Programable Remote Controls With NX80?

[hodson]

Are there any usable (Programable) remote controls that work with the NX80 yet (not the one that comes with the device!)?

It was my understanding that there were none a month ago.

FH3

[Dropzone]

Omniremote is not able to work. But I think someone mentioned mention about using the OR Lib file from advance d/l. Hmm, I tried it and it does not work.

[DarKIcE]

omniremote work perfectly on my NX80. I use the version 2.08

[hodson]

I can not get Omniremote 2.08 to work well. I have to be WAY to close to my receiving device to make it work.

FH3

[cepler]

As far as I'm aware there are no other remote programs that support the higher powered CIR of the NX line, which is tragic.

[Dropzone]

Hi DarkICe, how did you go about making it work? Like hodson, I have to go so close to the set to make it work.

[DarKIcE]

dont know how.. i just install like on my other clie!

[kp*]

I may have been the one who mentioned the beta ORlib download. This allows it to "work" as in not crash or refuse to display properly, but I have to be about two feet from the TV, and literally a foot from the cable box. Clie RMC works great range-wise, so there's nothing wrong with the NX80's transmitter, it just needs to use the enhanced Sony API. If they can make a 3rd-party app use the enhanced IR, and they can make a 3rd-party app that can run on OS5, when is somebody going to do BOTH??? :rolleyes:

[rob_squared]

Like I said somewhere else, the makers of Omniremote are working on it since they have access to the OS4 CIR api which they think might be compatible with the OS5 version. I wish them luck and look forward to 2.09.

[texco]

Like DarkIce, my clie remote woks perfectly on my NX80. I'm even using Clie Remote version 1.31. I just tried it a second ago. I was able to turn on my TV from as far as 8 feet.
I'm interested though, what are the improvements on ver. 2.0? Where can i download it?

[cepler]

I'd like to have a TiVo remote... :(

[hodson]

Texco...All of our Clie Remote 1.31's work because that is what came with the device. What some of us are looking for is another remote control program that is programable (the Clie Remote is not "programable", ie able to set up to run any RC device in the house). There are a couple of good programs available. It appears that there are none that work well with the NX80 yet.

FH3

[kp*]

Originally posted by rob_squared
Like I said somewhere else, the makers of Omniremote are working on it since they have access to the OS4 CIR api which they think might be compatible with the OS5 version. I wish them luck and look forward to 2.09.
Thanks, good to know. I was worried that OmniRemote hasn't been updated in what seems like forever, and I thought maybe they weren't really pursuing it. I certainly wish them luck. It seems like there are several 3rd-party remote makers that are close to this goal, I hope the competition helps them all.

[n2ifp]

Yes, this has been another burning issue for awhile now.:(

[neogin]

i have many sony stuff and clie remote doesn't work well on those sony vcr, av-amp, and dvd .. tv works great ..

[r0b456]

For those who were not aware, the NX80 actually has 2 IrDa "eyes". The first is the Consumer IR for using as a remote control -- best for distance use. The beam comes from the Ir port on the NX80 and points forward. The second is the high speed IR that is best for data transfers but has a far more limited distance (which is why Sony included the Consumer Ir in the first place). The beam comes from the Side of the device.

The problem right now is that, in typical Sony fashion, the API for the Consumer Ir unit in the NX80 has not been released by Sony. So 3rd party applications must use the standard Ir port intended for device-to-device beaming that comes from the side, rather than the more powerful port that comes from the top.

Right now, the only app available that uses the Consumer Ir functionality of the NX80 is Sony's own Clie Remote application.



The ironic thing, IMHO, is how so many people choose Palm devices because of a strong dislike of Microsoft's anti-trust issues and shady business practices. Yet here we have another device from Sony that is almost completely locked out. You have a keyboard, but can only use it for what Sony feels is necessary. You have a 1.3mp digital camera. But you can only use it with Sony's picture and movie applications. You have a powerful Ir port, but can only use it with Sony's remote control app. You have a universal Compact Flash slot. But you can only use it with Sony approved accessories, and very limited media so that you MUST use Sony's MS cards. It has enhanced audio abilities, but can only be used with Sony's audio player software. And on and on. It is absolutely no different than Microsoft releasing an operating system and Forcing you to use their bundled web browser. If anything, it's even more severe. Almost around ever turn, Sony seems to curb the consumer in order to ensure locking out any possible competition.

Don't get me wrong -- I love my NX80. I did not buy it for the purpose of using it's Consumer Ir port with a 3rd party app. I did not buy it to use it's CF slot. I had heard that Sony eased up a bit. And I had heard that some people were hacking it even further. But I bought it with the full presence of mind that I would only use the CF slot for *maybe* the Sony WiFi card. Really, I don't feel that I was "screwed" by Sony. Or anything like that. I think the NX80 is a good PDA. What upsets me, though, is that it is full of so much more potential. It could become a nearly Perfect PDA. What upsets me is that the only reason this potential is not used is because Sony wants to keep this sort of strangle-hold over consumers and developers alike.

[simonjonknight]

A wise council you keep there rOb456, it's as if Mr. Gates thought, "I know, I'll buy a few Sony shares, say a million or two." And hey presto, he owns the company.


cant agree with neogin, sorry. The Clie remote works fine on all my Sony gear, and Aiwa tv. If Sony was to release a few more drivers for other makes that would be good. Are they "in bed" with these manufacturers then?

However the reason for the posting was to say that I put Noviiremote on my N770C and it worked fine. Put it on my Nx73V (in OS5 mode) and it looks great but crashes every times you press ANY button!! Is this down to the Ir problems rOb456 mentioned or just lousy programming from Novii?

So go on corporate proggy guys..... get with the program, and start programming! And come on Sony, think Linux, not Microsoft!
Regards

SJK

[neogin]

omni remote worked too .. but it gave me too short range ..

anyone got the link to the list for all of the brand that clie remote support with model no. ?

[n2ifp]

Originally posted by neogin
omni remote worked too .. but it gave me too short range ..

anyone got the link to the list for all of the brand that clie remote support with model no. ?

Try the RMCEnhancer forum at Yahoogroups!

[n2ifp]

Originally posted by simonjonknight
However the reason for the posting was to say that I put Noviiremote on my N770C and it worked fine. Put it on my Nx73V (in OS5 mode) and it looks great but crashes every times you press ANY button!! Is this down to the Ir problems rOb456 mentioned or just lousy programming from Novii?
Regards

SJK

No, it's as r0b456 says, it's the blessed proprietary Sony API's, sorry!:(

[simonjonknight]

So, will our suffering never end?

Mind you, someone posted that a new Os5 patch was on its way out, so perhaps some headway has been made!

Cheers

SJK

[Nate1749]

fyi - there is a difference between Sony and Palm. You sort of compared apples and oranges. No one picks sony because they are an honest competetior, they are just as shady as Microsoft.

About Novii Remote,,,,, it says their new version will be released in Summer of 2003.... Anyone know when they feel that summer will be over?

-Nate

[AmyClie]

Originally posted by Nate1749
fyi - there is a difference between Sony and Palm. You sort of compared apples and oranges. No one picks sony because they are an honest competetior, they are just as shady as Microsoft.

About Novii Remote,,,,, it says their new version will be released in Summer of 2003.... Anyone know when they feel that summer will be over?

-Nate

They updated the site and now it says Fall of 2003.

[Nate1749]

I tried to download the listing to my pda and it says it will be released in late summer of 2003, but you're right when you just go to the product area it says fall 2003, didn't see that...

-Nate

[Pdasrock]

I'd have to say, as much as i love my nx, it SUCKS the way sony restricts so much. We could have better video recording, more flexible sound recording, picture taking, better universal remote(like a full scale learning remote), better 3rd party mp3 players, cf(modems, storage, bt, wifi, gps, radio etc.), better use of the keyboard, and so much more. WHY does sony do this? Am I missing something what do they get out of it?

[Nate1749]

pdasrock: market control = money = higher fiscal year end earnings = higher stock price = raise in your mutual fund = you retire on time...

Gotta be optimistic and see how it's helping you!

It is interesting to see on various message boards the mass confusion that the members have on the companies they support. The best are car boards where they just can't comprehend any business decision made by them. As happy as they want you to be, they are still responsible for making money efficiently.

-Nate

[r0b456]

Makes you wonder if there ever really was a time when a company grew and thrived by simply making a product that people wanted, and taking pride in that.


Now it just seems that everyone just wants to become publicly traded, inflate their stock, cash out, move to Colorado, and swim in a pool of money a la Scrooge McDuck. Deciding what product/service they make/sell to get there is pretty much an afterthought.

[Nate1749]

Well without getting too off topic, your quite right. However, it's not the companies fault as much as it is our cultures. The stockholders demand that they squeeze every penny they can to make more money. Imagine if a company came out tomorrow and said, you know making money isn't going to be our priority anymore, we're just going to focus on the products and services we make and sell and see how it comes out. Ha! Or imagine if you owned a small company, you may not be publicy traded but the bottom line still has a massive influence on all your business decisions. It wouldn't be an intelligent business decision if didn't account for that variable.

Interestingly enough though, Japan used to have a much different economic/market perspective than America did. Japan used to focus not on profit, but on market control (money would come later). It didn't matter if you made little or no money, so long as you're #1. Nissan for example didn't make a dime for a 7 year stretch starting in 1993 and the president had no plans of making any major changes. So finally the board realized that maybe this wasn't such a great idea after all, maybe being #4 and making money would be better than being #1 and losing it. So they fired that guy, brought in a guy from France, and he made changes throughout the entire company and the next year they made money and have been ever since.

This different perspective is also what started the idea that Japan was going to push the USA out of business in the 80s. People just didn't know that everyone didn't think like us (who would have thought) and just simply had a different approach and perspective on how to do business. However, japanese banks have now realized that the smartest loan to give may be someone who actually has the money to pay it back, so their business practices have changed quite a bit over the last decade.

Back to the topic.... Does anyone have a skin for omniiremote that looks really good? I'm not a fan of the default color changes that you can make.

-Nate

[A-OnE]

Hey when yall use the remote do you actually use it like a remote? IE without the stylus. It adds to the wow factor when your over a friends house and your showing them all the k00l crap the clie can do then after your done, you turn on the TV after you haven't told them that you can do that, and they freak out.

[Nate1749]

I always use the stylus, not worth making the screen the dirty to use a small brick as the remote; it is still really cool though.

What I find interesting is I have a Pioneer receiver in my basement that 3 universal remotes do not recognize, but my palm does!

-Nate