Tempted by the dark side...

[oneeyesquare]

Been looking at the Dell PPC's. Nice units for the price AND CF2 support.... Plus can get a CF2 GPS card. Dpad, removable battery that charges in the cradle by itself,decent screen, etc.
Sony is TOTALLY screwing themselves by not opening the CF slot up. If I had a Dell, I'd buy both types of extended memory...I would do the same with my NX(or NZ) as well. I'd use the memstick for programs, backup, etc. and the CF for memory intensive things like maps and MP3's.
Still being held in place by the camera, the form factor and the inexpensive/expansive Palm software availability. Hope the CFpetition does some good and the NZ shows up at my local CC soon!!!!

[ndokiman]

Don't do it, man.

JUST SAY NO!

[cjones]

Stay *away* from the light oneeyesquare.... stay *AWAY* from the light!

-chris

[fireants22]

...like they say "use a DELL, you'll burn in HELL"....

[PhilB]

Remember, every time someone buys a PPC, a little kitten dies. Please, save the kittens.

[oneeyesquare]

LOL!!!, though I'm now quite concerned about my Dell desktop....

[fireants22]

..at least stay away from the laptops...
a while back some guy got his weeny-roasted and his nuts charred by a DELL.
And just last month in south africa, a DELL blew-up in a girl's lap.

[nike33]

Oneeyesquare

Several weeks ago I had the opportunity to use a Dell Axim 400MHZ. side by side to my NX, it is a fine machine. There is great potential for future usability and desirability. The biggest problem is that PPC's in day to day use, it is very easy to get sidetracked while navigating the unit. The NX is eloquent simplicity in its usage.


I agree it is a shame Sony has not released CF drivers, It seems that the Axim as well as most other 2 slot machines out there have full usage support on the CF slot.

With that said though, I still think the NX is a better choice. Besides the CF drivers hopefully soon to be a reality, will surly jettison the NX to a much higher level of desirability and usability. ( Sony please take notice of this )

[erobinson]

Dude, you're getting a dud!

[ArK]

You'll never get one they're backordered for yrs and its not stay away form the light. Light implies good/ heaven. Its what the f@#* were you thinking man?

[oneeyesquare]

I'm still solidly pro-NZ.... Can't beat the idea of the integrated 2mp camera, Bluetooth and nice keyboard. I'm sold that it's a better unit, but frutrated by the lack or slow intro of aftermarket goodies. Some of that can be attributed to the extremely fast product rollout/extinction of new models. A lot less lucrative to develop accessories for a model that may be gone in a year. Sony needs to be more concernecd with that end of things as well. The Dell already has multiple accessories; car mounts, hard cases, soft cases, GPS cards, etc.. whereas, the NX only has cases available currently and I suspect that the same pattern will occur with the NZ. I know I can get a "universal" car mount, but they're knida clunky and I expect cases within a month or so. The CF slot is ALL Sony's fault and rather silly. If they didn't want card competition they could've built it in to the model (NXW or NZW) and charged accordingly... Technology's already here for that....

[nbkzxl8]

I own both an NX70V and a 200mhz Axiom. The Axiom is a solid box with some great features. The screen resolution approaches that of the NX70V, and PPC features are tough to beat if you are a Microsoft enthusiast like me (don't be a hater). But in the end, the ease of use, form factor, elegance and just overall sexiness of the clie keeps me using it day to day. Now if it would just support mpeg without all the f&ck1n6 conversion crap, it would be the hands down winner.

[nbkzxl8]

Originally posted by PhilB
Remember, every time someone buys a PPC, a little kitten dies. Please, save the kittens.

lol

[beano]

Originally posted by fireants22
..at least stay away from the laptops...
a while back some guy got his weeny-roasted and his nuts charred by a DELL.
And just last month in south africa, a DELL blew-up in a girl's lap.

You're joking right? I'm considering a new laptop and Dell's has crossed my mind. :confused:

[stevec_ny]

I bought the Toshiba e740, thinking about how many things I could do with WiFi built in, & still have both SD & CompactFlash slots available. After the gee-whiz factor wore off, I realized how sluggish both the PPC OS & software were. I also missed the functionality of my favorite Palm apps & reverted back to my NR70V. Long story short, I have $700 worth of product (including software & accessories) collecting dust.

[rob_squared]

I agree with you guys on Dell.

You see, there are directly evil people and companies. But its the ones that are "vaguely evil" like Dell and Starbucks that you have to watch out for.

Like one of my saings: you can't fight an evil you are unaware of.

[peterh]

Originally posted by beano


You're joking right? I'm considering a new laptop and Dell's has crossed my mind. :confused:

I have quite a high spec dell laptop, and it does get very very hot. One day I will try and fry an egg on there...

I had the option of getting a new iPaq 'free' from work a while ago. I used it for a few days and gave it back. Then I went out and brought myself an NR70V with my own money. Best decision ever!

[fireants22]

beano:...i joke you not...both of those DELL horror stories have been in both www.wired.com and www.theregistered.co.uk

you just gotta do a search in the archives...happy reading.

and for chrissake...if you want a nice laptop, get a mac :D

[n2ifp]

Originally posted by beano


You're joking right? I'm considering a new laptop and Dell's has crossed my mind. :confused:

I don't recommend Dell anymore as their Tech Support and service has gone downhill, big-time!

After owning two Dell laptops, I now own a VAIO Sony, twice the machine at half the price.

[peterh]

Originally posted by n2ifp


I don't recommend Dell anymore as their Tech Support and service has gone downhill, big-time!

After owning two Dell laptops, I now own a VAIO Sony, twice the machine at half the price.

Yeah next time i get a laptop it will be a vaio. But first I need an NZ.

[beano]

Originally posted by fireants22

and for chrissake...if you want a nice laptop, get a mac :D

yeah yeah I'd love a powerbook more than anything else, but most of my software are windows-bound and i can't afford the software i may later need. bummer! :(

[beano]

Originally posted by n2ifp


I don't recommend Dell anymore as their Tech Support and service has gone downhill, big-time!

After owning two Dell laptops, I now own a VAIO Sony, twice the machine at half the price.

Larry which Vaio you got? I was also looking at Vaio and Toshiba's but my head is spinning with all those models to chose from!

[Bryan Smith]

Well here I am with an NR and now considering Wifi. I want an iPaq but also looked at the very hot and sexy NZ. So for a mere 50 bucks do I go for the NZ or the iPaq-am I turning to darkness if I go iPaq????
Help me to make the right choice guys and girls

[PhilB]

Don't forget: Every time someone buys an iPaq, a little kitten dies. Please, save the kittens.

[Bryan Smith]

i need a better reason than the kittens not to switch.

[kkerruish]

>>>i need a better reason than the kittens not to switch.

How about the frustration of waiting up to 5 seconds for your calendar to refresh on the screen?

Was reason enough for me to dump my iPaq 3955...

[Bryan Smith]

5 seconds Yuck. Hmmmm NZ is looking better.
I need Wifi and email as well as word a lot-all ways on the road.

so we have tow choices:
ipaq or
NZ.
Actually today I brought inbox to go and the new Documents to go (5.0) and so maybe I will stayt with Palm and Clie after all. Just statred with in box to go and it looks really good and finally an email program in English.

[kkerruish]

>>>I need Wifi and email as well as word a lot-all ways on the road.

Bryan -

One of the largest downsides for me was something Document to Go's always done...

I want to keep my data organized...some of it is in my home directory, some of it may be on a server someplace, some of it may be on my desktop for quick access. Documents to go handles this without a problem...

During my journey to the dark side, I found out that ***ANYTHING*** you want to keep on your PPC and your computer ***has*** to reside in the 'My Mobile Device' folder on your desktop computer. You can't carry a doc on a server, or your desktop, etc... So much for sharing documents on a server and getting the latest version sync'd when someone else changes it...

PPCs are great for some things...but do your homework and see if they actually do what you need them to do. For mapping and GPS, they are still the best due to their memory structure. For almost everything else, they just aren't there yet:

*no decent outlining programs like shadow or bonsai
*pocket word is only RTF - NO EXCEPTIONS and no graphics
*pocket excel is very limited
*agenda fusion comes close to datebk5 but close isn't good enough

Now - if someone on the Palm side of the world would only come out with an app that lets you do graphic work (like photoshop) directly on a JPG...and would realize that sometimes while in notepad, I might want to record an audio note to go with it...and 11mb of useable RAM...isn't this 2003??? I love Mapopolis on the Palm...but I can only carry 1-2 large counties...on the PPC, I could carry the entire state...slow, but handheld door to door routing is phenomenal!!!

CHeers!!!

Ken

[Bryan Smith]

Thanks Ken; I am convinced; thanks for the help. An NZ will be in my pocket soon enough for sure.
Sync for docs and for the InboxToGo which I tried today is definatly worth staying with the Clie Line as well as the memory stick expansion which will solve some of my memory problems as well.
Boy I nearly purchased the ipaq last week-oh what a mistake that would have been but some of the reviews on the internet are not good on that product at all and that dsaved me from a big mistake.
Thank you.
I do agree we need a paintshop for the Palm-anyone know of one?

[___]

Bryan, get the iPAQ H1910. You can play Quake and Argentum on it...and there is also a voice recorder and you can play DivX.

[monkeygr@ss]

Personally, I don't know what that guy was saying about 5 seconds for a calendar to refresh on PPC - never experienced anything close to that kind of lag.

I highly recommend the Toshiba e740 - it replaced my T665, and I haven't looked back since. WiFi, 48/64 Ram, dual flash slots(ahem - fully-functional, I might add ;) ) 400 mhz XScale - web browsing thru my Wifi networks (at home and work) securely and very high speeds, it all works with out a hitch.

Oh, and did I mention 1 GB CF cards for $200??? :D:D:D

[cbulock]

Originally posted by ___
Bryan, get the iPAQ H1910. You can play Quake and Argentum on it...and there is also a voice recorder and you can play DivX.

Some people use PDA's for things other than playing games and watching movies. Read what kkerruish said and you will see that there is much more to like on Palm's (for most people).

Oh, and kkerruish, you can always store your Mapopplis maps on the Mem Stick.

[cepler]

Originally posted by nbkzxl8
The Axiom is a solid box with some great features. The screen resolution approaches that of the NX70V

!?  How does the screen resolution approach that of the NX70V/U when it has 1/2 the number of pixels just like any other PPC?

240x320=76800

320x480=153600

Doesn't look that close to me..

[rob_squared]

What I fail to comprehend is why people who don't like palm pilots come to sites that do?

I mean, do you eat a cheeseburger if you are a vegetarian?

[Unregistered]

Originally posted by rob_squared
What I fail to comprehend is why people who don't like palm pilots come to sites that do?

I mean, do you eat a cheeseburger if you are a vegetarian?

I DO understand it. people like the technology, not just the system. Of course they like THEIR OWN system more one they're decided.
But after they swap at some point of time...

I read PocketPCThoughts and ohter sites all the time, because I'm interested in what they've got, and its usually really funny...
I also posted comments over there, because people are usually not really informed about the other system.
By reading all the sites, I'm allways astonished about how all pda-users more or less share the same mindset, hopes, and worries about their toys...

[Bryan Smith]

Why would I buy a Win CE PDA becasue it can play quake? I am looking for email capabilities, word files, wifi and a voice recorder-Clie has that and so I will not go to ipaq

[cpuhog]

Boys and Girls ... I'm going thru a PDA-depression cycle! I'm the proud owner of a NX70V (great PDA) ... but I must confess "I just bought an Axim 5(400Mhz)". I don't know why.

- Perhaps the price seemed right for a PPC with those features ....
- Maybe I was convinced that running a "windows" OS was going to help me have a better sync-up between Outllook and my PDA.

I'm looking at the Axim and it seems a bit cheap (well, it is!) and low quality compared to the NX.

why? whyyyyy I did this? I'm very close to sending the Axim back. Or perhaps I should keep it to calm my PPC curiosity cheaply....

I'm working hard in using my PDA (NX) daily ... I really want the peace and order that it may bring to my busy schedule... but it's hard moving from a note-pad life to a PDA... it gets complicated with the choices, NX or Axim5.

any words of support?

thx
C.

[davy19]

Originally posted by ___
Bryan, get the iPAQ H1910. You can play Quake and Argentum on it...and there is also a voice recorder and you can play DivX.



Quake on a PDA? Sorry some things were meant to be left for the pc with a 19 - 21 inch monitor.

I dont know how anyone can play quake on such a small screen, I think I would get a serious headache

[lanchman]

Bryan, buy the iPaq and put Linux on it, play with it. Buy the NZ and use it like you want to. I agree with the post about doc to go. I can't speak to anything pocketpc as I've never touch one that wasn't running Linux (only 2 at that).
I can understand why ppc users would be here. I've visited ppc sites to see what is being said about Palm OS, it's actually quite interesting to see what other people think that don't use it. ppc has a bunch of stuff that palm doesn't have and vise versa. It boils down to what you want. I personally don't care much for micro$oft, I use Linux and O/S X at home and Solaris and winblows at work. Palm gives me flexibility to go from platform to platform.

Good luck

[monkeygr@ss]

Originally posted by rob_squared
What I fail to comprehend is why people who don't like palm pilots come to sites that do?

I mean, do you eat a cheeseburger if you are a vegetarian?

Just because someone OWN's a PPC, does not mean they do not LIKE PalmOS!

Not everyone on either side of the fence is a PDA zealot who has nothing better to do with their time than bash the "other" OS.   I highly doubt I would have owned no less than 3 Clie's, bought a PalmIIIxe for my sister, recommended to 3 other friends that they purchase PalmOS devices, or bought an S320 for my daughter if I hated PalmOS.  Now that would be rather silly, wouldn't it?

Personally, I happened to feel like I had outgrown the current PalmOS functionality (and I didn't need a camera on my PDA, either) - so I picked up a PPC.  I am happy with my choice.  Just as I was happy when I got my other Palm PDA's because they fit my needs at the time I bought them.

And all of that is really secondary to the fact that I like to keep up with ALL sides of the PDA world, so that I'm not left in the dark (about any PDA OS) and free to make the correct decision on a device based on my current needs when I'm ready to upgrade.  I've been a member here for quite some time now, and I have several PalmOS devices that I am more or less responsible for maintaining.  Not to mention the friends that I have made here - I still enjoy their posts and ideas - even if they use a different OS on their PDA - OMIGAWD!  :p

And to apply your own analogy - Just because you are a vegetarian, does than mean you avoid eating at the same restaurant (or dinner table) with friends who may like to eat cheeseburgers?  ;)  Just a thought...

Oh, one last thing - last time I checked, a CLIE was a far cry from a "Palm Pilot"  Better watch out - several people here take offense to that kind of slander!! :D:D:D

[Bryan Smith]

Well after being in this dicussion and thinking a lo-I broke the bank and brought the most expensive PDA on the market-the NZ.
After one week of use I am in love with it and it does everything I always wanted a PDA to do and more!! No disappointments here. I really needed the 2 mega pixel camera and so that is what swung me; especially after forgetting my digital camera and having to catch a train to go back and find it, now it is all intergrated.
Yes a iPaq would be good if you do not need the camera but if you do the NZ is it.

I hope to try out the iPaq one day and we will see. I agree you buy what gives you the most functiuonality and os after that comment that is what I did. Thnaks guys!!

[mashoutposse]

Anyone with an NX or higher isn't missing a thing from PPC.

[rob_squared]

Saying "palm pilot" is easier than saying, Clie + handera + palm pilot + handspring. Following your reasoning, when I say Americans, I should list them by name.

[Spiral]

How about cheap memory storage with more drivers? That's something the nx/nz don't have.

Personally, I like both OS's

Saying "palm pilot" instead of Clie+handera+palm pilot+handspring is just a generalization. Personally, I use both, since some people if i say clie, go huh? while if i said palm pilot, they understand it more.

And a better example of Americans, listing by name, would be all the types of people, e.g. caucasian, hispanic, asian, native american, etc. American is just a generalization of all the types of people living in america (tho "america" should mean all of both north and south america). And also, the only true "Americans" are the Native Americans (the people who don't live in India and were incorrectly called "Indians" by columbus)

[Unregistered]

How about cheap memory storage with more drivers? That's something the nx/nz don't have.

That memory may be cheap, but it's also literally ten times slower than MS PRO. MS PRO runs at 20MBytes/sec, while that $250 1GB card everyone likes to bring up runs at 1.8MBytes/sec. So, capability-wise, you're still not missing a thing.

[monkeygr@ss]

Originally posted by Unregistered


That memory may be cheap, but it's also literally ten times slower than MS PRO. MS PRO runs at 20MBytes/sec, while that $250 1GB card everyone likes to bring up runs at 1.8MBytes/sec. So, capability-wise, you're still not missing a thing.

Um, that would be correct if there was currently a 1 GB MSPro available.

Which, last time I checked, there wasn't... ;)