View Full Version : Hires+ screen plain Clie - Poll
Atomic Chicken
07-26-2003, 05:52 PM
OK folks,
Here's a quick poll - based on the large number of recent posts from people who want a TG-50 type palm (no camera, clamshell, etc.) but with a Hires+ screen.
If Sony made a Clie with Hires+ screen, no clamshell or keyboard, no camera, built in bluetooth and/or Wifi, and "virtual" graffiti area, would you buy one?
OK everyone who keeps requesting this type of Clie - put your money where your mouth is! (I am personally voting "NO", I'm VERY happy with my NX80!)
Best wishes,
Bawko
Alistar
07-26-2003, 06:22 PM
Nope, I like my nx70
Brokken
07-26-2003, 06:26 PM
Definitely! It'd be the ideal PDA for me. I don't need or want a keyboard or camera. Bluetooth is great. WiFi I could take it or leave it (until such time as 802.11x networks are everywhere).
I'd buy it!
Brokken
07-26-2003, 06:27 PM
Another thing to note is that such a PDA would almost invaribly be smaller than an equivalent NX-type device.
n2ifp
07-26-2003, 06:40 PM
I want my UX50!
s_n_m
07-26-2003, 07:55 PM
Nope, I need a hard keyboard regardless of screen size. That means TG50 or NX80 form.
ccelada
07-26-2003, 08:42 PM
Definetely!... would use the MS camera module!... I'd like to have some media memory, "a la UX" so I'd be able to store pictures taken with the MS camera!! :)
sigelang
07-26-2003, 10:21 PM
DON'T FORGET DECUMA, ATRAC/MP3 AND MPEG PLAYER
ksjenkins
07-26-2003, 11:17 PM
UX first............
Many have been dreaming of Sony doing this.
s360clie
07-26-2003, 11:24 PM
I still love my Keyboard............ Keyboard is more important than a VG, since I oftens use thumbs to operate my CLIE.......... using VG w/o Keyboard will make a lot of scratch to the screen.......
OcellNuri
07-26-2003, 11:42 PM
I voted yes, but given the following...
It has built in Bluetooth AND WiFi. WiFi will be very important to me personally for the next four or five years. Bluetooth will become more important as more of my devices become bluetooth (computer, printer, GPS, cell phone, car).
This device is running PalmOS 6.0, and can switch between portrait and landscape mode. I want the hotsync connector behind a spring loading cover on the side of the unit. This is so I can use my keyboard in landscape mode, perfect for word processing.
It would also rock if they wrote Decuma to go across the whole width of the landscape screen. But now I'm just nit-pickin.
ozgurbulbul
07-27-2003, 12:04 AM
I do not need the camera or the keyboard, but 320*480, bluetooth and wifi are important for me (now using the NX60 with bluetooth+wifi cards as well as CF and MS memory cards)..
Seraphiel
07-27-2003, 01:59 AM
my dream pda!
noktoto
07-27-2003, 03:43 AM
YES!!!
+ 64mb ram
jthompson
07-27-2003, 08:52 AM
64 MB RAM and I'd buy one today. That's all I want in a handheld, right there.
sigelang
07-27-2003, 12:45 PM
if my NX80V has no camera and no keyboard (No fancy stuff and less or no moving parts - reliable)
That will be close to my dream PDA.
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Talula
07-27-2003, 06:15 PM
Yes yes yes, my dream! Hi res+. NO camera, NO keyboard, and I could really give a darn about bluetooth or Wifi. The only features that are important to me now are Mp3, voice recorder, and a vibrating alarm. But I'd give all of them up too! I think I'm getting desperate.
Keep it simple stupid! ;)
ScottLP
07-27-2003, 06:21 PM
Yes, I started one of the threads (all I need is a t665 with VG with faster processor).
Atomic Chicken
07-27-2003, 06:27 PM
Sony,
Sony... Sony... Sony.....
ARE YOU LISTENING????????
We all KNOW that Sony employees occasionally browse this message board, so there is NO LONGER ANY EXCUSE to keep ignoring what we, YOUR CUSTOMERS, want.
At the time of this post, over 75% of polled Clie users want a SIMPLE, RELIABLE, Hires+ Clie device with no clamshell, keyboard, camera, or other fancy frills. Give us audio functions, make it virtual graffiti, and integrate bluetooth and/or Wifi and you will have a WINNER.
Sony.... Sony.... Sony.....
Isn't it time to turn over a new leaf and actually GIVE YOUR CUSTOMERS WHAT THEY ASK FOR????????
Keep the nice upper-end Clie devices like the NX series and UX series, people like myself will continue to buy them, but DON'T abandon the lower-end market..... that is where most of your customers seem to be (at least according to this poll!)
Sony.... Sony... Sony.....
Please - WAKE UP and GIVE US WHAT WE WANT.
Respectfully,
Bawko
*YellowRose*
07-27-2003, 06:50 PM
Originally posted by Talula
Hi res+. NO camera, NO keyboard, and I could really give a darn about bluetooth or Wifi. The only features that are important to me now are Mp3, voice recorder, and a vibrating alarm. But I'd give all of them up too!
Keep it simple stupid! ;) A agree 100%!! C'mon SONY or Palm . . . whichever one is first is gonna get my business. :D
iJITSU
07-27-2003, 07:14 PM
My hope is that the next clie announced with be a slim one with vg/320x480. Or if the Palm T3 is real, that would work as well.
jetdriver
07-27-2003, 07:26 PM
Yeah - It's called a Palm T3
Omnitron
07-27-2003, 07:35 PM
No -- I need more than just that. Hires + 32mb/64mb memory + decent battery life + good memory cards first, ability to attach a full keyboard when needed. IF you give me anything else, like wi-fi or a camera, it is a bonus. But just a HIRES screen - no no no == not good enough.
skorpiankh
07-27-2003, 08:16 PM
Never I love my clamshell NX80
skorpiankh
07-27-2003, 08:16 PM
Originally posted by Omnitron
No -- I need more than just that. Hires + 32mb/64mb memory + decent battery life + good memory cards first, ability to attach a full keyboard when needed. IF you give me anything else, like wi-fi or a camera, it is a bonus. But just a HIRES screen - no no no == not good enough.
Sounds just like my NX80:cool:
somas1
07-27-2003, 08:19 PM
Everyone keeps complaining about sony not making a 320x480 res T series clie. Doesn't anyone think it odd that none of the biggest pda makers (Palm, Hp, Dell, Toshiba and Sony) have made this coveted pda? The fact that people whine about wanting a high res+ t series pda does not mean that the company that creates this pda will make any money off of it because it will probably have the crappiest battery life of any model on the market. How about expanding the poll and asking people if they would accept a high res+ t series pda that had a 2 hour battery life?
Atomic Chicken
07-27-2003, 08:20 PM
skorpiankh,
Quote: "Sounds just like my NX80"
That is EXACTLY what I was thinking :D
Best regards,
Bawko
nope. i'm hooked on my keyboard, though fitaly virtual is an awesome alternative!
AndyJapan
07-27-2003, 08:33 PM
Originally posted by Atomic Chicken
Quote: "Sounds just like my NX80"
That is EXACTLY what I was thinking :D
Best regards,
Bawko
Agree!! Make the NX80 slimmer, dump the keyboard & camera. (PicselViewer is also not needed). CF slot could be also dumped if Dual MSPro slot was available. BT and WiFi onboard please. More RAM wouldn`t hurt either. As already said before, KISS.
jklfafa
07-27-2003, 08:45 PM
i really dont mind nx70....i want mp3 wifi hires+
i just wished the nx70 would never wear out from the twisting and i wish the keyboard was more usuable and inergrated wifi should be the standard andd more memory please
jklfafa
07-27-2003, 08:50 PM
the problem with the T3 is it wont be made by sony so they dotn add the software...i like how sony supports their hardware with software like mp3 and remote controls and paint photo stuffand documents to go.... Camera on the other hand many ppl are willing to let go since all devices have cameras and the novelty has worn out. But a 640x320 res camera with movie suppot does come in handy!!!! all the time u never know when its the right moment and who brings a camera with them? we always have our pdas
how bout a nx70v without the bottom part with the keyboard????
just the screen and camera on top? 4 hardware buttoms on the bottom like the nx80v and a hump on the back for cf and wifi? no twist and thinner
TheUltimate
07-27-2003, 09:39 PM
I love my NX70. It will take a pretty major change in the system to get me to upgrade anytime soon.
leung
07-28-2003, 10:54 AM
i dun like the keyboard on tg50
dorr1
07-28-2003, 02:39 PM
This is exactly what I'm waiting for! Pretty close in specs to the new HP 2210. They can do it, why can't Sony? If they don't deliver one soon, I will be forced to the dark side with my next upgrade.
Bionic Antboy
07-28-2003, 02:55 PM
66% of the votes want a non-clamshell HiRes+
Count me in. First one out gets my bucks...
I don't count Garmin, since it's as big as an NX80 - more or less, and I need GPS even less than I need a keyboard. Something the size of a TG50 would be fine with me. :)
BTW, with all the crazy Palm OS form factors available to consumers, from the tiny little TT up to those crazy Dana full keyboard jobbie, why is a HiRes+ T style PDA just about the ONLY combination that NO ONE is making? Hopefully that changes soon, but I'm not holding my breath.
NX70BOY
07-28-2003, 03:39 PM
Originally posted by TheUltimate
I love my NX70. It will take a pretty major change in the system to get me to upgrade anytime soon.
I totally agree. It'll definatley take a major change for me to upgrade......at least for now. I've only had my NX a little over a week. :D And for now I don't want to uprage. I love my NX70V! :D But on the topic, I really wouldn't like a non-clamshell Hi-Res+ clie. I like the clamshell design.
contrary
07-28-2003, 06:52 PM
Originally posted by dorr1
This is exactly what I'm waiting for! Pretty close in specs to the new HP 2210. They can do it, why can't Sony? If they don't deliver one soon, I will be forced to the dark side with my next upgrade.
HP can do it so why can't Sony? The HP 2210 has half the resolution of a true high res+ device and is not as thin as a T series clie to boot
contrary
07-28-2003, 06:53 PM
Originally posted by Bionic Antboy
BTW, with all the crazy Palm OS form factors available to consumers, from the tiny little TT up to those crazy Dana full keyboard jobbie, why is a HiRes+ T style PDA just about the ONLY combination that NO ONE is making?
I wonder why no one is making a HiRes+ T style PDA :rolleyes: :rolleyes: ?
Hannibal
07-28-2003, 09:35 PM
Originally posted by Seraphiel
my dream pda!
Same here. Maintain small size/weight, good battery life and Hires+ screen.
ScottLP
07-28-2003, 11:26 PM
Sorry for the diversion, but I'm curious:
Originally posted by NX70BOY
I love my NX70V! :D But on the topic, I really wouldn't like a non-clamshell Hi-Res+ clie. I like the clamshell design.
OK I am assuming you are male, where do you keep it i.e. would you still like it if you moved around a lot (room to room in the same building) and kept it in your pants pocket (where I keep my T665)??"
Brokken
07-29-2003, 06:09 AM
Unfortunately, I DO carry my NR70 around. I can feel it weighing down my pocket when I walk. It's bulky and I REALLY wish I could split my PDA in two and simply leave the keyboard portion at home. How NZ90 owners lug that massive thing around, I'll never know.
Here's an idea: You have docking stations for laptops... Sony could make a PDA which consists of a Hi-Res+ screen and the basic buttons. As an add-on, you could buy a clamshell keyboard that the basic PDA docks into and gives you added battery power as well as the added protection for those that claim that the clamshell affords them, the keyboard, camera, mircrowave oven, kitchen sink. This way, the basic PDA could be kept small for those who value portability while still allowing the gadgetphille her/his dose of electronic fix.
Bionic Antboy
07-29-2003, 08:04 AM
Originally posted by contrary
HP can do it so why can't Sony? The HP 2210 has half the resolution of a true high res+ device and is not as thin as a T series clie to boot
Well, the reason the HP (and all PPC devices) are lower resolution is that it's part of the PPC spec. The last I heard, PPC was limited to the 320x240 resolution because is was part of Microsoft's rules, not a technical or hardware limitation. If Mircosoft weren't as strict on what hardware manufacturers could do, then there would probably be a number of different form factors out there in the PPC world.
From a technical standpoint, HP et al., CAN put a higher res screen in their devices, but MS doesn't allow it. I don't know why, but I can guess it probably has something to do with "maintaining standards" across all manufacturers.
Just wanted to point that out.
Twinkle
07-29-2003, 09:26 AM
Yes Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeese
I have been graving for such a PDA, Please Sony make one.
My dream PDA :)
Light,Slim,320x480 HiRes+,32 or 64 MB,Wifi and Bluetooth
Definitely its gonna be a winner
I will agree with Brokken, how are the NZ90 owners surviving?!!
dorr1
07-29-2003, 10:34 AM
Originally posted by Brokken
Unfortunately, I DO carry my NR70 around. I can feel it weighing down my pocket when I walk. It's bulky and I REALLY wish I could split my PDA in two and simply leave the keyboard portion at home. How NZ90 owners lug that massive thing around, I'll never know.
Here's an idea: You have docking stations for laptops... Sony could make a PDA which consists of a Hi-Res+ screen and the basic buttons. As an add-on, you could buy a clamshell keyboard that the basic PDA docks into and gives you added battery power as well as the added protection for those that claim that the clamshell affords them, the keyboard, camera, mircrowave oven, kitchen sink. This way, the basic PDA could be kept small for those who value portability while still allowing the gadgetphille her/his dose of electronic fix.
I agree with this completely. Imagine a PDA the size and shape of the NX, without the bottom half! If they made an NX you could split in half like this concept, I would buy one TODAY!!!
sigelang
07-29-2003, 01:39 PM
THAT IS WHAT I HAVE CHECKED WHEN I VISITED CC FOR THE ZIRE 71.
I WAS FRUSTRATED.
sigelang
07-29-2003, 01:43 PM
YOU WOULDN'T WANT A SECOND/BACKUP PDA TO BE AS BULKY AS
YOUR NZ OR NX.
__________________________________________________
HAVING ONE - I CAN APPRECIATE NOW THE IMPORTANCE OF AN ORGANIZER
contrary
07-29-2003, 01:53 PM
Originally posted by Bionic Antboy
Well, the reason the HP (and all PPC devices) are lower resolution is that it's part of the PPC spec. The last I heard, PPC was limited to the 320x240 resolution because is was part of Microsoft's rules, not a technical or hardware limitation. If Mircosoft weren't as strict on what hardware manufacturers could do, then there would probably be a number of different form factors out there in the PPC world.
From a technical standpoint, HP et al., CAN put a higher res screen in their devices, but MS doesn't allow it. I don't know why, but I can guess it probably has something to do with "maintaining standards" across all manufacturers.
Just wanted to point that out.
First, do some searching on pocketpc thoughts and brighthand and you will see that HP and Compaq are not loved by all PPC fans. One complaint relevant to this discussion is the complaint that the two ppcs makers with the greatest marketshare never pushed the envelope with WinCE. PPC 2000 and PPC 2002 did allow greater than 320x240 but HP and Compaq did not think it worth their while to support greater resolutions because people were buying PPCs with substandard screens.
Second, HP and Compaq never created any handhelds so please don't claim their engineers could have created a 320x480 handheld if Microsoft did not bind their hands. HTC created most of the PPCs sold around the world and they installed LCDs made by Sony on most of them. If an Ipaq comes out next year with a 320x480 screen, it is because of the tech made possible by Sony, Samsung, Sharp et al.
Third, HP can't put out a unit with a two hour battery life. They were able to pull that off with PPC 2000, but people will not accept that any longer. Unless you can prove that a 320x480 resolution PDA that is .5 inches or less is produceable, please stop saying that it is.
Bionic Antboy
07-29-2003, 02:14 PM
Originally posted by contrary
First, do some searching on pocketpc thoughts and brighthand and you will see that HP and Compaq are not loved by all PPC fans. One complaint relevant to this discussion is the complaint that the two ppcs makers with the greatest marketshare never pushed the envelope with WinCE. PPC 2000 and PPC 2002 did allow greater than 320x240 but HP and Compaq did not think it worth their while to support greater resolutions because people were buying PPCs with substandard screens.
I never claimed a love of HP or Compaq by anyone. I'm neither defending nor ragging on HP and Compaq. I was pointing out that I had read previously that there WAS a desire for standardization of display by Microsoft in PPC devices. If that's not the case now, then fine.
Second, HP and Compaq never created any handhelds so please don't claim their engineers could have created a 320x480 handheld if Microsoft did not bind their hands. HTC created most of the PPCs sold around the world and they installed LCDs made by Sony on most of them. If an Ipaq comes out next year with a 320x480 screen, it is because of the tech made possible by Sony, Samsung, Sharp et al.
When I use HP et al, look up what et al means. It basically means WHOEVER makes the hardware. Once again, I don't understand how you read some manufacturer bashing in my post ?!?
Third, HP can't put out a unit with a two hour battery life. They were able to pull that off with PPC 2000, but people will not accept that any longer. Unless you can prove that a 320x480 resolution PDA that is .5 inches or less is produceable, please stop saying that it is.
First, I never demanded it be .5 inches or less. Even my T665 is .5 inches thick, and that's a small PDA. I, and many others, are talking about a non-clamshell design. Second, it technically IS possible. If you know how much space a keyboard, camera etc take up in the NX series, as well as the additional thickness of essentially two layers of casing, a manufacturer CAN build a nicely sized 320x480 PDA. It's all a matter of math and engineering. There is NO hardware/power issue with developing a HiRes+ device without a clamshell.
Tell me why it is technically impossible to build said device (lets say with the dimensions of the TG50). I'm sure you will try, even if the facts are wrong, just to be contrary. :p
Atomic Chicken
07-29-2003, 04:04 PM
Bionic Antboy,
I took a look at your TX75 webpage, and I REALLY like the concept. This is exactly what I had in mind when I started this thread. Even though I am quite happy with my NX80 and wouldn't buy a TX75 in it's presently defined form, I could be convinced to buy what you propose IF 2 things were changed:
1 - Put the CF slot at the bottom of the unit, instead of the top, and
2 - Put a 1.3 to 2 Mpixel digital camera at the top, along with an LED illuminator. Recess both, do NOT make it a swivel arrangement, but rather build the camera and light into the end of the unit so that wherever the end of the unit is pointing, that is what the camera "sees".
If Sony took your concept and added my 2 suggestions, I would give up my NX80 in about 3.2 milliseconds. I would gladly pay up to $800 for such a device, especially if they could figure out how to shock proof it and make the screen less fragile.
Best regards,
Bawko
contrary
07-29-2003, 04:34 PM
Originally posted by Atomic Chicken
Bionic Antboy,
I took a look at your TX75 webpage, and I REALLY like the concept. This is exactly what I had in mind when I started this thread. Even though I am quite happy with my NX80 and wouldn't buy a TX75 in it's presently defined form, I could be convinced to buy what you propose IF 2 things were changed:
1 - Put the CF slot at the bottom of the unit, instead of the top, and
2 - Put a 1.3 to 2 Mpixel digital camera at the top, along with an LED illuminator. Recess both, do NOT make it a swivel arrangement, but rather build the camera and light into the end of the unit so that wherever the end of the unit is pointing, that is what the camera "sees".
If Sony took your concept and added my 2 suggestions, I would give up my NX80 in about 3.2 milliseconds. I would gladly pay up to $800 for such a device, especially if they could figure out how to shock proof it and make the screen less fragile.
Best regards,
Bawko
Yeah add a laser gun, a replicator and have it run on water and I will give you $1,000,000,000,000 for it
Brokken
07-29-2003, 04:52 PM
I think the TX75 concept is a pretty nice base to work off. I don't know if the little silver ball towards the bottom of the PDA is supposed to be a little trackball. If it is, I think the concept is brilliant! It would allow users to move around the screen without having to use their stylus and gamers could have a field day with it. There are a couple of things I would add. For example: I would add buttons to the side of the unit maybe two on each side of the clie. These buttons could be hardware mapped to any application and could be used for quick launching apps, or just moving up and down like the current function of the jog shuttle.
Overall, nice clean design. I'd go for it!
mvfrancisco
07-29-2003, 04:53 PM
i voted "no"... i thought i wanted it before, but now above and beyond faster data-entry, i'm finding more and more convenient uses for the keyboard on the TG-50. (more hard buttons = less navigation required)
Bionic Antboy
07-29-2003, 04:59 PM
I'd probably make some changes to the TX as well, since I designed it back at the beginning of the year. :)
I'd probably make a collapsible CF slot like on the new NX models. The camera isn't a big issue with me, but I guess they could do a 1.3 MP camera. I'm not up on if a 2 MP CMOS based camera is technically feasible, but it would be interesting :)
Bionic Antboy
07-29-2003, 05:07 PM
Originally posted by Brokken
I think the TX75 concept is a pretty nice base to work off. I don't know if the little silver ball towards the bottom of the PDA is supposed to be a little trackball. If it is, I think the concept is brilliant! It would allow users to move around the screen without having to use their stylus and gamers could have a field day with it. There are a couple of things I would add. For example: I would add buttons to the side of the unit maybe two on each side of the clie. These buttons could be hardware mapped to any application and could be used for quick launching apps, or just moving up and down like the current function of the jog shuttle.
Overall, nice clean design. I'd go for it!
Thanks. :)
The little ball thingy is actually an eight way D pad, with clicking action, before Palm announced the 4 way ;) . There is a jog dial, and a record button on it as well. When I originally designed it, I was thinking of extra buttons, but on a standard PDA, I thought the edges would probably become too cluttered. Of course, with an 8 way D pad, a lot of different options could be programmed to different motions :)
Atomic Chicken
07-29-2003, 05:13 PM
contrary,
Hmmmm.....
I would probably pay even MORE that what you offered for what you ask, with a built in replicator you could "replicate" all the money for the unit cost (whatever it costs!) plus more!!!!!
At least the 2 suggestions I made are technically feasible and wouldn't detract from the unit's overall size/shape or increase cost much. What's the point in having the camera on a swivel anyway? Pointing forward would be just as useful, more compact, and would have no moving parts!
Best regards,
Bawko
somas1
07-29-2003, 05:24 PM
Originally posted by Bionic Antboy
<snip>
First, I never demanded it be .5 inches or less. Even my T665 is .5 inches thick, and that's a small PDA. I, and many others, are talking about a non-clamshell design. Second, it technically IS possible. If you know how much space a keyboard, camera etc take up in the NX series, as well as the additional thickness of essentially two layers of casing, a manufacturer CAN build a nicely sized 320x480 PDA. It's all a matter of math and engineering. There is NO hardware/power issue with developing a HiRes+ device without a clamshell.
Tell me why it is technically impossible to build said device (lets say with the dimensions of the TG50). I'm sure you will try, even if the facts are wrong, just to be contrary. :p
How thick is the TG50? I thought it was the same thickness as the T665.
Why do you dislike the clamshell if not for the fact that the clamshell units are the bigger thicker units? If you don't demand an ultra thin pda like others, then why don't you get an NX80 and never take it out of tablet mode?
As far as I am concerned, if it is as thick as a classic Ipaq then it better have a thumboard and some other goodies to explain why.
somas1
07-29-2003, 05:28 PM
You know I think polls like this are inherently biased because if you click on the forum link to get you to this topic and actually vote it is only because you want to say yes I want a thin high res plus pda. That said, less than 70% of the folks who have voted want a thin high res plus pda.
sigelang
07-29-2003, 05:36 PM
Somas1,
What would you prefer, two Hires+ TG5x with CF slot and WI-FI ready or one NX80v?
somas1
07-29-2003, 08:29 PM
Originally posted by sigelang
Somas1,
What would you prefer, two Hires+ TG5x with CF slot and WI-FI ready or one NX80v?
I am not sure what you are asking me. I can tell you that I would not pay $700 for any pda. If you are suggesting that a TG unit that was highres+ and had a cf slot and was wi-fi ready would cost $350, then I would tell you that you are mistaken about Sony's pricing scheme. BTW is the TG line thicker than I originally thought? There is no way to squeeze a cf slot into the body of a TG50 and I don't see how that would be more feasable with a TG unit that was high-res plus.
Bionic Antboy
07-30-2003, 08:47 AM
Originally posted by somas1
How thick is the TG50? I thought it was the same thickness as the T665.
Why do you dislike the clamshell if not for the fact that the clamshell units are the bigger thicker units? If you don't demand an ultra thin pda like others, then why don't you get an NX80 and never take it out of tablet mode?
As far as I am concerned, if it is as thick as a classic Ipaq then it better have a thumboard and some other goodies to explain why.
Yes the T665 is .5 inches and according to the sony website, the TG50 is 1/2 inch, not counting cover or protruding parts.
I was pointing out to contrary that nobody in the thread was demanding a PDA less than 1/2 inch thick. The T665/TG50 is a PERFECT size for a PDA, IMHO, and I would love to have something like that with HiRes+.
This argument about super thin is detracting from the point that a more standard thickness (if you can call the T665/TG50 standard thickness :) )PDA with HiRes+ IS technically feasible.
Here's a perfect example...
Take the TG50 case. Remove the keyboard. Put in a HiRes+ screen. The screen would extend to the end of the second highest row of keys (or slightly lower if they used a bigger screen like the NX series). Said device would have MORE space in in than the TG50 itself, because the keyboard takes up more space than the screen mechanism.
I'm not going to get into other options, such as..
You could put a slight bulge at the top (NX70 style but not as extreme) to accommodate a collapsible CF slot as well.
OR
Increase overall thickness slightly (to about 5/8 or 11/32) to accommodate the collapsible CF slot AND add a slightly larger battery, though this additional battery space may exist in the original dimensions.
I don't understand why those who are happy with other form factors keep ragging on those who want said device. For me personally, all I want is SONY to make it before someone else does, because I think when it comes to both engineering and industrial design, SONY stands head and shoulders above all other PDA manufacturers, whether Palm OS, PPC or miscellaneous. Said device would fill a gap in their product line (as well as the Palm OS PDA market as well), and in all likelyhood win converts over from not only the Palm world, but PPC land, too. I don't count the Garmin because it IS as big as an NX80 due to the GPS unit.
I'm basing this on the fact that I've seen posts here and on MLs from people who ARE switching to PPC because there is no portrait style standard form factor Palm device. They have done so knowing that the resolution is lower. I'm not gonna go that route, yet, because I've invested in not only hardware, but software. The price isn't as much an issue as finding the equivalent for another OS.
It would be a wise marketing move on SONY's part, and I'm willing to be dollars to donuts it would be one of their best-selling PDAs.
dorr1
07-30-2003, 12:34 PM
Thanks for speaking my mind Bionic Antboy!!! :D
Bionic Antboy
07-30-2003, 12:51 PM
Originally posted by dorr1
Thanks for speaking my mind Bionic Antboy!!! :D
I don't think we're the only ones, judging by the poll results ;)
riversen
07-30-2003, 02:49 PM
Well, Garmin and Tapewave are both coming out with this type of PDA that may woo me to buy them. The infamously rumored TT3 would be nice. My ideal candidate would be the M515 with the power, high res+, larger RAM, and longer batteries. I sent an email to Palm asking them for it. The forwarded (or at least said they forwarded it) to the R&D and marketing departments. I really think this would be a very cool PDA.
:) We will see, I gues.
sigelang
07-30-2003, 06:03 PM
Hi -res+ M515. It will be solid!
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