View Full Version : I just SAW a UX50 @ Bic Camera!
sonicboy
08-09-2003, 10:12 AM
unlike our buddy unregistered I have photographic evidence.. I put them here: http://jibjub.com/clie/
but I do agree with unregistered it is great.. its small, light and suprisingly comfortable for the hour or so I got to play with it..
I have big hands but I can see myself using it one handed.. I think NX users are trying to justify their mamoth devices when they critisise the UX, its a great design I honestly wouldn't buy a NX style device after comparing the two, using an NX keyboard (ie: with the screen open) is like holding a bannana, the UX is a better direction.. much more a "palm top" rather than a palm-top-with-sticky-out-half-a-foot-screen but hey.. as you see in my shots it dwarfs the NX and (for a comarison of function and form) I stuck an 802.11 sized card in the slot.. ;)
the 3D viewer is a bit of a gimmic and will probably be useless in the long run, the selector has a cool spinning cube of bubbles.. might be an option.. you can adjust how 3D the rolladex thing is with a slider at the top right of the screen.. it adds or removes the ... curve.. kind of hard to explain..
you can switch it to left handed and its actually better for leftys (with large hands like mine atleast) as the jog dial is in a better position... either hand its good for typing and they keyboard is great! if the keyboards on the NX was vertical and took up the whole space it might be good (BUT IT DOESN'T DOES IT) then again, I do have big hands...
ahhh, I have to wait another 3 days till mine arrives dammit.. but I am saving 5% by doing so hehehe.. well, bookmark that link if you have a clie.. I am going to be porting alot of games to swf when my UX does get here...
most impressed!
final note, its not for everyone but I dont think it was designed for everyone.
IT WAS DESIGNED FOR ME DAMMIT! very cool stuff :D
rened
08-09-2003, 10:39 AM
Thanks! Very nice pictures, wish i could have had one in my hands too.
Maybe you could do the swf-speed test on both machines?
sonicboy
08-09-2003, 10:43 AM
I'll also be translating all the default japanese text on that website so yeah, if you got a japanese palm and dont speaketh the 'hongo it might be usefull.. I will need someone to tell me how to take screen shots however.
how do I take screenshots?
sonicboy
08-09-2003, 10:45 AM
I cant test the swf speed test on the machines in the store but there is this thread (http://www.cliesource.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=280643) where I asked people to do it...
I will post the (few) results I did get back now.. and thanks to people who took the time to run it
I will of course be running it on my UX in 3 days, thats the big test :D
rened
08-09-2003, 10:50 AM
Originally posted by sonicboy
how do I take screenshots?
http://linkesoft.com/screenshot/
But i wonder is there is any screenshot programma that supports wide-res allready, i guess none yet.
thooeu
08-09-2003, 11:18 AM
Tyr the HRCapt at this site, it has been upgraded to support the landscape screen.
http://www.maicca.com/
Sneezy
08-09-2003, 01:06 PM
Very cool, sonicboy.
I'm not sure what you meant, though, by "it [the UX] dwarfs the NX." Are you saying that it seems bigger? By the pics, it looks like they're almost the same thickness; it's obviously wider, but with the two open, the NX seems much larger.
Also, did you have the screen brightness turned all the way up on the UX? If so, your NX screen is MUCH brighter.
Great camera shots!
nickster87
08-09-2003, 01:44 PM
I noticed the screen brightness (or lack there of) on the ?UX also. What gives?
stronggeek
08-09-2003, 01:49 PM
Originally posted by Sneezy
Very cool, sonicboy.
I'm not sure what you meant, though, by "it [the UX] dwarfs the NX." Are you saying that it seems bigger? By the pics, it looks like they're almost the same thickness; it's obviously wider, but with the two open, the NX seems much larger.
Also, did you have the screen brightness turned all the way up on the UX? If so, your NX screen is MUCH brighter.
Great camera shots!
Great shots sonicboy!
But like sneezy mentioned the NX looks brighter than the UX, unless the UX setting was low and did you mean the NX dwarfs the UX be the NX clearly looks to be larger in your pics.
Anyway, great job and nice review so far.
Look forward to more info in a few days.
Good luck with it!
newyorktd
08-09-2003, 04:28 PM
I think Sonic means that the UX keyboard dwarfs the NX...
No?
Those pictures convinced me (almost) that I must upgrade from my NR...
Sunscreen
08-09-2003, 07:19 PM
I`ve just spent three hours at the Sony building in Tokyo (I`m here on visit) playing with the various Clie models, to make a buying decision.
The following are personal perceptions. I`m a Psion user, and have never used a Clie before - they`re unavailable in South Africa.
I would say that the pics of sonicboy are a little deceptive. The width of the UX is quite a bit more than the NX, the latter fits much better in my (smallish) hands. The thickness isn`t that important to me. Also the screen brightnesses arent really different in reality.
I like the scroller on the side of the NX better than with the UX, where it`s located at the bottom. And the screen of the UX is really quite a bit smaller than the NX. It didn:t really bother me that much, but coming from a PDA with a HUGE screen I liked the real estate of the NX more. And the UX`s stylus is really too short for comfortable use, but that`s obviously for practical reasons.
On the plus side I would say that the UX is more balanced in your hand, the NX tends to be a bit top heavy. The touch screen is definitely more responsive than the NX80V. I didnt notice any difference in the brightness of the screens. The keyboard of the UX is definitely better than the NX, but still doesn`t reach the Psion`s excellent keyboard. I haven:t read the weight spec but they felt much the same.
I`ve decided on the NX, but it`s a split decision, what swung it was the width issue. I would say that the UX is probably the way design will go in future, with the NX becoming a niche product, perhaps with higher end features.
Hopefully my next post if from a wireless NX in Singapore, my next stop on a tech pilgrimage.
Unregistered
08-09-2003, 07:40 PM
Seen the UX50 as well. The screen of the UX50 is ridiculous with regards to size and brightness. Keyboard is great though. I own a NR70V, but will not upgrade. Landsape format is not very appealing to me and wireless capabilities are not enough to convince me. I`ll keep waiting...
yOyOYoo
08-09-2003, 08:45 PM
dah, if only sony gave us portrait mode with some REAL hardkey buttons. Heck I would be happy with the TG50 buttons since Im so used to them. Oh yeah and why not a bigger screen? PDAs like the hp 1945 prove that a thin unit with a large screen with decent battery life is possible.
Guess I'll wait for the UX60.
sonicboy
08-09-2003, 10:31 PM
I didn't notice a brightness issue at all, the screen is very clear but now that I look at the photos yeah the NX is brighter.. I dont see it as an issue if anythin the NX is TOO bright maybe it needs to be for daylight applications.
as for sunscreen, sorry if my pics are deceptive LOL what angles would you like? as you have also seen it yourself I think you will confirm that even with the UX lying VERTICAL along the NX it is still a massive machine.. the size is only further pronounced with the huge card and slot hanging off the back!
(I would have taken more photos but I left my cybershot at home and my girlfriends memorystick was full :( maybe today I will take some more...)
and for the people who were confused yeah I did mean the NX dwarfs the UX SORRY! I meant... compared to the bannana LONG style clies (which always looked rediculous in my opinion) yes, the UX is a dwarf :D
isn't more FPS = better?
well, that's how it is in games.
what's the purpose of putting .swf on your site? people with clies to download and run it?
sonicboy
08-09-2003, 11:16 PM
thats right I wanted to get FPS rates for various machines..
that test contains a motion tween and several transparancys which is pretty much what most flash animations will contain at any given moment.. and yes a faster fps (or the more fps) is better.
the fps test is of the swf player only, not of the actual machines display or applications (although the speed will vary).
Sneezy
08-09-2003, 11:44 PM
Originally posted by sonicboy
I didn't notice a brightness issue at all, the screen is very clear but now that I look at the photos yeah the NX is brighter.. I dont see it as an issue if anythin the NX is TOO bright maybe it needs to be for daylight applications.
If you go back, please check and make sure the UX was at max brightness. That really blows if the UX screen is that dark. It's hard to go from my TG back to my NX70 for the specific reason of the later having a weaker backlight. Of course, you can always crank up the screen brightness, but there goes the battery.
The only time a palm can be too bright is if you are reading at night in bed. Otherwise, I prefer the screen to be as bright as possible with at least four hours of battery between charges. My personal preference :p
n2ifp
08-10-2003, 12:00 AM
Originally posted by yOyOYoo
dah, if only sony gave us portrait mode with some REAL hardkey buttons. Heck I would be happy with the TG50 buttons since Im so used to them. Oh yeah and why not a bigger screen? PDAs like the hp 1945 prove that a thin unit with a large screen with decent battery life is possible.
Guess I'll wait for the UX60.
Yeah, I think you should wait for the UX60 :D
n2ifp
08-10-2003, 12:02 AM
Originally posted by Sneezy
If you go back, please check and make sure the UX was at max brightness. That really blows if the UX screen is that dark. It's hard to go from my TG back to my NX70 for the specific reason of the later having a weaker backlight. Of course, you can always crank up the screen brightness, but there goes the battery.
The only time a palm can be too bright is if you are reading at night in bed. Otherwise, I prefer the screen to be as bright as possible with at least four hours of battery between charges. My personal preference :p
I noticed that the UX launcher has a gray background vs the NX white background, so that may give the perception of not being as bright. My NX80 is set to 1 percent and it's still bright and too bright at night!
sonicboy
08-10-2003, 02:53 AM
yes it does have a grey background and yes it does give the illusion of a darker screen.. you can get pure white by bringing up a menu or something
I think its an option.. anyway I am off to take more photos now, be back soon.. :D
sonicboy
08-10-2003, 04:45 AM
OK PEEPS! I stopped at yodabashi kamera on my walk today with my cybershot and took some more shots (trying hard not to be "misleading" :P) and a few movies of the OS points..
http://jibjub.com/clie/
the screen brightness issue is a NON ISSUE, the UX screen is more than bright enough even in the poorly lit store. (on a side note, the screen on the UX is gorgeous, its so crisp and and has great contrast compared to the others)
the size comparison again but this time vertical (so I dont mislead anyone) and AGAIN with an expansion card sticking out of the bannana untill you critics realise what your saying..
In photo 1767 (showing the Preferences screen) there is an LED option. What is that for?
Does the UX have a blinding LED similar to the SJ33 and now there is a preference to dim it, somehow?
sonicboy
08-10-2003, 08:54 AM
the japanese translates as "LED INFORM" and there are only 2 options, on and off.
I think its the bluetooth and wifi LEDs..
Sunscreen
08-10-2003, 09:02 AM
Sonicboy, thanks for the new pics, and mostly, thanks for mentioning this Bic shop. I went to Akihabara this morning and decided that it`s one huge ripoff as far as socalled `dutyfree` is concerned, eg the English NX is 30% more expensive than the Japanese one. By chance I saw the Bic sign while on the train, jumped off and got one or two things at excellent prices. But no UX ;)
As your picture shows the UX is 30% wider than the NX, like I said before. From my experience with the ultrawide Psion I know that it`s a downside if the machine does not fit comfortably in your one hand it`s one of the few criticisms I have against it. I also checked the screen qualities again, and the UX had a slightly `darker` screen. I tried to adjust it but it couldn`t get it clear and bright as the NX.
Tomorrow I want to go back and compare their wireless capabilities, since I noticed at the last minute that the NX was Wlan connected.
sonicboy
08-10-2003, 09:10 AM
I dont think its wireless lan connected at bic camera, if anything it will be a demo AirH card but by all means try it out.. then come back and post about it :D
yeah Akihabara is FAMOUSU!!!! so of course the prices are high.. it costs alot to have english speaking staff you know :P the larger stores in akihabara have good deals sometimes, if you want a bargin the best bet is your local electronics store..
nickster87
08-10-2003, 11:16 AM
Thanks for the great pics!!!
stronggeek
08-10-2003, 11:19 AM
sonicboy, though I enjoy reading you review, I do so thinking that your opinions are tainted.
(1) I think NX users are trying to justify their mamoth
(2) if anythin the NX is TOO bright
(3) compared to the bannana LONG style clies (which always looked rediculous in my opinion)
Man, with you the NX didn't have a chance so you better like the UX! :)
But your review sparked some good "unbiased" reiviews from others and for that alone I thank you.
Just my opinion.
From what I can see now, I'll skip this thing the way I skipped the NZ.
Thanks for the new pics also.
sonicboy
08-10-2003, 11:40 AM
still looks like a bannana :D
I am just sick of hearing and all the criticism and from what I know it seems to come from NX users ie: "my NX is fine, the UX is too dim/expensive/small screen/wide border/large keyboard/low res/not T3.." etc "I think I pass on this upgrade" wtf?? like they are put out that sony released a better model or something...
well I went there thinking that it was going to be ho hum because of that but all the predicted short commings are non issues, the device is very nice.
and, and I never said the screen was too bright..
the keyboard is not as good as psion but if I was a keyboard maniac (rather than an gadget maniac) I would be in a psion forum..
nickster87
08-10-2003, 11:56 AM
One question:
How is the UX for gaming. You probably didn't play any games, but you could probably get an idea. This worries me a little. No dedicated up/down button....
How is it???
sonicboy
08-10-2003, 12:00 PM
I'll let you know in 2 days time... dont games let you configure keys anyway?
nickster87
08-10-2003, 12:58 PM
Probably depends on the game. Let me know when you find out!!;)
Sneezy
08-10-2003, 01:34 PM
Sunscreen: I am curious which Psion you have; I had a series 5x and a Revo. The 5's keyboard required the user to press hard on the keys to get them to respond, and the spacebar only worked half the time. The Revo was responsive, but had no key travel, and unless you had the "clicking" sound on, you were never for sure if the keys registered. These were gripes most people had with the Psions (not to mention the poor screen qualities and lack of a decent backlight). It always surprises me when people claim how great their keyboards are. I think there was a series 7 (?) with a better keyboard, but by that time I lost interest.
I HOPE the UX's keyboard has decent key travel and only needs a light touch to depress the keys. These are problems my TG has--that the Tungsten C doesn't. I was oh-so-close to ditching the TG and going Tungsten C, until the UX showed up.
Sonicboy: Excellent photos again. I for one appreciate your opinions, and I don't see you as being "biased" or "tainted." In fact, you are the opposite--you have an NX80, yet you're still extolling the virtues of the UX. You're not the only one, as PDAGal also had an NX80 and said it was actually hard to go back to hers after using the UX. Your honesty is helpful for me to make a decision about shelling out alot of cash for a new PDA. :)
nickster87
08-10-2003, 01:58 PM
Well put, Sneezy. I feel the same way!:)
stronggeek
08-10-2003, 02:10 PM
Originally posted by sonicboy
still looks like a bannana :D Point taken :)
I am just sick of hearing and all the criticism and from what I know it seems to come from NX users ie: "my NX is fine, the UX is too dim/expensive/small screen/wide border/large keyboard/low res/not T3.." etc "I think I pass on this upgrade" wtf?? like they are put out that sony released a better model or something... True, I went through that went I "upgraded to NX80". They were it's not really an upgrade. it's the same thing and etc. Well, it was different enough to have far better battery life and to be able to work the new GPS unit among other things.
well I went there thinking that it was going to be ho hum because of that but all the predicted short commings are non issues, the device is very nice. And I'm for you and looking forward to more pics and reviews
and, and I never said the screen was too bright.. "I dont see it as an issue if anythin the NX is TOO bright maybe it needs to be for daylight applications." Perhaps I took this out of context. No probs.
the keyboard is not as good as psion but if I was a keyboard maniac (rather than an gadget maniac) I would be in a psion forum.. I have an NX80 and by the way things sound I'd settle for the keyboard on that of the psion(I've used and they are sweet!) or the UX. Just put them on my banana, opps I mean NX! :)
Otherwise, no player hatin over here. Glad your happy or you're going to be happy with your purchase.
Later
stronggeek
08-10-2003, 02:40 PM
Originally posted by Sneezy
Your honesty is helpful for me to make a decision about shelling out alot of cash for a new PDA. :)
And cosigned by nickster87
If you're referring to me, I was not questioning his honesty, so please don't twist it.
People often have favorites and without even realizing it.
And if you read his response he explains the reason he takes the defensive position with UX.
And if you're not referring to me, then please kindly disregard.
And if you are, then read on.
Now, did you feel that the "unregistered" that sonicboy refers to in his 1st post was being honest though he had no "photographic proof"?
Will the "unregistered" influnce your buying decisons though he has no name and no pics?
Or do you question his honesty the way sonicboy does in a round about way with his opening comment "unlike our buddy unregistered I have photographic evidence.. "
I listen to everyone, even the "unregistered" and then form my own opinion.
Thankyou
Sneezy
08-10-2003, 03:09 PM
Originally posted by stronggeek
If you're referring to me, I was not questioning his honesty, so please don't twist it.
Stronggeek,
You should really chill out...I was not referring to you in the least. I said I appreciate your (MEANING SONICBOY's) honest remarks regarding the UX. At no point did I mention the name Stronggeek. Don't be so paranoid.
Most of us are excited about the new PDA coming out, just like we were excited when the new NX's, like you have, came out. If you're not into it, fine, just don't spoil our fun. :p
...and thank you too!
stronggeek
08-10-2003, 03:25 PM
Originally posted by Sneezy
Stronggeek,
You should really chill out...I was not referring to you in the least. I said I appreciate your (MEANING SONICBOY's) honest remarks regarding the UX. At no point did I mention the name Stronggeek. Don't be so paranoid.
Most of us are excited about the new PDA coming out, just like we were excited when the new NX's, like you have, came out. If you're not into it, fine, just don't spoil our fun. :p
...and thank you too!
Sorry, I searched the posts to see which post you could have possibly referenced to.
My post seemed to be the obvious choice because of it content and because your post followed so closely behind my own.
I'm neither paranoid or stupid. :)
And I'm all about having fun and learning... objectively.
Sneezy
08-10-2003, 03:37 PM
I guess the sequential nature of threads can make things confusing, especially when there are 3-4 conversations going on in the same thread.
It's so painful that these guys are getting to play with the new toys, and we can't get our hands on them for another month. Sad thing is, I live in BFE, and because of my job, when the UX does hit stores I probably won't get to play with it until early November. Oh well, I think Matrix Revolutions comes out then--two things to look forward to!
Defiant79
08-10-2003, 04:16 PM
You know what's sadder? That the NX73V is still not available in Holland:mad:
Don't mention the UX. Pobably released after Christmas or January 2004:(
Thankfully that The Matrix Revolutions has a global releasedate:D
stronggeek
08-10-2003, 05:51 PM
Originally posted by Sneezy
I guess the sequential nature of threads can make things confusing, especially when there are 3-4 conversations going on in the same thread.
Thanks for understanding, Definitely no harm intended. I'm definitely open to the purchase of UX which why I was here.
It's so painful that these guys are getting to play with the new toys, and we can't get our hands on them for another month. Sad thing is, I live in BFE, and because of my job, when the UX does hit stores I probably won't get to play with it until early November.
I guess I want a cross between the UX and the new NXs. I want BT and wifi built in, yet I still want my cf slot also, option to landscape or portrait and a bigger screen and no thicker than the older NX. I know, I want it all and I want it now! :)
Oh well, I think Matrix Revolutions comes out then--two things to look forward to!
No doubt!
Sneezy
08-10-2003, 06:50 PM
Here's my typical response to just about every new Clie that emerges:
It's got function A! Yeah!
It's got function B! Oh yeah!
It's got function C! Oh good heavens, yes!
Wait a minute, aspect D is smaller than before...arrg!
and aspect F is now gone...aww, I'll miss that.
but wait, aspect G is improved! Alright!
Oh no, aspect H is actually downgraded compared to the last one made...
It just keeps going. You would think that the ultimate PDA would have been made by now, but no. It seems with each step forward Sony takes, it also takes about a half a step back. Maybe someday!
nickster87
08-10-2003, 08:35 PM
I was just agreeing with Sneezy and what he said. I was in no way, shape or form making any hurtful comment towards you.;)
stronggeek
08-10-2003, 09:24 PM
Originally posted by nickster87
I was just agreeing with Sneezy and what he said. I was in no way, shape or form making any hurtful comment towards you.;)
Sorry1
sonicboy
08-11-2003, 12:42 AM
"unfortunatly you cannot be told what the UX is... you have to see it for yourself"
oh man, these multiple convos ARE messing me up.
my perfect PDA was my APPLE eMate 300!!!
better keyboard than the psion and could take a helluva beating, saw me through highschool :D
My friend is a keyboard maniac and he has a REVO.. I had a shot and I must say that is a fantastic design.. the way the back slides out so you can support it in between your index and middle finders oh man.. and the keyboard! wow.. well my friend claims he can touch type on it and thats why he bought it but he does have small hands...
make no mistake, the "keys" on the UX are BUTTONS not keys however they are a vast improvement over the hard buttons and tiny boards on the other models... if the NX had a keyboard that took up ALL that wasted space (running vertically).. now that would be a perfect PDA! (I can live with holding it sideways to type) I guess they figure the keyboard maniac market is already covered by psion..
ugokanain
08-11-2003, 01:45 AM
Yes, BIC is close to retail and the duty free is outrageous, though you can get some special items (5 km cordless phones, though they probably only give about 1 or 2 km :) ). However, it is a great place for someone with gadetatis, you can find about anything you could want (the Olympus' virtual reality googles are nice, any way to connect it to a Clie ?). Think the one in Ginza is larger, but wouldn't swear to it.
If you are looking for a good price try bestgate (http://www.bestgate.net/), found the UX50 ranging from about 500 1100 dollars (some stores with different prices, guess it depends on what they throw in. Are 8's lucky? Found most prices ending in 800 yens). The downside (or upside depending on how you see it) it is the japanese version, so you better get a good kanji dictionary ;) (it might even come with one?).
I do agree some of the nicest's pdas were apple's. It is a shame they stopped making them :mad:
sonicboy
08-11-2003, 02:19 AM
8's are lucky actually but I think its just an attempt at being less insulting to peoples inteligence than 999.99
I shop at BEST :D
evaoni
08-11-2003, 09:22 PM
I am very discouraged by the size of the screen. The thick border around the small screen makes it even worse. I'll have to check it out and weigh the pros/cons before I jump on it when it comes out in the US.
Unregistered
08-11-2003, 09:27 PM
You shouldn`t say that the screen is small. This makes Sonicboy very angry.... He also doesn`t like unregistered people...
sonicboy
08-11-2003, 11:10 PM
no, but evaoni has an NX so I ignore critisicms from that nic..
and I never get angry mate... never, never, NEVER!!!! :D
Sunscreen
08-12-2003, 01:57 AM
Sneezy: I've got a Psion 5MX. I suppose I'm positive about the keyboard because it is my first PDA and it's close to a PC's. After many hours of playing with Clies in the past few days, I've decided that the NX keyboard isn't that bad but it's still not the Psion. The UX keyboard is just about par with the Psion, though of course different in concept. But the screen is about a quarter of the Psion's... I'll probably switch back to the Psion when I'm 65 with bad eyesight!
The thing about the Psion is that you will use if it for the rest of your life, if you wanted to, particularly because it uses AA batteries. My girlfriend is not a geek person, she really (really!) owns it as a productivity tool, and thinks I'm wasting my time spending so much money on changing to an NX. I know that I will throw the NX away in two year's time because the battery's holding power will be through and there will (listen up Sony) be no replacement part.
That's the life of a gadget freak!
Sonicboy: I see you've now got your UX so maybe you can comment. In the Bic store I tried going online with both NX and UX, the NX gave a Cannot connect message while the UX just hung and did nothing. I'm still sure the story as a Wlan though, perhaps it was down.
sonicboy
08-12-2003, 04:48 AM
the UX has settings in the network panel for the japanese wireless internet providers? they dont use 802.11 do they? I am not too sure but I thought that service used the telcos network... I have to reasearch.. internet on the train would be sweet
ugokanain
08-12-2003, 12:16 PM
Originally posted by sonicboy
the UX has settings in the network panel for the japanese wireless internet providers? they dont use 802.11 do they? I am not too sure but I thought that service used the telcos network... I have to reasearch.. internet on the train would be sweet
Don't recall many people in the subway using their pdas, but I sure have a burning image of almost everyone pusing keys like mad on their phones while riding the subways. Always thought it was amazing that there was a good signal down there!
To think that my cell phone will not work 5m away from a window inside a big building (or was it a shed :D )
sonicboy
08-12-2003, 12:41 PM
yeah thats phones, you saw lots of people using PDAs right?
or.. when did you visit? things change pretty quick here..
ugokanain
08-12-2003, 12:54 PM
I visited last year, and hardly remember seeing any pdas, mostly phones. Though I wouldn't be surprised that was last year, and now everyone uses their pdas instead. Between the speed of technology, the changes in fad, and the convinience in pdas, it gives me something to look forwards ;)
sonicboy
08-12-2003, 01:04 PM
yeah japanese phones envelope alot of the basic functions of PDAs and are still the most widely used for these types of things.. the only people you see using PDAs are business men and nerds... oh and foreigners :P
ugokanain
08-12-2003, 01:10 PM
I would love to have the japanese phones at home. Besides them being kawaii, they have some pretty cool features. Even saw one with a gps built into, great if you don't know the city (of course for us foreigners :) Anotherone had a built in dictionary, just with a swap of cards (memory or personality?).
Believe they are thinking of adding a way to control appliances when away from home (or is it for the couch potatoes?)
Some companies have started to trickle some of the features of japanese phonese to the west, but I would rather have the original thing :)
sonicboy
08-12-2003, 01:18 PM
yeah, the "west" is just getting camera mobiles where the "other west" (japan) is getting video mobiles
JackAxe
08-14-2003, 12:25 AM
U.S. phones are always 2 years behind. I noticed that the Samsung phones are sloooooooooooooooow.
Hopefully this all changes by next year.
<]=)
AndyJapan
08-14-2003, 12:32 AM
Originally posted by ugokanain
I would love to have the japanese phones at home. Besides them being kawaii, they have some pretty cool features. Even saw one with a gps built into, great if you don't know the city (of course for us foreigners :) Anotherone had a built in dictionary, just with a swap of cards (memory or personality?).
Believe they are thinking of adding a way to control appliances when away from home (or is it for the couch potatoes?)
Some companies have started to trickle some of the features of japanese phonese to the west, but I would rather have the original thing :)
I have a phone with built-in GPS, but did not use this function very often as one would have to pay 200 to 400 Yen per month to subscribe to a service to display decent maps. Moreover, it`s entirely in Japanese as it is basically a web service which means that you will also have to pay for the data volume (position, maps) transfered. It is not very fast either. Looking it up on a map can be sometimes quicker... I also thought that this feature is quite useful, but was disappointed later on. A PDA with GPS MS might work better, but the costs are also not very low.
sonicboy
08-14-2003, 12:34 AM
yeah, keitai GPS doesn't make oo much sense.. just buy that GPS navi from japanet, ey?
ConceptVBS
08-14-2003, 03:57 PM
Originally posted by JackAxe
I noticed that the Samsung phones are sloooooooooooooooow.
Slow in what sense?
JackAxe
08-14-2003, 04:31 PM
When playing little games. But on the other hand, Samsung phones have really nice screens.
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Sneezy
08-14-2003, 04:38 PM
Originally posted by Sunscreen
Sneezy: I've got a Psion 5MX. I suppose I'm positive about the keyboard because it is my first PDA and it's close to a PC's. After many hours of playing with Clies in the past few days, I've decided that the NX keyboard isn't that bad but it's still not the Psion. The UX keyboard is just about par with the Psion, though of course different in concept. But the screen is about a quarter of the Psion's... I'll probably switch back to the Psion when I'm 65 with bad eyesight!
The thing about the Psion is that you will use if it for the rest of your life, if you wanted to, particularly because it uses AA batteries. My girlfriend is not a geek person, she really (really!) owns it as a productivity tool, and thinks I'm wasting my time spending so much money on changing to an NX. I know that I will throw the NX away in two year's time because the battery's holding power will be through and there will (listen up Sony) be no replacement part.
That's the life of a gadget freak!
Sunscreen: I, too, have a 5mx. I can't believe the screen would actually be better for a 65 year old's presbyopia (poor eye sight). The 5mx, at least mine, has a horrible contrast, and the backlight is a joke. Not to mention monochrome. I have actually started reading from my PDA's (novels even!) since I upgraded to bright, color devices like the NX. The 5mx does have a large display going for it, though.
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