T3 vs UX-40

[robrecht]

Thoughts?  Essentials like battery life aren't known yet, but let's get this discussion started:

T3, assuming it's real, has portrait and landscape modes, full-size keyboard option, seemingly larger screen with smaller overall size (not sure about this), more user accessible RAM, POTS modem option, no memory stick or SONY proprietarianism.

UX-40 has built in ugly but probably very good thumbboard, novelty camera, new design and wow factor for those who assume SONY's the best.  Most importantly it's definitely real and will probably be available pretty soon.

Does anyone have details on screen size and overall dimensions?

[s360clie]

The T3's outlook is extremely ugly compared to UX40/50, It will be too long with VG opened...........The slidedown design is not good for a VG...................

[cbulock]

I love the larger screen of the NX, so I would not like going to a smaller screen size of the UX. If the T3 is real, and Sony doesn't come out with anything like that by the end of the year, the T3 will likely be my next PDA.

[-MV-]

it's just mid year, expect a lot more new clies from Sony for the next months to come =)

[JwY]

the battle rages on

[jmg_NX21]

SURE looks the FUN has only begun AND it sure looked like PALM was taking the WIND out of Sony's Palm PDA's...

[GummyDancer]

Originally posted by s360clie
The T3's outlook is extremely ugly compared to UX40/50

I agree with that! It's not the T3, all Palm devices' outlook cannot be compared to a Sony's PDA... their design isn't that nice... (opinion)

Also, lets not talk about OS6, on OS5, Sony did tried to make nicer interfaces which makes some of us proud of... and with not using Sony's PDAs, you will just lose some great softwares that Palm don't have... (e.g. you ever see another software better than Clie Viewer while viewing pictures? it's just better while you just need few taps to send a photo by e-mail, how about others?)

Some people choose Sony because they have other Sony Products (a VAIO, Cybershot, Handycam etc.) Or they may just do not want to buy multi cards... like a SD for a Palm, CF for the DC, SD for the MP3, MS for the DV?

Actucally it's just your choice to choose what you want... if you'd like a T|T3 then just buy it, if you'd like a UX, then choose one...

[gfunkmagic]

Very interesting comparison robrecht! Both these devices have BT, "moving" parts, 320x480 res screens, and OS 5.2. They both also are apparently targeted at enterprise users. Other than that they're pretty different.

UX40:
-advantages: includes QERTWY thumbboard, camera, and CXD2230GA graphics accelerator chip.
- disadvantages: its wacky Ram, proprietary MS slot and questionable battery life (last one is unkown).

TT3:
-advantages: 64 MB ram (51 MB user accesible), landscape + portrait view of screen, possible larger overall screen?, SDIO slot, and UC connector for available accesories.
-negatives: no integrated camera/thumbboard, possible persistant probs with sound volume slider mech?, and unknown release date not to mention existance! :D

IMHO, the deciding factor has to be whether you want a thumbboard or not. If you plan on doing a lot email, IM etc, then the UX40 would be the best choice. But if you want a more traditional pda with less flashy looks, then the TT3 would be the choice to go to. (I mention the "flashy looks" b/c often people don't want to bring attention to their pda's during work/meeting etc) I would personally pick the UX40, check that...the UX50.

[Caffeine kid]

T3 for me!

[cykalan]

yeah......Arnold rules.....:D

[jerryf]

I also would go with the T3. I think that a lot of this product integration is over hyped. I don't want a mediocre camera on my PDA to add weight and size. The T3 looks very good to me, though I would prefer WiFi to Bluetooth. After using graffiti for so many years, I am ambivalent about the keypad. The T3's extra RAM and the 400MHz speed are definite winners for me. A perfect Clie for me would be a T615 form factor with the extra RAM, 400 Mhz speed and HiRes+. I don't know why they haven't done that yet. They certainly have the capability. I think that they are being directed by some misguided entertainment driven strategy. That is OK for the consumer market, but they need something for those of us who work.

[dúnadan]

T3

[orol]

T3 having BACK button ..
I've tried playing with T|C and I was missing the back button sooo much (jog dial not so but back button very very much) ..

[noktoto]

t3

[Caffeine kid]

If you hit the middle button on the tungsten, it does bring you back to the main screen, so its sort of like a back button.

[Unregistered]

T3

[robrecht]

Looks like the rumored T3 will be a hit even on ClieSource.  But if you want to buy a ribbed thumboard with an attached screen ...

[GodSpeed]

I would go for the T3... I really don't like Sony much :\

[n2ifp]

Is the T3 just another Photoshop Creation?

[*YellowRose*]

Originally posted by cbulock
I love the larger screen of the NX, so I would not like going to a smaller screen size of the UX. If the T3 is real, and Sony doesn't come out with anything like that by the end of the year, the T3 will likely be my next PDA. I'm with you Cameron . . . the PDA 'wars' will be over for a lot of people, if it's released, I suspect. Especially if it's got 64MB of USEABLE ram. :)

[cbulock]

Originally posted by n2ifp
Is the T3 just another Photoshop Creation?

I highly doubt it. As someone else said, if it's a Photoshop job, it's gotta be one of the best ones there is.

[xenna]

Originally posted by jerryf
I think that they are being directed by some misguided entertainment driven strategy. That is OK for the consumer market, but they need something for those of us who work.

Speak for yourself. I think many PDA users carry their expensive toyls most places they go, like on holiday.

Wifi, BT and a (hopefully) usable keyboard are much appreciated in work environments as well as when travelling for pleasure (e-mail, SMS).

Do you know many professionals who are not also consumers?

And the ones that are? Do they carry around two PDA's? One for work and one for play?

I know I don't. Therefore I like one with as many features as possible, provided it doesn't get too big or eat too many batteries...

X.

[EdFrmBrighthand]

The TT3 has landscape mode but all we've seen is the application launcher using it. That doesn't mean that you're going to be able to look at a WordSmith doc in both portait and landscape mode. Basically, it's still too early to see whther the TT3's landscape mode will give it an advantage over the UX series.

[dúnadan]

Ed, the fact that the portrait/landscape mode can be controlled by an icon in the menu bar implies that it can be used with more than just the default launcher, no?

[EdFrmBrighthand]

Originally posted by robrecht
Does anyone have details on screen size and overall dimensions?
The UX series is 4 inches by 3.4 inches by .7 inches and 6.2 ounces.

I'm assuming the TT3 is the same size as the original TT. When compressed, the TT is 4 by 3 by .6 inches. It is 4.8 inches tall when expanded. It weighs 5.6 ounces.

I can make a good judgement of the TT3's size if someone will tell me how big the TT's is.

[EdFrmBrighthand]

Originally posted by dúnadan
Ed, the fact that the portrait/landscape mode can be controlled by an icon in the menu bar implies that it can be used with more than just the default launcher, no?
Possibly so.

If so, what does that do to the virtual Graffiti area? Is it reconfigured, the way the UX series' is in landscape mode?

Developers will have to add support for landscape mode to their apps. I have a friend in a position to find out checking to see if both the T3 and the UX series use the same landscape API. It would be a hassle of developers had to add support for different APIs.

[n2ifp]

Originally posted by cbulock


I highly doubt it. As someone else said, if it's a Photoshop job, it's gotta be one of the best ones there is.

I realize that, I was just breaking horns :D! I am not going to let him get away with the practical joke, he-he!

[cykalan]

Originally posted by EdFrmBrighthand

Possibly so.

If so, what does that do to the virtual Graffiti area? Is it reconfigured, the way the UX series' is in landscape mode?

Developers will have to add support for landscape mode to their apps. I have a friend in a position to find out checking to see if both the T3 and the UX series use the same landscape API. It would be a hassle of developers had to add support for different APIs.

i have had a brief look at the UX's landscape API.....and very good chances exists that this is not the Palm OS standard API....

and about the virtual graffiti during landscape mode, i am not too sure about the virtual graffiti area, but i can confirmed that the status bar area does change accordingly as the mode is switched...so you can almost be sure about that the landscape thing is not for the launcher only...

[cykalan]

Originally posted by n2ifp


I realize that, I was just breaking horns :D! I am not going to let him get away with the practical joke, he-he!

LOL. :D

seen too many people screaming out that the T3 is a fake without even taking a close look of the photos. :o

[MaryJoS]

I think the T3 is going to be very popular, if indeed it comes to market! Of course, battery life is the big question, but the form factor is what so many people have wanted...non-clamshell with high res+! And with more RAM...I can't believe how little RAM Sony is STILL putting on their devices. It's nice to see Palm really starting to *wow* us again!

[robrecht]

Originally posted by MaryJoS
Of course, battery life is the big question, ...

At least both Palm and SONY have the option for an add-on battery.  I'd rather have user replaceable batteries like every cell phone, but at least there is an option for dealing with this issue. 

[robrecht]

Originally posted by EdFrmBrighthand
The TT3 has landscape mode but all we've seen is the application launcher using it. That doesn't mean that you're going to be able to look at a WordSmith doc in both portait and landscape mode. Basically, it's still too early to see whther the TT3's landscape mode will give it an advantage over the UX series.

Hi, Ed.

I'm hoping that the well integrated photo software on the Zire 71 might be an indication that Palm has learned it's lesson from the original Tungsten and lack of multimedia apps.  Maybe Palm's long relationship with DataViz will allow them to incorporate a well integrated office suite comparable to what Handera did with QuickOffice when they launched the 330.  Their picture of a spreadsheet in landscape mode is still burned into my memory.  Anyway, here's to hoping!

[Unregistered]

Let's just say if Sony PLANS to come out with something like T3 then I'd probably still buy Sony because they have much more software and features. The release probably has to include some "wow" factors if T3 comes out first.

But then again if T3 comes out first then it is likely that my credit card will be at the cash register for a purchase after Ed's review. God know when Sony wakes up to what people want?

[GadgetMike]

After owning the NX70, i've gotten too used to the keyboard. I will never be able to go back to a PDA w/o keyboard.

[EdFrmBrighthand]

I think the UX series will be out for months before we see the TT3. The T2 just debuted today and surely Palm won't announce its replacement any time soon. I predict late November at the earliest, just in time to get holiday sales.

[xumdeo]

think the T3 is real
remember before m505 was out, pictures were everywhere, nobody believed that a color screen model could be that thin.
the zire was real when pictures came out.


T3:
1. love the screen size+quality
2. the slider option is nice, but not sure if that woudl scratch the screen (!!) and are screen protectors thin enough to fit in the slide?
3. no problem with the size when the slide is up. design is ok
4. mp3 sound quality questioned
5. wanted to have removable battery so desperately

UX401.
1. love the form love the design love the size. love the feel of the new keypad
2. numb about screen size. accepting that smaller machine:smaller screen, given no CG silicon system-LCD technology unlike sharp
3. wanted to have removable battery so desperately
4. memory is alrite. 29Mb for media files (e.g. images), i can get a 256Mb MS for extra programs that can run off the MS and extra mp3z. for mroe music, get an ipod.
5. camera. snappy fun. not expecting quality.
6. handy mp3 player with sound quality
7. awesome wifi+BT (UX-50)


i havne';t made my decision yet. i'm still sticking to my palm M105 superduper old model. why am i using it? reliability. i can grab AAA batteries anywhere and everywhere. i have serparate mp3 players and nikon digital camera for serious photography.

think i'll be waiting for the 1.3MP model off the U series (UZ80?LOL) , with removable battery (liie the NZ90? or the ipaqs?) and OS6.

[ksjenkins]

Aside from the T3 being total BS!!!!:p

I'd like to see Palm cram Bluetooth & WiFi and VG 320x480 And MP3 ANd 64MB AND a 300MHz processor and have decent battery life.

My money's on the UX! :D

[JwY]

even if it's not possible now it will be soon
look at how much everything has evolved

[EdFrmBrighthand]

Originally posted by ksjenkins
Aside from the T3 being total BS!!!!:p

I'd like to see Palm cram Bluetooth & WiFi and VG 320x480 And MP3 ANd 64MB AND a 300MHz processor and have decent battery life.
Where did the rumor come from that the TT3 was supposed to have Wi-Fi? That wasn't what I've read.

Basically, it's a TT2 with more RAM, a Hi-Res+ screen and (possibly) a faster processor. This is completely possible, though I do think the larger screen will cut into the battery life.

[sonicboy]

Originally posted by EdFrmBrighthand I think the UX series will be out for months before we see the TT3. The T2 just debuted today and surely Palm won't announce its replacement any time soon.
The T2 was just released.. T3 will not be released in september so keep dreamin. Plus I dont know what you guys are even talking about, the UX50 goes on sale here in Japan AUGUST 9..

[cbulock]

Originally posted by sonicboy

T3 will not be released in september so keep dreamin.

I don't think anyone said it was coming out in September. I've heard November at the earliest.

[knight666]

UX

[sonicboy]

yep

[mashoutposse]

UX50. The T3 in VG mode will be almost the same size as an NX80, which defeats the purpose of switching.

In addition, the keyboard on the UX looks like a real winner, as far as ergonomics is concerned.

[sonicboy]

Originally posted by cbulock I don't think anyone said it was coming out in September. I've heard November at the earliest.

yeah, I read somewhere else (http://www.bargainpda.com/default.asp?newsID=1497) it would be released in september LOL

ok so why does this thread exist? why dont we compare "November at the earliest" model palms (ie: T3) to "November at the earliest" model clies (ie: ???)?

Palm have just suffered a leak of prototype info, if sony leaked info now you'd probably cream your pants and quite possibly start a new thread.

[n2ifp]

I thought I saw somewhere today that the T3 was slated for May of 2004??

[sonicboy]

once again, why does this thread exist?

why dont we compare "May 2004" model palms (ie: T3) to "May 2004" model clies (ie: ???)?

!?!?!?

I know you like to get exited but yeah..

[cbulock]

I suppose if we knew what Clie's would be availble in 2004, we would be comparing those. But, right now we don't, so all we can compare is the latest known Clie to the T3.

[edi]

T3 here, definitely!

[EdFrmBrighthand]

Originally posted by sonicboy
once again, why does this thread exist?
1) Because we feel like talking about it. That's really the only reason we need. If you don't feel like talking about it, move to another thread.

2) Becaue people are trying to decide whether to buy a UX50/UX40 in September when they first come on the market or wait until November (or maybe later) and get a TT3.

[Unregistered]

does it mean you believe in free speech and consumer comparing various PDA features?

:D

[patrickl]

The T3 has to be the worst idea Palm had to date (ok the Tungsten-W surely must have that title, but it comes close). That daft sliding mechanism sux even on a standard screen (why on earth would they criple a PDA so it can be 1 cm shorter?), but on a VG screen it's bordering on insane. If Palm would just add Bluetooth to the Tungsten-C they could have a much better deal right now.

[ksjenkins]

Originally posted by edi
T3 here, definitely!

 

Please, Please tell me where I can get one.... Best Buy??? Palm Store??? I can't find it... I need one now!!! :p

 

Not yet?

I guess I'll wait until Sept 9th and get a UX-50... :D (It's been a long wait already whats another 6 weeks)... But I'm not waiting until 2004!! :(

 

 

[riversen]

Originally posted by ksjenkins
Aside from the T3 being total BS!!!!:p

I'd like to see Palm cram Bluetooth & WiFi and VG 320x480 And MP3 ANd 64MB AND a 300MHz processor and have decent battery life.

My money's on the UX! :D

Not BS... a reality from what I can tell and have heard. I can tell you that an M525 or 535 with a 32 or 64 Meg's of RAM with an ARM processor would totally rock. I would easily settle for the T3 if Sony does not respond... by the way Garmin has already begun shipping. I am stoke about that one and will want to see what they are offering onces it is available to the developers.

[sonicboy]

the bandwidth and capabilitys of MS pro is insane.

after reading about it I have no porblem with 16MB user aloccated

what is the bandwidth of the memory palm uses? just curious...

[Unregistered]

Insane compare to what?

MMC? yeah you bet.

high speed CF or high bit SD? get real.

[sonicboy]

let me see if I have this right...

Memory Stick PRO: 15Mbps (minimum)
high speed Compact Flash: 1.8 Mbps (sustained)

sorry I couldn't find high bit SD speeds...

[Unregistered]

http://www.compactflash.org/
Version 2.0 increases the CompactFlash interface data transfer rate from 8MB/sec to 16MB/sec,

http://www.toshiba.com/taec/press/to-334.shtml
(Toshiba), the new high-density card features a maximum data transfer rate of 10 megabytes per second (MB/s).

and remember the maximum capacity and price. :)

[sonicboy]

nice one! thanks for the info Unregistered!
curse sony! curse them to hell!

(still getting a UX, my cybershot and handycam both use memorystick, sorry guys, I sold my soul)

[aithir]

UX, definetly. Because it has a more appealing design, its a more compact and itegrated. And I think that the comparison is unfair for the UX. UX is out there, you can buy it if you want to (at least in Japan) BUT T|T3 is a to be released unit, after who knows how many months, and given the fact that T|T2 has just been released, I don't see it any time soon. Technology is running in such a high speed in computers and PDA's that a product is outdated (technologically speaking) after six months. So any comparison is going to be unfair for UX.

[sonicboy]

I want a PDA that will last 5 years and I think (hope) the UX is that PDA.
I am not a PDA maniac like some of my friends.. so what can I predict for 5 years of use? heres my logic/research so far..

A) bluetooth and 802.11b are the most common and prevalent wireless technologys and the clie line implementation of these 2 is from what I hear better than the palms.

B) memory stick pro has a current physical limit of 32gig which should be enough for anything untill 3D screens (yes, 3D screens) and the tech to drive them becomes avaliable (in about 5 years)

C) possible upgrades with the memorystick slot and more chance of my device being supported when they come out.

D) design rocks, I love cyberpunk and this new case is, for lack of a better description, da bomb.. cant say it will last 5 years but I know sony have done great things with the size when I look at competitors with the same specs.

E) can play MPEG4 at 30 fps which once again, I cant see myself needing anything better for at least 5 years.

F) the free warrantee+insurance I get from the Japanese electronic store lasts 5 years :D

[jaimejr66]

Remembering that the T3 is just a rumor..... 2Q 2004 if your lucky....

By then a new UX should be on the playing field as well, so NOTE to Sony.

The T3 competitor should take the good parts of the UX, Keyboard, Clam-shell design etc... and add the following:

64 M RAM !!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hi-Res + screen
PORTRAIT MODE (as an option)
1.3 mp Camera (minimum)

OK Sony....Get to Work

[riversen]

The more and more I think about the Sony's and the Palm's, I realize that my ultimate PDA is the M515 style PDA with the power. I have even emailed Palm about. They were very courteous and forwarded my suggestion to their R&D department. Hopefully, we will see an M515 style with a 300 or 400 Mhz ARM processor, 320X480 high resolution screen, 32 to 128 Meg's of RAM, extended battery, running OS6 (?), and have all of its accessories as something that you add on and not already built in. I know too many people who travel, are in business (i.e. myself and fellow employees), may not post to bulletin boards like this one, and really want a simple, powerful, and sexy PDA. I know those of you who love the super gadgets may not understand this idea of simplicity, but there are actually people like us out there. Let's have them all... super gadgets and the powerful and sexy little PDA's.

[sonicboy]

Originally posted by jaimejr66
Remembering that the T3 is just a rumor..... 2Q 2004 if your lucky....
unfortunatly I dont have a handheld currently so I cant have hopes and dreams like most peeps on here...

Originally posted by jaimejr66
The T3 competitor should take the good parts of the UX, Keyboard, Clam-shell design etc... and add the following:

64 M RAM !!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hi-Res + screen
PORTRAIT MODE (as an option)
1.3 mp Camera (minimum)

OK Sony....Get to Work
64M ram is good if the device is going to be using its slot for other things, it is obvious sony want you to buy memory sticks.

I thought the screen was high res? for anything higher, I'd bbe going VIAO

Portrait mode is going to be implemented for the UX apparently

1.3 camera? I already have a digital camera.. when I saw cameras in the clie line up I was dissapointed and really wanted a NX60 but now that I think about it a low res camera would be not only usefull (for say maps or signs), but fun too.. If I need anything higher res I have my cybershot and I'm sure others do as well.. dont want to replace technology..

[robrecht]

Originally posted by sonicboy
Portrait mode is going to be implemented for the UX apparently

I missed that.  Can you elaborate or point me to a source? 

[Omnitron]

I got my hands on a t2 the other day -- good screen but it didn't feel right in my hand. I think I'm waiting to see a UX. If not a UX - NX80... :)

[yOyOYoo]

Sure you can still use your pda in 5 years, but by then there is going to be a LOT of major improvements.

Look at the NR70v. When it first came out, everyone thought it would last them a long time. I thought that it would be my last pda. Guess what? OS 5 came out and so did the NX70. My NR70v had a bunch of problems - loose screen, ms problem, etc.

In 5 years there are going to be vast improvements. There will be a clie with more than 16mb user ram FINALLY! There will be different designs that will most likely be much more user friendly than the UX50 design. Comeon sony give us portrait mode and hardkey buttons!!

While I think the UX50 rocks, I think it is a stepping stone to something much bigger. Picture the NR-> NX transformation. Expect the same when OS6 hits.

Originally posted by sonicboy
I want a PDA that will last 5 years and I think (hope) the UX is that PDA.
I am not a PDA maniac like some of my friends.. so what can I predict for 5 years of use? heres my logic/research so far..

A) bluetooth and 802.11b are the most common and prevalent wireless technologys and the clie line implementation of these 2 is from what I hear better than the palms.

B) memory stick pro has a current physical limit of 32gig which should be enough for anything untill 3D screens (yes, 3D screens) and the tech to drive them becomes avaliable (in about 5 years)

C) possible upgrades with the memorystick slot and more chance of my device being supported when they come out.

D) design rocks, I love cyberpunk and this new case is, for lack of a better description, da bomb.. cant say it will last 5 years but I know sony have done great things with the size when I look at competitors with the same specs.

E) can play MPEG4 at 30 fps which once again, I cant see myself needing anything better for at least 5 years.

F) the free warrantee+insurance I get from the Japanese electronic store lasts 5 years :D

[Deep blue Sky]

Originally posted by riversen
The more and more I think about the Sony's and the Palm's, I realize that my ultimate PDA is the M515 style PDA with the power. I have even emailed Palm about. They were very courteous and forwarded my suggestion to their R&D department. Hopefully, we will see an M515 style with a 300 or 400 Mhz ARM processor, 320X480 high resolution screen, 32 to 128 Meg's of RAM, extended battery, running OS6 (?), and have all of its accessories as something that you add on and not already built in. I know too many people who travel, are in business (i.e. myself and fellow employees), may not post to bulletin boards like this one, and really want a simple, powerful, and sexy PDA. I know those of you who love the super gadgets may not understand this idea of simplicity, but there are actually people like us out there. Let's have them all... super gadgets and the powerful and sexy little PDA's.

I would like that too, but then that is actually two steps ahead because the T-series HiRes+ Clie has to come out first, and it is thicker than a M515.

I would definitely buy one (HiRes+ 515) but I'd probably be satisfied with a T-series VG with decent power and one wireless option.

[riversen]

Originally posted by Deep blue Sky


I would definitely buy one (HiRes+ 515) but I'd probably be satisfied with a T-series VG with decent power and one wireless option.

I have to agree with you. I would be satisfied, too. I love my T665 right now and would be glad to have a T-series VG with the power, high res screen, more RAM, only 1 (if at all) wireless option, and a stronger battery for my MP3's or applications that I just use a lot. Will Sony answer first or will Palm? Maybe Garmin will take this market by storm... who knows, but I want this device soon.

[EdFrmBrighthand]

Originally posted by sonicboy
I want a PDA that will last 5 years and I think (hope) the UX is that PDA.
Five years is a long time in the handheld world. I don't know if you're going to be able to hold out for that long. If you still had the Palm model you'd bought five years ago, you'd have a Palm III with 2 MB of RAM (and no card slot), a 160x160 monochrome (not grayscale) screen, and a 16 MHz processor.

[Unregistered]

Can anyone post the photos of the T3 as they seem on have been taken off the Chinese site

[patrickl]

Originally posted by EdFrmBrighthand

Five years is a long time in the handheld world. I don't know if you're going to be able to hold out for that long. If you still had the Palm model you'd bought five years ago, you'd have a Palm III with 2 MB of RAM (and no card slot), a 160x160 monochrome (not grayscale) screen, and a 16 MHz processor.
That's not an entirely fair comparison. The Palm III was one of the earlier models. These days the PDA's have evolved a lot and I doubt they will get more new functions. It's more likely they will only go smaller, faster and get more memory.

Look at how PC's evolve. A PC of 5 years old still is fine today. But a 10 year old PC was not usable 5 years ago. The pace of

[Unregistered]

pdagal was told directly by Sony that there were no plans for portrait mode on the UX. did they change their minds since then?

[Gorto]

Originally posted by sonicboy
I want a PDA that will last 5 years and I think (hope) the UX is that PDA.


You have to put me on a desert island if I am not allowed to upgrade my PDA for 5 years!

[sonicboy]

pda gal posted some answers from sony and one of them was that apis for portrait were going to be implemented later...

am I tripping? or are you Unregistered..

[cbulock]

Originally posted by Unregistered
Can anyone post the photos of the T3 as they seem on have been taken off the Chinese site

There are a few pics at Palm Infocenter (http://www.palminfocenter.com/view_story.asp?ID=5684)

[rened]

Originally posted by sonicboy
pda gal posted some answers from sony and one of them was that apis for portrait were going to be implemented later...


Can you please point me to that message?

[robrecht]

Originally posted by sonicboy
pda gal posted some answers from sony and one of them was that apis for portrait were going to be implemented later...

Originally posted by rened


Can you please point me to that message?

pdagal denied that here:

http://www.cliesource.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=21347&perpage=15&highlight=pda%20gal&pagenumber=3

 

[Jeffry]

do NOT get the UX40 since there's no option to add WiFi other than taking up the MS slot with that WiFi stick.

[Unregistered]

My guess is that you'll see a UX-60 released before a T3. It's too early to make any comparisions. If you believe the T3 is that big of an advance from a T2 don't you think Sony has enough time to advance the UX by the T3 release date?

[robrecht]

Originally posted by jaimejr66
Remembering that the T3 is just a rumor..... 2Q 2004 if your lucky....


October 1, 2003, if we're lucky, and if we believe this rumor:

http://www.brighthand.com/article/RumorMill_Palm_Preparing_3_Models_for_Fall

 

[Zaurus GODS]

All you worshipping the UX (as I will get one of those too), you all owe THANKS to SHARP and the c700 series of devices

They obviously raised the bar for all handhelds many months ago.

[Unregistered]

Terminator 3 would Kick UX 50's ***

[Unregistered]

i could finally post reply!! why zaurus didnt use palm os? or released a palm emulator? i think they have best machine. any way to use it to read medical references on it?

[sonicboy]

after skynet is released T3 will kill us all

DO NOT BUY THIS MACHINE!

[ksjenkins]

Originally posted by ccelada



BTW, if you saw the pictures of the new Helix/Zodiac/Tapewave or whatever the name is, on PDA Arcade, it seems the device can do both Wide-Res+ And Hi-Res+... here are the pictures

http://www.pdarcade.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=1171&mode=&order=0&thold=0

Looks like the Helix will be here before the T3!! Looks like it won't have the stupid slider either... For all you Wide-Res+ and Hi-Res+ worshipers here is your ulitmate Clie T Series replacement....:D Sorry you won't be able to retain your Sony investment...

 

[Unregistered]

Originally posted by Zaurus GODS
All you worshipping the UX (as I will get one of those too), you all owe THANKS to SHARP and the c700 series of devices

They obviously raised the bar for all handhelds many months ago.

He who jumps the bar is Master
He who raises the bar is a servant

[JwY]

competition is the driving force for achievement

[sonicboy]

corporate greed is the driving force for stupid desicions

[scientist]

and money growing on the tree is causing to own 24 PDA to look up aunt marry's www.franklin.com

[hucsman]

Uhh... I think nobody has talked about a "small" detail. The T3 will supposedly be selling for $399, and the UX is what, $700?

[JackAxe]

Pictures of the T3 if anybody is interested:
http://www.bargainpda.com/default.asp?newsID=1497

Why is the T3 being compared to the UX when it doesn't have a built in keyboard, camera, or Wifi?

The T3 seems to be fore a completely different market then the UX.

<]=)

[sonicboy]

once youve had keyboard you never look back :D

[JackAxe]

Besides the higher rez screen, the keyboard sold me on my NR.

<]=)

[sonicboy]

lol, hes obviously a T3 fan, he said "$399"

so bullshnit aside, the T3 is $400 and the UX is $700... thats 300 extra for keyboard, camera, Wifi and a design that turns heads (no, it really does turn heads!)

totally different market.. why do I even bother posting in evil threads like this

[rened]

Originally posted by hucsman
Uhh... I think nobody has talked about a "small" detail. The T3 will supposedly be selling for $399, and the UX is what, $700?

An external keyboard adds $100 and a (upcomming) wifi sd-card (sandisk) adds $200...
Totals: $700, you have no camera, but a larger screen (same resolution) and a really decent keyboard. And maybe its faster (except video playback) and it might not be as compact as the UX.

[JackAxe]

I'll take the extras for $300 more.

<]=)

[JackAxe]

Originally posted by rened


An external keyboard adds $100 and a (upcomming) wifi sd-card (sandisk) adds $200...
Totals: $700, you have no camera, but a larger screen (same resolution) and a really decent keyboard. And maybe its faster (except video playback) and it might not be as compact as the UX.

Then why not just buy the UX if you want the keyboard and WIFI? :)

Carring around an extra keyboard that's the same size as the PDA is annoying. :p

Like I mentioned earlier, the T3 seems like it's for a different market then the UX.

<]=)

[sonicboy]

one and a half words for you sir...

BUILT-IN

[JackAxe]

*LOL*

<]=)

[Ethan]

Me Like UX,
Me Packaging Victim,
Me no like T3 Design...

I have to slide open the T3 just so I can enjoy Hi-Res+?

[rened]

Originally posted by JackAxe


Then why not just buy the UX if you want the keyboard and WIFI? :)

Carring around an extra keyboard that's the same size as the PDA is annoying. :p

Like I mentioned earlier, the T3 seems like it's for a different market then the UX.

<]=)

Did i say i would buy the T3? :-) Comparing $400 to $700 is too simple. To state it differently: this thread would be there if i was the only one that sees the similarity between the UX50 and the TT3.

[JackAxe]

Nope, you did not not say you would buy it.

I'll rephrase my question:
Why would anbody interested in a keyboard and WiFi equpped PDA with $700 to spend buy a T3 and add all the extras making it a hassle to carry around?

And like you already mentioned, it would have a camera. Not important, but it is fun. It also makes for a quick imput when one is to lazy to write a number down. :rolleyes: :)

I think people who liked the idea of a T series Clié with VG would be interested in a T3. But then again, they didn't like the iQue, so maybe they are waiting for a SONY version.

I'm not refering to you, rened.
I wonder why people who have absolutely no interest in buying a UX would search out a UX forum on the web just to compare it to another PDA. I guess it's their time and they do keep things interesting.

<]=)

[riversen]

I am here because I am interested in the UX, but have become more and more worried that the size of screen will be a huge issue. If it is workable and the price drops after 3 to 5 months, I will probably consider buying one. I do like the idea of the TT3, too, so I am torn. I just wanted everyone to know, since I am leaning toward the TT3 right now.

[Azxel]

hey! this is Cliesource! All T users should be persecuted! hehe.. just kidding

UX wins hands down... design, form, functionality, ultrakewlness (except for the price), Clie's have always been worshipped, not only by me but by a lot of people

T3 would I buy cos it would probably be cheaper
now if only the T3 had a jerk dial... i meant jog dial

the future cant be changed, only delayed (as it was shown in the other T3 which wasnt helmed by Cameron), so no matter what PDA you buy, you're gonna buy a new one really soon... haha

[sonicboy]

screen aint small, that is NX user propaganda..

and it aint too dim etc etc etc bla bla bla

[hucsman]

Ok... I like the idea that people turn their heads to see ME and not my weird gadget...
And of course I´m a T3 fan! I ended up in this thread because I did a search for TT3. The $300 worth of extras are not something I want on a PDA. I just want a good screen, lots of RAM, and a high speed processor. I DON´T want to be forced to buy a keyboard and a camera because they are built-in and there´s nothing I can do about it.

[sonicboy]

dont want the UX? good for you mate, now move along to a palm forum. and twiddle thumbs for 6 months with the other T3 fan boys. :D

as for turning their heads to see YOU.. what are you a cosplayer or something? well people turn heads to see fashion and sony CLIEs are the most fashionable designs in handhelds I have encountered..

[hucsman]

Dude...whatever.

[sonicboy]

lol

[robrecht]

Originally posted by JackAxe
Why is the T3 being compared to the UX when it doesn't have a built in keyboard, camera, or Wifi?

The T3 seems to be fore a completely different market then the UX.

T3 is being compared with UX-40 not UX-50.&nbsp; Personally, unfortunately, I have no present need for built in WiFi.

I have little interest in a built-in novelty camera--adds bulk with little&nbsp;value.

I haven't completely ruled out the advantage of the built-in thumboard on the UX models and would like to try it out--it looks like a very&nbsp;good thumboard, but I'm disappointed that there is no option for a full-size keyboard&nbsp;which is much more useful to me for much of what I do.

Definite differences but not a completely different market.

[robrecht]

Originally posted by JackAxe
[B]I think people who liked the idea of a T series Clié with VG would be interested in a T3. But then again, they didn't like the iQue, so maybe they are waiting for a SONY version.
...

I wonder why people who have absolutely no interest in buying a UX would search out a UX forum on the web just to compare it to another PDA. I guess it's their time and they do keep things interesting.

I would definitely consider a T-series with VG--too bad SONY hasn't come out with one yet.

iQue does not have SDIO and it's huge, but I'm still considering it for my wife's car.

I do have some interest in a UX ... might even buy one but need to&nbsp;use it first before I decide.

Relax, man.