1src Forums - Reason for wide border?

hausman

07-22-2003, 01:53 PM

My guess would be smaller screen = cheaper and uses less battery life. Plus there may be some electronics crammed up in there - judging by the capabilities of this tiny thing.

Eddy

07-22-2003, 02:05 PM

yeah, power consumption could be a main cause for the smaller screen. Also the wireless antennas within could be another reason. Have you taken a look at the plastic mock of the UX50? :)
Hope that eventually they'll make a bigger screen.

cjones

07-22-2003, 02:10 PM

To be honest... the "apparant" wasting of screen real estate (given that the NR's, NX's and NZ's all have the same screen size more or less) is what makes the UX's not look that exciting to me.

I've gotten so spoiled by my original NR's size and now my NZ's size that anything smaller just isn't the same... :)

-chris

hausman

07-22-2003, 02:16 PM

I forgot about the plastic mock. Did it have all the electronics in it? I wonder - if not it might not show what's really around the screen (there's *no* way a wireless antenna is that thick around the screen - that would be ridiculous - look at most PCMCIA card Wifi antennae). I still primarily suspect power drain, and I see cost as a major driver as well - people are upset at how expensive this thing is (I don't really see it given all the functionality that's built-in, but then again this PDA was pretty much designed for me by apparently-telepathic Sony engineers) - adding a ~4" screen is likely to top $800.

From a supply chain perspective, there's always a chance that there are quality or availability concerns - if possibly only given projected demand - hard to say. I do like the little Wifi/BT lights, too bad they couldn't have used the space for more buttons/indicators of some sort (on a future model with portrait, maybe a graffiti area...) heh. Speculation is grand.

JackAxe

07-22-2003, 02:21 PM

<]=)
http://www.dreadscott.com/UX/clear2.jpg

hausman

07-22-2003, 02:24 PM

Hmm. Is that a view from the back, though?
Edit:

Now I'm looking more closely at this thing, with what I really hope is some robust hardware on the swivel joint, there isn't too much room vertically for the screen. I wonder if there are limitations on widely-available screens with given dimensions, such that this one was just the best fit currently available. If you wanted to go bigger, you'd lose the "underbite" of the jog dial and the 3 application buttons when the unit is closed (tho I'd have preferred that anyway) - not clear if that's a feature or a side effect of the smaller screen, though. :) I haven't had this much fun in a long time...

rened

07-22-2003, 03:43 PM

Nice... So technically there is no reason for a bigger screen in the next version.
To see if it's _too_ small i guess i'll have to wait until it appears in shops.

hausman

07-22-2003, 03:49 PM

Not neccessarily, though - it sort of depends on how you treat the overall size of the unit and the size of the top part of the clamshell. There's certainly some flexibility there, though JackAxe just posted an interesting image on a new thread...once I understand what he did I'm sure it'll be clearer.(thanks JackAxe!) It's likely Sony will tweak it based on reviews/sales/comments, if indeed the design succeeds enough to warrant further development.

greg elmassian

07-22-2003, 05:10 PM

looking at the picture, the battery is driving the length of the unit... looks very similar to the one in the ipaq...

Greg

dliao

07-22-2003, 06:18 PM

I thought the border is for WiFi and bluetooth ?

kitfreak

07-22-2003, 10:40 PM

Just a thought.

I wonder if the border around the screen is there to allow the unit to be held when you have the screen flipped over for non-keyboard use?

If the unit is too wide to be held in your palm like previous Clie's, then the unit could be held in one hand by placing your thumb on the border, with your index finger supporting the back of the unit.

yOyOYoo

07-22-2003, 10:50 PM

hmmm good point kitfreak.

Then again if Sony had given us Portrait view and hardkey buttons we wouldn't have this problem! >=( Closed, the UX could have been held like a normal NR/NX series, which doesn't have much of a huge border around the screen.

THe border just seems so thick! Sony could have a) made the keyboard smaller to match the smaller screen and have an entirely smaller UX series, or b) sony could have simply just made the screen bigger.

dah. Don't worry guys, you'll have everything you want in the UX60

Eddy

07-23-2003, 12:34 AM

yeah, I'd definitely upgrade for a new OS6. :D

rened

07-23-2003, 02:41 AM

Originally posted by Eddy
yeah, I'd definitely upgrade for a new OS6. :D

Even if it has this screen size? and 16 Mb usable?

Eddy

07-23-2003, 08:28 AM

if everything is accountable. I suppose so... well, surely by then things should be looking better. :D
Crossing my fingers on this though. :p

jaimejr66

07-23-2003, 02:25 PM

I read an article. I believe from Brighthand, that mentioned that the wide border is a New Styling cue that Sony is using on many of its Flatscreen productions, including the UX. It is suppose to give these Sony models a Unique look and feel.

Personally, It looks like a waste of space to me, but to each his own.

GadgetMike

07-23-2003, 03:19 PM

I personally prefer the new screen. It will make my movies sharper on the display.

jjthe2

07-23-2003, 04:08 PM

I thought that the power consumption of an LCD had much more to do with the total number of pixels and the not the overall size. So a smaller screen at the same resolution would only have marginally better battery performance at best. I may be mistaken.

If it really was just a design choice, it seems pretty stupid.

hausman

07-23-2003, 04:13 PM

I wonder if it relates to backlight - you probably don't need as much power to backlight a screen that's 30% smaller - I have no idea if that's negligible or not, tho.

JackAxe

07-23-2003, 04:42 PM

That's what I've heard, that the backlight consumes the most power.

Someday OLED screens will be the norm and will consume very little power. I can only dream of that day. :)

<]=)

EdFrmBrighthand

07-23-2003, 04:52 PM

Sorry, apparently OLED screens are quite some time away:
www.brighthand.com/article/OLED_Screens_Not_Coming_to_Handhelds_Soon

I believe the screen is smaller so the backlight uses less power.

Look on the bright side, I haven't heard any reports of wavy shadows on the screens of UX series models being demoed.

JackAxe

07-23-2003, 05:22 PM

That is why I can only dream about the day they will be mainstream. That article didn't mention the color fading issue.

Oh well. At least LCD screens are getting better. I look forward to a 600+:1 screen on my desk.

<]=)

n2ifp

07-24-2003, 12:50 AM

Originally posted by hausman
but then again this PDA was pretty much designed for me by apparently-telepathic Sony engineers) - adding a ~4" screen is likely to top $800.

Hey, it was designed for me!

n2ifp

07-24-2003, 12:52 AM

Originally posted by JackAxe
<]=)
http://www.dreadscott.com/UX/clear2.jpg

It also looks like it it has a coin cell Lithium battery too.

JackAxe

07-24-2003, 01:26 AM

My PPC has an extra battery like that, it's the backup battery.

<]=)

Katsu

07-24-2003, 01:57 AM

Isn't that a speaker rather than a battery?

AndyJapan

07-24-2003, 02:16 AM

Originally posted by JackAxe

Oh well. At least LCD screens are getting better. I look forward to a 600+:1 screen on my desk.
<]=)

Why don`t you take a look at EIZO`s Medical Display Systems. Those monitors have 700cd/m2 and a whopping 1000:1 contrast. Blows everything away, but those displays are quite pricey...

rened

07-24-2003, 02:18 AM

Originally posted by Katsu
Isn't that a speaker rather than a battery?

from the pictures that i've seen (look here (http://palmoslove.com/work/feature/news20030717.html) for instance) that's right. There are little speaker holes at that position at the back of the device.

Eddy

07-24-2003, 02:21 AM

Originally posted by katsu
Isn't that a speaker rather than a battery?
It does look like the speaker area there. You might be right. :confused:

Twin_Pixel

07-25-2003, 09:38 AM

I'm of the opinion that the thick border makes the UX50 less technically advanced than, for example, the NX80. It's also quite similar to my old laptop from 1994!

Eddy

07-25-2003, 12:05 PM

big picture there. :eek:
:D

rened

07-25-2003, 12:20 PM

probably taken by a UX:D

sonicboy

07-25-2003, 02:50 PM

I personaly dont give a rats arse about screen size, so long as the resolution is there...

...and it is.

and lol at that old laptop.

and another lol for your inability to scale an image! LOL!

Omnitron

07-25-2003, 03:36 PM

The first thing I thought when I saw the UX designs was how much it reminded me of my old Sharp Wizards -- Oz730/Oz750 (My first PDAs) --- And they still remind me of that somewhat.

sonicboy

07-25-2003, 03:39 PM

yep, it reminds me of my eMate.

I think we just take the lack of space around screens forgranted :)

Twin_Pixel

07-26-2003, 05:57 AM

Originally posted by sonicboy
I personaly dont give a rats arse about screen size, so long as the resolution is there...

...and it is.

and lol at that old laptop.

and another lol for your inability to scale an image! LOL!

So I'm unable to scale images, huh? Well, with true broadband, I'm not affected as the page still loads instantly. I think you ought to break up with your modem.

How many different scales do you want?

hherbzilla

07-26-2003, 06:48 AM

LOL at you for not knowing how many different scales he wants.

;)

Twin_Pixel

07-26-2003, 10:54 AM

Damn! I'm not clairvoyant any more!

EvilErnie

07-26-2003, 11:46 AM

My guess is for durablity, if someone drops the UX the thick border will give it more protection. I could be wrong.

sonicboy

07-26-2003, 03:41 PM

Originally posted by Twin_Pixel
So I'm unable to scale images, huh? Well, with true broadband, I'm not affected as the page still loads instantly. I think you ought to break up with your modem.

How many different scales do you want?

errrr, I am on Yahoo broadband.. perhaps yeah read about it on slashdot..

but penis siz.. I mean, modem speed aside, that image is still way to huge from a layout perspective.

how many scales? just make any image for a board less than 400 pixels wide and I will be fine with it.. I dont need a huge *** picture of your laptop, that is something I have no need of ;)

sonicboy

07-26-2003, 03:42 PM

for example, what would not have been acomplished with this size?
http://www.jibjub.com/avatars/d41d8cd98f00b204e9800998ec.jpg

not only will you hide the poor quality of your camera you will be considerate to those people (that are not as fortunate as we fat pipe image posters) that do have dial up :D

Twin_Pixel

07-26-2003, 04:05 PM

Originally posted by sonicboy
for example, what would not have been acomplished with this size?

not only will you hide the poor quality of your camera you will be considerate to those people (that are not as fortunate as we fat pipe image posters) that do have dial up :D

I'm not sure about why you want to **** with me. Alright, what kind of broadband do you have? DSL is by far not broadband to me, or anyone else for that matter.

Secondly, when I was in a hurry, I didn't have time to scale that pic for your pleasure. And it's not the camera that is the problem, but the user. The camera is an Olympus C740 3.2 megapixel camera and it's not mine. So, you were wrong at least twice up to this point.

And last but not least, I do know how to use photoshop. Just tell me if you need some proof to keep quiet.

sonicboy

07-26-2003, 04:11 PM

no need for bad blood mate, I am just having a bit of a poke :D

if you want to proove your photoshop skills (now that you have some time) why not resize your image? even 500pixels wide would be fine, I am sure I am not the only one whose page layout is being torn apart by it and will continue to be torn apart untill we get to a new page or you resize..

calm down, its only the internet ;) I am sure under different circumstances you would be laughing as hard as me

Unregistered

07-26-2003, 04:12 PM

i would imagine that first of all they want a certain screen size (battery price and other issues), and then they have a certain harware size needed to put all the parts. ideally, the two match. sometimes they do not. they are trying to match a certain screen size with a certain case size. in the case, you wind up with a larger border.

sonicboy

07-26-2003, 04:13 PM

oh and cause you asked, I am on 12mbps ADSL with an 802.11 card in my modem, but who cares right.. we are all online and we are all having fun, no?

(yay! new page!!)

Twin_Pixel

07-26-2003, 07:12 PM

Originally posted by sonicboy
no need for bad blood mate, I am just having a bit of a poke :D

if you want to proove your photoshop skills (now that you have some time) why not resize your image? even 500pixels wide would be fine, I am sure I am not the only one whose page layout is being torn apart by it and will continue to be torn apart untill we get to a new page or you resize..

calm down, its only the internet ;) I am sure under different circumstances you would be laughing as hard as me

It's easier to delete it. I can do that.

Twin_Pixel

07-26-2003, 07:13 PM

Originally posted by sonicboy
oh and cause you asked, I am on 12mbps ADSL with an 802.11 card in my modem, but who cares right.. we are all online and we are all having fun, no?

(yay! new page!!)

Off-topic, but no, I don't think your connection to the Internet is 12 mbps. Not with ADSL. And who cares about the internal speed, right?

sonicboy

07-26-2003, 07:19 PM

Originally posted by Twin_Pixel
Off-topic, but no, I don't think your connection to the Internet is 12 mbps. Not with ADSL.
LOL errrrr, why dont you think its possible?

http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/internet/www/article/2002/0627/yahoobb.htm

can you read japanese? either way, you should be able to read "Yahoo!BB 12mbps ADSL":D

*coughcough*

Twin_Pixel

07-27-2003, 04:14 AM

sonicboy

07-27-2003, 11:11 AM

Originally posted by Twin_Pixel
Probably cause you're too ugly to earn it.
eh? you've like.. totally lost me with that last personal attack..

BimBoy

07-27-2003, 05:29 PM

Originally posted by sonicboy

LOL errrrr, why dont you think its possible?

http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/internet/www/article/2002/0627/yahoobb.htm

can you read japanese? either way, you should be able to read "Yahoo!BB 12mbps ADSL":D

*coughcough*

Sonic, are you a tech employee of the Yahoo!/BB ISP? I thought the BB ASDL/12mbps service was supposed to be kicked off on July 1st of this year, but has been initially delayed until July 28th, then until August 5th, and now mid-August or early-September. :confused: :confused: How did you get it before it is available?

Originally posted by Twin_Pixel
Probably cause you're too ugly to earn it.

TP (pun intended), you've got probs, dude. :rolleyes:

Twin_Pixel

07-27-2003, 11:35 PM

Sneezy

07-28-2003, 12:28 AM

Man, I'm tellin' you fellas, there's nothin' better than a nerd fight. They're funny as hell, cause nobody understands what the hell they're talkin about.

Keep up the good work!

sonicboy

07-28-2003, 01:43 AM

Originally posted by BimBoy
Sonic, are you a tech employee of the Yahoo!/BB ISP? I thought the BB ASDL/12mbps service was supposed to be kicked off on July 1st of this year, but has been initially delayed until July 28th, then until August 5th, and now mid-August or early-September. :confused: :confused: How did you get it before it is available?

hrmmm.. I live in Tokyo?
There are cute girls in red yahooBB outfits handing out 12mbps modems down on the street, its been going on since the start of the year...

here ya go:

http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/07/15/1847212&mode=thread&tid=126&tid=95

TP: look dude, I never launch personla attacks at anyone.. all I said was posting an image with a 1000px width was dumb (thats all), you are the one who went *NUTTY* :eek:
lets just learn from this and resize our images in future, eh?

MythoFactory

07-28-2003, 04:42 AM

I saw the girls here and there in Osaka, too... Even in my small town!
and it is Yahoo/BB 12Mpbs

Twin_Pixel

07-28-2003, 08:07 AM

Originally posted by sonicboy

hrmmm.. I live in Tokyo?
There are cute girls in red yahooBB outfits handing out 12mbps modems down on the street, its been going on since the start of the year...

here ya go:

http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/07/15/1847212&mode=thread&tid=126&tid=95

TP: look dude, I never launch personla attacks at anyone.. all I said was posting an image with a 1000px width was dumb (thats all), you are the one who went *NUTTY* :eek:
lets just learn from this and resize our images in future, eh?

You weren't that nice either. However, I'm not mad at all. I don't think I can get mad by chatting like this. :)

MythoFactory

07-28-2003, 08:31 AM

...and?...

Twin_Pixel

07-28-2003, 08:52 AM

Originally posted by MythoFactory
...and?...

I think that's about it.

MythoFactory

07-28-2003, 09:30 AM

Originally posted by Twin_Pixel

Off-topic, but no, I don't think your connection to the Internet is 12 mbps. Not with ADSL. And who cares about the internal speed, right?

sonicboy

07-28-2003, 10:13 AM

Originally posted by Twin_Pixel
So I'm unable to scale images, huh? Well, with true broadband, I'm not affected as the page still loads instantly. I think you ought to break up with your modem.