JackFlash For NX80 soon? It's here.

[cepler]

I sorta missed having JackFlash even though I gained that RAM back on the NX80, it still felt like I was missing something. Well, looks like we might get a little boost soon:

Chris:
I have seen a note that indicates an International version of the NX80 had
about 11 meg available with JF. I am not sure about the US versions nor
can I absolutely confirm the 11 meg.

I am still expecting the new beta to be released within a day or 2.

Looking forward to trying out a new beta on my NX80! :)

[cepler]

Oh look at that, beta 10 is out:

JackFlash 3.0b10 (September 3, 2003)
- Added support for the Sony NX73/NX80

*Downloads*

[cepler]

WOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOO!

I just threw beta 10 on my NX80 and I had nearly 15 meg of free flash space to use! AWESOME! I figured I'd be happy if I had 4 meg or more but when I heard 11 from Brayder I thought THAT was cool but to have more like 15 meg, very nice.

Question is, will Sony ever release any OS updates that write to the flash area? I still haven't seen any of those myself. For now, I can move my most used apps into flash for instant access :)

[sonycrazie]

Hi cepler,
Just a question about those free memory, will the extra memory be the so-called heap memory in the ROM to make Netfront more user friendly? Will it affect the performance of Netfront (e.g. getting a lot of PTL error message......) when you fill up that extra memory that you can now access??
Cheers
Stephen

[cepler]

I'm no expert in the memory on the NX80 but I believe the flash area is for the system files, ie: the core OS including the Netfront app etc, NOT for the HEAP area. This is just reserved extra space for future upgrades/updates etc as far as I'm aware.

[sonycrazie]

You are right. Just checked the spec. again for NX80 and it's the unused ROM Jackflash is trying to extract. We still have that large heap memory for web surfing.
Cheers
Stephen

[caseyatbt]

Originally posted by cepler
Oh look at that, beta 10 is out:





Cool, now we need eruware's cf driver for the nx80 and i will upgrade.......

[gvegaa]

WOW, WOW, WOW!!! Any other comments?. I want it!!!

[rldunn]

I downloaded it, but I'm waiting on my activation code (not very patiently!!). Oh man, 11-15 MB extra!! This will be sweet!!

[cepler]

Other comments? hmmmm...Well..

I now have 12227K free RAM and 7157K free FLASH, and I'm just about done loading apps into flash, amazing. I'm going to have plenty of free flash left over for stuff. It's nice getting some of the more common things off the MS and into flash.

Resco didn't like to run in FLASH tho, kept crashing when I hit the [Home] key to get out.

[kp*]

WOOOOHOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!! OMG! OMG! OMG!!!

This is the greatest day in the short history of the NX80!

I was just an hour ago making the difficult decision of which apps I would have to move to the MS because I had run out of room, now I have 15MB extra! I was expecting like 7MB, but this is like twice the Clie it was before!

Now I have to make the less difficult decision of what else I could buy in addition to JackFlash so I can use my Handango coupon. :D

[Eddy]

OMG :eek:
so much extra space available???
What will you possibily do with the extra space in RAM now?
I'm impressed! nice going there, thanks for the newest info. cepler! :D

[stronggeek]

Had a great day at work today and then come home and get on line to find out that my preciuos is going to be even more precious!

Just waiting on my code now.

Thanks for the info! :)

[YTTAN]

Wow! 16mb Ram + 15mb Rom = 31mb. That is a lot. I might throw away the powerrun now as all my applications can squeeze into the rom.

[kp*]

Originally posted by YTTAN
Wow! 16mb Ram + 15mb Rom = 31mb. That is a lot. I might throw away the powerrun now as all my applications can squeeze into the rom.
That really is great when you put it like that. I was so bummed because I felt like Sony slighted us NX users out of RAM so that the UX would look better when it was announced, but now we have more usable storage than any handheld except the T|C. :)

[stronggeek]

Originally posted by stronggeek
Had a great day at work today and then come home and get on line to find out that my preciuos is going to be even more precious!

Just waiting on my code now.

Thanks for the info! :)

This is me and I'm still waiting on a code.

[n2ifp]

Damn! Wow! I can't believe my RAM has just doubled!!!

This is totally awesome.

This is one time that I am glad that I was wrong!!!:D

I wonder what the NX73 gets now, anyone know??

[stronggeek]

Hey I just installed without the code and it worked.

Possibly because I was already registered with my NX70, but I still had to enter a code back then.

Anyway I've got 15,103K of Flash!

I'm too Happy! :)

[n2ifp]

Me too, I was already registered from my NX70.

Paul, tell, doesn't it feel good???

[stronggeek]

No doubt Larry!

It's Christmas in Sept. :)

The value of my investment has definitely increased tonight!

Definitely comfirms the hunch to go from the 70 to the 80 was a great decision. :)

[n2ifp]

Absolutely a great decsion!!

[stronggeek]

Originally posted by n2ifp
Damn! Wow! I can't believe my RAM has just doubled!!!

This is totally awesome.

This is one time that I am glad that I was wrong!!!:D

I wonder what the NX73 gets now, anyone know??

Larry, you weren't really wrong.

You just had doubts.

And I was staring to get them.

I understood what you were saying and I wonder how they did it.

I wonder if Sony left the flash unlocked after all.

Guess they had to.

Gotta go post in the NX73/80 Tips thread.

Have then having big fun!

Oh and the 15% off code at Handango still works.

Code "37c10"

I you know I just used it!

[kp*]

I got my reg. code in less than an hour (and in the middle of the night, no less). This is so awesome! I'm not sure I have enough apps to fill it all up with. Should be interesting to see how much available RAM I wind up with!

[yOyOYoo]

WOw, everyday I want an NX80 more and more.... I'm going to take a serious look at it over the weekend!

[n2ifp]

I got 14.3MB of RAM and 8.8MB of Flash left. Now the hard part, which apps to put in Flash? I still got 21MB to go in the Palm-Launcher folder, not counting the ones stored by ZLauncher. Oh what a dilemma... :D

[chopstxxx]

15103k free in ROM on my NX73

This is sweet

[bmat]

Does the amount of available flash ROM surprise anyone? It guess the internal programs were over 16 MBs, so SONY needed to put in 32 MBs of ROM, but I guess just seeing that much there (and the fact that it is unlocked) made me think that it's possible SONY might have planned it so as to upgrade to OS6.

OK, fantasy is over, back to reality.

[ricleo]

Originally posted by n2ifp
I got 14.3MB of RAM and 8.8MB of Flash left. Now the hard part, which apps to put in Flash? I still got 21MB to go in the Palm-Launcher folder, not counting the ones stored by ZLauncher. Oh what a dilemma... :D

I have transferred all my apps into Flash, including those in my Palm/Launcher folder. Now I have 14.3MB of RAM free and 5.6MB of Flash left.
Surprisingly, even though the manual specifically warned against placing databases into Flash, I have transferred almost all my databases into Flash, and everything runs perfectly. All my E-Books, bibles, everything is in Flash now. Even my images attached to the address book entries run fine from flash!

So far, I have only one program that doesn't work in Flash -> SplashPhoto.

[n2ifp]

Originally posted by ricleo


I have transferred all my apps into Flash, including those in my Palm/Launcher folder. Now I have 14.3MB of RAM free and 5.6MB of Flash left.
Surprisingly, even though the manual specifically warned against placing databases into Flash, I have transferred almost all my databases into Flash, and everything runs perfectly. All my E-Books, bibles, everything is in Flash now. Even my images attached to the address book entries run fine from flash!

So far, I have only one program that doesn't work in Flash -> SplashPhoto.

Right, It only becomes an issue if the database is NOT read only.

[Bendex]

Originally posted by bmat
Does the amount of available flash ROM surprise anyone? It guess the internal programs were over 16 MBs, so SONY needed to put in 32 MBs of ROM, but I guess just seeing that much there (and the fact that it is unlocked) made me think that it's possible SONY might have planned it so as to upgrade to OS6.

OK, fantasy is over, back to reality.

Even if Sony won't release an official upgrade to OS6, somebody will figure out a way to flash our OS5 Clies with OS6. Ooops!

[LeoW]

The light version of the new beta 3.0b10 shows me 11,5 MB (11776 kB) available Flash on a multilingual european NX73 with build in Bluetooth :)

That's rocks!

[evaoni]

holy crapola... does this 15mb include the "heap" memory used in NetFront or system memory? Also, it's damn worth the 20 bucks for JackFlash...neogin =P

[rldunn]

Man, I still haven't received my activation code yet :( I can't wait to try out all this space!!

[ricleo]

why ridunn? I bought mine 4 hours ago, got the password in less than 30 minutes from brayder :confused:

[evaoni]

I just bought mine from Handango (16.96 with coupon). They only had v2.6 for download. I downloaded it anyway. I then went to brayder's site and requested the new beta. I haven't gotten anything yet...

!!!!!!!!!!!!

[rldunn]

Originally posted by ricleo
why ridunn? I bought mine 4 hours ago, got the password in less than 30 minutes from brayder :confused: Not sure, but one difference is that you're a first-time buyer, while I already have a registered copy. However, the versions I had earlier didn't require an activation code, so maybe it's something related to that. Who knows, but I want it!!!! :)

[rldunn]

Wait, I just found out that they did send me an activation code about 6 months ago, so now I'm in. Woo hoo!!!!! Now I need to fill up this 15MB of space!!!!!! :D

[howdie247]

I'm planning on putting my Splashmoney and SplashID into my flash memory but my question is: will the data (bank account data and passwords) still be backed up on my computer when I hotsync with my computer? If I have to do a hard reset, will my data return to my NX when I hotsync? Thanks.

[evaoni]

Blah... apparently the handango database doesn't get updated with brayder's fast enough...

We were not able to find the address: <emailaddress>
in our database our registered users for JackFlash.

If you have just purchased the product, please try
again in one day. It can take a day or two for our
databases to be updated after a purchse.

If it has been more than three days and you are sure
that the product was registered with that email address,
then contact support@brayder.com for help. Otherwise,
you can use the address update form to change to your
current address: http://www.brayder.com/support/addresschange.html

Thank you.

The Support Team
Brayder Technologies Inc.

LAME =\

[rldunn]

Originally posted by howdie247
I'm planning on putting my Splashmoney and SplashID into my flash memory but my question is: will the data (bank account data and passwords) still be backed up on my computer when I hotsync with my computer? If I have to do a hard reset, will my data return to my NX when I hotsync? Thanks. In general, conduits see apps placed in Flash as if they are in RAM, so you shouldn't have any problem. Some apps do strange things with their conduits, so you might want to make a test entry to make sure it's working OK, but you should be fine. I ran SplashID out of Flash on an earlier device and it synced perfectly.

[n0m0n]

Has anyone moved Avantgo,and AGVersion up inot the Flash?
I have and I am getting MGR errors.
Can it be moved into flash, should one of them stay in Ran or on the card

[rldunn]

Oh man, this is awesome!!!! I now have 11.5MB free RAM, 5.5 MB free Flash, and 53MB free on my MS (since my 3 backups are all now so much smaller)!!!

[LeoW]

Has anyone moved Avantgo,and AGVersion up inot the Flash?

I put AvantGo in flash on an OS4.1 device and with the libmal.prc and avantggo.prc (the huge one) in flash and mobilelink.prc in ram it runs still perfect. Imho it should be the same on an OS5 device.

But I'm not decided to put Jackflash on my NX73, I'm not shure about the "heap".....

[rldunn]

I wouldn't worry about the heap. The heap is RAM that has been partitioned off. What Jackflash is accessing is Flash ROM, which is completely different.

[n0m0n]

Well when I put Avantgo, AGConnect, limbal, and ZLib, into the flash I cant sync Avantgo.
Also I get error messages when I try to open. and close Avantgo app.
If I move Avantgo out of the flashand back to the ram while leaving the rest in the flash, all is well.
BUT Avantgo is so large that I would rather move it into the Flash.
Hmmm hope I can get that 880k file into the flash somehow.

[LeoW]

Well, I won't worry about the heap anymore. :)

That's with the avantgo.prc sounds strange, because I run at the moment on my NX73 avantgo.prc from the Memory Stick /Palm/Launcher directory (all other is in ram) and the channels are on the card too. Thats works fine, so it shouldn't be essential to leave it in ram. Waht's happened, when you put only the mobilelink.prc in ram?

[stronggeek]

Originally posted by n0m0n
Well when I put Avantgo, AGConnect, limbal, and ZLib, into the flash I cant sync Avantgo.
Also I get error messages when I try to open. and close Avantgo app.
If I move Avantgo out of the flashand back to the ram while leaving the rest in the flash, all is well.
BUT Avantgo is so large that I would rather move it into the Flash.
Hmmm hope I can get that 880k file into the flash somehow.

I tried and it's one of the few apps that doesn't work in flash for on my NX80.

But I got so much ram to spare and just about everything else can go into&nbsp;flash (including many database like the Wordsmith dictionary and thesaurus, some huge games) and none of that ram or flash taken up by Netfront.

It's got it's own little home.

[ricleo]

yeah....I'm at a loss as to what to install into my 14.6 MB of free RAM and 4.5MB of flash remaining, haha....never knew so much internal memory can be so mentally taxing too :p

[YTTAN]

Me too. 13.46mb in ram and 11.76mb in rom left.

[YTTAN]

Acid image and resco viewer fail to work with flash...

[evaoni]

Acid Image 2.8 works with me. The only thing that didn't work was Monopoly...

[rldunn]

Yep, I'm also using v2.8 of AI out of Flash and it hasn't given me any problems, and I also couldn't run Monopoly. Only other problem app I had was Plucker. It will open OK, but when I go back to home and choose a different file, it gives me an error every time.

[yOyOYoo]

are there any NXs WITHOUT Flash rom?


i'm sure some of you remember the TG50 "lawsuit against sony"

[kp*]

After going through that thread that lists what apps are known to work in flash, I've put most of mine in, and have 8871K of free flash and 6662K of free RAM. I haven't tried to put any databases in, and there are some apps I suspect will work that I haven't gotten confirmation on, but because they're kind of system-related (TealScript, BT Toggle, etc.) I'm a little leery. But I'll probably start experimenting more over the next few days.

Acid Image works fine for me, as does MegaCalc, which in another thread some people had trouble with on their original NXs.

So far I haven't come across any problems, but I haven't fully used all my apps that are now in flash.

[orol]

gee I'm soo much temped to sell my TG50 and buy here the european version of NX73 (BT is a must for me) 31MB space for apps looks too sweet even considering the clamshell design (which I really don't like)

[P DaWg SevEN]

You guys, i've been living under a rock at this category but what the heck does jack flash actually do, free up space yeah but how? will it erase stuff to be able to free up new space? please help, me confused! haha

[trayip]

Has anyone tried backupman? Will it still work even though a lot of stuff is in flash?..

[ccelada]

Originally posted by P DaWg SevEN
You guys, i've been living under a rock at this category but what the heck does jack flash actually do, free up space yeah but how? will it erase stuff to be able to free up new space? please help, me confused! haha

It doesn't erase anything... it lets you use the "unused" space left by sony on the flash-ROM... the nice thing is, when you have a hard reset, your apps are still there, 'cause they are in ROM.&nbsp; that free space left by sony is about 4 MB on&nbsp;the NX70 and about 15MB on the NX73/NX80

[neogin]

haha evaoni mikochu .. you are really excited hur ..

awesome .. this is a great news for all of us ..

must try out soon ..

ps. we will never get enough ram :D

[GrantMaster]

Hmm... actually, I think the remaining rom space on the NX73 would be small. I remember that the specs said that ROM size was 32mb for NX80 and 16mb for NX73.

My guess is that the size of the programs added up to be under 16mb for the NX73, and just a bit over 16mb for the NX80. (NX80 probably had some extra files to be in the ROM.)

But since they are very close cousins, I would think that NX73 would have almost all the files that NX80 has in ROM. Meaning it'd be very close to 16mb.

It would have more files in ROM than the NX70, so my guess is that it has anywhere from 0 to 4 mb remaining in ROM. Probably close to 0 than to 4.

European version of NX73 seems to have more in the ROM than the US version, with the bluetooth files and extra language setting, etc., and used a 32mb ROM like the NX80. That would explain why it has over 10 mb of free space (because the files in ROM were about 22mb)


NX80U = 32 - 17 = 15mb free.
NX73E = 32 - 22 = 10mb free.
NX73U = 16 - 15(?) = 1mb free.

That's my guess.

(In fact, I think I heard that the NX73 has very little ROM available for use with JackFlash.)

[n2ifp]

Originally posted by YTTAN
Acid image and resco viewer fail to work with flash...

YTTAN,

Acid Image works just fine in Flash, I am using v2.8 too. I&nbsp;Don't have the&nbsp;Resco Viewer.

&nbsp;

The AvantGo Connect AG app can go into Flash. The main AvantGo app goes into the Palm-Launcher folder.

Most apps work just fine in Flash ROM, one caveat, if it is an update to a ROM file, then that file has to remain in RAM!!!

[n2ifp]

Originally posted by evaoni
holy crapola... does this 15mb include the "heap" memory used in NetFront or system memory? Also, it's damn worth the 20 bucks for JackFlash...neogin =P

No, the heap memory is in a&nbsp;different area.;)

All of the Splash Data products work from Flash.

**Very Important, files have to be read only to go into Flash!**

[n2ifp]

Originally posted by rldunn
Oh man, this is awesome!!!! I now have 11.5MB free RAM, 5.5 MB free Flash, and 53MB free on my MS (since my 3 backups are all now so much smaller)!!!

Rod,

When I saw this last night I couldn't believe my eyes. I was sort of nodding off and all of a sudden was wide awake with excitement.

For the rest, the NX80 has 32MB of ROM and 32MB of RAM.

The Flash uses the spare unused 16MB of ROM on the USA NX80.

The heap comes out of the RAM portion, to which we have no access.

The main difference between the NX80 and NX73, is the NX80 has more heap memory available. The USA&nbsp;NX73, still gives 15MB+ pf Flash ROM.:)

[n2ifp]

Originally posted by GrantMaster
Hmm... actually, I think the remaining rom space on the NX73 would be small. I remember that the specs said that ROM size was 32mb for NX80 and 16mb for NX73.

No, it's 32MB ROM and 16MB RAM for the NX73.

My guess is that the size of the programs added up to be under 16mb for the NX73, and just a bit over 16mb for the NX80. (NX80 probably had some extra files to be in the ROM.)

The USA NX73 also has 15MB+ of free Flash ROM to use!&nbsp;

But since they are very close cousins, I would think that NX73 would have almost all the files that NX80 has in ROM. Meaning it'd be very close to 16mb.

It would have more files in ROM than the NX70, so my guess is that it has anywhere from 0 to 4 mb remaining in ROM. Probably close to 0 than to 4.

The USA NX70 had 4.8MB of&nbsp;unused Flash ROM to use.&nbsp;

European version of NX73 seems to have more in the ROM than the US version, with the bluetooth files and extra language setting, etc., and used a 32mb ROM like the NX80. That would explain why it has over 10 mb of free space (because the files in ROM were about 22mb)

That is basically correct!


NX80U = 32 - 17 = 15mb free.
NX73E = 32 - 22 = 10mb free.
NX73U =&nbsp;32 - 17 = 15mb free.

That's my guess.

(In fact, I think I heard that the NX73 has very little ROM available for use with JackFlash.)

Not True for the USA NX73, it has 15MB free!:)

[n2ifp]

Originally posted by yOyOYoo
are there any NXs WITHOUT Flash rom?

We don't know yet.

i'm sure some of you remember the TG50 "lawsuit against sony"

Yes, Neon was very unhappy about it, and I didn't blame him. I don't think a lawsuit ever materialized.

[kkrays]

So looking on their website at the Brayder online store where you can buy the Jackflash program, it does not indicate what version it is. And if you go through Handango directly, the version they have listed there is 2.6. Does this mean that users like myself who did not buy Jackflash in the last six months are excluded from this new Jackflash version?

[n2ifp]

Originally posted by kkrays
So looking on their website at the Brayder online store where you can buy the Jackflash program, it does not indicate what version it is. And if you go through Handango directly, the version they have listed there is 2.6. Does this mean that users like myself who did not buy Jackflash in the last six months are excluded from this new Jackflash version?

No, you have to purchase v2.6 (I don't know why), do NOT install!!!

Go to www.brayder.com (http://www.brayder.com) and follow the instructions on how to upgrade. Sorry, this is the way they work.:(

[tifosiv122]

Just got it...took about 1 hour for the code and beta program from Handango..thanks for the discount.

Currently I cannot get Resco or JPEG show to work, but Mini's CF Stuff works fine in Flash...WooHoo!

Erik

[dúnadan]

Brayder must be making a killing off of this news. Congrats to you all. I know how good you must feel. I felt great just eeking a couple extra megs out of my old Palm m505.

[palmsolo]

Oh great, now I am seriously considering using my TAP to drop my NX70 for the NX80. My only reservation has been the RAM. I was gearing up to try a UX50, but now I am uncertain. This is AWESOME news for NX80 owners!

[MythoFactory]

5 megs only on a Japanese NX73 :'(

[rldunn]

Originally posted by trayip
Has anyone tried backupman? Will it still work even though a lot of stuff is in flash?.. Backupman works just fine with it and everything else in Flash. In fact, it should work much quicker, since there will be so much less to backup and/or restore.

[Dags]

5MB on a Japanese NX80V too.

[n2ifp]

Flash Enable goes into Flash and JackFlash goes into the Palm-Launcher for the most efficient memory storage.

You can run JackFlash from the memory stick to restore flash also, not many know or realize this. Several of us experimented awhile back. Flash Enable is needed in either RAM or Flash for ROM management functions. I have been using that arrangement for awhile now on the NX70 and now on the NX80.

Excerpt from the Flash Enable readme:

Installation:

Use the Install Tool to load FlashEnable on your Palm. Copy it to
an expansion card so that it is available in the case of a hard reset.
If you want to remove JackFlash from the device, keep FlashEnable in
RAM, or use JackFlash to move it to Flash.

Please read all the documentation and the software license before using
this software.

Bottom line: You can leave Flash Enable in Flash, JackFlash on the MS.

[Eddy]

only 5MB on a Japanese NX73 & NX80V? compared to the 15MBs? Well, dealing with all the LanguagePacks & the additional Dictionary stuffs, go figures. :(

[nosser]

I just got my jackflash all setup and I moving my apps around but what is jacksafe because it says it is not supported on my device. Is this normal?

[nosser]

why does is say I'm a guest when I'm registered?

[Eddy]

cookies...

[nosser]

so what about JackSafe why does it not work for me is this normal?

[ricleo]

Read the jacksafe txt. files. It's mentioned that jacksafe doesn't support all devices. Plus jacksafe isn't a requirement for jackflash to work. Install flashenable instead. Read the flashenable txt file and see how it acts as a replacement for jacksafe.

[evaoni]

So, for us NX80 users.... Move JackFlash to the memory stick, and install Flash Enable on either the flash rom or ram? This is for if we ever have to hard reset? ...or what?

[n2ifp]

Originally posted by evaoni
So, for us NX80 users.... Move JackFlash to the memory stick, and install Flash Enable on either the flash rom or ram? This is for if we ever have to hard reset? ...or what?

No, it's for the purist power user who wants to squeeze every last K of their Flash ROM or RAM. Since Flash Enable is smaller in size.

With JackFlash on the stick, you can run it to restore the Flash ROM&nbsp;from a hard reset or to install apps into Flash ROM. Either JackFlash or Falsh Enable have to remain in RAM or Flash ROM for system&nbsp;management functions.

The functions of Flash Enable and JackFlash are the same, except JackFlash can add the apps to Flash ROM.

I learned this little tip from Paul(Strongeek). After making tests, I found it worked good. A few K bytes saved here and there can mount up.:)

[Dags]

FlashEnable hard locks my JP NX80 for some reason. JackFlash works fine.

I just leave JackFlash on the stick, that way after a hard reset I just run it once and all my flash(ed) apps are back. :)

[n2ifp]

Originally posted by Dags
FlashEnable hard locks my JP NX80 for some reason. JackFlash works fine.

I just leave JackFlash on the stick, that way after a hard reset I just run it once and all my flash(ed) apps are back. :)

Okay, but I had issues, a soft reset was one for example. The Clie would no longer recognize Tealmaster for some reason. As&nbsp;long as Flash Enable was in Flash, there were no issues. At the moment, I don't know why Flash Enable would &nbsp;freeze up&nbsp;your Clie. There must be some difference in application or language. Drop a line to Brayder and let them give you an answer.;)&nbsp;

[squeff]

Is there any way to install the patched (http://snow.prohosting.com/cfutil/) versions of AudioPlayer and MoviePlayer to Flash ROM? I tried, but it told me that I already had these items in ROM (which I do, since I have an NX73). These are the only big programs I have left in ROM (or MS, for that matter).

[Piloteer]

Originally posted by MythoFactory
5 megs only on a Japanese NX73 :'(

&nbsp;

Just under 12 megs free on a European NX73 with Bluetooth!

[ricleo]

Originally posted by squeff
Is there any way to install the patched (http://snow.prohosting.com/cfutil/) versions of AudioPlayer and MoviePlayer to Flash ROM? I tried, but it told me that I already had these items in ROM (which I do, since I have an NX73). These are the only big programs I have left in ROM (or MS, for that matter).

Simple. Rename the audioplayer and movieplayer. After that, you will be able to move the patched apps to flash memory.

[rldunn]

Originally posted by n2ifp
You can run JackFlash from the memory stick to restore flash also, not many know or realize this. Several of us experimented awhile back. Flash Enable is needed in either RAM or Flash for ROM management functions. I have been using that arrangement for awhile now on the NX70 and now on the NX80. This actually isn't true anymore, now that JF needs an activation code. After a hard reset, if you run JF from the MS, it says it can't run until a hotsync, since it needs a username to compare the activation code to.

I put this in another JF thread, but it may be useful to include here as well. Here are the valid setups for all the Jackflash files.

1) Jackflash in RAM, FlashEnable stored on the MS (this is what I use).

2) FE in Flash or RAM, FE stored on the MS, Jackflash in the Launcher folder of the MS. (This setup saves the most RAM space, but takes up more MS space).

3) Jackflash in RAM, backup app stored on the MS, FlashEnable not installed. (With this setup, you can run your backup app and restore after a hard reset, then run Jackflash to get access to Flash apps).

[GrantMaster]

Wow... thanks for correcting my horribly wrong post, n2ifp. my RAM isn't functioning right. :-(

Anyways, I've got a mapopolis map in the ms that's about 3 mb, which takes a while each time to load up to the ram every time I want to use it. It'd be great to be able to have that map in the flash, but Jackflash doesn't show it when I have it in the ram.

Bummer... that would've been the single most useful use of Jackflash in my clie. :-(

I wonder if anyone else tried the same thing?

[n0m0n]

Where do you put the activation code?

[LeoW]

if procurable in mind ;)

seriously, I had a to perform a hardreset last night and had flashenable in the launcher directory of the ms and starting FE didn't ask me for the reg code at this time!!!

after restoring my unit then FE asked for the reg code (starting FE again)

that's a pretty good modus operandi

edit:
by the way, I had Jackflash in RAM (and as security copy on the stick) and FlashEnable on the stick

[Rob]

Has anyone heard anything about updates to JackSprat for PalmOS5 and the NX73/80 devices? I would love to remove some of the other languages from my European NX73V!

Brayder Rocks!!!

[LeoW]

that's what I asked brayder and they answered, that there will be no support for Sony OS5 units, ever :(

[LockSoft]

Hi, I just downloaded the last version of Jack Flash Light.
Brayder say that, even if it doesn't allow to move files to flash, it's useful to see how much memory can be used.

I tried it on my NX80V/U and it shows only 255Kb.

I'd like to know if it's normal or if I buy the full appz I'll only have 255 kb free... In short words, if you run JFL, it's crazy like mine?

Thanks, I don't want to pay 20$ just to have 1/4 of Mb free... ;]

[n2ifp]

Originally posted by rldunn
This actually isn't true anymore, now that JF needs an activation code. After a hard reset, if you run JF from the MS, it says it can't run until a hotsync, since it needs a username to compare the activation code to.

I put this in another JF thread, but it may be useful to include here as well. Here are the valid setups for all the Jackflash files.

1) Jackflash in RAM, FlashEnable stored on the MS (this is what I use).

2) FE in Flash or RAM, FE stored on the MS, Jackflash in the Launcher folder of the MS. (This setup saves the most RAM space, but takes up more MS space).

3) Jackflash in RAM, backup app stored on the MS, FlashEnable not installed. (With this setup, you can run your backup app and restore after a hard reset, then run Jackflash to get access to Flash apps).

Okay, I restore from MS Backup, then run JF, never had a problem. HotSync is something I may do last, but not first. I guess we have our own different styles.:)

Most of it started with the NX70 and first&nbsp;having to reload the drivers such as MS Pro and system update&nbsp;patch.

[LockSoft]

Err... forget it, I'm a bit stupid! ;]

I didn't read well, my fault my fault my fault!!! ;]PPP

(sorry, that one was the JFL useable rom )

Running to register the product... :]

[LeoW]

there a two numbers:
the first, gettable with JackFlash full version and the second what you can use with the light version, whats limited



edit:

o.k., contemporaneously

but JackFlash light is the best way to see, how much Flash you can get

[techdude]

Originally posted by GrantMaster
Anyways, I've got a mapopolis map in the ms that's about 3 mb, which takes a while each time to load up to the ram every time I want to use it. It'd be great to be able to have that map in the flash, but Jackflash doesn't show it when I have it in the ram.

The map is a database file, most database file don't play well in Flash. But you can still try...It should show in Jackflash, check the tab, Show All DBs.

[rldunn]

Originally posted by n2ifp
Okay, I restore from MS Backup, then run JF, never had a problem. HotSync is something I may do last, but not first. I guess we have our own different styles.:) That's why JF works for you out of the Launcher folder. You either have to hotsync or restore from a backup, both of which give your device a username.

[Rob]

Originally posted by Piloteer
&nbsp;
Just under 12 megs free on a European NX73 with Bluetooth!

Confirmed.&nbsp; JackFlashLight reports 11,776K Flash available on my NX73V-E.&nbsp; I haven't upgraded to the full version yet.&nbsp; Piloteer, did you actually buy the full version and full up this extra Flash space?&nbsp; I just want to be sure that the light version is reporting it correctly.

Thanks,
Rob

[LeoW]

yes, that's correct (as I mentioned above):

11,5MB or 11776 kb on the EU mulitlingual NX73

I' bought the beta yesterday and am so happy about 22,5 MB in total

[LockSoft]

Thanks anyway, LeoW :)

[sonycrazie]

From GrantMaster "Anyways, I've got a mapopolis map in the ms that's about 3 mb, which takes a while each time to load up to the ram every time I want to use it. It'd be great to be able to have that map in the flash, but Jackflash doesn't show it when I have it in the ram. "



GrantMaster, you can put your maps in the ROM as well. I did put a few there.
1) From the pull down menu in JF, check the "Show items that cannot be moved to Flash" then click "OK". You should see your maps in the DBs in RAM.
2)Pick the one(s) you want to move and set it(them) to move to Flash. A pop-up message saying "Map-xx-xx does not work correctly when moved to Flash memory" appears, you just have to tap "Force".
3)Viola, map(s) will be placed in Flash and works flawlessly. I've tried all functions in Mapopolis and never found a problem at all.
Hope this help.
Cheers
Stephen

[lonnonf]

Not bad. Even on my old NX70V, JackFlash 3.0b10 gives me an extra 4.4 MB of space. It's not enough to move absolutely everything into ROM, but I've got 5.3 MB of free space now instead of 800 KB.

It's just a shame that JackSprat will never support OS 5 CLIEs. I can only imagine how much more space I'd have if I could rip out the Datebook and To Do List (both replaced by DateBk5) and Memopad (replaced by pedit). I had an alarming amount of stuff crammed onto my N760 because of JackSprat and JackFlash. I guess I'll have to settle for a near-alarming amount of stuff on my NX70V. :D

[GrantMaster]

Thanks, sonycrazie!

"items that cannot be moved" my hiney. :-)

[berliner]

Amazing!!! Now I have no need to upgrade to the T|T3. 31 MB RAM/ROM on my NX80 is plenty for me!! The only thing missing now is the built-in bluetooth, but I can live with my bluetooth MS and 1GB CF card! Why Sony would leave so much space unavailable to the user is beyond me, it makes the NX73/80 so much more appealing and competitive with the latest Palm models. Thank you Brayder!!!

[Eddy]

I guess sony always has their way with the consumer market, great things comes to those who waits. ;)

Definitely right about the NX73/80 being much more appealing now with the extra 15MB Flash. :D

[williepalm]

Yahoooo.

[aaharoon]

please let me have the link to download jackflash for my nx80
thanks

[neogin]

flash mem all gone .. only 1mb left haha ..

[Rob]

Originally posted by aaharoon
please let me have the link to download jackflash for my nx80
thanks

Since I can't imagine that anyone would feel $20 ($10&nbsp;to upgrade from an old version) is too much to as much as&nbsp;double your memory instantly, I will assume you are asking for the link to buy and download jackflash.&nbsp; Here's the link:

http://www.brayder.com/store/

You should receive your registration code within 1/2 an hour after you purchase it, if history is any indication.

&nbsp;

[Rob]

Originally posted by LeoW
that's what I asked brayder and they answered, that there will be no support for Sony OS5 units, ever :(

What a huge disappointment!&nbsp; Do you know why?&nbsp; Is it for legal reasons?&nbsp; I imagine there's a pretty large market for the functionality.&nbsp; Perhaps another enterprising developer&nbsp;can take advantage of this gap in the market?

&nbsp;

[n2ifp]

Originally posted by Rob


What a huge disappointment!&nbsp; Do you know why?&nbsp; Is it for legal reasons?&nbsp; I imagine there's a pretty large market for the functionality.&nbsp; Perhaps another enterprising developer&nbsp;can take advantage of this gap in the market?

&nbsp;

Very simple, Sony!

Sony has kept it proprietary...

[n2ifp]

Originally posted by aaharoon
please let me have the link to download jackflash for my nx80
thanks

www.brayder.com

[n2ifp]

Originally posted by berliner
Amazing!!! Now I have no need to upgrade to the T|T3. 31 MB RAM/ROM on my NX80 is plenty for me!! The only thing missing now is the built-in bluetooth, but I can live with my bluetooth MS and 1GB CF card! Why Sony would leave so much space unavailable to the user is beyond me, it makes the NX73/80 so much more appealing and competitive with the latest Palm models. Thank you Brayder!!!

Sony now uses the PXA263 Strata-Flash all in one Intel Chip. So we get what wasn't used.:) European Clies will have less available. It's basically a one size fits all chip. Sorry, I don't think Brayder find will any Bluetooth&nbsp;chips in there, it would be nice though...:D&nbsp;

[killah fury]

anyone know how much space is available on an NX73 ?

[killah fury]

sorry - just read the answer to that on a previous page. blimey -i'm off to register! :-)

[sonycrazie]

Hi guys,
Do you guys have problem with Bejeweled! in the Flash?? Whenever exiting the program, my NX80V crashes with the error "Memory mgr.c.line5657 Heap memory not found"
Cheers
Stephen

[ricleo]

I use the latest version 2.2.0 game of the year version bejeweled on my nx80 in flash without any problems.

[n2ifp]

Nope, no problemo here either v2.2.0 as ricleo has.

Sometimes it may take several attempts on some apps, don't know why thought.

[garyo]

Can't contact Brayder -- how can I get the beta?

I've been a JF user for years now (on my old Palm V); just bought the upgrade over the wkend so I could get the beta on my NX80. But I've had no response from Brayder -- are they on vacation or something? I filled in the beta request form, but got nothing.

Can anyone send me the beta link to garyo at oberbrunner dot com, if that's allowed?

thanks,

-- G

[never mind; my update came half an hour after I posted this. Ain't that always how it is...]

[n2ifp]

I would imagine there is a lot of Clie users looking for the upgrade, so I can understand if things are backed up a little.

[euroclie]

Originally posted by Rob
What a huge disappointment!&nbsp; Do you know why?&nbsp; Is it for legal reasons?&nbsp; I imagine there's a pretty large market for the functionality.&nbsp; Perhaps another enterprising developer&nbsp;can take advantage of this gap in the market?
&nbsp;

Well, last time I discussed about this with Brayder's boss, he wrote that he couldn't add OS5 Clie support in JackSprat because Sony seems to have removed completely the "debug reset" function that allows you to boot the device with the Small ROM debugger on the OS5 Clie devices.

While this may sound a bit technical and unrelated to our problem here, it's actually a big pain in the a.. because it's currently the only way to recover from a Big ROM problem (either because you removed something that was needed, or because you added something that was corrupted or faulty, or simply because the reflash process failed before proper completion).

My understanding is that Brayder might be able to actually reflash the Big ROM, but you'd have no backup in case anything fails. This has two immediate consequences: during JackFlash development and tests, a single bug would utterly and definitely kill their development device(s) since there's no way you can recover short of replacing the FlashROM chip. That would make the development very, very costly indeed!

The second consequence is that even if they were somehow able to iron out the bugs and get JackSprat to properly work on OS5 devices, they'd have a hell of a time providing technical support for people who encountered a reflash problem!

There are quite a few things that can go wrong during a ROM reflash, even if most of the time everything proceeds smoothly, but not having any backup solution is definitely a good deterrent! :(

I know that because I worked on a ROM editor, and initially thought I could setup some sort of partnership with Brayder (they seemed inclined to accept that), but in the end they had to decline my proposal because they didn't feel like giving technical support for users who had somehow made their devices inoperative in the reflashing process. Here's what they wrote to me:

As far as Chromed interoperability, I am not sure how to proceed.

I am concerned mainly about support. Chromed currently lets you do anything. This is great from one perspective, but will almost certainly mean that users create unbootable devices. Since FlashWrite is the item that was used to update the device, they are going to come to me to fix their device. Already, I have more JackSprat related support than I would like.

If all they could do was change the language on the device, then I would be agreeable. But, if they can remove anything and add anything, then I know that it is going to burn people.

I am open to suggestions.

So releasing a JackSprat version which would work on OS5 Clie but for which they would not be able to provide any kind of support would be like shooting themselves in the foot, for sure!

IMHO Brayder's guys are more than willing to give us Clie OS5 support in JackSprat, but they honnestly can't do this because of the technical constraints that Sony has created... That's too bad: I had started to work on OS5 support for Chromed, my ROM Editor, but I've stopped that now because there's no way users would be able to reflash their OS5 ROM anyway... :( :( :(

On the other hand, I read from their web site (http://www.brayder.com/press/handera.html) that they somehow teamed with Handera, so maybe together they can put more pressure on Sony to get them release the technical informations they need (that's supposing that Sony did not simply remove the ability to boot the Small ROM, but just hid it from the public!)

[yandrosxx]

If Sony saves 15 megs what are they intending to use it for. Is it extra space for updated and expanded OSs? Thoughts?

[n0m0n]

No....
Dream on.
If they offered you a OS 6 update what motivation would you have to purchase a new Clie???
Come on now you now the drill you have 6 months to save up to buy your next new unit, and so on, and so on....

[euroclie]

Originally posted by yandrosxx
If Sony saves 15 megs what are they intending to use it for. Is it extra space for updated and expanded OSs? Thoughts?

I'd say that 32Mb is the smallest ROM size that could accomodate the actual ROM image which couldn't fit on a 16Mb ROM anymore... But I'd be very surprised indeed if Sony did offer a FlashROM upgrade or update in the near future (or even for OS6)! :(

[n2ifp]

Hi Patrick,

You wouldn't be the only one who would be very suprised!!!

[euroclie]

Hi Larry,

So did you buy the new UX50, or are you waiting for the next generation, OS6 devices? ;)

[n2ifp]

I think I'll pass, my main gripe is the smaller screen, but I have yet to see one in the flesh. The are none to be found yet in my area. Maybe by next weekend after the 12th.

[Eddy]

you'll be passing on the UX50??? Oh. Larry.... :p
Thought you were all in for the unit. It's got built-in 802.11b! :D

I haven't taken a look at the unit in person, but very tempted to get one, since I currently haven't got the intention to upgrade to the NX73/80, with JackFlash the Japanese version of NX73/80 only allows extra 5MB compared to the English ver. NX73/80 which gives out 15MB.

But the UX50 Japanese or English version wouldn't make much difference. Just a thought. :p

[Dags]

Still - I struggled filling up that 5MB actually. Put all my main apps in there and still have 710KB free. If you consider that most apps weigh in at around 300K that's still quite a bit of space you have to use.

The only thing that I could use that extra space for right now is maybe some dictionary files but as they run off the MS fine I don't miss that functionality. I have 11 MB free in RAM now though which is nice.

[stronggeek]

Originally posted by Dags
Still - I struggled filling up that 5MB actually. Put all my main apps in there and still have 710KB free. If you consider that most apps weigh in at around 300K that's still quite a bit of space you have to use.

The only thing that I could use that extra space for right now is maybe some dictionary files but as they run off the MS fine I don't miss that functionality. I have 11 MB free in RAM now though which is nice.

Dags' it sort of strange, but my dictionary files don't run much faster from ram and I would assume fro flash than they do from the stick.

I&nbsp;moved a 5MB dictionary db in ram to&nbsp;transfer it to flash and decided to put it back on the stick because after launching the dict&nbsp;db in ram I actually saw no difference in speed of loading and therefore I saw no benefit to moving it to flash.

So in my opinion, you're loosing much as far dictionary's go.

I&nbsp;assume&nbsp;one's experiece may vary though. :)

EDIT: Opps! I meant "you're not loosing much!"

[Eddy]

Hey, Paul. :)

[Dags]

So in my opinion, you're loosing much as far dictionary's go.

Do you mean - "I'm not losing much" ? ;)

[stronggeek]

Originally posted by Eddy
Hey, Paul. :)

Hi Eddy, are you gearing up for a new purchase?

It'll be christmas in Sept. for you, no doubt.

Either the NX or the UX will surely be a delight.

Good luck with your decision..

I''l be watching.

I may get the UX80 one day! :)

[stronggeek]

Originally posted by Dags
So in my opinion, you're loosing much as far dictionary's go.

Do you mean - "I'm not losing much" ? ;)

Opps! Sorry Dags.

I meant "you're not loosing much!"

I just edited my post to reflect that.

If you&nbsp;have enough ram to move a database over, try it and you'll see what I mean.&nbsp;

[orol]

Originally posted by yandrosxx
If Sony saves 15 megs what are they intending to use it for. Is it extra space for updated and expanded OSs? Thoughts?

because flash memories are made in 2^(x) variants .. therefore 16 .. 32 .. 64 .. 128 .. 256 .. 512 .. 1024 ..
and also it's kinda cheaper to buy/implement one 32mb flash chip then let's say 16mb and 2MB one ..

[fjl307]

I am only using MS's for backup, multimedia (pics, movies, voice res) and dictionarys now!!!

[Eddy]

The NX73/80 just gets better and better. :D
15MB free for any use, geez...

[n2ifp]

When are you getting one?:)

[Eddy]

Originally posted by n2ifp
When are you getting one?:)
you really want me to upgrade don't you Larry??? :D
This is the 3rd thread that I've seen your post, with regards to my NX70V. :p
1st was about the mini's patch not working in NX70, but works for NX80.
2nd was about JackFlash with the 15MB on the NX80.
Now this.... in due time my brother, I'll be getting one. ;)

[stronggeek]

Originally posted by Eddy

you really want me to upgrade don't you Larry??? :D
This is the 3rd thread that I've seen your post, with regards to my NX70V. :p
1st was about the mini's patch not working in NX70, but works for NX80.
2nd was about JackFlash with the 15MB on the NX80.
Now this.... in due time my brother, I'll be getting one. ;)

So Eddy, did you get the latest JackFlash yet?

I'm just joking Eddy, but I want you to get the NX80 so you can do for it what you did for the NX70-expanded it's capabilities far beyond normal use and original intention.

Now if you wait much longer and skip this UX thing, I be with ya on the one that comes out&nbsp;after that. ;)

[ricleo]

Yeah Eddy, go for the NX80 :D or go for something after the UX50 :p

[Eddy]

I feel pure-pressure, just like back in high school, the good old days. LOL :D

[williepalm]

Found a bug, if you have moved jakflash to card, and when you tap and hold any apps thats in flash(moved by JF) and select "info", it crashes. But after i move and JF to ram and back to card, the bug is gone. But after a while, it crashes again with the same taps. Anyone?

[n2ifp]

Did you try keeping Flash Enable in Flash? That's what I do and it's okay per Brayder's Flash Enable readme file. JackFlash or Flash enable have to be in RAM or Flash ROM for system management functions! JackFlash will also restore the Flash after a hard reset and it's what I have used from the MS.

Hope that helps!:)