NES emulation.

[JackAxe]

This emulator runs perfect on my PPC with sound and music. I was thinking that it would be a good start for any of the NX owners interested in finding developers for NES emulation on the Clie'.

http://sourceforge.net/projects/pnester

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[GoldenTiger]

http://sourceforge.net/projects/pnester

This is a PPC version of an NES emulator for an Xscale 200mhz CPU. Same power as the Clie... any chance a programmer here could do a port job? It's an open-source, GPL'd project, so it shouldn't be too hard :).

[Mas]

wow..id buy an NX just to get to play street fighter on it.
Do NX's work with the gamepad btw?

[winCEman]

Yes, the gamepad works like a charm, but make sure you download the latest drivers.

[cbulock]

Originally posted by Mas
wow..id buy an NX just to get to play street fighter on it.
Do NX's work with the gamepad btw?

Was Street Fighter ever released for the NES? I thought it was just a Super NES title.

[SteveIrwinFan]

There was a thread on this topic before the great deletion.&nbsp; I had e-mailed a couple of authors of PPC emulators, but didn't get much of a reply.&nbsp; I would love to be kept updated about these things though.&nbsp; I don't think there is anything I want more on my NX other than the CF support.

[Mas]

oh nuts..youre right...hmm..what games do i remember for my NES....hmm...MIKE TYSONS PUNCH OUT!..that was classic.

[cbulock]

BaseWars and Mario 3 are my favorites from the NES.

[yOyOYoo]

The best games for NES were the Megaman series...

I tried emailing the developers of PocketNes for PPC a while back, alas, no reply. =(

[DoctorDED]

M E T R O I D!!! That was the BOMB!

Super Mario Bros's and Duck Hunt came as one!!

85' was my first NES box, I was in 4th grade!

[JackAxe]

I owned a Sega in the eighties. Lifeforce was one of my favorites and of course Zelda. I borrowed my friend's NES which didn't have the cartridge lid to play Zelda. I had played it for about 9 hours without saving, got up to get something to drink, tripped on the controlor cord and the cartridge flew out of the NES. Took me all night to get caught back up. And of course I was saving the whole way. And there was the other time I was at school and my friend dropped Zelda 2, it shattered into a dozen pieces. :)

I bought a SNES for Street Figher 2. I also bought one of those arcade sticks to play it with. The SNES version CHEATED on difficulty 7. I ended up cracking my joystick down the middle seem. I had to tape it back together. I also chewed up my controller pads out of frustration and had ripped the cartridge out of the SNES and flung it accross the room several times. After about a month it did not have the plastic cover, but the game still worked as just a circuit board.

The only reason I posted this link was because PocketNester is new for the PPC side and they are optimizing it for the XScale. Most of the other NES emulators have kind of gone south with no new updates.

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[mshaf]

RBI baseball!!!!!!!!!

[gothicaleigh]

-The Legend of Zelda
-The Adventure of Link(Zelda 2)
-Metroid
-Tetris
-Mega Man 1 & 2
-Ultima : Exodus
-Final Fantasy
-Skate Or Die
-LifeForce
-Dragon Warrior 1 through 4
-Contra
-Super C
-Blaster Master
-Super Mario Bros. 1 through 3
-Ninja Gaiden
-Marble Madness
-Shadowgate
-1943
-Castlevania 1 & 2
-Karate Champ
-Bubble Bobble
-Excitebike
-StarTropics
-A Boy and His Blob
-Double Dragon
-Faxanadu
-Kabuki: Quantum Fighter
-Solstice
-Rad Racer
-Adventures of Bayou Billy
-Afterburner
-Guardian Legend
...and a lot more that I can't think of right now...

Do I want an NES emulator?
Hell Yes!!
:D

[cbulock]

Man, that list just brings back so many memories! :D

[JackAxe]

I have a majority of those on my Micro Drive. NES emulation would be best on a Clie'. The litte gamepad is really easy to hold and works well. My d-pad on my PPC is kind of mushy and the buttons are cramped.

Zelda is coming, drooooooooooooooool.

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[gothicaleigh]

Man, that list just brings back so many memories! ~cbulock

Yeah, that's the majority of my NES collection(I think I will drag out the old NES and go through a few games this weekend :) ).

[gothicaleigh]

Zelda is coming, drooooooooooooooool. ~JackAxe

I've even grown to like Link's new look. The facial expressions are the best. Nintendo does no wrong. The gamecube has arguably the best graphics out there(the Xbox has more power, but the 'cube has the best looking games). Metroid:Prime, Pikmin, and Mario Sunshine are all great games that I'll be looking to emulate on my Clié 10 years from now. ;)
Zelda:The Windwaker will be the game of the year. Don't forget to preorder it next Sunday for the 2 free Zelda games. :D
oboyoboyoboyoboyoboy

[SteveIrwinFan]

Okay, so how do we get this done?&nbsp; I have e-mailed some companies, but nobody seems to be getting back to me.&nbsp; They started a thread for the CF driver, can we do a petition for a nintendo emulator, or should we just wait until someone comes up with it on their own?&nbsp; I am REALLY impatient, and thanks to Gothicaleigh's list of games I am getting even more impatient.

Oh, and here is some items for you die-hard fans...
Up-Up-Down-Down-Left-Right-Left-Right-B-A-Start
007-373-5963

[nevarDeath]

Originally posted by cbulock


Was Street Fighter ever released for the NES? I thought it was just a Super NES title.

yes actually there is a street fighter for NES, but it's a strange mix of side scrolling and fighting, it kind of sucks IMO

[JackAxe]

Thanks, I forgot about the 2 extra games for Zela.:)

Link is ultra cool, I was amazed at how he looked when I first saw the video. I'm into swirlies and cartoons, so this Zelda has my complete attention.

The GameCube also has the best 4 player console game, Mario Party.:D


The petition would probably get someones attention. But I personally wouldn't want to send it to any of the freeware NES emulator sites since they are doing most of this stuff in their free time.

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[iebnn]

I'm sure every developer of PPC NES/etc emulators have already gotten MANY emails about porting it to Palm, so do not be surprised if they stop responding. Don't flood them with emails, they only pisses people off (would you like people to send you tons of emails all asking the same thing?)

[DoctorDED]

Off the subjuct:

You know what is worth the $69 Bucks is Gameboy Advance. My wife bought onefor me last year, and she got me Super Mario Advance which is Mario Bros 2 for NES, that rocked! T
hey have some great game for this handheld, and there CHEAP! One that that suck on the older one it no back lit, but they fixed that. Or you can make you own light. I the kid that will never grow up! =)

www.GBALight.com

[JackAxe]

I have one of those and I installed my own backlight. But in 2 months, I will be buying the new GBA clamshell design wth built in battery and backlight.

Nintendo was supposed to release a module in December that would allow a GBA games to be played in the the GameCube but they pushed it back until this summer.

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[Unregistered]

It's funny how Palm doesn't even have NES emulators while PPCs are getting Gameboy Advanced emulators. Just shows how weak Palms are.

[JackAxe]

Hey, I've been looking for a GBA emulator for my PPC, can you point me to a link?

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[cbulock]

Originally posted by Unregistered
It's funny how Palm doesn't even have NES emulators while PPCs are getting Gameboy Advanced emulators. Just shows how weak Palms are.

No, Palms are just now catching up to the processing power of the PPC's. The first ARM processors in Palms came out in October. That was only four months ago!! Give it some time.

[iebnn]

Mostly the old PPCs with 206Mhz StrongARM CPUs were the best for emulating games. The new XScale 400mhz ones aren't as fast. PPCs have had 206Mhz for a long time now (years). As cbulock said, Palms have only had around that much for 4 months.

[DoctorDED]

Originally posted by iebnn
Mostly the old PPCs with 206Mhz StrongARM CPUs were the best for emulating games. The new XScale 400mhz ones aren't as fast. PPCs have had 206Mhz for a long time now (years). As cbulock said, Palms have only had around that much for 4 months.

You need to realize that a GBA is running an ARM processor running at 166Mhz, and with 256K memory. So you will need horse power! I mean you need a PIII minimum to use the Windows 98 emulator, just so it doesn't play slow.

[Mas]

Man, all I've got to say is that I hope someone is taking a serious look at this forum and consider really making one.

With Palms like the Tungsten T and the Garmin iQue with their big processing power, its not ONLY Clies that have the ability to power such a program and thus lets the Emulator programmers know that their product wont be for just a specific market within Palm users..

[cbulock]

Originally posted by DoctorDED


You need to realize that a GBA is running an ARM processor running at 166Mhz, and with 256K memory. So you will need horse power! I mean you need a PIII minimum to use the Windows 98 emulator, just so it doesn't play slow.

Well, if GBA is running an ARM processor, and so is PPC and Palm, it would seem that it wouldn't be that hard to create an emulator.

[Mas]

from Deds statement it seems that you need a whole lot more than 200Mhz to run an emulator of a system that uses a 166mhz processor. If so then okay...i dont knwo the technical specifications of programs nor the true requirements to run them flawlessly..

[iebnn]

cbulock: You're forgetting that the GBA OS focuses only on gaming. The Palm OS isn't optimized nearly as much for just games. Speed would be an issue. Also, the OSs are different - you can emulate windows stuff in Linux, but it isn't going to be as fast (

[DoctorDED]

Originally posted by cbulock


Well, if GBA is running an ARM processor, and so is PPC and Palm, it would seem that it wouldn't be that hard to create an emulator.

The key word here is "EMULATOR" or "EMULATION". You trying to emulate a program that that was specially designed for that device. This is the reason why emulator take up so much processor power on you PC's. Look a Palm OS Emulator when you running it on a Windows 2000 box, or Windows XP. Note the CPU usage on TASK MANAGER. Pretty high! I'm not trying to pop anyone's bubble but this will be a difficult task for a programmer to handle.

[cbulock]

I realize it's an emulator, but I just meant that the main CPU wouldn't need to be emulated since they are using the same instruction sets. On a PC you would still need to emulate the CPU.

[Zork]

Back to reality. The GBA uses a 32 bit ARM7TDMI RISC CPU running at 16.78 MHz. As every ARM CPU it has a common subset, but there are CPU specific additions which differs between each ARM model. That means, yes, most ARM opcodes could be pipelined directly to the Palm OS 5 CPU. But everything beside the ARM core opcodes has to be emulated. And the GBA really got all its power from the CPU. No custom ICs, no nothing (beside the usual IO stuff, but that has to be emulatd anyway). So GBA emulation aint any prob at all on any ARM PDA.
The problem is a different one. Windows and therefor Pocket PC developers are amazingly lazy. That means, that there are only 2 reasons for the wave of emulation software for the PPCs : First cause there arent any original games avail for Pocket PCs. Most developers stopped developing games for the PPC, cause since Palm OS 5 is released there is no market for PPCs anymore (havin a lot of emulation software is always a sing for a lack of original games) . And second, cause all of them are simply ported versions from their Windows counterparts. Porting Windows applications to PPC is fastly done, cause most Windows MFC classes are also exists for WinCE. But there is one major problem with that "advantage" : the emulation software is unbelievable slow, cause thos emulators are made for a CPU (P3 or P4) with a complete different architecture with a complete different way of executin opcodes. So even that thos recompiled emulator sources are indeed C or C++ sources usually, they are already optimized for CISC CPUs. And if you dont optimize your applications for the ARM CPU (like Tomb Raider did for example as one of the few real PPC games) they are worth sh*t.
So thats the main difference between Palm emulation software and PPC emuation software. And thats why Palm versions are always way faster then there PPC counterparts and why PPCs have a way smaller battery life then Palms. Cause Palm OS applications cant be simply ported. And therefor developers always have the CPU in mind they are developing for. And Palm versions also look amazingly compared to PPC games, cause they have twice the resolution of the antique PPC screen.
So gaming and emulation is Palm only stuff. Except you like to see recompiled Windows sources with the speed of some slideshow ;) .

[JackAxe]

On the PPC side, I don't completely agree with lazy comment, nor the lack of new software. One note, most gamers are PC users, most game programers are PC users. Most of these people buy Pocket PC's so they're going to develop for the PDA they own. Sad but true.

PocketNester is a good example of good development on the Pocket PC. This is also true for ScumVM<The Clie's version also ROCKS!!!>, BF Engine and CEgg. These emulators run great. The latest version of PocketSNES has also proven to be good, but it's still not great. RPG's average about 23 fps, sidescrollers about 20, both without sound. Much better then previous SNES emulators that were slower then something dead.

Just a note about the XScale and ARM compatibility. On the Pocket PC side, the XScale actually has to emulate the StrongArm for backwards compatibility, this is one of the reasons a 400MHz XScale performs pretty much the same as a StronArm 206. So even though a GBA uses an ARM, it's not an XScale, so there has to be some type of emulation. Plus you're forgetting the GPU and SPU. That's 3 processors the Clie's would need to emulate. And if I were to compare a GBA to a SNES, the GBA has way more power. So I really don't see how a 200Mhz XScale could emulate a GBA at a playable speed.

On on the CPU note, the XScale just like the P4 sacrificed overall speed for higher clock numbers. So it's going to be a bit before the XScale shows it's true performance. Another issue the XScale has, is that PDA memory is to slow. Intel has recognized this and has announced a new batch of XScales with 200MHz front side buses. This will supposeable reslove some of the major speed issues that can not be solve by software optimization.

So in my rambling opinion, GBA emulation will not be playable on the Clie' until Intel releases it's next batch of XScales and SONY has incorporated them.

In the meantime, buy this.
http://www.cube-europe.com/news.php?nid=3368

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[Zork]

JackAxe, PC users buy Palm OS devices, cause the PPC market share is decreasin since 2002 and never even reached a third of the complete PDa market (why buyin a PPC now anyway when Palm and Sony offer now the same CPU and beside that the way faster OS with double the resolution ?).
And bout the GBA : There is no GPU at the GBA. the CPU is doin that stuff. and the CPU is also processin the sound. check the GBA emulation developer sites for that stuff. Its amazing what a small ARM CPU at 16.78 MHz could do.
And as you mentioned the XScale has a different structure which is optimized only for high cycles, but not for speed. Thats a real stupid way, cause it consumesmore power, but Intel always produced slower CPUs with higher cycle rates (the P4 with its huge pipeline stage count is the best example for this. Thats and the "missing" FPU inside the P4 is the main reason why the P4 is way slower then the AMD CPU).
But back to GBA stuff. The core is same for every ARM CPU. So you simply have to put thos opcodes you could check at some hash table inside your source directly to the CPU. Thats wasting just a few cycles compared with the real CPU. And for the TDMI opcodes : This are the ones which really have to software emulated (converted to a set of ARM opcodes which essentially doin the same thing). But this is optimized emulation and therefor no Windows stuff. Windows developers takin windows sources, recompiling them, replacing the few not inlcuded APIs or MFC classes with the existing ones and calling it a new game, which really is a horrible slow, cause not optimized at all piece of recompiling.
Palm developers on the other side are the ones which are familiar with their platform and therefor optimize applications for their platform (and therefor not doin stup*d things like porting a application done for 1024*768 directly do a 320 * 240 screen were almost a third of the screen space is wasted for GUI elements which make no sense at all on a PDA version).
BTW The way of emulation I described above works perfectly and is already tested. check for example PSX emulation inside the PS2. works like the original and even better, cause the PS" used the same MPIS core like the Ps2 with its MIPS r5900. Or take for example AMax for the Amiga. It emulated the 68000 Mac on the Amiga with identic 68000 CPU with almost original speed (AMax were the missing link for me then to migrate from the Amiga to the Mac ;) ). So havin the same CPU core (!) is some huge advantage when you doin emulation. But you also have to realize that potential, which is virtually impossible for Pocket PC cause their developers almost never do native development and even if they do, they arent including any optimization.

[JackAxe]

This is why I mentioned the GPU. Here's a link to some specs. But I agree with everything else. This link could be wrong though.

http://gbd.4t.com/articles/0005%20-%20GBA%20Specs.htm

PALM developer overall seem more devoted. ScumVM and Phonix are excellent examples of that. I bought my Pocket PC for Flash development, needed to stay compatible. The games were extra. =) And on the Pocket PC note, I overclocked it from 400MHz to 500. Oooooh, It gave me another 3-4 fps with Pocket Nester.

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[Zork]

JackAxe, I see. The author of this specs mismatched the graphical functions of the GBA ARM with a real GPU and SPU. All this stuff (even sprite collision detection) is done by the good, ol CPU. All the register mentioned at the specs are ... part of the CPU. There is some site Ive seen when there were some dicussion bout GBA emulation a few weeks ago and there someone took apart the GBA. And there were just one IC on the mainboard : the CPU (k, there were two others too, but that were just the usual IO stuff ;) ).
Also thought that the GBA have to include a GPU cause of its amazing graphx (for a handheld). But everyting is done by CPU. but that also menas indeed, that there are dozens of opcodes which arent part of the ARM core at all. So dozens of instructions and registers have to be emulated by software. But that shouldnt be any prob with the Clie bein more then 12 times faster then the GBA.
So if you really like to see real GBA emulation you have to wait for some Palm developer doin it ;) . Its some huge advantage that Palm offers now also devices with 320 * 320 (btw way more then any PPC out there ever could do ;) ) so that this 160 * 160 backbag is gone forever (beside that the Clie uses different libs for HiRes and HiRes+, but that shouldnt be the real prob at development (more or less using different libs during compilation)) which is some huge step forward for emulation and original games for PDAs.
If someone is thinking bout doin a GBA emulation for the Clie, perhaps I could help a little. But this is surely some project were a lot of information have to be sampled first at the net (bout the GBA CPU and even more the Clie CPU) before CodeWarrior could be started for the first time ;) .

[iebnn]

Originally posted by Zork
(why buyin a PPC now anyway when Palm and Sony offer now the same CPU and beside that the way faster OS with double the resolution ?)..

Because PPCs are half the price, of course. $200-$300 less is a big difference.

[Zork]

iebnn, not even a quarter of the truth since Palm lowered its prices. Now every PPC with similiar hardware is twice as expensive as the Tungsten (and dont include the Dell stuff. They a complete desaster at every preview out there and Palm did an awesome move by releasing their much awaited OS 5 devices at the same timeframe as the Dell PPCs, so noone spoke of them anymore). Sony is indeed (as always ;) ) something else, but there arent any PPCs out there which come even close the Clie featurewise as some Personal Entertainment Organizer.
So sorry, no argument left for buyin a PPC beside pure fanatism.
ps : Is autobotnation on EFNet, iebnn ?

[mowog]

IMHO I think that the PPC has a whole lot more going for it.

There is so much expansion available to it and the software that I would want is readily available(streetmap gps for the UK and London in particular).
I know my Clie has a much better resolution and screen but there just doen't seem to be much software that actually uses the 320x480 res. I am after a hirez+ account package and can't find one. I would like a speccy emulator and can't find one. I would like to play AOE or something similar but can't find one. I want to pay £50 for a bluetooth addon and not £169. I want to add 1gb memory card but can't. I want to add wifi, a good web browser that works and uses the 320x480.
What is the point of having decent sound and good hirez+ graphics but little software to support it.

I know that in time the Palm will catch up after it has only just got 206mhz, but PPC has had that for years and has indeed moved on to 400mhz. Yes 400 is still slow coz of the software around, but if we are talking about waiting for software to take advantage of the new processors in the Palms then just wait till the 400's in the PPC are used effectivily.

So what should my next PDA be? It seems that the PPC will always be one step ahead.......

[Zork]

Hey mowog,

there are some majr faults at your arguments. GPS software is avail mainly for Palm. there are three concurencing products which are all top level and supports even HiRes (means you see much more of your map then with the tiny PPC screen).
And almost any recent software package (which is ten times more for the Palm then for the PPC) supports at least 320 * 320 which is already way more. And already hundreds of applications using also HiRes+. Simply take a look at www.palmgear.com. there almost no recent package left which arent using at least HiRes.
There is some specy emulator, but this one is made for the good, ol OS 3.x Palms. So its limited to 160 * 160. With OS 5 this changes completely as you already could see, cause almost any PPC game developer builds now Palm versions too and many of them even stops PPC development completely (cause PPC market share always were almost non existing and with OS 5 it simply crashes).
For accounting software with HiRes support : there is so much avail that I cant post here just examples (simply take a look at PalmGear at Software/Financial for yourself for the rest) : Mobile Money and Pocket Money. Both are standard accounting applications. Pocket Money is even one of the few applications for Pocket PC too, but think bout 320 * 240 vs. 480 * 320 when you check your account overview w/o swapping page after page. Not to mention that it runs way slower on your Pocket PC then on the Clie or Palm.
Playin AOE one the PPC is simply impossible. this game cant be played with 320 * 240 at all. Thats also why Sim City 2000 for the PPC is nothing else then a waste of money and time, cause its unplayable with seein alnmost a fraction of the screen needed to have some working map overview. If you wanna see HiRes strategy games check Civilization for Clie or TikTak for Clie.
For the addons. The Tungsten offers the same slot as any PPC. So simply use your 1 GB expansion there (whyever you need 1 GB at a PDA - seems like you completely misunderstood the conception of a PDA ;) ).
And bout the CPU : XScale is way slower then the ARM 200 MHz. You still have to learn the lesson that MHz never ever tells anything bout processing speed. Its like sayin that some car with high rpm´s (thats whats MHz are really) are cars with a lot of hp. You see how stup*d it is to mismatch MHz with speed ? And Intel is one of the few companies which lives from folks like you, cause they always release the slowest CPUs and sacrifice anything which boosts speed (like small pipeline stages at the P4 for example) just to have a high MHz count, which are completely useless for you, cause in real life it make things slower). So if you want to see ten tiems more applications, almost any of them at 320 *320 and many at 480*320, like to have them run really fast and have at least twice the battery life then simply buy a Clie or Palm. Otherwise buy a dead platform noone chooses anymore since OS 5 were released.
And one last one : Ever surfed around the net with a 320 * 240 screen ? Its like watching the ocean through a keyhole :) . So the web is Palm OS only area since HiRez+ .

[mowog]

OK......I have seen GPS software but none that take advantage of the hirez+. I have not seen any that provide voice directions and can display both map and directions like the Tom Tom Nav package.....

I was not awre the Mobile Moiney and Pocket Money run at Hirez+ so I will be giving them ago.

I have tried AOE and found it great fun and playable. I have tried TikTakand don't know how you can compare a board game with AOE??? I have heard of Civ for Palm but have not yet found it for downloading....

PPC Allows for CF memory expansion to take place and provide the user with 1gb+. This is great for movies, MP3's and photo albums...... The most my memorystick currently allows is 128k with a view to increase in the near future.

Thank you for clearing up the processor arena. I have often quoted this point to those who use PC's to my 1ghz G4. I shoould have known better.

The new thunderhawk web browser allow the PPC screen to display near perfect web pages on a landscape view. I have not found one Palm browser that works in Hirez+ and allows me to view in landscape.

If I was to stick with Palm, should I get another Clie or a Palm? What is the point of providing memorystick addons with a 16mb device that clearly needs to have a memorystick in place to be of any use(Back to the GPS thing again.)

[Zork]

mowog,

bout the web browsers :
You dont need landscape, cause you already have the same resolution keeping your Clie in portrait mode. Doesnt that show perfect how antique the PPC become ? and there are again many browsers which supports HiRes+. For exmaple check PocketLink and others again on www.palmgear.com and search for "web browser".
1 GB is avail for the Clie too from March on (with MS Pro) if you really need that much memory ;) .
and Civilization is almost done. should be avail at worst during march. And this is 320 * 320 !

And BTW Tom Tom is pure Palm software. But check also the other GPS solutions avail for the Palm (all of the supports the GPS connected to the Palm/Clie. Simply check the GPS menu item). And again : check www.palmgear.com : at Software/Travel/Travel-Navigation. And again : Most products there supports HiRes.

[mowog]

Thank you for the response.......I have been able to download and try pocketlink and it seems to work well in hirez+.Thank you.

I have tried several of the finance apps and none actually use hirez+ but mobile money is looking the better.

Have you got a link for Civilization, perhaps for previewing? This would be good to play.

I have tried the palmspec and found that I have to scroll my screen around to use it. Are there any others? Are there any other emulators?

[Zork]

mowog, yep, thats cause the Speccy emu were made for old Palms.
And there are some really kewl emulators for the Palm/Clie like Liberty (GameBoy emulation). And we will see way more software, when ARM development becomes even more popular (as mentioned here for example the GBA uses the same CPU core as the Clie and Palm - means emulation could be done really fast).
What I for myself really like to see on OS 4.x Clies is some Atari VCS 2600 emulation software. I would pay real money for playin for example Demon Attack, Frogger, PacMan, Empire Strikes Back, etc. on the clie. And the first version doesnt even have to include sound support. And the 33 MHz Clie wouldnt have any probs at all to emulate some real, real old and slow hardware like the late 70s Atari VCS 2600 (the problem would be more like emulating the raster interrupts VCS developers used for filling lines at the correct sync).
Some C64 emulation would be amazing too, but im not sure if that could be done on the 33 MHz OS 4.x Palms (but then again C64 emulation even run on my old 66 MHz PowerPC 601 Mac with FullScreen pixel doubling turned on. Power64 (that were the name of the software) werent as accurate as for example Frodo, but it played most games fine).
Bout Civilization :
Its done by Redshift andshould be released at worst at March. their home page is www.redshift.hu. BTW They also have some plan list bout future games they doin for the Palm :

Might&Magic -like RPG: It could based on M&M 3-4-5 style. It would be a great work, indeed.
Eye of the Beholder -like RPG: did you like it ? This is the classic real-time fantasy rpg. Settlers: Small, roman people, building a country. Funny.
Jagged Alliance: Commando with a group of mercenaries.
Defender of the Crown: strategy in the medieval England (featuring Robin Hood). Boulder Dash well-known small arcade
Dyna Blaster also well-known
Battle Cards fantasy card game, like Arcomage

Looks like a list of interesting games which are at least planned for our PDA ;) .