Why the NZ-90 is so bad?

[casiel]

Hi everyone, recently my brother show me his new NZ-90 but I readed that this model will be no more longer available and it's going to be discontinuided(correct me if I write wrong this word)

I Want to buy a NX-80V because I think It's suit my needs but since my brother tell me that his model it's a loooooot better I want to show him that he is wrong please tell me why It's a mistake buy a NZ-90 instead of an NX-80

[lostether]

It isn't really that helpful to determine which PDA is better than another, but which will suit you and your usage better. The NZ90 has a 2 mega-pixel camera and real flash, as well as built in BT. If these two things are not important to you, the NX80 would probably be the better buy. It has many apps in ROM and now I hear nearly 16 meg of free flash memory - amazing. Most owners of both models will tell you that they are extremely happy with their device. As long as the one you choose fits your needs you can't go wrong with either of them.

[Orincarnia]

um......real flash? i've heard it isn't useable after 2 shots, unless that camera update............

[jfer_rs]

Sure, that depends of your needing...

Both are a lot differents, and the differences are what makes one better of the other...

If you need a good camera, you "need" the NZ90, with its 2mp camera, but if you need the casual photos camera, with the 1.3mp camera of the nx80 is enough.

If you need bluetooth, you need the nz90, but if you don't care about it, the nx80 is good.

If the memory is a good concern, the 16rom memory+16ram memory of the nx80 are what you need, plus the mspro native compatilibity, that the nz90 doesn't have.

About the size, the Nz90 is bigger, if you want some little palm, the nx80.

And for the casual pics, the capture light of the nx80 is very good for spare-light places, but nothing compared with the nz90 flash, that will drain fast your battery.

So, the decision is only your...

[Orincarnia]

true, myself 2 weeks ago i would have said GET THE NZ90 but now that i think of it, 2 small resaons i wouldn't buy it and why i bought the nx, the thickness of the sceen is disproportionate to the thickness of the bottom part, i knwo its cause of the camera, and the fact that the flash won't work with the battery but 2 times, i was on a trip with my church and my friends dad has an nz90, but i was only able to use the flash once........but hey the color and dark photos come out pretty good without the flash. i agree if you aren't into serious picture taking, get the nx80 unless you like the video to tv function, which i adore, and the nice lights at the top of the screen.
ok basically theres pros and cons to the nz90, and it hurts me so.....i wish i could buy one and if you have the money to buy both, just get both and then return the one you don't like.

[cepler]

A PDA is only REALLY useful if you take it with you. If the NZ90 is so cumbersome that you will be unlikely to ALWAYS take it with you, then it is less useful as a PDA. This was a prime decision for my PDA choice, the ability to take it with me so it's there when I need it and will see more use.

A laptop is 'better' than a PDA, but do you strap one to your back wherever you go?

[oneeyesquare]

Flash works more than twice...Geeez. Based on one experience.... I've had my NZ since Feb 16. Decent performance with the flash. Not as good as a dedicated camera. Buy the spare battery...Trust me, it's an excellent COMBINED solution.
As for the original poster's dilemna, camera resolution, Bluetooth and internal memory are def. the highlight differences, though price seems to be dropping significantly on the NZ lately.

[Orincarnia]

i actually take my laptop everywhere i go whenever i don't know whats gonna happen

of course i dont take it when i'm just goin out with my family or friends, and of course i do take my pda everywhere, so i see your point

[yr3698]

man, the Nz-90 isnt bad, its juz different (awesome beyond compare). The poor thing has feelings, jeez.

[Orincarnia]

i feel the same way but i'm just saying i dont want one to make myself feel better, but your signature sums up whats goin on in my head

[smokeymountain]

Two reasons:
- It IS built like a brick
- The camera takes about 8 seconds to power on? GET REAL!!!

[Orincarnia]

ever held a brick? even proportinatly the nz90 is more areodynamic than a brick (not that you're gonna throw it or anyhting) and my friends camera only takes 6 seconds.........so ha!

[n2ifp]

There is no perfect PDA yet. They all have their good and bad points, whether it's looks, size, or features.:)

I wonder why I am getting logged out so frequently the past couple of days, it gets real annoying!:mad:

[YTTAN]

Originally posted by Orincarnia
um......real flash? i've heard it isn't useable after 2 shots, unless that camera update............

Even with the update, it will not last you a decent amount to shoot. And worst of all, after a few week on usage on this update, the battery fail to work normally or you can say it is weaken by the flash.

Sony should provide more capacity battery for NZ's cam or flash since they are removable.

[YTTAN]

Originally posted by cepler
A PDA is only REALLY useful if you take it with you. If the NZ90 is so cumbersome that you will be unlikely to ALWAYS take it with you, then it is less useful as a PDA. This was a prime decision for my PDA choice, the ability to take it with me so it's there when I need it and will see more use.



Agree on that.:D

[YTTAN]

Originally posted by Orincarnia
ever held a brick? even proportinatly the nz90 is more areodynamic than a brick (not that you're gonna throw it or anyhting) and my friends camera only takes 6 seconds.........so ha!


My NX80 take about half to a sec before you can shoot. What about that?:p

[YTTAN]

Originally posted by yr3698
man, the Nz-90 isnt bad, its juz different (awesome beyond compare). The poor thing has feelings, jeez.

If you owned it before, You will change your mind just like me.:)

[Orincarnia]

well my nx70 takes about 3/10 of a second to make it where i can shoot, beat that!

[gusanitoverde]

I wish i agreed with you, but I just had an NZ90 for a week and I returned it to the store, even though it costed me only $360.00 + about $150.00 in other misc in the clearance package.
Even tought I am not given to taking photos, when i take them, 8 seconds are too long o wait, most of the great shots that you could take are gone by the time yoiu get the shot. I could have lived with that, but if htere is something that really killed it is the video, I could not believe it. The resolution is worse than ever! The NX70 does a whole lot better job. I returned the unit, I tried also te NX73 and the video cam is bad also, but not as bad as the NZ90. I am going for the NX80, even though still the video cam is better in hte NX70, but I may have at least decent pictures in the NX80. I think the best unit I have ever had it was the NX70 which I no longer have, but went in the hunt for a better camera. The NX70 it is like the keyboard Korg 01/w pro, you wonder how come they don't make them anymore, or how come they did not enhance it to get better, being such masterpiece in it's time.

[Orincarnia]

wow that makes me feel like i made a really good choice in pdas, thanks, my friend zack says my pda sucks (but then again he doesn't have a pda so he might be a little biased)

[YTTAN]

Originally posted by Orincarnia
well my nx70 takes about 3/10 of a second to make it where i can shoot, beat that!

Ohh... I owned NX70 too but I never notice it can take a photo so fast...maybe the resolution make me giveup the idea to shoot a photo.:D

[penwatch1]

If you dislike the NZ-90 then thats OK but the camera is excellent and the NX-70 and NX-80 can't compare in performance and picture quality. The NZ-90 is not a "BRICK" it is a fully fuctional PDA with a Camera that no other PDA wether it be Pocket PC or Palm can compare.

[Orincarnia]

oh pocket pc couldn't compare even with a computer attached (it'd drain on the computers performance too) but the speed that the camera starts up at can make or break a candid moment

if you check my gallery one of the pictures i wouldn't have been able to get with the nz90

[Prozak]

Originally posted by Orincarnia
oh pocket pc couldn't compare even with a computer attached (it'd drain on the computers performance too) but the speed that the camera starts up at can make or break a candid moment

if you check my gallery one of the pictures i wouldn't have been able to get with the nz90

I looked at your gallery and didn't see anything real amazing. As for all of those saying the NZ-90 is a brick, I'm not sure what you mean because it really is only slightly bigger than the NX's.

NZ-90

3 x 5.6 x .9

NX-70

2.9 x 5.5 x .9

NX-73/80

2.9 x 5.3 x .9

NX-80

[YTTAN]

Originally posted by penwatch1
If you dislike the NZ-90 then thats OK but the camera is excellent and the NX-70 and NX-80 can't compare in performance and picture quality. The NZ-90 is not a "BRICK" it is a fully fuctional PDA with a Camera that no other PDA wether it be Pocket PC or Palm can compare.

What you say is correct in certain way, but do you think NZ90 is no still consider a 'slim portable' device (Palm OS) anymore?

It is much bigger than a normal clie size and it's performance is worst than a mini notebook.

NX80 is the limit, I can't accept anything bigger than that.
Unless it's got better resolution eg.640x480dpi or 400mhz and above with 32mb internal usage ram.
(Try to compare with Toshiba e750)

[YTTAN]

Originally posted by Prozak


I looked at your gallery and didn't see anything real amazing. As for all of those saying the NZ-90 is a brick, I'm not sure what you mean because it really is only slightly bigger than the NX's.

NZ-90

3 x 5.6 x .9

NX-70

2.9 x 5.5 x .9

NX-73/80

2.9 x 5.3 x .9

NX-80

Where do you get the info from? Sony? That is marketing strategy! They trying to confuse customer that they are about the same size but in fact is not especially when you hold it on your palm or you may try to put inside your front pant pocket to see the differences.

NZ90 dimension stated is actually not including the project part and it using the thinnest part while NX80 is including the projecting part(but still not 0.9 inch, it is 0.85inch).

You know what, the slim part of NX80 is less than 19mm=0.74 inch. Overall is about 20mm except the cam portion+retractable CF slot is slightly over 21mm.:)

[Prozak]

I got the info from Sony and Cnet.com, they both had the same numbers. But maybe you are right.

[gusanitoverde]

The size is not the issue. The camera is great. But why in the world Sony would decresase so significantly the resolution in the video cam? That really killed it. With the movies shot with the NX70 at least I could view them in my computer in half the size of the screen and are "watchable" but with the NZ90 and NX73 I could only see squares :(

[YTTAN]

well no matter how good is the 160x112 video is still 160x112dpi.
Get a normal digicam will give you from 320x240 to 640x480dpi video clip.

[gusanitoverde]

True, but is so practical and nice to have a videocam in your palm. Why put it there in the first place, oh well. I hope this gets better. Like someone said above in this tread, "there is no perfect palm" at the present time.