NX80, NZ90 or Tungsten 3? Can they match?

[gusanitoverde]

Like I mentioned in previous posts my best Palm device ever was my NX70V, and later I had an NX73 and did not liked it.
I was actually looking for a better camera.

I bought from Best buy an NZ90, I loved the size, the solid hardware, and the 2 Mega pixel camera is great! but I returned it because the following known issues:

1. Battery life-never really bothered me, but the battery reader would never show a steady reading on the battery, so I would be scared of the palm running out of juice.
2. Camera Application: Used to the one in the NX70, taking pictures was a snap, now with the NZ it takes 5 to 8 seconds to bring the camera out!
3. Video camera: Very bad resolution for such a great lens!
4. Not too much RAM

Now I got the NX80 because of the RAM, faster camera, but I am dissatisfied because of the following issues:

1. The camera is a pain when it goes in slow motion because of the light. I cannot take pictures unless the object and I are perfectly still! I prefer my old NX70 Camera, resolution is a great plus, but it is hard to take good pictures with this! Even in a room with good lighting, my pictures are too dark unless I turn on the light and brightness all the way up. A famous member of Cliesource told me that I could somehow bypass the slow motion with the light on, but I couldn’t do it.
2. Graffiti 2 is a pain, but I could live with that.

If I had the choice of staying with my NX80 or trading for an NZ90 What would you choose?

Now compare it with the new Tungsten T/3. I don’t mind to go back to Palm, but there is no camera for the Palm, and if I have to use the SD slot for it, is not worth it!, then how would I take videos like I do with the Clié?

Comments anyone?

[minhaferzz]

I would def go with the NX80. I previously owned the NZ90 and the battery life was very unpredictable with the camera app. Also, the size of the NZ90 was just a tad bigger than I would like. As for the T3, I love the specs and the form factor, but after owning the NX70, NZ90, and now NX80.. a built in keyboard is a must for me now. I do most of my inputing with the keyboard.. I used to be a die hard graffiti fan, but now I learned to love using the built in keyboard.

[r0b456]

I would stick with the NX80. But that's my opinion. The NZ90 has a touchy battery, and when you start using the camera it completely goes down the drain. It's really amazing how much juice that flash uses.

The camera problem that you are having exists with every Digital camera. All cameras use a slower shutter speed in low-light environments. When you flick on that light on the NX80, it immediately tells the NX80 that you are in a low-light environment and to slow down the shutter speed.

There is a way to turn on the light but maintain normal shutter speed, but it does not always work ...

I don't quite understand why the T3 is a consideration, since you are obviously placing a lot of emphasis on the Camera functionality. Unless of course you plan on purchasing the T3 and a stand-alone digital camera. In that situation, I would actually recommend that as your course of action. The camera built into a device like the NX70, NX80, Zire 71, and even the 2mp monster on the NZ90 are not really designed to be full camera replacements. Some people can get away with it as such, and I say more power to them. But for your needs, it really seems like you need a full-blown digital camera in addition to a PDA. If you go with the T3, then you'll want to get one that uses SD cards, as it would still allow you the ability to easily pop the memory card into the PDA and view pictures you've just snapped on the PDA's much better screen. I know that a lot of Panasonic cameras use SD cards. Some others probably do now as well.




-Rob

[yr3698]

for nz, juz keep another battery if it ran out.............

[smokeymountain]

I would stick with the nx80 - Amazing piece!!

[yoopermjm]

Honestly I'm so impressed with the T3 that I'm leaning heavily towards it.  The camera has never been that big a deal for me, it's just there.  The onboard keyboard is also more trouble than it's worth to me.  I almost always have my Clie in tablet mode.  As for the camera, when you compare the pics with a "real" digital camera there is really no comparison.  Sony is close to losing me on this one.  My only pause is to wait for OS6 and see what might be in a few months.

[n0m0n]

Originally posted by r0b456


There is a way to turn on the light but maintain normal shutter speed, but it does not always work ...



-Rob

How do you turn on the light without slowing up the shutter speed?
I have not heard of this as of yet.
Can you explain?
Thank you

[n2ifp]

I believe what he was saying is that the built-in capture light is turned on in the NX80, it automatically slows the shutter speed.

[gusanitoverde]

There must be a way to keep the clarity in the camera without getting the sutter to slow down... How come that does not happen in hte NZ90 or the NX70V?

[gusanitoverde]

in fact I find that more annoying that the 8 second wait on the camera application on the NZ90

[gusanitoverde]

At least with the NZ90 i could take nice photos... But if I could just do the same with this NX80, but the camera gets too dark... unless I turn on hte light, but then the slowness of the shutter makes my photos almost impossible to take. That's way i was leaning to the NZ90. My goodness... They all have their very down sides.

[gusanitoverde]

I was going to trade my brand new NX80V for a NZ90 with peripherals... Should I?

[brahamt]

I absolutely love the T3, but would never trade my NX80 for one. It just have too much functionality for me to give up my Clie. That said, Palm has absolutely stepped up to the plate with two of the best Palm OS devices that I did not buy (the T3 and the Zire 71).

[n2ifp]

I am seriously considering the T3! I am getting tired of Sony and it's proprietary BS! The closer I look at the T3, the more it has going for it. I don't need the camera either.

[Xaositek]

I had the opportunity to place with the T3, the entire NX line, and the UX-50. Aside from the usual NZ complaints of the battery, the NX line is quiet solid. They have made many improvements of the about year it has been around. The T3 gives the NX a run for its money, a very solid run. Although I am leaning towards the UX-50 for the WiFi and Bluetooth needs in one device. Having only Bluetooth on the T3 is a turnoff because I visit many areas that offer WiFi that I can use to sync my PDA to the PC or to AvantGo.
I feel asking someone elses opinion on what PDA to buy is like asking someone what their favorite food is and making it your own, you have to find what works best for you and what doesnt. The T3 is very solid and worth every consideration unless you want WiFi then head into the Clie line, in probably the NX or UX stuff

[twinsdad]

I am also tempted by the T3 which is the first palm device I considered in quite a while. The only thing holding me back is the keyboard and wifi. I use the keyboard 80% (at least) and would hate to give it up.
I like surfing the net on my nx-80 too. If the T3 had wifi capabilities then I probably would have already switched. But, with only one computer in the house and one at work, losing the internet would be a blow (and I am not buying a bluetooth phone to do it either).
Palm is getting closer all the time. A T3 with built in wifi will most likely send me over to the other side.

Don

[brahamt]

Originally posted by twinsdad

Palm is getting closer all the time. A T3 with built in wifi will most likely send me over to the other side.

Don

And a 1.3 MP camera and I'm done with Sony.

[yoopermjm]

I'm jumping.  Got My NX70, keyboard, 392 mb worth of memory sticks and case  listed in the classifieds.  Once it's gone, so am I.  All my old palm peripherals are still good as palm kept the palm universal connector.  That was what pushed me over the edge!  Sony never keeps the peripherals the same, except for the ms. 

[n0m0n]

I to am on the fence as to purchasing a T3.
I also think WiFi capabilities would make it more appealing.
I just want to try to remind myself that were only 2 months away form the launch of OS6.
I don't know what he differences between OS 5.2.1 are verse OS6, but I would think they would be noticeable ones.
Wouldn't you?

[Rick 098]

This
http://www.dynamism.com/zaurus7xx/index.shtml
is tempting me. No palm os, but no ppc. its linux!
(I love linux)

[r0b456]

Originally posted by gusanitoverde
There must be a way to keep the clarity in the camera without getting the sutter to slow down... How come that does not happen in hte NZ90 or the NX70V?



The NX80 is the only device that will get this probably because the NX80 is the only PDA that has a Capture light. The NX70 has no option to add more light, and the NZ90 uses a flash that eats batteries like they're tic-tacs.

1.) The capture light can increase the brightness of pictures in Certain conditions -- not all. It is not, I repeat NOT a Flash. It is a light. The problem you are having is that the light seems to be hardwired to sensors in the NX80 that tells it it's in a low light environment, so it slows down the shutter speed.

2.) The NX80 has a "Neutral Density Filter" -- it's a thin piece of polarized plastic that slides over the camera lens for use in very bright (outdoor) conditions. I live in Phoenix, where it's sunny pretty much all day, every day. So the ND filter does keep the sun from bleaching out colors in my outdoor pictures. However, it will only have adverse effects if you leave it on all the time. Especially in indoor pics.

3.) Just like on the NX70, you can increase the White Balance and Brightness in your photos through the Settings menu in the Clie Camera app. Don't leave White Balance to Auto. You're much better off manually setting it.


The capture light can add Some extra light in certain conditions. For some reason, certain conditions allow you to use the capture light without slowing down the shutter speed. I am not able to nail it down completely, but I belive that it's not simply a matter of "Capture Light On = Slow Shutter". I think that turning on the capture light turns on a light sensor in the device. Basically, while in my brightly lit office, I can turn on the capture light and the shutter speed remains normal -- until I aim the camera at a dark corner under my desk. The shutter speed slows and the dark area suddenly becomes more visible.

So basically, my thought on this, is that the capture light will only cause the shutter to slow down IF the capture light is not enough to increase the ambient light in the room. If you are trying to snap pictures outdoors at night, or in a dark room, then I don't think anything is going to help you turn out really good pictures Without slowing down the shutter. And quite frankly, I don't think even a Good Digital Camera is going to give you perfect pictures in poor lighting conditions -- even with a flash. That's when you get washed out colors, red-eye, etc. The best results with any camera are going to be a good lighting conditions. Outdoor is best, followed by florescent lighting. Tungsten lighting is going to be very poor, and ambient lighting (outdoor at night, with just street lights around for example) is going to give you pretty much all black photos. You could buy yourself a digital camera that cost as much as the NX80 ($600) and it still won't give you night time pics that are just as good as well lit pics.


My advice is to forget about the capture light. It seems to be some kind of compromise by Sony -- better than not having anything like on the NX70, but better than having a flash that sucks down batteries like on the NZ90. However, personally, it's too much to fiddle with. If I'm taking pictures and the lighting is no good, then I'm going to add another lightsource or just take the picture outside. But that's me.

[bighornsheep]

I prefer the euro nx73, it seems to be the best, BT, cf slot, good battery life, the list goes on.

I've heard issues with the T2 sliding mechanism, don't know if they have fixed that yet.

I think nz90 is out of the question because of size and price.

Between 80 and t3, I think it depends what you use your palm for. With me, I like how Sony makes their clie sexy looking and the CF slot to view picture is also a plus!

[yr3698]

Originally posted by bighornsheep
II think nz90 is out of the question because of size and price. 


r u kiddin me, nzs r sellin for round $420 at select places, lower than the nx80 even!!!!!!!!!!!!

[bighornsheep]

sorry,

I guess I should say from my understanding nz90 is/was more expensive. however I also understand nz90 does not support MS pro, so there's something else to consider.

[clie_wannabe]

i might go with the T3... it seems to have all the functionality of the nx80v (which i have).

as for the digital camera, well... most cellphones here in japan have resolutions that can go up as high as 2 million pixes (and having a sd card), and sometimes have a faster lense than the nx80v. meaning i can forego that specific functionality.

[rldunn]

Originally posted by brahamt
I absolutely love the T3, but would never trade my NX80 for one. It just have too much functionality for me to give up my Clie. That said, Palm has absolutely stepped up to the plate with two of the best Palm OS devices that I did not buy (the T3 and the Zire 71). Well said, I couldn't agree more. I've been drooling over the T3, but when I calm down and think about what my NX80 offers, I would really miss the Wifi, camera, keyboard, and built-in screen protection that the clamshell offers. I wish the NX80 status bar and VG worked the same way as the T3 though and that Clie Memo had an alarm like the T3 Notepad has. The T3 and Z71 are definitely sweet machines; I bought my wife a Z71 a few months ago because she doesn't need all the bells and whistles, and she absolutely loves it!!

I think these new releases are great news for the Palm OS community, since Sony will now have to go that much farther to impress us. Can't wait to see what OS6 brings us!!

[TinyMog]

Originally posted by clie_wannabe
i might go with the T3... it seems to have all the functionality of the nx80v (which i have).

Also missing the clamshell design ;) . It's nice to have the screen turn off when you close the lid on my NX60... :) Great for a HotSync which you won't be around for :p . When it finishes, the screen isn't left on in the cradle :cool: .

[n2ifp]

Originally posted by clie_wannabe
i might go with the T3... it seems to have all the functionality of the nx80v (which i have).

as for the digital camera, well... most cellphones here in japan have resolutions that can go up as high as 2 million pixes (and having a sd card), and sometimes have a faster lense than the nx80v. meaning i can forego that specific functionality.

I ordered two T3's this evening, so we will see.

I understand the T3 can be turned on/off with just the slider.

[twinsdad]

I had the original Tungsten for about 5 months and it was a pretty sweet design. Internally, it wasn't really ready.
the screen was mediocre, no mp3 play out of the box and the initial real one release was a joke.
still the slider design and 5 way directional pad were very nice and I miss that design.
Oh yeah, it does power on when you open the slider

Don

[PurpleMD]

Originally posted by twinsdad
I am also tempted by the T3 which is the first palm device I considered in quite a while. The only thing holding me back is the keyboard and wifi. I use the keyboard 80% (at least) and would hate to give it up.
I like surfing the net on my nx-80 too. If the T3 had wifi capabilities then I probably would have already switched. But, with only one computer in the house and one at work, losing the internet would be a blow (and I am not buying a bluetooth phone to do it either).
Palm is getting closer all the time. A T3 with built in wifi will most likely send me over to the other side.

Don

So if we don't use the keyboard or wireless, then moving over to Palm sounds like a plan.  I almost stopped at Fry's to "impulse" buy one on Wednesday...but since I just bought a new widescreen laptop the previous Wednesday (spilt water on my other one and fried it) and Lion King tickets the week before, I couldn't even pseudojustify the purchase!

 

[yr3698]

Originally posted by bighornsheep
sorry,

I guess I should say from my understanding nz90 is/was more expensive. however I also understand nz90 does not support MS pro, so there's something else to consider.

i think u missed out on an update, if u go to sonys support site, u will find the update for mspro for nz90, click here (http://www.ita.sel.sony.com/support/clie/)

[bighornsheep]

damn

Sorry 'bout my lack of updated information.
BUT, regardless the nz90 is too pricey and bulky.

How about TJ35?
that seems to be great for its price.
bigger ram, BT, 200mhz, mp3 etc.

I think that might actually be a better deal compared to T3.

[gusanitoverde]

Careful examination of NZ90: Let's say I could live with the Battery drain and I love the size of this brick. Is it a match at all for the NX80V?

[yr3698]

Originally posted by bighornsheep
damn

Sorry 'bout my lack of updated information.
BUT, regardless the nz90 is too pricey and bulky.

How about TJ35?
that seems to be great for its price.
bigger ram, BT, 200mhz, mp3 etc.

I think that might actually be a better deal compared to T3.

wait a min, tj35 dont have bt does it?

[yr3698]

Originally posted by gusanitoverde
Careful examination of NZ90: Let's say I could live with the Battery drain and I love the size of this brick. Is it a match at all for the NX80V?

i would say yes simply cuz im an nz fan, cam wise its better, memory wise worse, but it has bt. another thing to consider is next nz is due soon, but price will probly be high

[bighornsheep]

they're actually going to make another nz?

what are they putting on it?
3.2mp camera?

man it'll be like 3 grand probably

that is just insane.

[yr3698]

Originally posted by bighornsheep
they're actually going to make another nz?

what are they putting on it?
3.2mp camera?

man it'll be like 3 grand probably

that is just insane.

i dunno, i hope there is a next nz, there are rumors of a tv tuner, maybe a cellphone?

[n2ifp]

Maybe just before Thanksgiving...

[bighornsheep]

I talk to this guy at Sony Store @ Eaton Centre (Toronto, Canada)

he said It'll be basically a smaller version of current nz90 with better battery. But it'll only be available in europe to "enhance" nx73.

Perhaps euro friends can verify this for us.

[yr3698]

Originally posted by n2ifp
Maybe just before Thanksgiving...

Larry thats almost 2 months away!!

*grabs monitor and throws out the window CRASHH*

but then again, good time to save up

oh my, what have i done:eek:

[c2h2]

man, no offence but if u want better camera dont buy clie-cameras... buy a decent Digicam... the clie-cam is just for u take some notes, or quick pictures when u dont have a camera... dont expect any fine photo with extra detail with ur clie...

[yr3698]

Originally posted by c2h2
man, no offence but if u want better camera dont buy clie-cameras... buy a decent Digicam... the clie-cam is just for u take some notes, or quick pictures when u dont have a camera... dont expect any fine photo with extra detail with ur clie...

but theres nothing like the convenience of an all in one unit;), besides the nz cam isnt all that bad

[gusanitoverde]

I agree...

[gusanitoverde]

http://www.cliesource.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=28631

[Chinoz]

Ookay I just had the chance to play with the T3 today. And I must say.... Boooooooooo
I find that the nx80 is miles away from it