NX80 Screen :(

[filegrabber]

I have heard rumours about insensitive NX80V screens but can find no experiences posted.

Got mine yesterday and the screen is OK at the edges and on the VG area but in the centre it requires a lot of pressure to make an input.

Was their a dodgy batch at the start of production?

[pusfarm]

Originally posted by filegrabber
I have heard rumours about insensitive NX80V screens but can find no experiences posted.

Got mine yesterday and the screen is OK at the edges and on the VG area but in the centre it requires a lot of pressure to make an input.

Was their a dodgy batch at the start of production? I'm having the same issue.  I got mine about 2 weeks ago, but I would think these have been out long enough that Sony would have fixed anything they thought was wrong. 

I might be mistaken, but it seems like there's an extra layer - maybe plastic? - over the glass for protection.  I seem to remember this on my Visors and it's annoying.  Maybe the extra pressure is required to get through the extra layer.  I liked the feel of my NX70 better, but there are too many things I like about the NX80 to return it for the sensitivity issue.  Hopefully they can correct it somehow with software - make it "hyper sensitive.".;)

[filegrabber]

It only happens in the centre of mine which is strange?

I suspect this is a hardware problem and if you can it may be worth returning it :)

[acraniotes]

pusfarm, I'm curious about your comment regarding a layer of "plastic" over the screen. I bought my NX80 used, and upon receiving and inspecting the unit, it seemed like the previous owner had installed a screen protector on it. Does your NX appear to have a screen protector, but in fact doesn't? Rather, what I mean to say, is opposed to the "slick" surface of a typical PDA (i.e. my old NR), does the screen of your NX have a semi-matte finish?

I kind of need to know this so I can go out and buy some protectors before I start scratching up the screen...

-Adam

-Adam

[khakiman]

It must be a screen protector because all the NX's have a smooth clear screen from the factory, You should be able to look near the edge and see the edge of the protector and remove it if needed.:)

[n2ifp]

There was issues with the screen digitizer when it first came out and Sony would repair them if users had complained.

The screen is definitely not as sensitive as the NX70 was.

[helmutk]

My NX80 digitizer is definitely not as sensitive as my NX70 was. And it is more noticeable in the center of the screen. But I have to say after a month of use I do not notice the problem unless someone else brings it back up. ;)
It does seem like there is an extra layer of screen on the digitizer but I think this is just a perception because of the amount of extra pressure it takes and the fact the digitizer seems to be more "mushy".
I do not think there is a plastic layer over the glass screen. the stylus moves very smoothly over it.
I did start using a screen protector, much as I dislike them, because of the extra pressure required for the digitizer.
The screen protector did not seem to make any difference in the pressure required but it does cause the stylus to cause more resistance when dragging it across the screen.

[kp*]

Every NX80 owner I've heard of has acknowledged that it's harder to write on than the NR and earlier NXs, so I think we've just accepted that it's something about the design that just makes it that way. Earlier in Japan, there were seriously defective units that were quietly recalled for major digitizer problems, and a few posters here have reported more serious problems as well.

I've heard people mention the uneven sensitivity before, but I've never thought enough about it myself to make note of any section of the screen being more sensitive than another. I also have a screen protector on, which could change things as well. I never used the NX without it, so I can't really comment on what the "naked" screen is like, but from the few minutes I checked it upon taking it out of the box, I remember it having that extra bumpy plastic layer, which reminded me of a Visor.

CRAZY CLIE MODDING IDEA:
Does anyone know what that layer does? Is it part of the digitizer, or just protection for the screen? What would happen if one were to open one's PDA and remove it? I have some old Visors here at home which I could experiment with. One is a DLX with a broken digitizer, so it wouldn't answer the question of function, the other is an Edge which hasn't been charged in two years, but theoretically works. I have to get ready for work right now, but I may take a peek at what those do. My memory of fooling around inside those two PDAs is that the plastic layer is firmly attached to the screen. But could it be firmly detached? Please, anyone who actually knows how the screen works, just tell me if I'm crazy! :D

[Lil'Andy]

Well... i don't really know how the screen works... but i just want to tell you that your are CRAZY!!!!!!. lol

[fjl307]

Do the NX80's get that "rippling effect" like PC LCD screens? I know the NX73 does :(


Here's a quote from Brighthand's review
(http://www.bargainpda.com/reviews/default.asp?reviewID=214)

'The writing surface of the screen is somewhat soft and springy, and has the soft-plastic feel usual with naked screens. Those who insist on a firm writing surface will probably be dissatisfied with the springiness, but I don't think it should affect others.


If you've used a desktop or laptop LCD display, you know that pressing on the display causes an almost rippling effect on the displayed image, because you're distorting the LCD a tiny bit. Usually this is not present in handhelds because the LCD is under a thick plastic digitizer, and thus cannot have pressure applied to it. In the case of the NX80, because the screen half of the case is so thin, the digitizer is also thin and pressing on it can cause slight distortions in the screen. This isn't really an issue as long as you don't try to crush your display with the stylus, but I note it for completeness.'

[acraniotes]

Actually, I do have a screen protector installed -- Sony brand, apparently. Frankly it is a testament to the steady hand of my NX80's previous owner that I even had to ask. Upon first inspecting my unit, I figured it had a screen protector, and that the guy was really anal (no bubbles, no lint under the screen, perfectly aligned), but, after reading a couple of "sensitivity" threads where people were talking about this mysterious "plastic layer", I began to wonder. Well, I was right the first time. Phew -- I do have a couple of scratches on it already.

As for my screen, there is one area that I have to press particularly hard -- the "C" on the virtual keyboard. Weird, since the rest of the screen is fairly sensitive (though, certainly "harder" than my old NR).

-Adam

[filegrabber]

The problem with this comes when you can't even play games like TableTennis3D- no pick up of the stylus at all which to me suggests a problem.

I have asked Sony to comment and do not expect to just have it fixed- the unit is brand new and a replacement would be nice (not holding my breath:))

[EdFrmBrighthand]

> Here's a quote from Brighthand's review

That's actually a link and quote from BargainPDA. Here's what I said in my review:

The only thing keeping this screen from being just about perfect is its lack of sensitivity. I have to push unusually hard on the screen in order to get it to register a tap. I'm concerned that people will prematurely wear out their screens by having to push on them so hard all the time, especially when entering text.

www.brighthand.com/article/Sony_NX80V_Review

[Reggie]

I too am experienceing the problem. To test it, go to Clie Memo and keep tapping on the screen. You'd notice that some taps won't register a dot. :( you have to hold down your stylus maybe half a sec to make sure the screen registers it.

[filegrabber]

This is a difficult one- will be interesting to see Sony's reply- why do I think they won't admit there is a problem:)

[r0b456]

:confused:


This is really strange, because I have been using mine constantly over the last several days, trying to get it personalized just the way I like it -- constantly adding and removing software, making backups, entering contacts and tasks, testing the input methods, tweaking ZLauncher, etc.

I have not noticed any problems in response -- if anything I was very satisfied with how responsive the digitizer is.


The only problem I had at first was where I would go to press on a small icon and end up hitting something right next to it. This was because I was holding the tiny little stylus at an angle, and didn't have enough control over it. I have since made sure that my stylus is at a 90 degree angle (straight up and down) when tapping on the screen, and have had no problems at all.


My NX80V will be 1 week old tomorrow. Mine shipped from Tech Data, who had just received a shipment of 90 units the day I ordered it ...

[pusfarm]

Originally posted by acraniotes
pusfarm, I'm curious about your comment regarding a layer of "plastic" over the screen. I bought my NX80 used, and upon receiving and inspecting the unit, it seemed like the previous owner had installed a screen protector on it. Does your NX appear to have a screen protector, but in fact doesn't? That was just the impression I had when I first got it.  Same thing when I went from a Palm V to a Visor - I tapped the screen which "seemed" to then push against the glass below it. 

I can see a reasoning for it from a protective point of view, but if such a layer exists it just makes it harder for taps to register.  My graffiti writing has been way off because of it.

[filegrabber]

The problem with mine is that it is perfectly responsive at the edges and at the VG area but not in the main centre part of the screen- that's not right to me