1src Forums - Is it possible to upgrade to Decuma for a NX70V?

Alistar

07-30-2003, 12:06 PM

Technically it does run on an NX70.
You apparently missed the great Decuma smuggling run when the new NX's were first released. So for now you will probably have to either upgrade, get it from a friend or wait for them to sell it.

LeggNet

07-30-2003, 02:05 PM

*** warez link removed ***

Cheers, Rich

mshaf

07-30-2003, 02:38 PM

you rock leggnet!

Twinkle

07-30-2003, 02:59 PM

Thanx a Million LeggNet
I have been looking for it :)
I missed all the fun last time...

Can't wait to give it a try...

Thanx again,

mshaf

07-30-2003, 03:23 PM

Works great if you follow directions posted earlier. I really like it!!! Didn't even need to reset or anything!

Twinkle

07-30-2003, 04:06 PM

Works fine with me ...

But not quit sure if I should quite Graffiti yet?

I am too slow with it ...

rob_squared

07-30-2003, 05:17 PM

I find it amazing that a company that does not sell its software to English users, is angry when those users try to get it.

Well, since it won't be linked to on this site ever, go to your local electronics store with a memory stick, and the program Filez and grab it yourself.

dannn

07-30-2003, 05:23 PM

Originally posted by rob_squared
I find it amazing that a company that does not sell its software to English users, is angry when those users try to get it.

Well, since it won't be linked to on this site ever, go to your local electronics store with a memory stick, and the program Filez and grab it yourself.

seriosuly!! this makes no sense!!

1. they aren't selling this program
2. i highly doubt people will buy a new clie just to use decuma "legally"

so why is sony preventing people from obtaining it? just cuz they can?

uwilloz2me

07-30-2003, 05:38 PM

Its only offer in the new clies. Good luck!!

Unregistered

07-30-2003, 05:42 PM

The moderators asked nicely that people stop posting the warez links. Obviously some people do not care about them or the site.

LeggNet

07-30-2003, 05:46 PM

Originally posted by LeggNet
*** warez link removed ***

Cheers, Rich

My server is NOT a warez site!

Cheers, Rich

olo

07-30-2003, 05:57 PM

Originally posted by Unregistered
The moderators asked nicely that people stop posting the warez links. Obviously some people do not care about them or the site.

I do not understand the big "warez" fuss:rolleyes:

Firstly it was available for everyone and if DECUMA was a smart company they would sell it, like they sell the japanese version...

Secondly I am surprised how easily the moderaters were "convinced" by Sony and Decuma "kindly asking" to remove all referring links and on the other hand if there is a problem with a piece of original software installed on a Clie, or a hardware problem (NR memory stick issue :p ) support was non existing, only after thousends of complains Sony was willing to move their b....

I think a gentlemen agreement would have been to make Decuma available for money, we all would not look for warez and they could make a profit... This is how to make business and not forcing people into illegal actions...

cheers Nicolas

LeggNet

07-30-2003, 06:17 PM

Originally posted by olo

I do not understand the big "warez" fuss:rolleyes:

Firstly it was available for everyone and if DECUMA was a smart company they would sell it, like they sell the japanese version...

Secondly I am surprised how easily the moderaters were "convinced" by Sony and Decuma "kindly asking" to remove all referring links and on the other hand if there is a problem with a piece of original software installed on a Clie, or a hardware problem (NR memory stick issue :p ) support was non existing, only after thousends of complains Sony was willing to move their b....

I think a gentlemen agreement would have been to make Decuma available for money, we all would not look for warez and they could make a profit... This is how to make business and not forcing people into illegal actions...

cheers Nicolas
What he said!! :)

Rich

dannn

07-30-2003, 06:24 PM

SERIOUSLY how is distributing decuma hurting sony and the makers?!!!!

if it isn't available for sale how can they be losing money.

i can understand how the japense version shoulnd't be distributed because its being sold. but how is distributing the english version hurting them(or their profits)?

but wat leggnet is doing is legit to me. profit is all these companies care about but this has noting to do with it.

if youre thinking 'just go buy the NX73/80 for decuma' i highly doubt someone will buy it just for that.

-dannn

mshaf

07-30-2003, 10:46 PM

I think a response from the moderators is warranted on this topic!!!!! Quit hiding!

Unregistered

07-30-2003, 10:54 PM

it is not hurting sony per se. sony had to pay a licsening fee to decuma. they are not 'happy' that now others can get it for free. you can read more in japanses press. would palm be 'happy' if everyone could distribute webpro? (and webpro is not sold).

ricleo

07-30-2003, 10:55 PM

Well...in the case of the "moderators giving in too easily to Sony and Decuma request", I feel that its better to be safe than sorry.... do you want to see ClieSource shut down due to litigation
or a law suit? Sony is a big corporation, and Decuma owns the software + sony owns the rights to distribute the program. Cliesource will never stand a chance if a lawsuit ensues.....

Reggie

07-30-2003, 11:08 PM

Decuma has the right to ask not to distribute hacked versions of their product. Distributing it without their consent would be illegal, as with any app nowadays.

I think the main reason is Decuma intends to market the English version anyway. If everyone has a copy of it already, who would buy them? That's when they will lose money.

As for my personal opinion, Decuma is the best text input method to date and everyone should have a copy of it (a legal one). Let's see what Decuma's official word on this before everyone gets upset on why Decuma hasn't released a version for the other Clie models.

I think Joel is in direct contact with Decuma and can shed more light into this.

rob_squared

07-30-2003, 11:39 PM

I think we understand the ethics and legality of it, we're just saying that the makers of Decuma are stupid for doing business in this manner (this only applies if they never sell the English version).

n2ifp

07-30-2003, 11:39 PM

There was a long thread about this in the General Forum maybe?

If anyone reads Sony's web site or the EULA that came with the Clie, would know that it is illegal. It went on long enough until complaints were filed privately by the developer to some users and then Sony got into the act from what I could tell. This doesn't mean that I disagree in how some feel, I am only relating what I know, even if it isn't much :D!

Unregistered

07-31-2003, 01:05 AM

**** Decuma and Sony. If they want to force people to buy a while new piece of hardware just for a small piece of software, then they deserve to lose money to hacked software releases.

People want it, they don't want to distribute it yet.
Long live file sharing!

Unregistered

07-31-2003, 01:10 AM

i'm surprized at the response. there are many examples of software that is only available in a product, on not on the retail market. the palm vpn client for os 5 is one. same goes for webpro. why the big fuss over this? sony has paid decuma in order to load it on their machines. so its not sold in the retail market, why any surprize that they would not want you to freely distribute it. and besides that, it clearly violates the eula. and even it you didn't plan on selling something in the retail market, did anyone think it was going to be freeware?

LeggNet

07-31-2003, 01:14 AM

Taking the time to register would clearly improve your chances of being taken seriously....

Rich

Unregistered

07-31-2003, 01:17 AM

i agree with you actually. i think it is unfortunate though, because there are plenty of registered posts that are less than intelligent. who is to say what should and should not be taken seriously. and how about product releases (both true and not true), aren't the true releases and leaks usually from unregistered? by the way, i also downloaded (from your site) a copy of decuma. i am not saying that i think it is wrong - i am saying that i understand why decuma and sony would not want it freely distributed.

Unregistered

07-31-2003, 01:26 AM

Yes, this is kind of like saying - you could have the exact same post, but it would taken serioiusly if it was registered vs non registered. Seems to me this is not the logical. Kind of like take advise if it is from someone with 200 posts rather than 2. Seems to me the more likely response would that users would more typically respond (to and more to include help requests) to fellow registered users than non.

YTTAN

07-31-2003, 01:36 AM

aithir

07-31-2003, 02:36 AM

Sure and without doubt Decuma is a very interesting piece of software in a field (text input) that nothing revolutionary has been released since Graffiti1. So it is expected that "hungry" for technology users would attempt to obtain a copy, legaly at first, and when they found out that this was impossible without paying some hundred bucks to buy a new NX, semilegally, or semiillegally if you prefer. Software companies have gain so many rights (and no obligations if you want my opinion) that Cliesource stuff really had no other way of doing things.

M.I.guy

08-01-2003, 11:48 AM

Please forgive my ignorance, but what is Decuma?

Unregistered

08-01-2003, 11:52 AM

"Taking the time to register would clearly improve your chances of being taken seriously....

Rich"

Stop hosting pirated software and your chances of being taken seriously might be improved.

SprSaiyan8

08-01-2003, 02:17 PM

skorpiankh

08-01-2003, 03:15 PM

I did hear a rumor the Decuma was planning a comercial release but the market would be very limited in that the majority of Palm OS devices do not use Virtual Graffiti. So they stood to make more money by licensing it to Sony for thier sole distributorship. Once agin Sony scr3wes the consumer.

JoshW

08-02-2003, 12:13 PM

Originally posted by skorpiankh
I did hear a rumor the Decuma was planning a comercial release but the market would be very limited in that the majority of Palm OS devices do not use Virtual Graffiti. So they stood to make more money by licensing it to Sony for thier sole distributorship. Once agin Sony scr3wes the consumer.

Once again Sony SCR3WES the consumer?

How? By including it on their devices? Get a friggin Palm, who I guess DOESN'T SCR3W the consumer by not including Decuma?

Strange logic!

Sony spends the $$$ to include this software on their latest devices, to the benefit of purchasers of the Clie, and they're the bad guys?????

Pen-Pen

08-02-2003, 12:52 PM

No, it's because Sony would not want that Decuma for other devices than lasts ones to be released.

n2ifp

08-02-2003, 01:18 PM

Originally posted by M.I.guy
Please forgive my ignorance, but what is Decuma?

Hi!

This link may help explain it ;)

http://www.decuma.com/pages/products/latin_recognition.html

mathwhiz99atucb

08-02-2003, 11:12 PM

I have Decuma installed on my NX60 (same hardware except for the camera) and it works flawlessly. I like it much better than the Graffitti, but occasionally (actually, it's more like frequently) I find myself up to my old Graffitti ways :D (that's what you get for being a Palm OS user for the last 4-1/2 years).

Take a look at some of these threads for tips on getting it to work:

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http://www.cliesource.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=250536
http://www.cliesource.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=19386
[/list=1]

Hope that gives you some insight.
~Nick~

Twinkle

08-03-2003, 07:29 PM

The only thing I could say that I hate about Decuma is having to press that arrow (ENTER) when we are done writing to have the word appear on the screen!!!!

mathwhiz99atucb

08-03-2003, 08:25 PM

Originally posted by Twinkle
The only thing I could say that I hate about Decuma is having to press that arrow (ENTER) when we are done writing to have the word appear on the screen!!!!

Actually, I discovered a great feature of Decuma that eliminates the need for tapping the green arrow:

When you are using Decuma, do not start writing all the way on the left side of the screen. Instead, start a little further to the right, say 1/4 of the way over. Then when you are done writing that "line" of information, just start writing to the left of where you begun. Decuma will automatically enter the text from your previous input.

Hope that helps,
~Nick~