Man, maybe Jackflash really won't work on The NX73/80. :(

[stronggeek]

Edit: Sorry I meant NX80 instead of 90 in subject of post
I just got home from work and decided to check out brayders page and saw this: 


http://www.brayder.com/news.html


August 5, 2003

<B>JackFlash 3.0b9 Released (http://www.brayder.com/products/jackflash.html)</B>
JackFlash 3.0b9 adds support for the Tungsten T2.

Upgrade to JackFlash 3.0b9 (http://www.brayder.com/support/upgraderequest.html).




I sent email&nbsp;to Baryder earlier asking the if the NX80 was even do-able.

Larry and you the other guys may be right about the flash being locked out by Sony.

Anyway, I know it takes time to develope software and atleast Brayder shows the NX80 listed on there site in the pick list.

Otherwise, I'm still enjoying my NX80 anyway.

[kp*]

While I don't put it past Sony to lock the flash, if you're only basing your theory on the fact that Brayder has updated for a more-recently-released Palm handheld before the Clies, I think that might just be because Palm probably makes it easier for them, so it takes less time for them to figure out a solution. Like the Eruware driver, it may be possible to make it work for the new Clies, but it will probably take time because Sony doesn't help developers. I'm still rooting for Brayder to work something out. Until they say it can't be done, I will remain hopeful.

[stronggeek]

Originally posted by kp*
I'm still rooting for Brayder to work something out. Until they say it can't be done, I will remain hopeful.

I'm not giving up yet.

It just doesn't look good, especially with Sony at the helm!

And yes, a newer unit getting the app 1st!

[cbulock]

I would keep waiting. You never know, it might work, might not. But I know it was quite a wait for a version for the NX60/70 to come out. Palm probably makes it easy for Brayer to add support for their devices. They have to work harder for the Sonys.:)

[excelir5]

I got an Email response from Brayder's Tech Department yesterday and they said that they are having difficulties, but are still optimistic, it is just going to take longer than they had thought.

Hang in there, when the NX70 came out, there was alot of grumbling going on because Brayder was having trouble with the ROM access in that one too and they worked it out.

[rldunn]

About the T2, I think it only has minor changes from the original T, most notably the screen. So it likely didn't have any changes to the way that Flash was implemented, which would make the early support by JF more understandable. The NX80 has a much different flash setup than the NX70. But if Brayder is able to figure it out, it will be amazing to see how much space is available. It might make the 4MB available on the NX70 look like nothing!!

[JwY]

we'll just have to wait to see how things turn out

[stronggeek]

Well, at least we know they're trying! :)

Subject: Re: Brayder Tech Support Query
Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 10:49:13 -0600


We are still working on it. At this point we still expect
to be able to support it fairly soon.

Brad.

[n2ifp]

Look, in the past, I wanted to point out to those making the NX73 purchase that the possibility existed that using Flash ROM might not be doable! Sony had changed things on the TG50 which made it unflashable. Anyone remember neon's posts in the general forum?

Please remember if Brayder were smart, they wouldn't so no until they were sure, otherwise they would say it's possible.

[n2ifp]

I am not against having Flash ROM. When I went to Intel's site to read up on the new all in one Strata-Flash chip, one of the options is the ability to lock the chip with a 64 bit code. Knowing Sony's proprietary nature, what do you think Sony would do?

[stronggeek]

Originally posted by n2ifp
I am not against having Flash ROM. When I went to Intel's site to read up on the new all in one Strata-Flash chip, one of the options is the ability to lock the chip with a 64 bit code. Knowing Sony's proprietary nature, what do you think Sony would do?

Lock it up... good and tight!

[ssulux]

maybe i'm stupid about this flash rom, ram etc.
but i am still hoping that brayder would come up with something for my nx80.

[ugokanain]

It is ridiculous to include a flash memory in a device that will probably will never take advantage of it (even for regular improvements, look at the other NXs that haven't gotten upgraded to the new software of the NX80/73). Once you buy the device it is yours to do whatever you wish with it, so Sony doesn't have the right to lock it up. In general I tend not to buy electronics that can't be upgraded (or that they won't!), since I hate planned obsolescence.

This makes a strong point for getting a T/C, you know you will always be able to upgrade (even probably to OS 6, and who knows OS 7 :) ) and play with the flash memory. Heck, I even did a friend's Vx to 4.1 this weekend, giving it a new life (and there are still about 500 kB in flash memory left).

[stronggeek]

Originally posted by ugokanain
It is ridiculous to include a flash memory in a device that will probably will never take advantage of it (even for regular improvements, look at the other NXs that haven't gotten upgraded to the new software of the NX80/73).

Once you buy the device it is yours to do whatever you wish with it, so Sony doesn't have the right to lock it up. I agrree,&nbsp;but maybe we&nbsp;feel the benefits of owning one outweighs the advatage of possibly not being able to use all the flash. I do.

&nbsp;since I hate planned obsolescence I won't. Whatever you buy now in a way is "planned obsolescence"&nbsp; anyway.

This makes a strong point for getting a T/C, you know you will always be able to upgrade (even probably to OS 6, and who knows OS 7 :) ) and play with the flash memory. I'll&nbsp; probably get something else next year anyway and it will smoke the current TC and NX thereby&nbsp; rendering them... as you put it.... dare&nbsp;I say it...obsolete! There I said it.

In general I tend not to buy electronics that can't be upgraded (or that they Heck, I even did a friend's Vx to 4.1 this weekend, giving it a new life (and there are still about 500 kB in flash memory left). See, even your friends vx isn't obsolete. I honestly don't think it's obsolete if it's still doing the job for you. And if Brayder can't release the flash(And they never said they could) than so be it. IMHO the NX80 with it's VG is still the best thing out.&nbsp;With the MS and CF most of don't really&nbsp;need all the ram and released flash anyway. But we want it! :)

Later

[ugokanain]

Just discovered the Zaurus ;) I thought there was only Palm and the evil empire's OS. Now there is Linux on a PDA, makes you wonder about getting something that will not be upgradable and has a planned obsolescence (I know while it does what you need its ok, but the more you use it the more you want :D Besides there is always the WOW factor ).

Even found there is a palm emulator, but why an emulator if both run on the same cpu now! Well I was all set up on an NX80, but since the US mail order places are becoming more of a pain (that is if you don't have a US home registered to your CC :( ), I will be grabbing one at Hong Kong, but not before I get to play with a Zaurus (hope that now with the UX, the NX prices will drop). Besides what could be more open than Open Linux!

[stronggeek]

Originally posted by ugokanain
Just discovered the Zaurus ;) I thought there was only Palm and the evil empire's OS. Now there is Linux on a PDA, And I had an newton (Apple OS)&nbsp;110 what seems like years ago now&nbsp;before I jumped on board the palm OS.

makes you wonder about getting something that will not be upgradable and has a planned obsolescence (I know while it does what you need its ok, but the more you use it the more you want :D Besides there is always the WOW factor ). I Agree. I want it and I want it now! :) Man the already talking about the T4 in other threads!

Even found there is a palm emulator, but why an emulator if both run on the same cpu now! Well I was all set up on an NX80, but since the US mail order places are becoming more of a pain (that is if you don't have a US home registered to your CC :( ), I will be grabbing one at Hong Kong, but not before I get to play with a Zaurus (hope that now with the UX, the NX prices will drop). Besides what could be more open than Open Linux!

Yea, the Zaurus is cool.

They've grown up quite a bit.

I had one back in the day when it was just an organizer. :)

I think it was called an OZ-9000 or something like that.

Let us know how you like it compared to the NX.

[n2ifp]

Hey, I also had the Zaurus, it cost about $700 big ones. I think I still have it somewhere. It even took a PCMCIA sized flash memory card by Simple Tech!

[stronggeek]

Originally posted by n2ifp
Hey, I also had the Zaurus, it cost about $700 big ones. I think I still have it somewhere. It even took a PCMCIA sized flash memory card by Simple Tech!

I still have mine somewhere to too!

And I have the box, manual and the PCMCIA cards(Were they type 2 - I might be getting confused with the newton's data storage)

Anyway, hot stuff a decade ago.

I never did transfer all my ph numbers out of that thing. :)

[n2ifp]

I did, I know I managed somehow :D That was to an HPC, but don't tell anyone...

[stronggeek]

Bad Larry! :)