Regretting Nx80v

[Metrion Cascade]

I got the NX80 about three weeks ago, and I'm ready to sell this damned thing.

Pros: None that the NX70V didn't have.

Cons:

1.) The CF slot is no more useful than the NX70V's with the EruWare driver.

2.) This thing is morbidly obese.

3.) I would like to manually disembowel the person who thought of making the stylus even smaller.

4.) The keyboard keys are impossible to feel, and the special characters/punctuation must be printed in invisible ink.

5.) STILL no dedicated numbers row?

6.) On ANY electronic device, the power button should be easy to find and serve no other purpose.

7.) There is no excuse for a voice memo button that can't be reassigned.

8.) There is also no excuse for a capture light that you can't turn on at will when you're looking for your keys.

9.) I can forgive the BT Memory Stick protruding from the side a bit. I will not forgive the fact that it doesn't work under any circumstances even after you've installed every single driver known to man.

10.) Graffiti 2 is in no way, shape, or form any improvement over the original. Some of my favorite characters aren't even included! And Decuma is visual pollution.

11.) Next time, let's make the up/down keys a little bigger.

Things Sony will have to do before I consider their machines anything but jilling off "concept gadget" fantasies...

1.) A long, fat stylus, I mean one that I need two hands to hold. And a pen under the stylus tip. In fact, just make the stylus a Rotring Tri-pen.

2.) Bring back original Graffiti and all of the original characters.

3.) Integrated Bluetooth.

4.) Keys (especially on the keyboard) that protrude more, are lit evenly in a primary or secondary color, and have slightly rough surfaces.

5.) A dedicated number row.

6.) Software that they know works before they sell it.

7.) I want the CEO of Sony to personally kiss the *** of every person who has ever bought a Clie. I will SO not shower that morning...

And a request to everyone out there using a Clie...Don't buy memory sticks from Sony. At least deny them that much profit. Lexar's sticks light up...

[mshaf]

very funny!

[omgitsroy326]

hahah

[ricleo]

Wow...this is one biased review....

Originally posted by Metrion Cascade
I got the NX80 about three weeks ago, and I'm ready to sell this damned thing.

Pros: None that the NX70V didn't have. 

How about super battery life, much brighter screen that works great in sunlight, hardware buttons in tablet mode, 1MP camera, all system patches updated and installed, full MsPro compatible, big apps preinstalled, full 15.5MB available without jackflash.

Cons:

1.) The CF slot is no more useful than the NX70V's with the EruWare driver.

With mini's patch, CF use on NX80 is stable, no corruption issues that the Eruware driver had, Data Import that works perfectly with the CF. Video and Voice Recorder that works with CF

2.) This thing is morbidly obese.

Ok, I admit I want a slimmer profile too...

3.) I would like to manually disembowel the person who thought of making the stylus even smaller.

Use another stylus? Not worth it to get jailed for murder just because of a stylus :p

4.) The keyboard keys are impossible to feel, and the special characters/punctuation must be printed in invisible ink.

Harder to feel, which is why its backlit so you can see it better? :p Characters and punctuation are perfectly clear to me, except for use at night. if only there's a way to have the punctuations light up as well.

5.) STILL no dedicated numbers row?

Point taken and agreed.

6.) On ANY electronic device, the power button should be easy to find and serve no other purpose.

At least there will not be any issue of people comlaining their units are dead cuz they can't switch on the Clie(when they forgot the unit was on hold)

7.) There is no excuse for a voice memo button that can't be reassigned.

There's already a button for video/still camera and a separate one for voice rec... what more do you want?

8.) There is also no excuse for a capture light that you can't turn on at will when you're looking for your keys.

Read the "tips and tricks with NX80v thread" and you would have seen my tip on how to switch on the capture light in closed mode without looking even at the screen.

9.) I can forgive the BT Memory Stick protruding from the side a bit. I will not forgive the fact that it doesn't work under any circumstances even after you've installed every single driver known to man.

You have to install the new drivers from sony. I know of someone who has the BT MS and it works perfectly with his NX80.

10.) Graffiti 2 is in no way, shape, or form any improvement over the original. Some of my favorite characters aren't even included! And Decuma is visual pollution.

Graffiti 2 is sure not an improvement, but sony had to change it due to the Xerox patent case... so you will not find the original graffiti any more on any new palms.. At least Sony includes Decuma as an alternative... Palm only offers graffiti 2 now.

11.) Next time, let's make the up/down keys a little bigger.

Oh yah...anf everyone complained that the NX70 had super weird hardware buttons placement. Now they have listened and placed the buttons in a straight line and still there are complaints...


1.) A long, fat stylus, I mean one that I need two hands to hold. And a pen under the stylus tip. In fact, just make the stylus a Rotring Tri-pen.

Buy your own stylus...those 4 in 1 stylus that has built in pens and mechanical pencil...long and fat....available almost anywhere.

2.) Bring back original Graffiti and all of the original characters.

No longer possible due to legal issues....unless u can get the old graffiti out of the NX70 and hack it for use on the New clies. If you can do it for us, POWER to you!! :D

3.) Integrated Bluetooth.

Fair enough request... UX50 for you?

4.) Keys (especially on the keyboard) that protrude more, are lit evenly in a primary or secondary color, and have slightly rough surfaces.

UX50's the answer

5.) A dedicated number row.

another UX50 answer


6.) Software that they know works before they sell it.

So...which sony software doesn't work?

7.) I want the CEO of Sony to personally kiss the *** of every person who has ever bought a Clie. I will SO not shower that morning...

Nah....thanks but NO thanks :p

Haha...Maybe I'm a little biased as well...but I'm really too darn satisfied with my NX80 :D just my take on things...

And a request to everyone out there using a Clie...Don't buy memory sticks from Sony. At least deny them that much profit. Lexar's sticks light up...

[n2ifp]

Sounds to me that your a little less than thrilled with it...

[jebrito]

I still love my NX80
And by the way i buone of thise pens that have an stylus pin too, and it fit perfectly in my Rotring tri-pen.

[Metrion Cascade]

Honestly the backlit keyboard doesn't at all make up for fact that you can't feel the keys. They're just too shallow and too hard to push. I am not going to carry a separate stylus (usually I don't have enough pockets), and the problem with the voice memo button not being reassignable is the fact that I never use the voice memo. What video recorder are you using that allows storage to the CF? Mine doesn't.

What new drivers from Sony are these for the BT MS? I can't find any... I didn't realize Sony believed in the practice of customer support.

(Be careful with your response...it's that time of the month...grrr...Metrion smash!!!)

[jklfafa]

GUess what?????
I just brought a velo 500, im quite sure even thats better than a ux50
i simply hate graffitti 2, its pointless, not quite optimizing, they should let you cuzstomize stokes like t x and etc
not simply an alternative they offer, but to let you make a ~ as a t for all i care

[ricleo]

Originally posted by Metrion Cascade
Honestly the backlit keyboard doesn't at all make up for fact that you can't feel the keys. They're just too shallow and too hard to push. I am not going to carry a separate stylus (usually I don't have enough pockets), and the problem with the voice memo button not being reassignable is the fact that I never use the voice memo. What video recorder are you using that allows storage to the CF? Mine doesn't.

What new drivers from Sony are these for the BT MS? I can't find any... I didn't realize Sony believed in the practice of customer support.

(Be careful with your response...it's that time of the month...grrr...Metrion smash!!!)

Opps...that time of the month?? :rolleyes:

here's the one I use. http://usagiya.g-com.ne.jp/mini/nx80vpatchEN.htm

BT i need to search more. I'll post another reply soon. :D

[davy19]

i dont get why grafittii 2 is so bad btw?

i hated grafiti 1, could never figure it out, grafiiti 2 i pick it up real easy

[ricleo]

Originally posted by ssulux
yes, works fine now with my nx80.
actually, the ms bt is already discontinued by now.
the price should be a good bargain.
ha ha ha ... :-)
Originally posted by pdagal
I got the Sony BT Mem Stick with Euro drivers from Expansys for $90 (used to be like $150). I used the drivers on the Sony Asia site (for US English) and it works great!

came from this thread...actually there was another thread but i can't really find it now...
http://www.cliesource.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=21596&highlight=bluetooth+NX80

[jebrito]

hey ricleo i cant find the tips and tricks thread you mentioned about turning the capture light on, is in the tips and tricks forum?

[ricleo]

here's the thread http://www.cliesource.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=20169&perpage=20&highlight=NX80%20tips&pagenumber=2
Originally posted by ricleo
Here's a tip to use the nx80 as a flash/torchlight in closed mode without opening the clamshell in :)

Step 1 - Power up the clie iusing the capture button.
Step 2 - Scroll down the jog dial 4 times.
Step 3 - click on the jog dial. Ta dah! flash light in the dark for use in cinemas!

Heez...this is just for fun... The nx in tablet mode with screen on full brightness may make a more convenient torch.

[JwY]

jebrito
i copied and pasted what ricleo wrote

Here's a tip to use the nx80 as a flash/torchlight in closed mode without opening the clamshell in

Step 1 - Power up the clie iusing the capture button.
Step 2 - Scroll down the jog dial 4 times.
Step 3 - click on the jog dial. Ta dah! flash light in the dark for use in cinemas!

Heez...this is just for fun... The nx in tablet mode with screen on full brightness may make a more convenient torch.

it was on the middle of the second page if u were wondering

[JwY]

doh!!!!!

we replied at practically the same time
lol

[ricleo]

:D

[jebrito]

thanks to both of you!

[Metrion Cascade]

Okay...when I go into Netfront and try to log in (my ISP is AOL) with my AOL account, the bluetooth does work, but after about 20 seconds I get an error message saying "Authentication error: 0x1233." Does anyone using BT have AOL?

And when I try to use Dialer, I get a message saying, "Unable to Dial. Please install Mobile Connectivity Software as described in your documentation."

[ricleo]

I'm sorry, but I live in Singapore with no AOL, so can't help you there...maybe you can send a PM to ssulux or pdagal and ask them?

[Jeffry]

I think the author is just being TOO picky...

You know that it's hard to integrate what the NX80v has to offer in a smaller package.

[Metrion Cascade]

I'm not interested in a smaller package. I'm just interested in making the package I already have work.

[uwilloz2me]

So far after doing my own research, I think that the NX is the Best out there!!!!

[ricleo]

Think this may help you Metrion Cascade
 :) http://www.cliesource.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=19827
Originally posted by kp*
I just configured my NX80 and T68i via BT last night. It took a while and a lot of forum and Google searches, and some trial and error, but I got it.

First of all I thought I had all the drivers, but I had to download some OS5 BT phone drivers from Palm's website (I found it in the knowledge base) -- these are totally separate from the Sony MS drivers needed for the stick to work in OS5. I had already linked my devices before downloading this stuff, the only problem was that when the Clie would try to dial the phone, the phone would say "lost bluetooth connection" or the Clie would give some kind of serial error. I guess I needed the additional palm phone drivers (you have to install a bunch of files, and then the driver for your particular model). I don't have a "phone" option in my connections menu either, which I thought was a bad thing, but I use "modem" and it still works.

I have AT&T, and these are my settings, in Connections I have:

Name: T68i (user definable)
Connect to: Modem
Via: Bluetooth (if you don't have this option, you're missing drivers)
Device: KPT68i (the name of my phone)
Dialing: Touch Tone
Volume: Low

In details...
Speed: 115,200
Flow ctl: automatic
Init String: ATZ

Then in Network:

Service: Windows RAS
User name: blank
Password: blank (says prompt)
Connection: T68i (the name I gave my connection above)
Phone: *99***1#

In details...
Connection type: PPP
Idle Timeout: Never
Query DNS: checked
IP Address Automatic checked

This uses the T68i's default settings, so you don't have to change anything on the phone. I'm not sure how to configure it for other services.

I hope this helps. I was going crazy for a while. I thought I'd have to use infrared forever. But the hardware is definitely capable of it. Good luck!

Originally posted by kp*

OK, looking through my browser history, I found it. I had been doing so many searches before I stumbled on the link, I didn't even notice it was on Palm's British site, which might be part of why you couldn't find it. This is the link:
http://www-5.palm.com/uk/support/tt_plu.html
It's intended for the Tungsten, called Phone Link Update. As I said, there's a whole bunch of .prc and .pdb files to install, and then you pick one of the drivers (and it is for the T68i, not the old T68). Hope this solves your problem.

[jebrito]

thanks to both of you

[Metrion Cascade]

Before I installed the Palm drivers, Netfront would dial up AOL and give me an "Authentication Error 0x1233." After I installed them, Netfront refused to even dial, instead giving me a serial error. And the Bluetooth tab in Preferences stopped working. Does having one driver interfere with the others or something?

[ricleo]

Give kp* a message? This is all I can do for ya... he's the one with the personal experience. If you use a T68i too, the connection should be able to work for sure since kp* had managed to do so. If you use another handphone, you'l need the palm phone driver for your particular handphone?

[Metrion Cascade]

I'll look for kp*, thanks. Question. Your avatar shows what looks like an NX80V with a glowing blue light. What's the light? Is this machine on the market?

[ricleo]

My avatar shows a European NX73. The euro version is silver and has built in bluetooth.

[Metrion Cascade]

Hmmm...can I order one anywhere? What native Bluetooth apps does it come with? What about the European NX80V?

[ricleo]

I use a NX80v...so i can't tell u abt the apps of the euro 73. There's no Euro NX80. Only the NX73 was released for the European mkt.

[Defiant79]

Hi there!
Long time reader, first time poster. Gained a lot knowledge from these boards, so it's time for me to finally contribute. I hope :D

Regarding the BT MS: Have you checked the European (or the Japanese) support sites? After all, in these areas the BT MS has been released. The drivers for OS5 are in there.

Here is the link to the European Clié updates. (http://www.clie-link.com/UK/updates.asp?submenu=updates.asp&mainmenu=compatibility.asp) Then select NX70V.

For the (Sony generic) GSM phone drivers select TG50, NZ90 or NX73V.

Hope that it will help.

[mvfrancisco]

just wondering how you're connecting to AOL... are you using a regular AOL dialup number in the network prefs or are you using the AOL Palm OS app to connect? I'm on the BYOS plan so I can't try it out myself, but I thought that in order to connect to an AOL dial-up number you have to do it through their app.

[ragermac]

*Hugs NX70*

I am so glad I didnt fall for the "I gotta have the lastest gadget now" syndrome. I compared the NX70 to the NX80 and there is not enough extras to cause me to jump to the NX80, and please dont give me some lame list of improvements. Bottom line, it is a still at its heart and clie running OS 5, I can do the same thing with my NX70 that you can do with your NX80.

I love the slim style of my NX70, its feel nice in my pocket and my CFdriver works great. What more do I need? I will wait until the next OS6 clie comes out with REAL improvements.

Now, go ahead and defend your NX80 purchase by flaming me.

[Metrion Cascade]

Actually, your restraint was well-founded. The NX80V is nice, but not worth the upgrade from an NX70V. I should have listened to my gut when it told me that a PDA either has Bluetooth integrated, or not at all.

[Metrion Cascade]

And still, not one of the downloads I've found has allowed Dialer to work. Time for a Tungsten...

[Metrion Cascade]

Defiant, where are you going to buy your European NX73V? If I ever get another Clie, that'll be it. If you can find a site that'll ship it to the US, let me know.

[stronggeek]

Originally posted by ragermac
*Hugs NX70* All come on...and to my NX80 too! :)


I can do the same thing with my NX70 that you can do with your NX80.

No you can't silly!  :)

If you hard reset, you better have the drivers ready to install again if you want use ms pro,... netfront, ...and compact flash. NX80 users have no need to be concerned. We get to play right away.

I love the slim style of my NX70, its feel nice in my pocket and my CFdriver works great. My pants are loose. No noticable difference to me.

What more do I need? I will wait until the next OS6 clie comes out with REAL improvements. These are real improvements to me and there countless others.

Feels good to take pictures worth developing and always having to run to my digtal to take a picture worth devloping

Feels good to be able to see the keyboard in the dark of night. I now actually use the keyboard.

Feels good to have much longer battery life and a much brighter screen to boot!

Feels good to be able to put away the cf hump when not using the cf slot making my unit slimmer if I need to(something that would seem important to you, because you don't have that choice with your nx70)

And yes, it feels great to have an updated version of what many, myself include consider to be the one of the best form factors in a palmtop package ever offered (new models included)! 

Now, go ahead and defend your NX80 purchase by flaming me. Not flaming, nor defending or justifying. Just explaining. So you stop your hatin. :)

[Defiant79]

Metrion, I'm from Holland, so I'm looking most of all at Dutch and German (web)shops. As far as I know, none of them ship to the US. If I find one, I do let you know.
For the moment it looks like I'm going to buy the NX73V in Germany. Saves me about 50-100 euro. The prices are high here (in Holland), due to 19% VAT!
Earlier today I was at Sony City, this is the HQ for Sony NL, and I asked about the NX73V: it is scheduled for release in Holland around half augustus at ERP of 699 euro! That's $624. In Germany at a big electronics store it should be between 599 and 649 euro. And it has already been released in Germany.
I think it's better for you to wait for the UX or OS6, instead of buying one in Europe.

[kp*]

Hi Guys,
Thanks for digging up my previous posts, those are the ones I always have to search for when somebody has BT trouble.

Metrion Cascade, I know we tried to troubleshoot your problem in another thread and it didn't seem to be working. I don't use AOL, in fact AT&T doesn't let you use dial-up, so unfortunately I don't know about those settings.
Maybe see if you can connect through the phone's regular GPRS settings first, to make sure the phone and Clie can talk to each other. I think in the other thread you said you had T-Mobile. I'm not sure if the settings would need to be different from mine, but the only one that I expect might not work the same is "Phone: *99***1#." That might just be a command built into the phone to dial its primary connection, though. If you set up everything exactly as I have it and it doesn't work, then there must be a file that's missing or something, because it is capable of working. Hope this helps. Maybe a T-Mobile user can confirm that the phone settings are the same.

[ATOKserver]

So far I'm very satisfied and happy with my NX80 =) In fact the only thing I have trouble with on it is that the palm os is limited as of now, there's a lot of potential but it's being fairly untapped. BTW, is there any programs in which one can change the color of the os, so instead of blue white and black I could customize it? Thanks in advance.

[UZI4U182]

I agree with the person that said the NX80v doesn't have enough improvements to make them upgrade. Now that I know that the days of Original Graffiti are gone, this very well may be the last Palm Powered device I own, if Graffiti 2 is really as bad as I hear. I'm very staisfied and happy with my NX70v.

[bugbeak]

I don't know...if the 80v comes with a CF slot that actually works and I don't have to install 3rd party stuff, topped with a better camera and the four buttons on the front panel, STILL at the cost of the NX70v before the 80v came out (599.99), i'd get it myself...not to mention if you are on a service plan that'll let you get a PDA the same model or more expensive than what you bought when it dies out.

[bugbeak]

well, i take what i said about the CF slot back -- the 3rd party stuff does work, but it wasn't fully compatible with the sony stuff (like audioplayer)

[danny_w]

I have not personally seen an NX80, but I own an NX60 (which I think should have the same screen ans the NX70) and I can't understand why anybody would want anything brighter than that one. I most always keep the brightness on minimum, and never go above about 30% at the most. I only wish it could go darker for reading in bed at night (it's just too dang bright even at minimum). And I get about 6 hours or better on battery life, which is almost 3 times what my h1910 will do, so I have no complaints there either.

[JoshW]

Originally posted by danny_w
I have not personally seen an NX80, but I own an NX60 (which I think should have the same screen ans the NX70) and I can't understand why anybody would want anything brighter than that one. I most always keep the brightness on minimum, and never go above about 30% at the most.

Actually, the NX80v and NX73v aren't brighter then the NX70, the colors are more vibrant.

I happen to really like my NX80, which I purchased about a week ago.

Stylus doesn't bother me all that much (although I wouldn't complain about a fatter stylus), my only real complaint is that the NX80 is quieter then my T665, which I migrated from.

I guess the point is, if you already have an NX60 or NX70, the impovements (for most people) aren't worth the cost of upgrading.

However, if, like me, you didn't have an earlier clam shell Clie, and decided to upgrade, the NX80 and NX73 give you more features for the same money as the earlier models.

Backlight keyboard and foldaway card slot, along with Decuma, are major benefits, as well as the longer battery life.

[minhaferzz]

Another great thing I love about my NX80 is the larger heap memory. This allows me to surf the web without the problems I had with my NX70... this alone would justify me upgrading, since I do a lot of wifi.

[danny_w]

JoshW,
Thanks for clearing up the screen issue (more vibrant, not brighter). I love my NX60, which I recently got (barely) used for under $200 :D. This make an NX73 or NX80 a VERY expensive upgrade, and certainly NOT the same price for me!

[stronggeek]

Originally posted by minhaferzz
Another great thing I love about my NX80 is the larger heap memory. This allows me to surf the web without the problems I had with my NX70... this alone would justify me upgrading, since I do a lot of wifi.

Then you must love the long battery life as well!

[stronggeek]

Originally posted by JoshW


Actually, the NX80v and NX73v aren't brighter then the NX70, the colors are more vibrant.

I happen to really like my NX80, which I purchased about a week ago.

Stylus doesn't bother me all that much (although I wouldn't complain about a fatter stylus), my only real complaint is that the NX80 is quieter then my T665, which I migrated from.

I guess the point is, if you already have an NX60 or NX70, the impovements (for most people) aren't worth the cost of upgrading.

However, if, like me, you didn't have an earlier clam shell Clie, and decided to upgrade, the NX80 and NX73 give you more features for the same money as the earlier models.

Backlight keyboard and foldaway card slot, along with Decuma, are major benefits, as well as the longer battery life.

Strange, mine is both much brighter and more vibrant and I yes, I do know the difference.

I also realize brightness may vary unit to unit!

Otherwise agree about the major benefits.

Not runninig out of juice alone warrants a upgrade to me! :)

[stronggeek]

Originally posted by ATOKserver
So far I'm very satisfied and happy with my NX80 =) In fact the only thing I have trouble with on it is that the palm os is limited as of now, there's a lot of potential but it's being fairly untapped. BTW, is there any programs in which one can change the color of the os, so instead of blue white and black I could customize it? Thanks in advance.

 

There are a few to choose from -some are free others are not, but otherwise I use a great freeware app called Khroma.

http://www.freewarepalm.com/utilities/khroma.shtml

[sebring]

Colorize is great for customizing colors.

http://www.palmgear.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=software.showsoftware&sid=871C4400-1F95-44E6-987DBBE6FAF66041&prodID=46384

[ricleo]

Originally posted by stronggeek


Strange, mine is both much brighter and more vibrant and I yes, I do know the difference.

I also realize brightness may vary unit to unit!

Otherwise agree about the major benefits.

Not runninig out of juice alone warrants a upgrade to me! :)

Yup, the NX80 on 50% is brighter than my NX70 at 100% brightness... colours are more vibrant and the screen looks much much better under sunlight compared to the NX70 as well :D The rest I agree.

[ATOKserver]

Thank you so much for the colorize program! It's exactly what I was looking for :)

[ricleo]

one less reason to regret the NX80... I managed to get Graffiti 1 to work on my NX80! check this thread out!
http://www.cliesource.com/forums/sh...2247#post292247