such a pretty app :D

[gyffes]

Still struggling with various schedulers. Datbk and Agendus both irritated me too much -- those icons everywhere + learning curve rendered it less than useless to me.

I recently threw Dateman on and so far, its integration with *shudder* Outlook on my desktop has been smooth and I've not encountered the alarm problem others have mentioned. Still seeking The Ultimate Datebook for m'self.

[Wytnucls]

It feels a bit lonely here, as I use "Beyond Contacts" which IMHO has the best integration with Outlook 2003 and can span an appointment over several days. All Oulook fields are preserved and the color coding is carried over too.
Can sync with 2 different computers.
Drawbacks are: Not HiRes yet and the app has to use its own database, taking up a lot of RAM space.

[gyffes]

Well, y'gotta admit those are two pretty big negatives, no?

[Wytnucls]

For most people perhaps. RAM space not a problem here with JackFlash and HiRes+ is on the way I believe, as DataViz is busy updating all their apps, at the moment. The close integration with Outlook is the clincher for me!

[Guildenstern]

Have to say A5

[gollum]

What no one uses the KeySuite apps!

I've been using KeyContacts for about a year now, then made the jump to KeySuite when it became available.

The main reason for KeySuite? It's memo fields DO NOT have the 4k limit that the built-in apps' memo fields do.

I'd be interested in hearing why KeySuite was rejected by those who rejected it.

[gyffes]

Where can I get it to look at it? And don't give me PalmGear -- I don' buy from those #*%!&*!^. What's the keysuite developer's website?

[Edlin]

Another very happy A5 user.

Easy learning curve to start with it but so many options :)

[plaid]

Keysuite is by chapura
www.chapura.com

[Unregistered]

Originally posted by sfringer
I use DateMan from StandAlone software.

Scott
One guy uses that bug filled mess of a product.

Thus the name "standalone" says it all.

[Unregistered]

Originally posted by gollum
What no one uses the KeySuite apps!

I've been using KeyContacts for about a year now, then made the jump to KeySuite when it became available.

The main reason for KeySuite? It's memo fields DO NOT have the 4k limit that the built-in apps' memo fields do.

I'd be interested in hearing why KeySuite was rejected by those who rejected it.

1. Any app that uses the built in database wont interact with it.
I use an outliner that does that, so thats a big problem for me.

2. If you dont use Outlook desktop, not only have you negated its advantage, but you cannot use Palm desktop if you wanted without outlook.

If one is "Outlook centric" Keysuite is awesome.
Certainly better than the dataviz product someone else mentioned.
Bottom line if one uses a number of Palm apps that depend on the built in databases, it aint happening.

The real anwer is in OS6 when we'll get the best of both worlds.

[anniebluesky]

Agendus...agendus...(agendus)

[BadRap]

There is nothing I can't do with DateBk5!

[halo_gps]

Clie apps -> Dataviz Beyond Contacts -> DB5 -> Agendus 7.04
The only thing I hate about Agendus is that I can't use HD/HR Icons with OS 4.1

Agendus right now and still searching for the Holy Grail

[stronggeek]

I've tried many and I like both Agendus and Datebk5 for different reasons, but since my job (and yse I do rely on my schedule very heavily for my business) is so contacted based I had to choose an app that was biased in that area.

I especially love the way it links to the Mapopolis app!

And the interface as someone else metioned is uncluttered and refined.

I also had Action Names on my Newton 110 back in the day as well as some of the others and I've also remained open-minded to other options, sometimes even having both Agendus and Datebk5 on my palm at the same time!

Agendus rules for my type of need and use.

[plaid]

Originally posted by halo_gps
Clie apps -> Dataviz Beyond Contacts -> DB5 -> Agendus 7.04
The only thing I hate about Agendus is that I can't use HD/HR Icons with OS 4.1

Agendus right now and still searching for the Holy Grail

You need v3bHack. This will allow hires icons on OS4.1 Datebk5 has this code built-in, but I assume from your comment that Agendus does not. The hack is very stable.

http://www.freewarepalm.com/utilities/v3bhack.shtml

[DanT]

v3bHack is really cool. I use it for A5 hires icons for my N760C.

[Simba]

Originally posted by fabutech
Agendus.

It was a toss-up on functionality- DateBk is an equally excellent planner- but Agendus won me over with the eye-candy... it's just such a pretty app :D

I totally agree. I am a network engineer and I found datebk5 impossible to use. (ok, I didn't read the manual...but should I have to?) I switch to agendus which was much easier to use, but no notes integration. I use notes all the time and need a way to link to a to do or appointment. I am still waiting for a better solution. Maybe I will try A5....I might buy the new TH55 if the organizer app is any better than my NX80.

[DanT]

Here is A5 listview with HR+ enabled via CodeDiver in my TH55. http://www.cliesource.com/gallery/data/500/2949A5HR_.jpg

[cyphion]

i use agendus. i tried datebk5 and didnt like it. i like the backgrounds on agendus as well as the today screen that is missing on the clie stuff.

[rkub]

Agendus user for now... Tried both Agendus and DateBk5, and don't particularly love either 1, just that Agendus is much easier to use and much nicer to look at... I don't think I should have to read a huge manual to use a datebook program... Don't ever read a manual for almost anything else...LOL!! I'm just coming back to Palms (need it for work...) so I really just need stuff that's easy to use...

[tgeorges]

DateBk5 all the way.  I've tried Agendus every time it comes out with a new and improved version, but always delete it.  Some things I don't understand:

1 - How do people find DateBk5 hard to use?  It's virtually identical in basic functionality to the built-in datebook, which is one of the reasons I chose it.

2 - Will Agendus ever have linking capability to more than Addresses?  I find that links to Memos are much more powerful.

3 - Why does Agendus not have default colors for categories?  Yes, I can color-code my ToDo backgrounds per category, but I can't set foreground text color defaults for ToDos or for Appointments.  Nor can I set default icons for appointments. 

4 - I like my ToDo list at the top of my appointments.  DateBk5 lets me put them here (or at the bottom) or hide them.  They can be integrated or in split screen. Why does Agendus seems to only let me have them at the bottom of my appointments?

5 - I navigate through Days using the thumbwheel.  I can't do this in Agendus if there is a scroll bar in either my appointments or todos.  Perhaps I'm missing something.  Even the built-in datebook allows me to do this.  Why is this?

6 - It appears as though Agendus doesn't allow me to edit the text of an appointment without jumping to the details screen.  The built-in datebook (and DateBk5) allows me to edit the text right there in the day view.

I won't even go INTO some of my most used DateBk5 features that are nonexistent in Agendus, such as Custom Views, en-masse icon changes, Templates, and Irregular repeating events.

So - one BIG vote for DateBk5. 

[Simba]

Originally posted by tgeorges
DateBk5 all the way.  I've tried Agendus every time it comes out with a new and improved version, but always delete it.  Some things I don't understand:

1 - How do people find DateBk5 hard to use?  It's virtually identical in basic functionality to the built-in datebook, which is one of the reasons I chose it.

2 - Will Agendus ever have linking capability to more than Addresses?  I find that links to Memos are much more powerful.

3 - Why does Agendus not have default colors for categories?  Yes, I can color-code my ToDo backgrounds per category, but I can't set foreground text color defaults for ToDos or for Appointments.  Nor can I set default icons for appointments. 

4 - I like my ToDo list at the top of my appointments.  DateBk5 lets me put them here (or at the bottom) or hide them.  They can be integrated or in split screen. Why does Agendus seems to only let me have them at the bottom of my appointments?

5 - I navigate through Days using the thumbwheel.  I can't do this in Agendus if there is a scroll bar in either my appointments or todos.  Perhaps I'm missing something.  Even the built-in datebook allows me to do this.  Why is this?

6 - It appears as though Agendus doesn't allow me to edit the text of an appointment without jumping to the details screen.  The built-in datebook (and DateBk5) allows me to edit the text right there in the day view.

I won't even go INTO some of my most used DateBk5 features that are nonexistent in Agendus, such as Custom Views, en-masse icon changes, Templates, and Irregular repeating events.

So - one BIG vote for DateBk5. 


You make some valid points for Datebk. I (probably like most people) don't want to spend a great deal of time reading a manual. These pda's were originally designed to save us time and keep us organized right? Datebk seems to be not really usable without reading the manual. I get errors all the time regarding saved views and my buttons never seem to work like I want them to. I am even having a hard time sorting my contacts by business name, last name etc.

Agendus on the other hand I was able to use without reading a single page of their instructions. I like the way Agendus looks too, but it does seem limited in it's capabilities. Why doesn't Agendus do anything with the notes? I would love to be able to sort my notes better.

I'm stuck with neither one really meeting my needs. I'm hoping these issues are improved greatly with OS6!?!? I find it interesting that we have to go out and purchase an after market organizer for our organizer?

[rkub]

Hard to use... When you install DateBk5 does everything work right outta the box??? NOPE... Why should I have to setup the connections for the software??? Straight outta the box, Agendus was working fine. Plus having to read a 100 page manual to make it perfect is just too much hassle. Got better stuff to do (but that's just me...). Haven't ruled either out yet, just fine with Agendus for now...

[rkub]

lol, Simba, I'm right there with you EXACTLY!!

[volcanopele]

Absolutely agree with your points. I have tried Agendus a few times and I always keep coming back to Datebk5. Do I wish that Datebk5 was a bit more graphical, sure, but for me the features in Datebk5 far outweigh an interface that may not be so pretty. And yes, there is a 100-page manual, but for me, the time spent going through the manual and using the program the way it suggests has payed for itself in making it very quick to setup an appointment with background and foreground icons and an icon (by selecting default setting for appt. and todos by category) or finding out the schedule for Cassini flybys (using a saved view).

Originally posted by tgeorges
DateBk5 all the way.  I've tried Agendus every time it comes out with a new and improved version, but always delete it.  Some things I don't understand:

1 - How do people find DateBk5 hard to use?  It's virtually identical in basic functionality to the built-in datebook, which is one of the reasons I chose it.

2 - Will Agendus ever have linking capability to more than Addresses?  I find that links to Memos are much more powerful.

3 - Why does Agendus not have default colors for categories?  Yes, I can color-code my ToDo backgrounds per category, but I can't set foreground text color defaults for ToDos or for Appointments.  Nor can I set default icons for appointments. 

4 - I like my ToDo list at the top of my appointments.  DateBk5 lets me put them here (or at the bottom) or hide them.  They can be integrated or in split screen. Why does Agendus seems to only let me have them at the bottom of my appointments?

5 - I navigate through Days using the thumbwheel.  I can't do this in Agendus if there is a scroll bar in either my appointments or todos.  Perhaps I'm missing something.  Even the built-in datebook allows me to do this.  Why is this?

6 - It appears as though Agendus doesn't allow me to edit the text of an appointment without jumping to the details screen.  The built-in datebook (and DateBk5) allows me to edit the text right there in the day view.

I won't even go INTO some of my most used DateBk5 features that are nonexistent in Agendus, such as Custom Views, en-masse icon changes, Templates, and Irregular repeating events.

So - one BIG vote for DateBk5. 

[hherbzilla]

Originally posted by rkub
Hard to use... When you install DateBk5 does everything work right outta the box??? NOPE... Why should I have to setup the connections for the software??? :confused: DB5 worked "right out of the box" for me. What "connections" do you need to setup?

Agendus is a nice app, but I found DB5 to be much more powerful -- at least for my needs. What I like about DB5 is that it's simple to do the basic stuff... but is loaded with other features if you want to really take advantage of the software. That's the only time I've had to crack open the 100 page manual. To me, that's a benefit of DB5 and not a detractor.

They're both good apps, though. As long as you found something that works for you... that's what counts.

[rkub]

Talking about the connections to:To Do List, Memos, Address, anything besides the DateBook section... I didn't know that until I installed and a little box popped up and said I needed to make the connection in Datebook before I can use any of those functions...

[wellsjs]

If I were just getting started with a PDA, DateBk5 would likely be my choice. But I bought Agendus when it was better eye candy. Now they're about the same with DateBk5 being more customizable/powerful in some areas. HOWEVER, Agendus has two unique features going for it: a pricy desktop application counterpart (Agendus Windows) and the PDA app integrates with Mapopolis. If you have a lot of contacts and need directions often, I'd go with Agendus / Mapopolis combo. I like the desktop app because I can avoid using Outlook. When I upgraded to MS Office 2003 (don't bother . . . it aint worth it!) I found I hate the Outlook 2003. With Agendus Windows' integration with the MS Exchange engine, I can avoid Outlook altogether. BTW, I got Office 2003 free from MS. Don't ask me why? OK, ask me why! :D It just came in the mail saying "Here's your free fully licensed, fully functional copy to evaluate (as an IT manager)." Anyway, there's reasons where both apps are a good fit. Go with the one that fits you! ;)

[Vidge]

I've been a Datebk user for about 5 or 6 years - never tried Agendus. There are so many features in DB5 that I never even thought about using, but it seems every time I think "Wonder if I can do..." I find that I can. I probably only use 10% of the capability of the program (CESD himself said he doesn't use most of the features) but what I do use, makes managing my life a lot easier.

[tgeorges]

rkub,

I think those "connections" are the fact you can use the hardware buttons to allow you to view ToDos, Memos, and Addresses all from within DateBk5 without leaving the app. It allows editing and creation of ToDos and Memos also from within DateBk5, but you must leave the app to create or edit Addresses.  Out of the box, DateBk5 doesn't re-program these buttons for you - you need to ask it to, since not everyone wants to stay in DateBk5 to view these other lists. 

To Simba, you say that DateBk5 is "not really usable without reading the manual." I've heard this so many times and still cannot agree. Out of the box, DateBk5 pretty much acts like the built-in datebook. It is usable.  What were your problems?

If you do want to take advantage of some of the more powerful features, then do read the manual.  You're a network engineer - did you learn the more esoteric options on routing commands or firewall options without reading the help file or manual? Wouldn't you expect that more complex and powerful features would involve some learning?

I contend that, to use DateBk5 as a basic datebook, no reading of the manual is required  - especially if you already know how to use the built-in datebook.

Here's a challenge, Simba.  Spend about an hour reading the manual - especially the section on Templates and Saved Views, and on Links, and then tell us what you think.  I think the 100,000+ strong user community of DateBk5 would be interested in your results.

Tom

[LanMan]

Now that it's available on the TH555, shouldn't the Clie Organizer be added to this poll?

[SamuraiCatJB]

Originally posted by LanMan
Now that it's available on the TH555, shouldn't the Clie Organizer be added to this poll?

yup, I have dropped Agendus for the Organizer.

[rkub]

Ok, when I first installed Datebk5 I tried to launch the other programs that came with it... Could not open until I had set these items in DateBk itself, and the popup told me to look in the owners manual to find out how to do so... This is not ease of use in my mind... Agendus just installed and worked fine. Haven't had it crash my UX yet... (fingers crossed now...) I would love to use DateBk5 if I didn't have to read the manual to figure it out... Just imo...

[rkub]

lol, is there anyone from OC or LA that can teach me...

[tgeorges]

rkub,

Why did you try to launch those programs?  I'm assuming you mean the files in the "Advanced" zip file, such as dbView.prc, etc.  These aren't really needed unless you want to have launchable custom views, etc.  This is (imo) on the periphery of DateBk5's functionality - and one would definitely need to use the manual for this.  You can run DateBk5 right from the start, with full functionality, with just the DateBk5.prc  file.  Nothing else needed.  If you want icons, you need an icon file (so does Agendus - they can use the same file) and an icon editor (Agendus does indeed have one built in, but IconMgr is a great and fairly cheap alternative).

Just as a test, I re-installed DateBk5 from scratch and pretended I was using the built-in datebook.  It worked stroke-for-stroke, tap-for-tap the same way I would use the built-in app.  I can't think of anything more learning-friendly than that.  It just installed, and worked fine!

I do remember one thing I could never seem to do with Agendus - get a background image in the "today" screen.  I have .bmp files on my MS, .pdb files that can be displayed using PGPocket, but none of these seem to work.  I know that such is in the manual, but (like you) I didn't consult it.  However, if this was a feature I really wanted to use (it wasn't), I would have gladly consulted the manual.  There was no onscreen help to speak of concerning this.  DateBk5, however, has a great online help, which addresses each and every screen in great detail.

Tom

[rkub]

Tom, talking about Address, Memo, To Do... If I want to use DateBks I need to configure the setup which I'm just not in the mood to do. Been trying to setup my UX how I want it for the last couple weeks and trying to setup a program is just not gonna happen (get too frustrated...). As for the background image on Agendus, did you use the Wallpaper Converter?? Only reason I know is cuz it said something on the page I downloaded from...

[tgeorges]

Didn't download that app (wallpaper converter).  I will check it out - thanks!

Regarding the Address/Memo/ToDo, this doesn't require any extra files - just the DateBk5.prc is all you need.  There is a preference for setting which hardware button brings up which of these lists - the "View" tab within the "Preferences" screen (Options->Preferences).  I have mine set so that the Date HW button brings up DateBk5, the Address button brings up built-in address book, ToDo button brings up built-in Todo, and Memo button brings up built-in memo.  These buttons are buttons number 1, 2, 3, and 4 respectively on my unit (I understand some Treo units don't have the same button arrangement, thus the flexibility). Then I get a split screen view of these lists depending on which button I push.  One push brings up a split screen that I can resize if I want.  A second push gives me a fullscreen list. This takes less than a minute to set up - give it a shot!

How's that UX-50?  I'm trundling along with an SJ30 (souped up to about twice it's CPU speed with FastCPU).

Tom

[Mayday45]

I just use PocketMirror to sync Outlook 2003 with all of the stock Clie apps (since I can't really delete them). This way I'm not wasting precious RAM on my TG.

[rldunn]

Originally posted by rkub
Ok, when I first installed Datebk5 I tried to launch the other programs that came with it... Could not open until I had set these items in DateBk itself, and the popup told me to look in the owners manual to find out how to do so... This is not ease of use in my mind... Agendus just installed and worked fine. Haven't had it crash my UX yet... (fingers crossed now...) I would love to use DateBk5 if I didn't have to read the manual to figure it out... Just imo... FYI, you can also install the help file so that the popup will provide the info you need on your device. He made this a separate file several months ago for long-time users who didn't need it and wanted to save space. Here's the instructions for installing the help file, taken from the readme:There are useful information tips available in all DateBK5 dialogs. You may well want to install these helpful tips. To do that, install the dbSetup.prc application, run it and just tap the Install Checked Items button (only the DateBk5 Help Database item should be checked).

[rldunn]

Originally posted by SamuraiCatJB


yup, I have dropped Agendus for the Organizer. I've dropped DB5 for CO as well.

[wellsjs]

Originally posted by SamuraiCatJB


yup, I have dropped Agendus for the Organizer. Ah ha! You were laying low during the throat slashing DateBk5-Agendus wars. My flesh wounds are just now healing (head sewn back on! :D ) from admitting being an Agendus user!

[SamuraiCatJB]

Originally posted by wellsjs
Ah ha! You were laying low during the throat slashing DateBk5-Agendus wars. My flesh wounds are just now healing (head sewn back on! :D ) from admitting being an Agendus user!

I was in two of the battles... many months ago.... almost lost my head too. :D but TH's are great healing instruments. :D

[Vidge]

So SC - when are you going to change your PDA in your profile? ;)

[Simba]

Originally posted by tgeorges
rkub,

I think those "connections" are the fact you can use the hardware buttons to allow you to view ToDos, Memos, and Addresses all from within DateBk5 without leaving the app. It allows editing and creation of ToDos and Memos also from within DateBk5, but you must leave the app to create or edit Addresses.  Out of the box, DateBk5 doesn't re-program these buttons for you - you need to ask it to, since not everyone wants to stay in DateBk5 to view these other lists. 

To Simba, you say that DateBk5 is "not really usable without reading the manual." I've heard this so many times and still cannot agree. Out of the box, DateBk5 pretty much acts like the built-in datebook. It is usable.  What were your problems?

If you do want to take advantage of some of the more powerful features, then do read the manual.  You're a network engineer - did you learn the more esoteric options on routing commands or firewall options without reading the help file or manual? Wouldn't you expect that more complex and powerful features would involve some learning?

I contend that, to use DateBk5 as a basic datebook, no reading of the manual is required  - especially if you already know how to use the built-in datebook.

Here's a challenge, Simba.  Spend about an hour reading the manual - especially the section on Templates and Saved Views, and on Links, and then tell us what you think.  I think the 100,000+ strong user community of DateBk5 would be interested in your results.

Tom

I am always up for a challenge, I just don't know if I want to spend the time reading the manual. I must admit that I am intrigued to read the manual and see what all the fuss is about. I have spent over an hour trying to 'figure it out on my own', so I could have read the manual by now (LOL). It's like when we men are lost and we don't want to stop and ask for directions. :confused:

Bottom line, I just think we have lost the overall picture for why we purchased these neat little devices in the first place. I had only a few requirements:

save time
reduce papers/sticky notes etc
become organized
never miss an appointment
provide entertainment when I'm waiting in the doctor's office etc.

Now I find myself reading reviews of the latest and greatest pdas, palm vs pocket pc/ pda vs smartphone/ troubleshooting software applications/crashes etc/ and lots of comparison shopping.

I really laugh at myself with the amount of energy and time I spend on this stuff.

[rldunn]

Originally posted by Simba
I really laugh at myself with the amount of energy and time I spend on this stuff. Shhhhhh, that's something you're supposed to keep to yourself, since it's our dirty little secret!! :)

[LanMan]

wellsjs, SamuraiCatJB, and rldunn - one word...ROTFL... :D

[Simba]

Originally posted by rldunn
Shhhhhh, that's something you're supposed to keep to yourself, since it's our dirty little secret!! :)

LOL, you have a good point. Now that you have given the CO your vote of confidence:

I am in a quadry as to trade in my NX80....

Here is the story...I have a free upgrade with Best Buy due to my HP 4155 screen blowing up and Best Buy having no equivalent replacement with built in wireless, bluetooth, yada yada yada

Best Buy let me borrow an NX80 until they receive new shipments of PDA's. I feel in love with the NX80, but like an old girlfriend getting on your nerves, something new comes along to get your attention (the TH55).

I was in a deep decision making process over keeping the NX80 and buy Agendus or Datebk 5......or........just scrapping the NX80 and trading in for a TH55 with the built in CO. I would save the money I would have spent on the software and take my daughter to a movie or something. Or (heaven forbid) buy some other cool software for my Palm????

There are a lot of things I like about my NX80 and also a lot of things I like about the new TH55....decisions/decisions


I did download the Datebk5 manual and skimmed through it...wow it sure does do a lot, but I just can't pull myself to reading the entire manual. In the final analysis I prefer the simplicity and eye candy of Agendus over Datebk5. But who knows I might scrap them both for the TH55 and the CO.

--Sorry for the long reply--

[rkub]

LOL, I think I totally misunderstood what I needed to do in DateBk... DAMN YOU TOM!!! Now I gotta go read that damn manual...lol Maybe it'll work out better this time...
LMAO Simba, I wanted the same things but am now deeply entrenched in the intracacies of this damn time & money pit... still love it though...

[threengs]

Question for Agendus and DB5 folks, does either of those two apps allow you to view attendees for a meeting? I use Outlook 2002 at work and PocketMirror Pro with CO currently. CO will not show other Meeting attendees.

[rkub]

Ohhh, that would be very nice to know... Just starting to use that, and am gonna be needing it very soon....

[SamuraiCatJB]

Originally posted by Vidge
So SC - when are you going to change your PDA in your profile? ;)

:o


well.... I still have two apps I haven't moved over or replaced. :D not that I care, I already use the TH 100% of the time... so I guess it is time... its just that means more time away from my TH. ;)

did I mention I love the organizer? ;) :p

[Vidge]

Yes, you mentioned it :p

[hwe44]

I think everything has to be simple , so I use KsDatebook.
Version 1.5.1
Very nice.
Is it possible to use Organizer on my TJ25 ?

hwe44 (from Holland )

[tgeorges]

threengs:

You can do this with both apps to a greater or lesser degree.  You can add a contact to a meeting in Agendus, but I have never been able to add more than one - any Agendus experts out there could perhaps correct me on this. I never used this feature, though, since Agendus jams the contact name into the meeting description, which (to me) is kind of ugly.  I'd rather just see the contact (or list of contacts??) in their own screen.

With DateBk5, you can create links for a meeting that link to contacts, ToDos, other meetings, or Memos.  When you tap on this "L" icon for that meeting, you will see a dropdown with all the links created (you can see this in the Details screen, too). It's not as "Outlook-like" as something like BeyondContacts, but it does the job well.  You can link to any number of contacts, meetings, ToDos, or memos - I don't think there's a limit.  I use this feature all the time.  Most often, I will link an event to the persons associated with the event or a memo containing directions to their place (if the event is something like a dinner out).  For meetings, I will use Linking for attaching memos that relate to the meeting, or notes taken during the meeting.  Links is one of DateBk5's more powerful features. 

Tom

[clieuser]

wow this TakoSchedule (as mentioned in this thread (http://www.cliesource.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=45457) ) is really cool.

[mochant]

I was the second poster to this thread last Fall! Since then, I've switched from Agendus to KeySuite. Despite the negative of separate dB's the integration with Outlook is awesome and the support for the UX50 is terrific (note to Dataviz - I withdraw my repeated request that you support my unit in Beyond Contacts - I found a better solution!).

I recently wrote a PDA 24-7 review (http://www.clieuk.co.uk/ks1.shtml) you might be interested in reading.

[???]

Originally posted by clieuser
wow this TakoSchedule (as mentioned in this thread (http://www.cliesource.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=45457) ) is really cool.

That's what I am using now:)
You can use templates and have something like a today view! The icons are cool too:cool:

[Simba]

Nuff said!

[Noodles Hovar]

???—

Where is there a template option for TakoSchedule othere than the offered single day view?

[Bruno281]

I am using Beyond Contacts, didn't realize that the TH55 had a lockup problem! ;-)

[ShadowVlican]

i use Beyond Contacts despite the massive RAM and low-res

must.... have.... perfect....... outlook.... duplication.... :D :rolleyes:

[paulsboutique]

And the award goes to.....

www.PimlicoSoftware.com 's Datebk5 !!!

[madmaxmedia]

Okay, those A5 screenshots have convinced me (and the price!)

My needs don't go too far beyond the Palm PIM, but a little more flexibility and eye candy would be nice.

[VampiricVivien]

i'm using a KsDatebook. It almost look like the built-in one, with a lil add-in one can have color-supported monthly view and such.

Altho it lack those lil icon hacks, i think it's a good one to replace the built-in. :)

[*YellowRose*]

Now, I use Clie Organizer...

[VampiricVivien]

Originally posted by *YellowRose*
Now, I use Clie Organizer...

I don't think that's the original built-in Datebook, right?....(curious as i am), is there a site that i might d/l it and try it out? (since i'm still at the experimenting stage to find the most suitable one for myself) :)

[mochant]

Originally posted by threengs
Question for Agendus and DB5 folks, does either of those two apps allow you to view attendees for a meeting? I use Outlook 2002 at work and PocketMirror Pro with CO currently. CO will not show other Meeting attendees.
threengs: You'll want to check out either Beyond Contacts or KeySuite if your meeting attendees are being assigned in Outlook and you want to sync that info without a lot of duplicated effort. Both have their strengths so you need to read the many posts here about both and decide which looks best for you. Since DataViz will not support the UX50, my decision was easy :p

[???]

Originally posted by Noodles Hovar
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Where is there a template option for TakoSchedule othere than the offered single day view?

Reply is late, but you have to install the takosche addon template.pdb in order to use the template feature. The other addons are useful as well:cool:

[fssia]

I use the built-in Palm Datebook. :)

[nikitasdaddy]

Takosche I think maybe up and coming once he starts to support hi-res icons

[ClieKun]

Agendus 8!

[winexprt]

KSDatebook. :D

[Noodles Hovar]

I've been using MonthPlanner, which I registered, since I've completely given up trying to register the English TakoSche.

Has anyone successfully registered it? I tried to register for a few weeks straight and then my trial expired.



MonthPlanner (http://www.palmgear.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=software.showsoftware&SID=388FE320-CF18-ADC9-1EC92F8AF50D5B07&PartnerREF=&prodID=52120)