JackFlash / JackSprat for OS5

[oyakov]

As people may recall, Brayder promised on their web site to release an OS5 support by the end of January. I emailed Brayder a couple of days ago and got an answer today:

We anticipate a release for OS5 within the next two weeks.
Please continue to check our website at www.Brayder.com
for updates.

Well, we shall see...

[williepalm]

I've personally communicated with the Brayder company through email and through my experience, they're quite supportive.

[oyakov]

I love Brayder products, have used them for years. It's a pity it takes Brayder so long to develop OS5 support.

[vansouza]

Got an email today saying that it would be out in two weeks... like waiting for Christmas.

[n2ifp]

Originally posted by vansouza
Got an email today saying that it would be out in two weeks... like waiting for Christmas.

Right, but please be careful! It can also void yourSony warranty.

[outie]

PalmOS 5 Support
Update Feb 7, 2003PalmOS 5 support is closer. We have JackFlash working in-house. Once JackSprat is complete we will release beta versions.

[contempt]

awesome! i can't wait. goodbye stupid, sony appz. probably 2megs worth!

[GSC3D]

Anyone know any new info on JackFlash for OS5?

I havent seen any good info about it on the Brayder website, but sometimes you people seem to get info on such things before it gets there.

I cant wait to be rid of these sony crap-apps.

[vansouza]

They have a post dated Feb 07 stating that it will be soon ... beta first then the general roll out.

[EZCLIE]

Has anyone heard about updates for Jackflash or Jacksprat lately?

[blueflame]

which are the crap sony apps you reccomend gettin g rid of?

[EZCLIE]

Clie Viewer, Photo Editor, Photostand. And then I would like to put datebk5 and splashphoto in ROM.

[contempt]

These are the 'crap sony apps' (a lot of flash intro files):
1a.swf (19k)
2a.swf (8k)
2aa.swf (74k)
2ba.swf (26k)
2ca.swf (84k)
2da.swf (14k)
3a.swf (54k)
4a.swf (23k)
5a.swf (28k)
6a.swf (9k)
6aa.swf (18k)
6ba.swf (19k)
6ca.swf (21k)
6da.swf (24k)
7a.swf (14k)
abtgeo.swf (12k)
AddressBook (138k) [use agendus]
AmpDef (100k) [i don't use the remote]
Calculator (102k) [use megacalc]
ClieRMC (158k) [i don't use the remote]
clie.swf (32k)
ClieViewer (101k) [biggest crap app]
ClieAlbum (347k) [second biggest crap app]
ClieAlbum_temp (8k)
ClieAlbumDbMgr (49k)
ClieFiles (150k) [use mcfile]
DateBook (161k) [use agendus]
DemoLoader (2k)
DVDDef (125k) [i don't use the remote]
ent.swf (7k)
index.swf (63k)
loading.swf (16k)
main.swf (24k)
MemoPad (53k) [use wordsmith]
mm.swf (1k)
MSBackup (103k) [use backupman]
PhotoEditor (184k) [piece of crap]
PhotoStand (281k) [another big piece of turd]
PhotoStand_Res (638k) [this is huge]
ToDoList (65k) [use agendus]
TVDef (102k) [i don't use the remote]
VCRDef (112k) [i don't use the remote]

Could someone total this up for me. Or I'll do it later. It just makes me mad at how much space Sony wasted. Well not really wasted, stole away from our puny 16megs.

Come on Brayder, we need salvation!

[contempt]

Okay, that totals to 3569k or around 3.5megs of savings!!! That's a lot!!!

[Tixx]

Originally posted by contempt
Okay, that totals to 3569k or around 3.5megs of savings!!! That's a lot!!!

So we could get up to 14.5mb total. Still not the 16mb that it said on the box:(

[(oyo)]

Tixx, we are talking about ROM not RAM...

[Tixx]

Originally posted by (oyo)
Tixx, we are talking about ROM not RAM...

I know that. It is making up for the lost RAM.

[contempt]

Any chance for a class action suit? Similar to folks suing palm for the reported 64k color controversy from last year. Maybe we can all get free MSPro's out of it. :)

[outie]

great idea

[rldunn]

I wouldn't count on a class action lawsuit being successful. It DOES have 16MB of RAM; whether it's all available is irrelevant to that claim. And they did mention in several locations, such as their web site and in some of the documentation, that only 11MB was available.

[Cheechwhiz]

What about "Welcome"?
It shows up in my LauncherX card info as 713K. Can it go?

[contempt]

I thought about 'welcome' as well. However, that file actually contains the four dot sony animation that displays after you soft-reset the palm as well as the intro digitizer. Seems like a dangerous file to remove.

[Phalanx]

Well, it's almost been 3 weeks since oyakov started this thread. Any developments on the status of JackFlash/JackSprat for 0S5? I can't wait!

[jmg_NX21]

The possibilities:. REAL APPS in ROM... I look forward to this also...

[Dripps]

Does anyone know if you can remove Datebook (when it's possible) and still have the info entered into Agendus or Datebk5? I know they are using the same database and I'm afraid if I hit delete I'll loose my info! Also...what can you tell me about the flash files listed by contempt? I see them on my clie and don't know what they are for?! Wouldn't it be nice if you could open or look at some of those files to see what they are...not just the .swf files but many of the orphan files I probably have left over from installing and removing programs.

[jmg_NX21]

Your datebook uses datebookDB.prc in RAM. Your data should still be on your CLIE.

Back up before you do delete anything... in case of Emergency.

I'll probably BACK up/copy the files in ROM before I begin to experiment...

DOES this really VOID the warranty?

[contempt]

I'm not sure if it voids the warranty, but the previous version of JackSprat came with a great backup program. I used it on my N710 and delted the datebook, to do list, and address book, since i used agendus. All info was intact. Then when I got my NX, I ran the JackSprat backup program and reinstalled all the Sony factory apps perfectly and sold the unit on ebay. Worked like factory new.

Can't wait for the new versions.

[rldunn]

Originally posted by contempt
I thought about 'welcome' as well. However, that file actually contains the four dot sony animation that displays after you soft-reset the palm as well as the intro digitizer. Seems like a dangerous file to remove. Actually, this isn't true, at least on OS4 and earlier versions of the OS. It LOOKS like it's true, but I deleted the Welcome app on all of my other Clies that I had Jacksprat on, and after a hard reset, it would go directly to the 3 digitizing steps (the first of the 4 steps is actually a practice step that has no effect on the digitizer).

[jmg_NX21]

SO jacksprat helps you back up the ROM apps?
Cool...

[*YellowRose*]

waiting waiting waiting . . . ::sigh::

[Eric S]

Originally posted by Tixx


So we could get up to 14.5mb total. Still not the 16mb that it said on the box:(

Better than that, really, since there's already 4MB of unused space in FLASH, at least on the US version of the NX-60. That's enough room for every program I use on a weekly basis, so only the really rare stuff, or stuff that won't run in ROM will need to be in RAM or on MS.

[clieconverted]

Any update?

[stronggeek]

I received from Brader today:

Subject: Re: Brayder Tech Support Query
Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 09:59:23 -0500

We will be releasing a beta version of JackFlash for OS5 within the
next week. We anticipate a release of JackSprat soon after. Please
continue to check our website at www.Brayder.com for updates.

Thank you for your interest,

Brayder Support

I hope it happens!
Stronggeek

[rhart00]

saweet! 4 more mb. can't wait

[TheUltimate]

That would be a great help!!

[williepalm]

finally

[deadlyfoez]

So, correct me if I'm wrong, but does that mean, that if sony doesn't release os upgrades, and we have a few smart people who can grab the os code from another pda or another pda's upgrade, modify it to work for our device, and then use jackflash/sprat to add it to our device's and have a better os.

I understand that the os would have to be designed for our processor cause if os6 or whatever other os runs on different processor coding it would just screw things up if you tried it.

Hmmmmm.

Well we tried with the cf drivers, we could try for this too

Makes you wonder of the possibilities, the lawsuits, and whatever other fun you could get out of it

[rxmedicine]

oh gosh...i can't wait until they release this very valuable product....

[*YellowRose*]

Could anybody refresh my memory on Brayder's upgrade policy?  I had JackSprat for my N760, and got the upgrade for my NR ok . . . will I be able to get it for the NX or will I have to re-purchase it again?

Thanks for the info!

 

[rldunn]

Their current upgrade policy is you get free upgrades for a certain period; I believe it's 6 months. After that, you need to repurchase at full price. I'm probably just outside of the 6-month window, like I was last time I needed to upgrade :)

[*YellowRose*]

.:sigh:.

I probably am too, then.   Oh well.  Is the amount of meg we'll be able to access known yet?

[n0m0n]

Well if they continue to make people wait then everyone should be outside the 6
month policy and they can then sock it ot everyone...
Ok correct me if I am wrong...
In January they said they had a JackFlsh version working in house for OS5???
And they were WAITING until they perfected there JackSprat product for OS5???
Hmmmmmmm....
What I have heard is that they cant get JackSprat to work on a OS5 so the wait will
only force people to PAY $$$$$...
Good business, or Abusive of there loyal customer base which paid there way to
being in this position to begin with?
When I first purchased JackFlash there was no limitation as to future upgrades.
What I mean is that, all future upgrades were to be FREE to existing customers...
Only in recent years (past 1.5 or 2) with other companies charging for upgrades has
this changed so that there upgrade products have become chargeable...
What say you???

[contempt]

As a correction, they stated they couldn't get JackSprat to work correctly on Sony OS5 machines, not Palm OS5 machines.

They're definitely trying more to market these to the TT audience and not really to us. Sony support has always been available after the normal development. That's not to say they don't like us, they're just being business savvy.

I think what they do is incredible and they have always tried to perfect their problems. However, they are slow. They should at least allow free upgrades for all of us who have been waiting. We just have to be patient. You know it's gonna be good.

[Unregistered]

Just received an e-mail from Brayder support:

"We intend to release a beta version of JackFlash for
OS5 within the next few days. We will follow with
a new release of JackSprat shortly after. Please
continue to check our website at www.Brayder.com
for updates." - no mention of whether they have solved the sony os5 incompatibility issue or not for jacksprat...

Jeremy

[Submicron]

I would REALLY like to get the OS5 version!! I'm getting impatient. I don't need to wait for JackSprat to get both, just let me have the JackFlash now please!

[goyanian]

doesnt it make a difference for the ones which use Motorola Dragonball (i.e: TT) and ARM (i.e: NX)?

[DanT]

Originally posted by rldunn
Actually, this isn't true, at least on OS4 and earlier versions of the OS. It LOOKS like it's true, but I deleted the Welcome app on all of my other Clies that I had Jacksprat on, and after a hard reset, it would go directly to the 3 digitizing steps (the first of the 4 steps is actually a practice step that has no effect on the digitizer).

Same here, I deleted Welcome w/o problems.  You still can go to the Digitizer by tapping Prefs and select Digitizer from the drop-down category list.

[MerlinW]

I deleted welcome and demo also on the NR, everything worked fine.
On the other subject, upgrades, yea, I think that I might be over the 6 month free upgrade, I hope not though, maybe they will give a different price, (lower) for old customers?

[rldunn]

Don't get me wrong; I would love to get a free upgrade. And I would normally be pissed at a company that had a policy like this. But keep in mind that this software is like no other software out there. It's not like an app or a game that is the same software that runs on many different types of hardware. This app has to change for every new piece of hardware that's released. In this way, it's almost more like hardware than software, and you wouldn't expect to get a free hardware upgrade. So, I'll cut them some slack here. If everyone got free upgrades, they would eventually run out of money and wouldn't have any incentive to make this work on all the new hardware we buy, and if they weren't around, we really would be left with only hardware options.

[ilkera]

there is still no update...
why don't they just release what they have in house ?
we are all iMPATIENT !!!

[jbray]

Been asking for this since November of last year. We'll get the new version the same day Saddam disarms, aka NEVER!

[Dripps]

jbray that's not nice! They will release it when the have the software ready, don't you think? After all, selling this software keeps them alive and I expect they'd like to start selling this to all us anxious users ASAP. I applaud them for making sure this software works properly and won't screw up our Clies or create many dissatisfied users. If it was so easy we'd have Jack Flash, Jack Splat and CF drivers already!

[jbray]

If they cared about their customer base they wouldn't keep us in the dark!!! I've been in contact with them since November, and the contact has been the same every time. "We anticipate the release within the next 2 weeks". It's now 5 months later, and we still have nothing. I personally believe that they are waiting until the free upgrade period for their last version expires, so they can charge everybody full price for this version. It doesn't matter to me, because I haven't bought the current version, but to those who have, they are out of luck. I'm just sick of the lies they keep posting, just as I'm sick of the lies from Saddam, I thought it was a good analogy!!!!!!!!!

[kdn102]

I agree, they need to have a forum or at least a 'recent info' page to keep us informed on the progress.

[euroclie]

Originally posted by jbray
If they cared about their customer base they wouldn't keep us in the dark!!!

Although I'm not related to Bradyer in any way, it is my belief that this is a small company (I wouldn' be surprised if there was a single man handling the website, programming, public relation, etc...), so the more time they spend on posting news on the website or answering questions of impatient customers, the less time they spend on programming and testing.

I agree with you, having more info about the release date would be nice, but if you'd ever tried to write some decent program, you'd know that this can be a long and tedious task, especially if you have to test your program on mutlitple devices.

As for me, I'm as impatient as anyone here, but I didn't even mail them to know the release date of the OS5 version, for the reason mentionned above.

And the price is especially low for such a nice program, so I have the feeling that they largely deserve the few bucks they ask for JackFlash/JackSprat. I've already bought an upgrade for their product, and will certainly do so gladly as soon as the OS5 version is ready. Come on, man, we're talking about a $10 program for your $600 device, so take a deep breath, relax and do something pleasant to keep you happy while they work on the OS5 version! :):):)

[davidy]

$10 is a very small sum for the extra flash memory that we get. Thry may even have an upgrade price for existing clients. I wait eagerly.:)

Replied via Nexio S160!

[contempt]

Yeah the price is low for what you get. I'll definitely pay again if I have too (although I don't want to).

But what you're saying about time taken away from posting from the website, that's ridiculous. All it takes is one sentence stating, "we're delayed, wait another month," etc. They should at least realize so many people are waiting and to give us a sense of peace. Then again, they probably want all the hits to their site with eager people like me checking everyday!

[aussie_nx70v]

it would be nice to actually hear from the software developer and provide his/her view on this topic rather than the generic response we have all been seeing.

just a thought

[*YellowRose*]

.: PACING :.

.: TWIDDLING THUMBS :.

.: CHECKING CALENDAR :.

.: PACING :.

.: SIGH :.

I CAN'T WAIT!!!!!  Room . . . give me ram room .. . ....

[TheUltimate]

ram room....hmmm sounds more like a personal problem to me! :)

[stronggeek]

Originally posted by grandamgt00
ram room....hmmm sounds more like a personal problem to me! :)

That's too funny!

[flyclieguy]

I dont know where you get those figures, because I

datebook only takes up 1K
Clie Memo takes up 40k
clie viewer takes up 24K
and address only takes up 4k

[euroclie]

Originally posted by flyclieguy
I dont know where you get those figures, because I

datebook only takes up 1K
Clie Memo takes up 40k
clie viewer takes up 24K
and address only takes up 4k

Did you check the application size in ROM, using something like McFile or FileZ? It seems that you probably only looked at the databases (which contain your memos, addresses, agenda entries) and not at the executable themselves, which are indeed the size reported by contempt

[DanT]

If you look at the right file, the useless Clie Memo.prc takes about 345K. If the OS5 version of JS/JF is available, Clie Memo is one app that can be move to MS since it works just fine in MS even using OS4.1.