1src Forums - NZ brick or concrete block?

LITTLESIX

01-14-2003, 11:31 AM

Originally posted by johnfox
Do you have the link to the Clieplanet review? The specs from Sony don't indicate it's that much bigger than the NR/NX and is actually thinner..

that's cuz it's not. Per GoldenTiger (who's actually had one in his hands) and a RULER, (comparing the spec'd dimensions to my Nx)the NZ is about as thick as the thick end of the Nx.

Don't buy into the "brick" whining. These are probably all the same people who said the same thing when the Nx came out.

Deepfour

01-14-2003, 01:12 PM

Having held the baby in my hands and tried its functions it is no brick!
The Extra battery slot is groovy, CF slot doesn't stick out of the top and the weight is lighter than the NR.
Its about the same size as my NR in its leather case so will take up no more room in my Pocket!!!!

foghead

01-14-2003, 01:13 PM

Compared to the NX70, the NZ is 1/8 inch wider, 1/8 inch taller, 1/32 inch thinner and 2.3 oz. heavier.

That doesn't sound like much, but what does it mean? The 1/8 inch in length doesn't impact things too much. Most people don't hold it in this direction so it is a matter mostly of storage in pockets or packs or whatever. The NR/NX is huge, but honestly, the NZ doesn't feel that much longer.

The other two dimensions are important. To say that the NZ is 1/32 " thinner is factually true, but hugely deceptive. The NX is that thick for only a fraction of an inch and then over the next 2-1/2 inches, narrows down to about 19/32 of an inch. This is approximately 5/16 of an inch thinner than the NZ where your hand holds it. When you add in the additional 1/8 inch of width, this thing feels HUGE in your hand.

Don't forget the additional weight. 2.3 oz. doesn't sound like much, but the NX70 is only 8 oz, this means that the NZ is 1/3 heavier. Once again, this is very noticable.

BTW - Yes I have held one and it felt huge and heavy. Basically I was aware of holding and supporting it. When I would have preferred to be more aware of using it.

LITTLESIX

01-14-2003, 01:22 PM

Originally posted by foghead
Compared to the NX70, the NZ is 1/8 inch wider, 1/8 inch taller, 1/32 inch thinner and 2.3 OZ heavier.

That doesn't sound like much, but what does it mean? The i/8 inch in hight doesn't impat things too much. Most people don'y hold it in this direction so it is a matter mostly of storage in pockets or packs or whatever. The NR/NX is huge, but the honestly, the NZ doesn't feel that much longer.

The other two dimensions are important. To say that the NZ is 1/32 " thinner is factually true, but hugely deceptive. The NX is that thick for only a fraction of an inch and then over the next 2-1/2 inches, narrows dow to about 19/32 of an inch. This is approximately 5/16 of an inch thinner that the NZ where your hand holds it. When you add in the additional 1/8 inch of width, this thing feels HUGE in your hand.

Don't forget the additional weight. 2.3 OZ. doesn't sound like much, but the NX70 is only 8 OZ, this means that the NZ is 1/3 heavier. Once again, this is very noticable.

BTW - Yes I have held one and it felt huge and heavy. Basically I was aware of holding and supporting it. When I would have preferred to be more aware of using it.

Your consistency is admirable.

Well - all I can say is THANK GOD I work out 4x a week. Based on those numbers, I'm gonna need all the help I can get.

Big :rolleyes:

johnfox

01-14-2003, 01:27 PM

It's starting to remind me of my old Newton 130!... What a great machine, ahead of it's time but alas... it was a brick!

bromwich

01-14-2003, 01:51 PM

Ok, a NZ in the hand is worth two NX in the bush

gunrunner

01-14-2003, 01:56 PM

jeez...
People been b*tchin' and complainin' for a couple of years; when they gonna come out with Bluetooth?, when they gonna come out with a replaceable battery?, when we gonna get this? when we gonna get that? Damn!

Now you've got Wireless, Bluetooth, a 2M Pixel camera with flash, video out, voice recorder, replacable battery, a more efficient way of holding the stylus, Memory Stick Pro capable, and what do you do? B*tch about the size. Sony has put 10 lbs into a 5 lbs sack and you're still not happy.

You can make some of the people happy..... and all that.

jllcs

01-14-2003, 07:28 PM

Originally posted by gunrunner
jeez...
People been b*tchin' and complainin' for a couple of years; when they gonna come out with Bluetooth?, when they gonna come out with a replaceable battery?, when we gonna get this? when we gonna get that? Damn!

Now you've got Wireless, Bluetooth, a 2M Pixel camera with flash, video out, voice recorder, replacable battery, a more efficient way of holding the stylus, Memory Stick Pro capable, and what do you do? B*tch about the size. Sony has put 10 lbs into a 5 lbs sack and you're still not happy.

You can make some of the people happy..... and all that.

Same sentiment.

Some people are just like that (myself included), whinning and complaining. We want integral bluetooth, a megapixels CCD digicam, a big and comfortable integral keypad, a heavy-duty removable battery, a big and vibrant LCD screen, multimedia functionality, expansion slot, etc, etc, etc BUT we expect it to be the size of a Tungsten ??? maybe in a couple years time we will have that. Meanwhile, functionalities directly trade-of brick.

When I first saw the NX, I too was ranting how big and ugly it was. But at the end, I still bought one and love it. I think half of those who are ranting may end up early adopters of this NZ90. I will be among them

oneeyesquare

01-14-2003, 08:37 PM

Methinks the "brickies" are just jealous....:D

Mr. Thompson

01-14-2003, 09:13 PM

Having toted the HP100/200LX series around for years, the NZ will be no problem. Glad there are some "brickies." With less demand (which I seriously doubt), perhaps I won't have to wait as long to get a NZ. Anyone else checking the Dell Site daily for NZ deals? :D

mshaf

01-14-2003, 09:28 PM

I don't care what you all say...it's still huge!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

mshaf

01-14-2003, 09:30 PM

Maybe you all are trying to make up for some other inadequacy in your lives by buying something so big. Do us a favor and don't project your insecurities on us.

Ramin

01-14-2003, 09:55 PM

Originally posted by mshaf
I don't care what you all say...it's still huge!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Maybe you all are trying to make up for some other inadequacy in your lives by buying something so big. Do us a favor and don't project your insecurities on us.

Now now mshaf... no need to get all worked up... :D

LITTLESIX

01-14-2003, 11:10 PM

Originally posted by mshaf
Maybe you all are trying to make up for some other inadequacy in your lives by buying something so big. Do us a favor and don't project your insecurities on us.

I don't care what you all say...it's still huge!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yeah - thanks for contributing a VITAL post to the discussion. You've added soooo much. :rolleyes:

WE'RE not the ones screaming the same thing over, and over, and over, and over, and over again. WE'RE the ones telling you we've heard it - objection noted - nobody cared - get over it.

I won't even dignify your first sentence with a retort. It DOES however speak volumes about you.

Deepfour

01-15-2003, 01:17 AM

Maybe those who do think the size is too big for their pocket ought to try putting together all the products that the NZ covers - Digital camera, voice recorder, PDA, MP3, and more - in there pockets and see how they look?

rob_squared

01-15-2003, 02:29 AM

I agree that its a little too large, but at least its not the size of my MP2100. Or my HP 620LX for that matter.

bromwich

01-15-2003, 04:54 AM

Let's not kid ourselves, in a World dominated by image both functionality and size are important!

is that a NZ in your pocket or are you just pleased to see me?

gunrunner

01-15-2003, 08:56 AM

Now, if they had only incorporated a cell phone..... ;-}

Deepfour

01-15-2003, 09:04 AM

What about a tv tuner and radio built in too.......rumoured to be in the next 12 months in all seriousness.

gunrunner

01-15-2003, 09:14 AM

Not sure about the radio but it already has the Remote Control feature so effectively it has a TV Tuner.

LITTLESIX

01-15-2003, 09:25 AM

Originally posted by Deepfour
What about a tv tuner and radio built in too.......rumoured to be in the next 12 months in all seriousness.

If they do add those feats, I wouldn't jump to that model. For me - got no use for either of them.

Doggy

01-15-2003, 09:55 AM

...but I guess I am just not ready for an all in one unit. I would like to see a Clie with a built in cell phone but that's as far as it goes for right now.

IMO, the 2 MP camera and the MP3 player all sound nice but really are not as functional as separate units woud be. I bought the N760C over the N610 because it had the built in MP3 player and I found I don't use it that much because a 128 MB Memory Stick only holds 2 hours of music and I would be lucky to listen to those two hours before needing a battery recharge.

I can just imagine how the digital camera (with video function) would suck my batteries too.

My PDA is the most vital tool I have, it is my phone/address book and appointment calendar. I cannot afford to have it down because it needs a charge because I was listening to too much Sugarhill Gang's "Rapper's Delight" while mowing the lawn or climbing the stairmaster.

Think of the costs too : NZ90 is $800 and by the time you add in the costs of the memory sticks (anyone know what a 1 GB Memory Stick Pro will be?), you have priced yourself in the thousands!

EdFrmBrighthand

01-15-2003, 10:10 AM

Originally posted by johnfox
Do you have the link to the Clieplanet review? The specs from Sony don't indicate it's that much bigger than the NR/NX and is actually thinner..

You can see the comparison in the "first look" review I did on Brighthand:
http://www.brighthand.com/article/CES_Clie_NZ90

Originally posted by Deepfour
Maybe those who do think the size is too big for their pocket ought to try putting together all the products that the NZ covers - Digital camera, voice recorder, PDA, MP3, and more - in there pockets and see how they look?

This is a good point. No one would call the NX90 svelte but it is smaller than a comparable handheld and digital camera stuffed into the same pocket. If you are someone who doesn't need to carry a good digital camera with you everywhere, then the NX90 probably isn't for you. Take a look at one of Sony's other models.

drdjin

01-15-2003, 10:04 PM

Mr. Thompson, do you still carry the original Motorola BRICK phone around?!!!
I like my new Motorola T720:
Dimensions - .6"H x 1.9"W x 1"D
Standby Time - Up to 287 hours (Digital)
Usage Time - Up to 130 minutes (Digital)
Warranty - One Year
Weight - 4.0 oz.

Unregistered

01-15-2003, 10:47 PM

Originally posted by LITTLESIX

that's cuz it's not. Per GoldenTiger (who's actually had one in his hands) and a RULER, (comparing the spec'd dimensions to my Nx)the NZ is about as thick as the thick end of the Nx.

Don't buy into the "brick" whining. These are probably all the same people who said the same thing when the Nx came out.

Does anyone have an accurate measurement of how thick the NZ really is? Does the 29/32" measurement include the large bulge on the back or is that the thinnest point? Saying it's about as thick as the NX is pretty misleading if you're comparing the thinnest point on the NZ to the thickest point on the NX.

LITTLESIX

01-15-2003, 11:02 PM

the specs on sony's website have all the dimensions available to help you .

jedix

01-15-2003, 11:05 PM

I don't think it will be so bad. I can't wait to hold one in my hands!

oneeyesquare

01-15-2003, 11:31 PM

The camera end looks a bit thicker. I'm guessing 1 3/8"....

Nextmodelplz

01-16-2003, 01:10 PM

There are places where larger size is important...my pda isn't one of them....I'd gladly sacrifice some of the functions for less size.

I have been waiting for built in blue tooth in a lighter and smaller model for some time now though. Although I am glad everyone who wants/has? the NZ is happy with it....and I have been fairly patient wih Sony who has been catering to the gadgeteers for the last 2 years, but now I'd like something that is functional for professionals who don't want a bulge in the jacket pocket the size of a laptop.

With that said, I'll leave everyone to the petty bickering....for me, the first smaller model (that works well) and has built in BT will win. The difficulty is the ones available have a lot of small problems. In the rush to outdo the Jones, we have lost sight of the purpose of the pda.

jedix

01-16-2003, 02:07 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Nextmodelplz
[B]There are places where larger size is important...my pda isn't one of them....I'd gladly sacrifice some of the functions for less size.

It depend on if it's in your pants pocket or not! ;)

Medcat99

01-16-2003, 02:39 PM

Yes, size and function are important there.

robflem

01-17-2003, 11:47 PM

Originally posted by johnfox
Do you have the link to the Clieplanet review? The specs from Sony don't indicate it's that much bigger than the NR/NX and is actually thinner..
A photo of the NX on top of an NZ dramatically shows how much thicker the NZ is. It looks bulky compared to the NX and the NX, because of the expansion card slot, is bulkier than the NR, IMO.
:cool:

gunrunner

01-18-2003, 10:33 AM

I just have to wonder if and eight of an inch in two directions and two ounces REALLY make that much difference and is it really worth all the energy put into all this talk about it. I have an N760C, and I've held an NX and an NZ, I like the NZ. It has a good reliable feel. It is comfortable in my hand and easy to use.

I don't like the way it fits in the cradle but I know I can get over that "IF" I decide to buy one. Either way, I'm not going to burn up a bunch of airspace b*tchin' about features I know I'm going to have to learn to live with.

If there is something I really don't like I can contact Sony, tell the rep, and they will document my input and their engineering dept will pull the information for future reference.