im waiting for new ux60!

[Unregistered]

i think the ideal machine will come after ux50. it will probably resemble more to new sharp in specs...by then bugs worked out and new programs are available.
lets wait and see!

[nickster87]

I would get the UX50, but the fact that the screen doesn't go into protrait mode is enough to keep me away from it.

If the Zaurus C750 had a better developer following, I would get that in a heartbeat.

Oh well, I guess it is back to the NX80V with a Circuit City Protection Plan.;)

[TechnoCat]

Originally posted by Unregistered
i think the ideal machine will come after ux50. it will probably resemble more to new sharp in specs...by then bugs worked out and new programs are available.
lets wait and see!
Ummm, dude.... what bugs have you found in the UX-50? Are you implying that you played with one in a store that was available for immediate pick-up and decided instead to hold off because it had bugs and some programs didn't run?

Yeah, I'm not gonna buy a new BMW in 2006 because those 2017 models will be so much cooler and besides I hear the 2006 BMWs have quality problems and aren't available in blue. In 2017 it will resemeble the Air Research Vector more and have an integrated Mr. Fusion powerplant.

Wotta load....

[nickster87]

Take it easy TechnoCat.;)

I see what the original poster is saying, and I also see your point. I think *Unregistered* is saying that he will what for a model that seems to be more promising in his/her eyes.

The only "bug" I see is not being able to rotate the screen to switch its orientation.:( Stupid Sony!!:)

[bij]

technocat... lemme pour some water one you... your on fire, lol!!

that was one of the best rages ive seen in a while!! :D

[yOyOYoo]

the UX60 will be as big of an improvement over the UX50 as the NX70v was over the NR70v

If you remember the NR70v, you should learn your lesson and NOT get the UX50.

[newyorktd]

I'm with the cat...

Just say I am waiting to buy a new machine...There is no UX60, and there are no known bugs with the UX...

[n2ifp]

It's a different story if a model they want comes out :D

[ksjenkins]

To wait or not................ Hmmmmmm..... I think I've waited long enough.... I want my UX-50 NOW!!!

You can always wait for what tomorrow will bring, but will you ever be really satisified? Naaah!!! There is always the next best thing.

Like Mick said: "You can't always get what you want, but if you try sometime you just might find, you get what you need!" :)

[jaimejr66]

Assuming Sony has learned their Lessons properly one can hope that whatever Follows up the UX-50 will improve on the ommisions Sony made.

[elf]

Originally posted by jaimejr66
Assuming Sony has learned their Lessons properly one can hope that whatever Follows up the UX-50 will improve on the ommisions Sony made.

Then we all better wait for the UX-70. :D :) :D ;)

[n2ifp]

It's for a niche market. There will be other models that will make you forget all about the UX.

[sindu]

I want it now !!!! WIFI, usable keyboard, and BT with OS 5.2 is already good enough for me usage. If I were to wait for UX 60 or 70....might as well wait for UX Nth which Sony implant in my BRAIN .

[yOyOYoo]

well all I have to say is that having a hi-res+ screen that only supports landscape and NOT portrait is just about as ridiculous as having a hi-res+ screen with NO built in applications supporting hi-res+.

Again, im referring to the NR70v, which only allowed the use of hi-res+ with the photo application. This is why I say the UX60 will be superior.

[nickster87]

I agree completely.

I suffered with my NR70V, and I will not repeat will the UX50.;)

[olo]

I think SONY could have done better. Yes they are a quite innovative company but yet:

- why in the world they made the screen smaller???
- why could the they not install decent RAM, just look at TapWave (128mb)
with OS 5.2 it should not be a problem...?
- why no portrait mode?

I agree: it is similar to the NR story with OS 4.1 and OS 5.x waiting to be released any moment... So I believe it makes sense to wait for OS 6 and a possible UX 60/70....

I am tempted but not enough to leave my NZ...

cheers Nicolas

[Icepick4u]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by nickster87
[B]I would get the UX50, but the fact that the screen doesn't go into protrait mode is enough to keep me away from it.

This tiny mishap keep me away too , and keep stand and waiting:mad:

[ziehensack9]

yeah, that made me opt for the NX73V instead of waiting for the UX50 to come out.

[GrantMaster]

I would pass on ux50 too.

But I was once overwhelmed by the TG-50, so I see what's going on with the people that really want the ux50 right now. Wouldn't stop them either. They'll probably be happy with it, and Sony will get the sales it needs before pulling the next model. Everyone'll get what they want. :D


If I didn't have my NX with me right now, The dillema would've been too much. UX is the closest thing to what I wanted in a PDA when I first thought about getting one.

[UKClieBoy]

I am going to wait for the OS6 UX-- etc too.

But wait...then I will have to wait for the OS6.5 VX--, which will then be surpassed by the OS7 XX--!

You get the drift...

...if a PDA does what you need it to, then why bother upgrading all the time or waiting for the 'next big thing'?? I still use an N770 and will upgrade when I can afford to and need to, which may be the UX50 because of the integrated WiFi and BT.

The screen is smaller on the UX, but the resolution is the same and it makes the device that little bit smaller and, from what I have heard from friends in Japan, much clearer and easier to use.

[Omnitron]

Problem is the next model will probably be more expensive as well. Buy now before it goes to $1000 for a ux1000!!!!!

[AndyJapan]

I am waiting for a NX90 or NX100 whatever. NX80 format, but thinner. HiRES+ is a must. More RAM and BT & WLAN onboard. I don`t use the keyboard, so they can dump it as well. OS6? Yes, I can wait... My NX60 is still O.K. for me...

[Ftrooper93]

Upgrade paths are a tricky slope no matter what. if it does what you want and need, get it. And don't regret it when something better comes a month later. If you wait, well, you'll always be waiting.

But the issue of waiting to let the first model get out is a good one. I'll wait until the second generation of UXs are out before I buy, since the 1st gen does tend to have more problems.

[jaimejr66]

The NX-80 and UX-40 are both 599.99. That is probably the highest most of us want to pay for our Clies. At 699 the UX-50 is getting to pricy. At 799 the NZ-90 was out of reach.

The UX-50 is just not worth it for the Price.

Again I say, I'm waiting for OS-6 models.

[TechnoCat]

Originally posted by jaimejr66
The NX-80 and UX-40 are both 599.99. That is probably the highest most of us want to pay for our Clies. At 699 the UX-50 is getting to pricy. At 799 the NZ-90 was out of reach.

The UX-50 is just not worth it for the Price.
Isn't it? Throw away your automatic reaction to price-vs-screensize or whatever, and look instead at what you get for the price.


WiFi, currently only otherwise on the T|C... for $200 less (now), but the T|C lacks bluetooth, stereo output, the extra pixels and VG.
Bluetooth - more widely availabe now than in the past, but lacking on many other models including the T|C
Usable keyboard, something that in many opinions no other Sony has had... including the NZ.
320x480 resolution in the smallest form-factor ever! The NZ takes 50% more volume (cubic space) for the same resolution!
Tiny, pocketable. Lower space requirements than any NX or NZ, on par with the smaller systems even though arranged differently.
Stereo and Video playback. The T|C lacks stereo output, the T|T has trouble with sound quality, but the UX introduces video and stereo-oriented processing designed to leapfrog Sony over even their previous units.
Camera. I personally consider it dumb, but this keeps it competitive on this bullet-item with the Z71 and all upper Sonys. Another feature no Tungsten, not even the $499 one, has.
Cool look. Don't lie to yourself, many geeks get gadgets for the coolness factor, and for a year or so the UX will be the coolest because it's the most different.
Landscape for Games. Yeah, the focus has been on "business", but most games are played much more in the landscape format. Just like your desktop screen. Makes for more-natural movement. I suspect the UX will quickly be the preferred gaming choice (perhaps excluding the Helix.)
Email/Books/Webpages. Sure, you SAY portrait works better for you, but you're wrong. Try this: Print out a document arranged into 5 columns on a page, and print the same document arranged into one column landscape. Try reading. It really is easier having fewer line-breaks, on top of being more compatible with web pages, spreadsheets, and comic strips.

In light of the evidence, it seems more likely that the NZ-90 is the unit not worth it for the price, but of course that's fully dependent on what you need and want from a PDA. For me, the UX is a bargain. Name any other Palm-based PDA that can be outfitted with:

Bluetooth
WiFi
Stereo
320x480
Usable keyboard
in 10 cubic inches or less for under $700.

Can't do it? Then why do you think the UX isn't worth the price?

[scientist]

a trip to bestbuy will show how expensive this new toy will be for looking up phone numbers and contacts...
by the way, is it possible to use a kind of modem with this device? not all hotels have wireless capabilities yet...

[Ellis]

The kind of modem to use is in your mobile phone, via Bluetooth.

[Omnitron]

Add a wifi card ($149) to your NX80 and you've spent MORE on it than the UX50! Of course the card is going to stick out, and have to be removed and reinserted constantly...

To me it is more a question of memory vs. camera resolution and CF compatibility. -- The cost SAVINGS above is starting to make me lean in favor of the UX.

[gyffes]

What IS the CF compatibility of the UX? Is it partial, like on the latest Clie's or non-existant (w/o Global Crossing's patch, that is) like on the NXs?

I must admit, the UX LOOKS like what I searched for before buying my NX60 -- I drooled long over the various Psions and even contemplated Dynamism's Zaurus. Nearly returned the NX when I found out about the Nexio -- is the UX the answer to this?

btw: reading in landscape's FAR easier on the eyes -- longer sentences ease comprehension. Dat's a fact, jack.

[UKClieBoy]

Err...the CF compatability of the UX is zero! It does not have a CF slot!!

[gyffes]

well, then, that's good to know.. that plus Sony's unwillingness to give us more than 16mb means I must wait. And wait..

[Raptor]

Originally posted by gyffes
well, then, that's good to know.. that plus Sony's unwillingness to give us more than 16mb means I must wait. And wait..

While this doesn't solve the lack of CF "problem" (only a problem if you're a heavy CF card user), the following thread explains the memory situation and why the UX DOES have more than 16MB:

http://www.cliesource.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=21228

Just thought people should know the facts before completely giving up. ;)

[UKClieBoy]

I agree. And who needs CF when you have built-in wireless LAN/BT and MS Pro ability?? No more swapping the cards around!

OK, I expect to get 5000 whining replies about MS Pro cost/Sony's 'dominance' and self-promoting of MS etc, etc...
But the truth is that MS Pro prices have started to drop already (even here in the UK - miracle!) and the next range of 1Gb+ cards must be on its way soon.

[nickster87]

$400 for a 1GB MS Pro is still too much for most.

[Raptor]

Originally posted by nickster87
$400 for a 1GB MS Pro is still too much for most.

Weren't the first 1GB microdrives and CF cards around that much?

How long have they been on the market compared to an equal capacity MS?

[tritan]

What is the difference in the high rez from the Nr-70?

[yOyOYoo]

I'm not saying the UX50 will be bad, but im saying that in the next version there will be a LOT of improvement.

Look at the T615c to T665c or the NR70v to the NX70v. Big differences here and many subtle improvements.

[Sneezy]

Originally posted by yOyOYoo
I'm not saying the UX50 will be bad, but im saying that in the next version there will be a LOT of improvement.

Look at the T615c to T665c or the NR70v to the NX70v. Big differences here and many subtle improvements.

Those weren't subtle improvements, those were major upgrades! The T665 had double the processor speed and MP3 compared to the 615. The NX had voice recording, an actually useful camera, video recording, a 200 mhz processor, and a cf slot with wifi ability compared to the NR.

There's a reason (actually, several reasons) why people who bought earlier versions of these devices felt disappointed when their successors were unveiled!!!

But look at those people who bought the NX70--most could care less about the 73 and even the 80. Arguably, you just don't gain much with the new NX's. The 70 has all that most want/need.

The UX will be more like an NX than an NR. It will pack more than most people will need, and they'll be happy with it. The so called "UX60" will be like a 73 or 80; just "subtle improvements" will be made. I can foresee the future.:cool:

[nickster87]

All I want is the ability to switch screen orientation. If the UX50 had that feature, I would have preordered it long ago. I would even be happy with only 16 MB or memory if it had this ability. That is what I hope the next model brings.;)

[yOyOYoo]

why won't sony give us screen orientation?!?

http://www.pocketloft.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=1248

look at the new Zodiac specs. 128mb RAM!!!!!! portrait and landscape modes, new virtual graffiti with lower and upper case letters, ala PPC.

now compare this 119mb useable ram with the measely 16mb ram of the UX50. What the heck is sony thinking??! Look at how the Zodiac has 2, yes TWO sdio slots. The zodiac does portrait and landscape with a standard palm hi-res+ api.

SOny HAS to do something to upgrade its ram. The UX50 is just pathetic!

The UX60 should have hardkey buttons in portrait tablet mode. that would be cool.

[yOyOYoo]

I apologize for sounding like such a downer.

I mean if I knew about the T665 before I bought the T615 or about the NX70v before I bought the NR70v, I would not have minded waiting an extra 3-4 months for the upgraded version. My N760 was perfect for me. I guess I made the wrong two upgrades. While they were t615c to nr70v, they SHOULD have been t665c to NX70v.

I just want whoever reads this to not make the same mistake. we all see the shortcomings of the UX50 and we can all pretty much predict what sony will correct and implement in the UX60.

History repeats itself. That's why we study it, so that we don't make the same mistakes again.

[scientist]

an important thing to consider is business way of thinking. there are toy collectors here who pay for new toys and sony knows this. they want to make money first, second to answer to their clients needs. people should stop buying ux all together because sony has already the knowledge and ability to come up with a better product. since lx200 there has not been a good keyboard on a PDA ...now they remembered. I wish new sharp would run on palm OS or had a builtin emulator...the camera is a useless idea anyway...but portrait landscape change is a must

[TechnoCat]

Originally posted by yOyOYoo
I apologize for sounding like such a downer.

I mean if I knew about the T665 before I bought the T615 or about the NX70v before I bought the NR70v, I would not have minded waiting an extra 3-4 months for the upgraded version. My N760 was perfect for me. I guess I made the wrong two upgrades. While they were t615c to nr70v, they SHOULD have been t665c to NX70v.

I just want whoever reads this to not make the same mistake. we all see the shortcomings of the UX50 and we can all pretty much predict what sony will correct and implement in the UX60.
Two problems with your analysis.

First, shortcomings for you may not be shortcomings for others. My daily driver, despite a house of very fancy new PDAs, is still a IIIc. Why? It does the job, has a big screen, is very legible. My killer-features are a pair of wirelesses and a decent keyboard. I could have settled for the TG50 if the keyboard were (for me) usable - the UX will be what the TG50 should have been from my perspective. Or I could have settled for a T|C if it had included a stereo audio jack - the UX will be what the T|C should have been. So the little fixes you foresee just aren't relevant to me. In fact, I've be happier if it didn't have a camera at all for example.

The other problem with your analysis is that you assume Sony will do what they recently haven't. Yes, they've released lots of units over the last two years, but their improvements in the SJ- line and TG-line have been more at a normal pace. The SJ22 is still basically an SJ30, just renamed and repriced, not really upgraded. The SJ33 was a nice move forward, but incremental after a long wait and hasn't been upgraded since, nor are there rumours it will be. The TG50 has been repriced, but no moves to upgrade it either and it's been the "3-4 months" already.

So part of the question is, if you don't know an update will come inside eight months, and it would be a big upgrade from where you are now, now, is it really worth it betting than an upgrade will come soon enough to earn back your opportunity cost?

The answer, for everyone, is in the opportunity cost itself, and this is partially based on what they have now and how happy they are with it. If I already has a TG50, the upgrade probably wouldn't be worth it, but the upgrade to a TG50 was too flawed for me so I don't have one so this UX50 is consequently a bigger step up than it would otherwise be... and hence lost opportunity cost if I don't upgrade is higher.

Make sense?