Mac Q?

[jeffmac]

I am new to this forum but I am very interested in the UX-50, but I am also a Mac user.

Since SONY does not directly support hotsync to a Mac can anyone give me an educated guess as to whether Missing Sync will function in its current incarnation or require an update??

Thanks in advance...

[n2ifp]

The UX will have the 5.2 Palm OS, maybe best to pose the question to the Mark-Space developers. I suspect, the UX is more geared towards wireless HotSyncing!

[Unregistered]

I find it unamusingly ironic that while Sony still refuses to directly support Macintosh users, they advertise Missing Sync on their own Clie site:

http://sonyelectronics.sonystyle.com/micros/clie/software/macsolutions.html

Does this strike anyone else as hypocritical and just plain insulting to Mac users? "We won't support you, but we'll capitalize on the company that does"

I don't think I'm the only Mac user with a love/hate relationship with Sony.

[sonicboy]

This is the first I've heard of compatability issues..
I have a friend who is a palm freak and he has no problems with using his powerbook for bluetooth sync and mounting memory sticks..

I own a cybershot and I didn't even have to instal drivers to mount its memory stick..

when I get my UX50 in a few weeks I'll let you know

[nauta]

I don't know about unregistered, but I'm not using OS X, and OS 9 isn't natively Sony-friendly.

[sonicboy]

oh I see... well its your own fault then isn't it!

install OS 10.2

install it now.

[nauta]

If I had a machine that could run 10.2, I would. If I had carbon versions of my major applications, I would.

I don't, so I don't run 10.x. My iMac has over $100 worth of third party memory that won't work under X. I tried it. It nearly killed my system.

I won't touch OS X until I get a new machine, and that won't be anytime soon. Mark/Space will catch up to the UX-50, given time.

[pipedaddy]

Memory that won't work under OS X? How can that be?

[sonicboy]

Originally posted by nauta
If I had a machine that could run 10.2, I would.
But you said you had an iMac correct? 10.2 will run on any imac... and once you tweak the prefs you should be running faster than OS 9..

Originally posted by nauta
If I had carbon versions of my major applications, I would.
Thats what classic is for ;) works fine for me and I am running an OS that is supported.

Originally posted by nauta
My iMac has over $100 worth of third party memory that won't work under X. I tried it. It nearly killed my system.
Now this I dont understand, how could ram be compatable with 9 but not compatable with 10.2? are we talking OS 10.2 or are we talking OS X (10)

upgrade dude! I dont think you know yet but OS 9 sucks serious a-hole

[nauta]

When my iMac boots to a blue screen after installing OS X, I'd dare to say my machine won't run OS X

Don't ask me why, I'm just not going through the six hours of hassle I went through trying to get X off my system. Not until I get a machine I know will run it properly.

And I'm talking 10.1. If anyone would like to buy me a copy of 10.2 for $130 or whatever it's going for, please do, because I'm not spending more money to find it wasted.

[SEkker]

I have used Sony CLIEs with both OS9 and OSX without a hitch for a year and a half. Not sure what the problem is. Under OS9, you use the slightly older missing sync for OS9 with the older Palm Desktop software. Worked perfectly for me with my NR70 and T615. If you have any questions, I can help you through them.

As for the 'advantages' of OSX, I stand by my assessment that an optimized OS9 machine is in many ways better than most standard OSX implementations. Too many gadgets and gizmo apps that were generated over many years for OS9 to be instantly ported to OSX. An example is the Epson Copier app, which does not work in classic mode. But OSX is slowly making its way by providing new options not available under OS9 (like iPhoto).

[nauta]

That's exactly what I'm doing now. Missing Sync and Palm Desktop work just fine with my SJ-30. I'm just wondering about support for the UX-50, but I'm sure Mark/Space will impliment it.

I have an iMac G3/500 with 576 MB of RAM and a 20 gb disk, for those of you wondering. And it runs OS 9.2.2 just fine, thank you.

I'd sooner sync the UX-50 on my work PC than upgrade my home machine to X.2, because I know it won't run as well as it does now.

[SEkker]

You can always install OSX and if you don't like it, go back to booting in OS9.

[sonicboy]

alright, whatever floats your boat I guess, I just cant imagine using 9 it seriously makes my skin crawl...

as for booting to a blue screen, you know that is what its supposed to do right?

and on the subject of booting, when did you last restart?

I last restarted about 2 weeks ago and even then, only because my powerbook battery went dead.

[nauta]

Originally posted by SEkker
You can always install OSX and if you don't like it, go back to booting in OS9.

I already tried installing OS X once, hence my lack of desire to do it again.

If it even worked, it would be a waste of hard disk space (a gig?) to leave X on my machine and not use it.

[nauta]

Originally posted by sonicboy
as for booting to a blue screen, you know that is what its supposed to do right?

and on the subject of booting, when did you last restart?

It's not supposed to boot to a blue screen, and sit there, for an hour (yes, I sat and waited, restarted, and it did the same thing)

Maybe with some tweaking and such, I could get my machine to run OS X, but why would I bother? The end doesn't justify the means in this case, for me.

As for restarting, I shut my machine down every night. iMac = no fan = room heater. Putting it to sleep = bright pulsating power light which illuminates my entire room. About the only time I have to restart during daily use is when IE screws up, but I can deal with that.

I'll get an eMac eventually. I just don't need it now.

[sonicboy]

nauta, can I ask a personal question?

your age?

[nauta]

I'm 22.

And you?

[sonicboy]

wow, you have severely swung my statistics..
OK well, my dad is 48 and even HE uses (and points out the advantages over 9) OS 10.2
fyi he is running a G3 350 with 512mb of ram :P

oh, and I am 20.

[nauta]

I was running 7.5.3 on a 6100/60 up until 2001. And I used a PowerBook 170 from 1994-1998 as my primary machine. =)

[sonicboy]

oh my god!

respect! (seriously) you have much more patience than me, I will be quiet now.

[nauta]

Heh.

Well, look at what I do with my machine: Chatting, web surfing, email, word processing, and graphics editing. I don't play games, and I don't do heavy multimedia stuff. My iMac lets me do some of these things faster (ie. Web surfing and graphics editing), but chatting, email and word processing runs just as well at 60 Mhz as it does at 500.

[sonicboy]

thanks for the education in "different strokes for different blokes" for lack of a better description.

I guess the only computer users I come in contact with (including friends) are working in some facet of the computer industry and, therefore, upgrade as frequently as financially possible. A close friend recently upgraded from a TG50 to a tungsten C for gods sake!

good luck with the UX50 btw, I am getting the same model.

[nauta]

Heh, after downloading (and printing) the UX-50 manual and reading what kind of battery life it gets, I'm disenchanted to the idea of getting one. I may very well go back to my original plan of getting an iBook/iPod which both get over four hours of battery (eight for the iPod), while this thing seems to be limited to two or three hours of "normal use" (ie. Web browsing, backlight on, mp3 playing, etc)

Maybe the world isn't quite ready for a mini-notebook, if I can't use it all day without running out of battery life. "All day" being four to five hours of use while I'm in class.

[sonicboy]

it does have an external battery but I tend to agree, the world needs more SUB sub-notebooks

[nauta]

Until I can get something like the UX-50 with the battery life of my Clie, which I can use comfortably/continuously for an entire day or even two without recharging, it's not worth the effort. And definately not worth spending $120 for a bigger, bulkier battery pack.

I'm disappointed, but maybe by the time the UX-60 comes out, I'll be ready to turn in my SJ-30. Best Clie ever.

[sonicboy]

yeah, external battery kind of removes the convinience huh.. well I am lucky to have a laptop, I use it at work so I would use a USB sync cable to charge whenever needed.. seeing as you are looking to replace the function of a laptop your in a bit of a bind..

however seeing as you'll be using it on campus, why not keep the battery pack in your bag and pull it out for taking notes in lectures etc (notebook style when your sitting down) and use the internal battery while walking around campus where you would keep it in your pocket (PDA)

I understand you wanting to ditch the weight/price of a laptop from your shoulders/wallet..

[nauta]

I'm looking at the following options, then:

Clie UX-50 = $699
External battery = $119
512 MB MS Pro = $299

Total = $1117

12" iBook 900 CD-ROM = $949
512 RAM module = $99
Airport card = $71

Total = $1119

Is that ironic, or what?

[sonicboy]

woah! :D please let me know which way you swing it, most interested.

well, I live in japan so RRP is more like this:

UX50 = $584
Battery = $90
512 MS pro = $291

mmm, actually not that much difference..

go the ibook I reckon, you will be able to do more..
as for playing MP3s, my friend used to put a rubber ring in the latch of his powerbook 2400 to keep it awake so he could listen to tunes while it was in his backpack

[Azxel]

so, the clie's would be plug and play...? or plug and pray? my cybershot connects to my powerbook (Mac OSX 10.2) without any installation or problems... i would presume that sync-ing it would be easy too... i hope.

or would the problem be with what software that could be used to sync both devices?

[sonicboy]

I talked to my mac head clie using friend and he said there are no issues but you DO need that missing sync software.

which in my opinion covers lots of useless things like iTunes and iPhoto.. I dont care about that stuff

ironicly, he upgraded from a TG50 to a TC and gave me the software which he bought.

sony should provide it for free ****ers

[jeffmac]

I contacted Mark/SPace and they said that they would have support within 2-4 weeks of the unit shipping in the Americas.

One of the key features to me seems to be the ability to mount the MS on Mac desktop using the UX as a reader. This makes copying data files (MP3 etc) much quicker as the standard Palm conduit can be very slow for this kind of stuff.