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Atomic Chicken

07-17-2003, 04:31 PM

Greetings everyone!

I have been reading the threads regarding the new UX50 with great interest. Part of this is due to my unwavering devotion to Sony products, and the other reason is that I just purchased an NX80 only 2 days ago.

After replacing my SJ30 with the NX80, I was of the opinion that it just couldn't get any better. The NX80 was truly my portable dream machine, containing everything I wanted (other than Wi-fi, which I easily added by purchasing Sony's CF Wi-fi card!). I was so excited I could hardly contain myself!

My excitement turned to apprehension, however, upon hearing about the forthcoming UX50. Even though I can return my NX80 if I want, I have actually grown to really LOVE the little machine and hate exchanges/refunds anyway just on general principle. I eagerly awaited further information on the UX50 - and read everything I could find.

Now that most of the details are known, I would like to give my own impressions of the UX50, and why I am breathing a sigh of relief (yup - you guessed it - I am NOT going to exchange my beloved NX80 for a UX!).

My first thoughts are that Sony completely missed a GOLDEN opportunity with the landscape display. In my personal opinion, they could have made a swivel setup that would have left the keypad in the traditional "palm" form factor (I.E. "Vertical Portrait") and had the display flip open to be landscape. That way, it would still be easy to hold in the hand while typing with the other hand. The way Sony did it, on the otherhand, makes it more difficult to hold than a normal palm device (and there really is NO arguing this point - no matter how ergonomic, etc. a wide device is more difficult to hold than a slim vertical device). I would have expected more vision from Sony in this regard.

My second thought is that doing away with the CF slot is a MAJOR mistake by Sony. Even though I only use my Wi-fi card in the NX80 CF slot, I personally feel that it is one of the neatest things that Sony did for the NX series. Allowing the use of after-market and alternate vendor memory and modem solutions should have been an "open-sourcing" move for Sony, which could do wonders for their future growth and acceptance. By removing this excellent feature, I fear that Sony is moving farther toward close source, proprietary hardware that will be harder for the general public to accept and adopt. Seeing that Sony has incorporated a new processor designed by in-house engineering further strengthens this impression - and I personally want NOTHING to do with with this proprietary closed market garbage. Sony is already on my $#!T list for not releasing their CF API's, and these 2 moves on the UX just infuriate me all the more.

Third thing I reflected on - the camera. I am surprised at how many people on this forum say something like "the camera is not that big of a deal to me" or "doesn't interest me that much" or "is not a feature I use". I personally feel that the camera is one of the finest features of the Clie machines, making my NX80 the SUPERLATIVE vacation machine. Going on a trip, there is no longer a need to carry a long a digital camera, a separate palm device, and a laptop back at the hotel to download everything into and seam it together for a trip log. Now, everything fits in a shirt pocket, and voice dictation just makes the whole process that much nicer! Professionals who travel a lot should ABSOLUTELY look at Clie devices for the camera and voice recorder purposes alone - nevermind all the other wonderful features!

This is the reason that I find a 0.3 Mpixel camera on the new UX50 to be such a surprising letdown. Recent sony handhelds seem to be upping the quality of the digital camera incrementally, and then this? What are you thinking Sony? I realize that to some people the camera is just a little widget or piece of fluff - but to many, many other people it is one of the nicest features of the Clie devices! I can only hope that in the future Sony will come out with a UX model that has a decent 2 or 3 Mpixel camera built in.

Wireless thoughts - WAY TO GO on this one! They actually did it right and incorporated Bluetooth AND Wi-Fi into the unit itself. This is the single saving grace of the UX series, as far as I can see. 3-D application launcher? Whatever. Connectivity is what the modern world is about - and wireless is the wave of the future. The UX series is the first handheld I am aware of that incorporates both standard wireless interfaces into the same device, without add-in cards. Excellent.

Battery thoughts - removable batteries are a GODSEND. Please, please, please Sony - make this standard for all future Clie modes. In fact, please release an NX80 type Clie with removable batteries - I will buy 3 for myself! I have NEVER liked the idea of a rechargable battery that cannot be removed - even if it is long life like the excellent Clie batteries. The ONLY thing that kept me in a dilema regarding whether to buy an NZ90 or an NX80 was the NZ90's removable battery pack - the NX80 beats it hands down on EVERY other feature (other than camera, but 1.3 Mpixel vs. 2.0 Mpixel is not that much of a difference, and was a wash for me).

Keyboard - I like the looks of the UX50 keyboard, but I have already fallen in love with the NX80 keyboard too! This one would be a wash to me - I think both would be equally servicable (at least for my very limited keyboarding needs - I prefer Graffiti anyway!)

Final thoughts - Although the UX50 looks like a great new addition to the Clie lineup, I personally will be sticking with my NX80 and won't be even slightly tempted to "upgrade". This is not due to "I don't like anything new" mentality, but rather due to the dissapointment I feel regarding the "improved" UX50 hardware.

Sony.... my favorite electronics company.... I expected so much more of you. Maybe next time!

Best wishes everyone,
Bawko

madmaxmedia

07-17-2003, 04:45 PM

I don't consider it an upgrade over existing NX models, it's simply a different model. If they corrected what you don't like, then you'd just end up with your exact NX80 with Wi-Fi and BT. But this is a UX, not an NX! ;)

The NX is the do-it-all model line, this is somewhat more specialized IMO. It's for people who will do a lot of web and email, which suits the landscape mode. The NX has landscape, but you can't type while viewing in landscape mode, unless you crane your neck sideways.

I actually don't want a camera at all, then again I'm a photo enthusiast and use a Canon digital SLR. I owned a Zire 71 for 2 weeks, and stopped using the camera after 3 days. I think they tried keeping size down with the UX, so went with the smaller camera. Which makes it less usable, but at least you can do little web snapshots I guess.

Atomic Chicken

07-17-2003, 04:59 PM

MadMaxMedia,
Thanks for posting a reply!
Actually, you missed a few things in my post or misunderstood them.
If Sony implemented what I suggested, I would NOT end up with an NX80 with Wi-Fi and Bluetooth, but rather:

An NX80 with a landscape mode (or even better - a dual landscape/portrait mode!) screen. It would have removable battery packs, built in Wi-Fi and Bluetooth, a CF slot, a 2-3 Mpixel camera, and probably a USB port as well (although I forgot to mention that in my original posting!). I understand your point about the UX being for different purposes - email and web browsing, etc., but by doing things a little differently Sony could have covered both market segments with a single excellent device!

As for the camera, I understand your desire to carry a separate high quality digital camera - I use a Sony DSC-P92 myself. My point is that by incorporating the camera into the Clie device, it makes a GREAT shirt pocket vacation machine when you want to go out and enjoy the local culture without lugging around a bag full of electronics (and worry about being mugged to boot!). I prefer my Sony DSC-P72 digital camera or my Canon film camera when high quality photos really matter, but for day trip vacation stuff I really like the idea of a built-in Clie camera.

Best regards,
Bawko

stronggeek

07-17-2003, 05:34 PM

Atomic Chicken, valid points- all of them!

I too have nx80 and know I made the right choice!

I will now sit back and wait to see os6 will offer!

EPSOLON

07-17-2003, 05:41 PM

soo much writing i got nausea

dannyboy

07-17-2003, 05:49 PM

I agree with madmaxmedia.. it's a just different device aimed at people who DO like that form factor. The fact is that NX 73/80 is already out - I'm sure Sony would want to capture more new sales rather than cannibalising a recently launched product. What good does it do if people start returning NXs and get the "perfect" UX (if it indeed was)?

I'm not sure I like it yet until I get my hands on one, but I applaud Sony for revolutionising a dated design.

madmaxmedia

07-17-2003, 06:12 PM

That's true, a 1.3 MP camera will actually give you decent small prints, a 640 x 480 won't.

I don't get your point about the keyboard and landscape mode. I can see the good points of the NX configuration, but the problem is that you can't sit down and edit a document or browse the web in landscape screen view, because the keyboard is not oriented the same way. So that's why they made the landscape screen and keyboard with the UX.

The things you would like in your post, are things that should go into the NX90!

intruder

07-17-2003, 06:13 PM

just one thought wanders through my head... why one earth would you take your palm or your laptop to a vacation? i don't even take my cell phone with me when i go on a vacation trip!

stronggeek

07-17-2003, 06:21 PM

Originally posted by madmaxmedia

I don't get your point about the keyboard and landscape mode. I can see the good points of the NX configuration, but the problem is that you can't sit down and edit a document or browse the web in landscape screen view, because the keyboard is not oriented the same way. So that's why they made the landscape screen and keyboard with the UX.

The things you would like in your post, are things that should go into the NX90!

This should be an option than made availble to the user/

Landsxape or portrait.

Yea, I want both!

TheZodiac

07-17-2003, 06:30 PM

Im thinking sony will be revealing more than one model of the UX line (at least one) this year alone. Given their track record for just this year - its probable, though I have no hard evidence to back that up.

I also think they will be introdicing more MSio products - though with the Clie's having most  i/o fuctions built in, the only other option would be a GSM solution - possibly a GPRS or both.

Iwas going to buy one ASAP upon avialibility - but Im going to trust my guy instincts and wait for the UX model with the higher specs :-D

Thank you goodnight we love you all.    

Atomic Chicken

07-17-2003, 08:19 PM

MadMaxMedia,

Thanks again for the reply!
Yes... the 1.3 Mpixel camera is decidedly superior to the 0.3 Mpixel.
My point on the landscape screen is this:

Sony could have made it so that the keyboard fit in your hand like a standard palm device, sort of like an NX70 or NX80, but the SCREEN would flip up in a landscape mode (sideways) orientation. This would give the user the best of both worlds - ease of holding, combined with the viewscreen similar to a standard monitor or laptop.

Or, as Stronggeek pointed out, it could be made so that it is a user option, whichever way the user wanted to orient the screen based on his/her preference (I like that idea a LOT!).

Best wishes,
Bawko

Atomic Chicken

07-17-2003, 08:24 PM

Intruder,

The reason I would want to take a palm on vacation with me is that:

A - I would like to take photos while I am in a new place, and combine that with notes or voice recording or something to tell me exactly what it is that I took pictures of (since I don't have a perfect memory!)

B - I would like to be able to have access to all my contact information, etc. in case I want to call someone on the road

C - I would like to be able to read e-books when in the hotel or tent late at night before falling asleep, and

D - I work as an independent consulting engineer, and occasionally find new contacts when traveling that could turn into future business opportunities. It is nice to be able to add them to my contacts list, and possibly show them examples of past work.

Keeping in touch via email is a bonus too, but like yourself I would NEVER take a mobile phone with me on vacation so WiFi hotspots would have to do (which, thankfully, the NX80 supports!).

Best regards,
Bawko

Atomic Chicken

07-17-2003, 08:34 PM

Dannyboy,
You state in your reply:

"I'm not sure I like it yet until I get my hands on one, but I applaud Sony for revolutionising a dated design."

Perhaps you are seeing something that I am missing? What, exactly, did sony revolutionize? I don't see anything in the UX50 that is particularly revolutionary - unless you are saying that for a Clie device it is revolutionary (which I would also probably disagree with as well).

The form factor has been done before by both Sharp and older HP palmtops. The integration of a camera with a small laptop-like device was done with Sony picturebooks. The elimination of the CF slot is a MAJOR step backward, and inclusion of Sony's own proprietary processor seems to me like a step toward closed source marketing on Sony's part to try and monopolize their part of the industry. The screen is smaller than other Clie devices, and the digital camera has the lowest resolution of any Clie device yet introduced. The replaceable battery packs are nice, but the NZ90 already has that feature.

From what I can see, the only truly revolutionary thing that the UX offers is the inclusion of both Bluetooth and WiFi integrated into the same device, but even that is possible using add-in cards and memory sticks with existing models (not to mention the integrated bluetooth capabilities of the NZ90 and TG50).

I may be looking at this whole thing from somewhat of a negative viewpoint, please let me know if there is something that I am missing, but for now I just don't see anything about the UX50 that is particularly groundbreaking or revolutionary.

Best regards,
Bawko

riversen

07-17-2003, 08:46 PM

I like the new PDA a lot, but the new Tungsten T2 looks very nice and will be out in stores tomorrow. It runs the much faster processor 400 Mhz and has 32 Meg's of Ram (25 usable), and the Palm OS 5.2. I am torn right now, but if the proprietary thing with Sony may drive me away... I do love my T665, though. :confused:

MicroMadHouse

07-17-2003, 08:51 PM

I would certainly have put this fine machine on my shopping list instantly but for the poor camera - I have an NX70v and my most fun use of the Clie is the camera/vid camera - i long thought to upgrade to nz90 but thought to hold on and see what comes up. The UX50 looks awesome, the camera is a let down and I will wait for sony to come out with more camera upgrades before I go right into buying a new clie.

This is almost close to the dream fanstasy machine, which would include now: (obviously a better camera/ video camera)

Mobile phone
GPRS
Tv/Radio tuner

everythng on the check list is getting ticked off one by one!
maybe in a few years time the dream will come true, but UX50 is very sweet, not getting it though until theres a camera worthile on it, no need for an upgrade from the NX-70 for me, still waiting...

dannyboy

07-17-2003, 09:46 PM

i guess i was referencing more of the clie line of pda when i made that statement. i'm not familiar with sharp and hp palmtops - did these ran the palm OS? i was under the impression that this device is the first palm OS landscape implementation, but i could be wrong...

Indeed the UX doesn't really have any groundbreaking improvements technology wise, but i think in terms of design, it does a good job of incorporating a bigger keyboard (i like the additional number keys), wireless capabilities, camera (albeit a pathetic one), all in a sleek form factor smaller than my nx70.

i guess saying that it's a revolutionary design is a stretch, but honestly, i've never seen anything quite like it (and does all the things it does), which is why i made the statement). i'm not asking anyone to like the design, but i would give it a chance.

Atomic Chicken

07-17-2003, 10:07 PM

Dannyboy,

Again - let me state that I am probably being a little bit negative toward the UX50. I guess I was expecting so much more considering the incredible job Sony did on the NX80.

Yes, I think what you say is true regarding the Sharp and HP palmtops - I don't think they ran PalmOS (In fact, I'm almost certain they didn't!). If this is the first implementation of a landscape mode screen on a PalmOS device, then I guess you could say that it is "revolutionary".

This is what I personally would define as a "revolutionary" Clie device:

1 - The ability to turn the screen to either landscape or portrait mode, and have the OS detect and compensate for whichever you choose.

2 - Removeable/replaceable battery packs, similar to NZ-90, but with longer life (35 hours of MP3 sounds about right - heh heh!)

3 - KEEP THE CF SLOT. Sony, are you listening? KEEP THE CF SLOT. This is the most blatent, incredibly STUPID thing that Sony did when they created the UX50 - WHY???? WHY????? Sony - WHY?????

4 - Integrated Bluetooth, WiFi, and GPRS. Make it as universal as possible with ALL current wireless communications standards - and DEFINITELY support further inclusion of IR into all Clie devices.

5 - Integrate a GPS receiver, or make a CF card adapter that allows this to be added. Or, do the logical thing and OPEN UP THE CF API - ARE YOU LISTENING, SONY?

6 - Inclusion of an FM tuner to go along with the MP3, along with the ability to record FM to MP3 files would ROCK!!!!!!

7 - Inclusion of a decent (2-3 MPixel) camera, along with support for at least 320x240 (preferably 640X480) video recording at 30fps.

8 - Bring back an option for Graffiti 1, or Graffiti 2 - user selectable.

9 - Make it the same approx. size and weight as an NX70 or NX80, when folded up.

10 - Add a USB port, and NOT only for PC Hotsync, but also to support external devices like digital cameras, external drives, or scanners.

11 - Same size or larger screen as NX series Clie devices, NOT smaller.

If the UX50 had all of this, it would be my dream machine.... for that matter, even half of these features combined with what the NX80 already has would be enough to make me want to upgrade.

Just my own opinion, not an end-all list by any means!

Best regards,
Bawko

jetro

07-17-2003, 10:25 PM

Atomic chicken,

I totally agree with your "proprietary closed market garbage" thoughts on sony. It becomes more obvious on this new device. If sony doesnt change their path towards this it'll be their downfall.

I've been wanting to replace my T665 but didn't like what sony has to offer after this. I know when the NX73/NX80 came out that another radically new clie will be released. Like you, I'm disappointed with UX50. Maybe because I too have a very high expectation with sony.

sony, KEEP THE CF SLOT!

n2ifp

07-17-2003, 10:33 PM

With the integrated WiFi, Sony can keep it's bloody CF slot :D!

Atomic Chicken

07-17-2003, 10:58 PM

Larry....

You admit that you ENJOY paying way too much for 1GB memory cards? Or are you saying that you like being locked into a proprietary memory card format that only Sony and Sony Approved (TM) manufacturers can make (as long as they don't price them too low - heh!!) ? Or is it just that you hate the idea of an open format expansion capability which allows you to add things like modems, alternate vendor memory card adapters, micro drives, and GPS receivers?

Just wondering.....
Bawko

dannyboy

07-17-2003, 11:53 PM

i'm on the fence for this one - if sony were to release their apis to the CF Slot, i'd say it's a loss to omit it... if a CF slot were to be added to the UX just for storage purposes, i'd say sony can keep it, since it'll add substantial girth to an already thick device.

i dun enjoy paying way too much for flash memory, but adding features usually increases a device's size, which diminishes the portability factor quickly.

hope the UX will spawn healthy competition to create the perfect device sooner.

Pekkle168

07-18-2003, 03:51 AM

Hehehe.. You guys really have a lot of thoughts for Sony.

Personally, after reading all your comments about what you like to have on a UX50, I would think it would be a very bulky clie to be usefull.. UX50 is designed to be slim while useable in every aspect of the fucntions. yes, I agree the camera do suck a little, but hey, I have a NX70V, and if I am right, I believe the NX73 also have a 0.3Megapixle camera. so personally, I really hate the NX80 camera. (btw, I can exchange my NX70 to a NX80 if I wanted to) but the camera lens is just too big to look pretty. they should have released the NX80 in black and the NX73 in silver, that way they will hide some of the uglyness of the big ugly lense that they have.. personally, the only good thing about the NX80V's camera is taking stills. which is a plus, but if you also taking video shots.. it's as good as a NX70/NX73 or even the new UX50.

My point? UX50 is really going for the slim down all-in one unit. and I am sure the next UX series is already in the design if not already in beta. so AtomicChicken, yes you might get your wish with a CF build in and a new higher pixle camera.. but only time will tell. ;)

Oh, btw, I am not against anyones claim... it just my 2 cents.. don't flame me.. :D

ssulux

07-18-2003, 05:09 AM

at this moment, i have to say that ux50 is a "head turn" and "wow" machine because of its new design as of sharp zaurus.

it seems to me that appearance of this ux50 is exceeded its performance/utility.

its landscape screen and built in wifi/bt would be an advantage.

same as nz and tg series, i just feel that this ux is simply not for me, but i am sure that there's a market outhere for this ux.

i'm just hoping that sony could add the selectable screen mode to my nx80. about wifi, i already have ms bt and cf wifi (although built in would be nice as an addition to my nx).

to fight to T|C, why don't sony just simply release the nx80 with 400mhz proc and 64mb ram? and where's the hires+ t series?

ssulux

07-18-2003, 05:14 AM

i forget to mention that i don't like a square pda.
it is too wierd for me.
sony....., don't make wider pdas plzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

ssulux

07-18-2003, 05:28 AM

actually, larry's avatar (the prototype of ux50) dimension/size is much accepatble to me than the real ux50 dimension. i'm not talking about the finishing material of the product, just the shape.

Atomic Chicken

07-18-2003, 04:41 PM

Pekkle168,
What is it that you don't like about the NX80's camera? It is small, unobtrusive, rolls back out of sight easily, has variable angle for stealth photography, and has a built in dust cover/DL filter. Takes great photos too!
Just curious what you don't like....
Bawko

madmaxmedia

07-18-2003, 04:57 PM

The most significant thing that bothered me about the UX is the smaller screen size. The second is the price. Finally, portrait mode should have been included. Everything else I am basically cool with.

I don't care about CF, only because I know Sony wants people to buy their memory sticks. Eventually MS Pro media will drop in price, even if it will always be more expensive than CF.

I mean CF would have been nice, but then the unit would be too big. And like I said, I'm sure the decision to only have MS slot comes from higher ups at Sony.

jlczl

07-18-2003, 05:22 PM

I would have to disagree with you about the NZ90 not having anything over the NX80 except for it's camera. It has built in BT, it has a removable battery, it has an ultra slim pack anywhere USB cradle (that has connections to view pics and movies directly from it to your TV), it has better looks with the black case (I think the camera module on the NX80 actually looks a bit plasticy), and I'm sure there is other points I can't think of right now. At any rate, these are many of the extras you want. They are available now................in an NZ90.

JVG

randy_m

07-18-2003, 05:51 PM

Funny, but ever since I got an iPod, I don't care about the MP3 player on my NX60. I didn't buy the NX70, because I wouldn't use that camera in a million years (I have a 3.2 MP Sony DSC70). I bought Eurware's driver and a 256 MB CF card, but I realized I don't have much use for it (since my camera uses MS), so it's in a drawer now.

What I do need is an excellent PIM that can run my SpashID, Pocket Qucken and Palm apps and occasional WiFi surfing. I'm becoming increasingly frustrated with the HUGE lump the NX makes in the pocket of my Dockers, and forget about using a shirt pocket!

To tell the truth, I miss my little N610C and its form factor.

What I want is an OS5.x machine with NO camera, NO MP3 player, and NO keyboard (graffiti is fine with me).

I'd like it to be HiRes for games, etc. and VG would be a plus.

How about a T-series form factor with OS5 and VG?

If I didn't have a fair investment in Memory Sticks, I'd sure be looking at Palm's offerings......

dannyboy

07-18-2003, 10:19 PM

Originally posted by ssulux
actually, larry's avatar (the prototype of ux50) dimension/size is much accepatble to me than the real ux50 dimension. i'm not talking about the finishing material of the product, just the shape.

I think Larry's avatar is a little deceiving. I too thought the shape was more squarish at first but I looked a little closer and realized it was held at an angle...

sindu

07-19-2003, 08:41 AM

Landscape, BT, WIFI, and a good keyboard would warrant me to get the UX on my shopping list.

TheZodiac

07-19-2003, 09:55 AM

Originally posted by dannyboy

I think Larry's avatar is a little deceiving. I too thought the shape was more squarish at first but I looked a little closer and realized it was held at an angle...

You are correct -such tricks the eyes play on  us... or it is us playing the tricks on ourselves?

elf

07-19-2003, 10:34 AM

I would have to take issue with the comment that it is difficult to hold a device in landscape mode and that portrait mode is the preferred configuration.

I used a Handspring Visor is landscape mode for over two years once I discovered FlipHack and FlipGrafittiHack. I found it the most comfortable and natural position for reading e-books and doing everything else.

When I got my SJ33 I discovered that both those hacks did not work on the HiRes screen :( so i had to revert back to using a PDA in portrait mode (even if the hacks had worked, the flip cover would have gotten in the way if used in landscape mode).

scientist

09-04-2003, 02:42 PM

personally i am surprised sony could sell one single NX model. it looks so counter intuitive to say the least. a brick that opens vertically...wht a dumb idea that was..which could take ur picture! even a dumber idea :)) i think a fm/am radio is much more in line for a communicating device..
UX is a right step. just it has defects people have complained about. i think in a year, we will have a near perfect Ux ;]

Hakaida

09-04-2003, 03:02 PM

Atomic Chicken,

You can argue your points forever. It still comes down to personal preference. Some like what you like, so they agree. Other's don't like what you like, so they disagree.

For example, I disagree with your original statement that there is "no arguing the point" that the UX orientation is harder to type on the the NX. That is also a matter of personal preference. There is always a different opinion that is just as valid to someone else.

lostether

09-04-2003, 03:09 PM

Originally posted by Atomic Chicken

An NX80 with a landscape mode (or even better - a dual landscape/portrait mode!) screen. It would have removable battery packs, built in Wi-Fi and Bluetooth, a CF slot, a 2-3 Mpixel camera, and probably a USB port as well (although I forgot to mention that in my original posting!). I understand your point about the UX being for different purposes - email and web browsing, etc., but by doing things a little differently Sony could have covered both market segments with a single excellent device!

It's quite possible you are describing the next NZ! With the NX80 they managed to squeeze in some nice improvements and maybe even reduced the size a bit. And certainly no one is going to complain about the weight of the NX80. If Sony takes the same approach with the new NZ we sill see a somewhat smaller, lighter machine with much improved battery life, a 2-3 mega pixel camera, most of the functionality you desire (except maybe a USB host port) and probably some other amazing things. I wouldn't be surprised if it had higher resolution video capture at 30 FPS as well, and probably video out through the cradle.

guinness

09-04-2003, 03:42 PM

There's only so much that Sony can fit into this device for $600-700, if they put in everything you wanted, they would be no room left to improve and then people would longer buy any future models. If Sony did include a CF slot, they'd figure out a way to cripple it so that it doesn't cut into the MS sales too much. I'm more like the users that want the tablet-style PDA with VG, I don't want the camera, I have a 3 megapixel Olympus that will beat any camera Sony can include, and the built-in camera just seems like an expensive gimmick.

The T3 sounds like it would be closer to want I would want; a higher res screen, with VG, but Palm will figure out a way to cripple that some way too.

If Sony released a Clie with a tablet form factor, no crummy camera, and fully functional CF slot, I'd probably consider that over a getting another PPC or a Palm.

Atomic Chicken

09-04-2003, 05:31 PM

Hakaida,

Regarding your post:

You can argue your points forever. It still comes down to personal preference. Some like what you like, so they agree. Other's don't like what you like, so they disagree.
For example, I disagree with your original statement that there is "no arguing the point" that the UX orientation is harder to type on the the NX. That is also a matter of personal preference. There is always a different opinion that is just as valid to someone else.

First of all, I agree with you 100% about personal preference.
Secondly, You have misquoted me and taken what I said out of context. My original quote:

That way, it would still be easy to hold in the hand while typing with the other hand. The way Sony did it, on the otherhand, makes it more difficult to hold than a normal palm device (and there really is NO arguing this point - no matter how ergonomic, etc. a wide device is more difficult to hold than a slim vertical device). I would have expected more vision from Sony in this regard.

Said nothing about being "harder to type on" than the NX. I was only saying that it is easier to hold a slim vertical thing than a wide horizontal thing. Take a calculator for instance: It is easier to hold it in one hand in the normal manner than to turn it sideways and try to hold it. The hand has to "twist" in order to hold it horizontally. That is why I said there was "NO arguing this point" - it is simply a matter of the physics of the hand.

Just wanted to clear that up, otherwise I agree with you - so many of these things are subjective. Some people think the UX50 is the greatest thing since sliced onions, others feel the same about the NX80. A friend of mine thinks the SJ30 is the nicest to hold and use, it really is a matter of preference.

Best regards,
Bawko

lostether

09-04-2003, 06:02 PM

Personal preference is right, and I would prefer to own one of each :D

lank5893

09-04-2003, 06:28 PM

Originally posted by lostether

And certainly no one is going to complain about the weight of the NX80.

Sure they will and sure they have. The NX80 weighs 8 oz. That is heavy. Too heavy! Many people believe 6 oz is the max before a pda starts to become heavy.

Lucan

Hakaida

09-04-2003, 06:58 PM

Atomic Chicken,

Thanks for the reply. And, I'm glad you're happy with our NX80! My wife and her staff just bought a bunch of those and I'm getting to "teach" them how to use the Clie.

And, lostether, that was very funny, indeed! I might say, I'd like one of each....at least one for each day of the week...okay, maybe not Sunday. I'll just kick back and relax with no electronic gadgets that day. LOL!

Atomic Chicken

09-04-2003, 08:03 PM

Hakaida,

Originally posted by Hakaida
Atomic Chicken,
Thanks for the reply. And, I'm glad you're happy with our NX80! My wife and her staff just bought a bunch of those and I'm getting to "teach" them how to use the Clie.
And, lostether, that was very funny, indeed! I might say, I'd like one of each....at least one for each day of the week...okay, maybe not Sunday. I'll just kick back and relax with no electronic gadgets that day. LOL!

Thank you :)

I would have replied sooner, but I don't make it over to the UX forum that often - I should check here more often! As for the lostether post, I also would like one of each - an NX80 and a European NX73 with Bluetooth :D

Best regards,
Bawko

satler

09-05-2003, 12:11 PM

Can Atomic Chicken and anyone else who has a NX80 tell me if confiuguring WiFi on that device to a particular hot spot is easy compared to the sniffer technology of the UX50. After these recent series of posts, I realize that the UX50 may not be right for me. Can someone comment how easy web browsing and e-mail are on the NX 80. Thanks.
Nathan Satler

Atomic Chicken

09-05-2003, 04:18 PM

satler,

Assuming the WiFi hotspot is not using WEP encryption, the configuration is pretty easy. I fired my NX80 up at a newly discovered local coffee shop with free WiFi internet access, and it took me all of 2 minutes to be "up and browsing".

While the search feature of the UX50 sounds pretty good, you have to realize that unless you already have permission from the WiFi site owner to log on to their network, it is ILLEGAL to "sniff" an open node and use it to browse - not that such a thing would likely be prosecuted to begin with. Maybe it is one of those features that sounds better in theory than in actual practice? I don't know - it could be useful.

Best regards,
Bawko

sonicboy

09-05-2003, 09:04 PM

OMG

sonicboy

09-05-2003, 09:05 PM

you havn't even seen one yet mate!

Atomic Chicken

09-05-2003, 09:23 PM

Greetings!

sonicboy - do you mean I haven't even seen a European NX73? Or a UX50?

Either way, it doesn't matter. The only difference between the European NX73 and the American one is the Bluetooth, from what I've read. As for the UX50, I was just speculating as to the usefulness of the WiFi sniffing - I said it might be useful, and it might not. I didn't mean to imply anything else - if anything else was read into my post.

Thanks,
Bawko

sonicboy

09-06-2003, 01:54 AM

er, it is very usefull.. :D

stick with your NX, you have no reason to get upset that there is a better model.. your post is fever pitch mate, chill out its just tech

Atomic Chicken

09-06-2003, 04:41 AM

Sonicboy,

Originally posted by sonicboy
er, it is very usefull.. :D

stick with your NX, you have no reason to get upset that there is a better model.. your post is fever pitch mate, chill out its just tech

I assume you mean the WiFi sniffing is useful? Cool! How do you use it? Mainly to look for WiFi hotspots, or to make sure your own network is working right?

Sticking with my NX is sort of a given - when I started this thread I pretty much said I would :D

No reason for me to get upset that there is a better model? Why should I be? I haven't seen a better model yet :D

Seriously though... the UX is probably better for what you use a handheld for, the NX is definitely better for what I use a handheld for. Isn't it great that we live in a world where we have such a wide range of choices and can find exactly the right thing that works for us? I think so!

Best wishes,
Bawko

P.S. I don't quite understand the "chill out" part of your post, I wasn't hot about anything :)

Mr_McGadget

09-06-2003, 09:56 AM

I also recently bought a NX80v. I do lust after the built in bluetooth and WiFi (I hate carrying around cards with me).

For me the major factor was apps. I like the HiRes + apps, but they are all currently designed around portrait mode. I figure it will take a few months for them to come out with support for the landscape mode. There are more than just Sony apps out there!

Until then I would be back to a 320x320 screen with a silkscreen area on the side. I do a lot of e-book reading and could probably adapt to the ergonomics of holding it widthwise, but I want to use the full screen.

Still, I can't wait till the UX50 comes to stores so I can play with it and see how it really looks and feels!

sonicboy

09-07-2003, 05:40 AM

this thread is titled "My impressions" ....

your impressions on what exactly? what is it that you know that other people on the board dont? there are only a few of us here who have actually used a UX.. you are obviously trying to justify your NX purchase, what I want you to know is you dont have to.

Atomic Chicken

09-07-2003, 06:19 AM

sonicboy,

Originally posted by sonicboy
this thread is titled "My impressions" ....

your impressions on what exactly? what is it that you know that other people on the board dont? there are only a few of us here who have actually used a UX.. you are obviously trying to justify your NX purchase, what I want you to know is you dont have to.

I started this thread several weeks ago, right after purchasing my NX80. I became very interested in the UX50, because it was announced by Sony 2 days after I bought my NX80. I read everything posted by everyone who had any information on it, and I wrote the first post of this thread. It was simply my impressions of what the UX50 was, according to people who had information about it, how it compared to the NX80, where I personally thought Sony got it right, and where I thought they made mistakes in the design.

Why are you making an assumption that I am saying I know something that other people on the board don't? I didn't state that anywhere in any of my postings. I am an electrical and mechanical engineer, and I enjoy analyzing new designs and discussing aspects of those designs with other interested people.

As for trying to justify my NX80 purchase, that was not the reason I started this thread, nor is it my reason to continue posting on it. I don't have to "justify" my purchase to anyone but myself, I earned the money and I spent it - I couldn't care less what the rest of the world thinks of the transaction. I began this thread to simply do what the title says - share "my impressions" of the NX50. Nobody has to agree with me, and nobody even has to read what I posted.

I think you have a lot of nerve telling me what I am "obviously" trying to "justify". I also think you trying to provoke me or insult me for some reason. You make posts like:

er, it is very usefull..

stick with your NX, you have no reason to get upset that there is a better model.. your post is fever pitch mate, chill out its just tech

Then, when I ask you why it is useful, you reply with the latest post where you say I am trying to justify my NX80 purchase, and question why I would make my original post in the first place. You provide no useful information to anybody, only an attack on me and this thread.

If you don't like this thread, or me, then why don't you post your own? Why don't you share with everyone here your own impressions of the NX80, or the UX50, or your toaster, or how much your dog likes potato chips? Why do you have to find someone elses post and try and tear them down and tell them they are justifying something or other or ask them what "inside" information they have or whatever - without contributing anything meaningful?

Do you feel that because you are one of the lucky few people who actually own a UX50 that only YOU or other UX50 owners have the right to an opinion, impressions, etc. about the UX50, or are you just a mean spirited jerk?

I started this thread sharing what are, to this day, my own personal opinions of some of the technical aspects of the UX50 design. I did this without any motive for profit, without needing to "justify" anything, and without any bad feelings toward anybody on this board. The only reason I started it is that I enjoy sharing ideas and discussing designs, which for whatever reason you apparently have a problem with. Sir - kindly F**K off, and go play your insult games with someone else. I'm tired of your negative sleights.

Best regards,
Bawko

sonicboy

09-07-2003, 06:34 AM

yep, but I own a UX50 I dont need to justify my purchase and NEITHER DO YOU MATE, just enjoy your NX its a very good machine and will last you until the next time sony releases something shiny, judging from your posts it sounds like your trying to justify your purchase :P

"I bought this, then they released something better but I like the one I bought better cause I think the new oneis crap based on reading articles and looking at pictures"

its just you post huge volumes of text on a device you havn't even held or used.. once again, what is it that you know about the UX that others dont?

Atomic Chicken

09-07-2003, 06:41 AM

sonicboy,

You are reading a bunch of crap into my posts that I never posted in the first place.

Once again - and please read it this time:

I AM NOT TRYING TO JUSTIFY MY PURCHASE. I DON'T HAVE TO.
I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE UX50 THAT OTHER PEOPLE DON'T. I NEVER SAID I DID.

Is that clear?

Best regards,
Bawko

P.S. Holding a device and using it first-hand is NOT the only way a person can obtain information about it. There's this thing called reading specifications - perhaps you've heard of it?

sonicboy

09-07-2003, 06:47 AM

jeez, stop shouting mate I can read you :P

is what I said annoying because its true?

Atomic Chicken

09-07-2003, 06:55 AM

sonicboy,

Originally posted by sonicboy
jeez, stop shouting mate I can read you :P

You could have fooled me..... you didn't read it the first time I posted it, so I thought I'd say it again LOUDER.

is what I said annoying because its true?

No, what you said is annoying because you keep saying the same bull$h!t things over and over again, without listening to anything I say in reply, and you seem to have your head up your @$$ thinking I am trying to justify my NX80 or I think I know something nobody else does about the UX50. You are starting to sound like a broken record, MATE, and it is now ME who is starting to wonder if YOU have something you're trying to justify.

Feeling a little UX50 inferiority complex are ye, MATE?

Once again, kindly F**K off..... I'm tired of talking to a brick wall - and a rather stupid one at that.

Best regards,
Bawko

P.S. You're not my MATE, mate. Just my pain in the @SS for the evening.

sam fisher

09-07-2003, 07:00 AM

I read posts here all the time.
This bickering has caused me to register just so I could ask you to stop b**ch*** AtomicChicken.

Sonicboy, you're my hero.

AtomicChicke, you're an a$$ - go play with you NX80 and leave the rest of us alone.

Atomic Chicken

09-07-2003, 07:07 AM

Greetings!

Originally posted by sam fisher
I read posts here all the time.
This bickering has caused me to register just so I could ask you to stop b**ch*** AtomicChicken.

Sonicboy, you're my hero.

AtomicChicke, you're an a$$ - go play with you NX80 and leave the rest of us alone.

You certainly pick strange heros! Or are you your own hero? I think you know what I am implying.

Best regards,
Bawko

sam fisher

09-07-2003, 07:14 AM

Are you implying that "nobody" else could disagree with you and that this woudl "have" to be sonicboy. This clearly shows how paranoid and insecure you are of your purchase and more so how short sighted you are as an individual.

You've stated your opinion and that's fine. Some will agree, others will disagree. Leave it at that. Perhaps you could start a thread titlted "Bought and NX80 and think I made a mistake". Perhaps you'll find others there that you can form a support group with.

sonicboy

09-07-2003, 07:18 AM

Originally posted by Atomic Chicken
You certainly pick strange heros! Or are you your own hero? I think you know what I am implying.

Best regards,
Bawko well I know what your implying but fortunatly this board loggs IP adresses..

Atomic Chicken

09-07-2003, 07:23 AM

sam fisher,

Regarding this:

Originally posted by sam fisher
Are you implying that "nobody" else could disagree with you and that this woudl "have" to be sonicboy. This clearly shows how paranoid and insecure you are of your purchase and more so how short sighted you are as an individual.

You've stated your opinion and that's fine. Some will agree, others will disagree. Leave it at that. Perhaps you could start a thread titlted "Bought and NX80 and think I made a mistake". Perhaps you'll find others there that you can form a support group with.

Perhaps you could start a thread titled "How I went and attacked a guy on a forum and lost face - so I resorted to creating a new account to give the impression of someone else agreeing with me".

Paranoid? Shortsighted? No - I'm just looking at the facts. You seem to have the same "he bought an NX80 and now regrets it because I have a better UX50" kind of attitude as sonicboy (who we mysteriously haven't heard back from and who suddenly dropped off this forum users list the same time you appeared!).

I don't regret buying an NX80, and even if I did I could have exchanged it for a UX50 if I wanted to. I have no need to tear down the UX50, if you actually READ my first post on this thread you will see that I said quite a few good things about the UX50 - and made a lot of suggestions in later posts on how it could be improved.

Best regards,
Bawko

Atomic Chicken

09-07-2003, 07:29 AM

sonicboy,

Originally posted by sonicboy
well I know what your implying but fortunatly this board loggs IP adresses..

So what? IP addresses can be spoofed using several methods - it proves nothing. Ask any TCP/IP network engineer. Not that we have the logged IP address information at our disposal anyway - that's for the site administrators to see.

Best regards,
Bawko

sonicboy

09-07-2003, 07:30 AM

you havn't heard from me cause I got bored of reading your massive tantrum posts.. sam is not me, I am not sam.. can someone post IP logs please!

sam fisher

09-07-2003, 07:31 AM

AtomicChicken,
Why do you find it so hard to believe that someone else could disagree with you and agree with sonicboy?
This is what I suggest you do - go return your NX80 and use the money to get some psychotherapy to help you overcome your issues and build some self-esteem.

sonicboy

09-07-2003, 07:32 AM

ok, why not just move along to the NX forum, this is a UX forum and like I said, you know as much about the UX as anyone else on this board except a few people who have japanese models so what other line can I draw?

Atomic Chicken

09-07-2003, 07:35 AM

sonicboy,

I'm tired of reading your posts too. Can we both agree to let this thread die the death it deserves and stop going at each others throats?

You like your UX50, I like my NX80, I don't regret my purchase, you don't regret yours. I don't know anything about the UX50 that other people don't, and neither of us need to "justify" anything.

So what? What have we actually accomplished in this evenings heated debate? Have we contributed anything to the Clie community? I would say absolutely NOT.

Let's both just Pi$$ off and leave each other alone - agreed?

Best regards,
Bawko

sam fisher

09-07-2003, 07:38 AM

AtmoicChicken - good call. Bye bye.

Now I can enjoy spending a morning here reading intelligent posts.

Atomic Chicken

09-07-2003, 07:39 AM

sam fisher,

Originally posted by sam fisher
AtomicChicken,
Why do you find it so hard to believe that someone else could disagree with you and agree with sonicboy?
This is what I suggest you do - go return your NX80 and use the money to get some psychotherapy to help you overcome your issues and build some self-esteem.

I don't find it so hard to believe that you are sonicboy, and I don't really find it that hard to believe that you are not. It seems like quite a coincidence, though, the way the posts happened. Maybe you are sonicboy, maybe you aren't. My bet is that you are, though.

This is what I think we ALL should do. Let this thread die - it is counterproductive to everyone involved. I'm sick of it, both (or one) of you are (is) sick of it, and it isn't getting anybody involved anywhere good.

Best regards,
Bawko

sonicboy

09-07-2003, 07:40 AM

I mean its not like I come into the NX forum and say "THE UX50 IS BETTER FOR MY NEEDS"

oh good, gald its all settled now

I will now watch this thread slowly drift under the snow

psycho

09-07-2003, 07:41 AM

Atomic Chicken, may I ask one more question?

Where did you get the impression that "the hand has to "twist" in order to hold it horizontally"? Based on specifications?

Atomic Chicken

09-07-2003, 07:43 AM

psycho,

No - physiology.

Best wishes,
Bawko

sonicboy

09-07-2003, 07:44 AM

now theres 3 of me.. and the thread is not dying :P

sorry

sonicboy

09-07-2003, 07:46 AM

uzai naaa, damare!

Atomic Chicken

09-07-2003, 07:47 AM

sonicboy,

3 of you? No - just you and sam, who both seem to have the same problem with spelling. Psycho is asking an intelligent question based on a previous post he read - so I know he isn't you!

Best regards,
Bawko

P.S. I'm sorry too. I think this whole thread has become quite sorry.

sonicboy

09-07-2003, 07:48 AM

yes, you caught me, I am agent smith! I can take over any souls hardwired to this system :P

someone please post IP logs, this guy doesn't believe me!!!

Atomic Chicken

09-07-2003, 07:49 AM

sonicboy,

Agent smith? :D

At least, if nothing else, this is rapidly increasing our post count!

Best wishes,
Bawko

sonicboy

09-07-2003, 07:51 AM

that it is :D, but I got over post counts a while ago.. now days I treat it like a geek'o'meter

Atomic Chicken

09-07-2003, 07:55 AM

sonicboy,

I guess based on the "geek-o-meter" we are almost equally geeky :D

Best regards,
Bawko

sonicboy

09-07-2003, 07:55 AM

not only I am accused of making a new user to back myself up I am accused of spoofing IP addresses! lol

I cant wait for IP v.6 so this wont happen

Atomic Chicken

09-07-2003, 07:56 AM

sonicboy,

Nope - I have only accused you of (probably) making a new user account. I only said that IP address could be spoofed, and that they prove nothing.

Once again, you are reading into my posts something that I didn't say.

Best regards,
Bawko

sonicboy

09-07-2003, 07:56 AM

Originally posted by Atomic Chicken
sonicboy,

I guess based on the "geek-o-meter" we are almost equally geeky :D

Best regards,
Bawko nah, I am way more geeky overall, I have accounts on other forums too

psycho

09-07-2003, 07:58 AM

Atomic Chicken

According to the numerous images and movies I saw (see sonicboy's site for instance), it's nowhere near as large as an NX and DOES fit snugly into a non-twisting hand. I do actually side with Sonicboy a bit, it's better hold of judgement until you've actually seen one.

Atomic Chicken

09-07-2003, 07:58 AM

sonicboy,

Originally posted by sonicboy
nah, I am way more geeky overall, I have accounts on other forums too

:D

A few more posts like that, and you might actually make me like you!

Actually, I already like you - regardless of my pain the the @SS and stupid brick wall comments. You're still not my mate, though :D

Best regards,
Bawko

Atomic Chicken

09-07-2003, 08:00 AM

psycho,

Originally posted by psycho
Atomic Chicken

According to the numerous images and movies I saw (see sonicboy's site for instance), it's nowhere near as large as an NX and DOES fit snugly into a non-twisting hand. I do actually side with Sonicboy a bit, it's better hold of judgement until you've actually seen one.

You are absolutely correct. My statement was meant as more of a generalization than something specific to the UX50, I am going to be one of the first people to go "check it out" when the UX50 arrives locally. Believe it or not, this is NOT a UX50 bashing thread, I posted a lot of good comments about the UX50 as well as the things I didn't particularly agree with. When I posted the "twisting hand" comment, I was mainly saying that Sony should come out with an vertical type handheld with a rotating landscape/portrait mode screen. Ergonomically, it just seems to make sense.

Best regards,
Bawko

sonicboy

09-07-2003, 08:06 AM

Originally posted by Atomic Chicken
sonicboy,

Nope - I have only accused you of (probably) making a new user account.here I am accused of making fake accounts
Originally posted by Atomic Chicken
I only said that IP address could be spoofed, and that they prove nothing.and here I am accused of IP spoofing :P
Originally posted by Atomic Chicken
Once again, you are reading into my posts something that I didn't say.

Best regards,
Bawko now I'm confused, and I'm ozzy, mate! :P

Atomic Chicken

09-07-2003, 08:11 AM

sonicboy,

I need sleep - it's 6:00 AM here. Goodnight, and congratulations on your new UX50! I hope you enjoy it at least as much as I enjoy my NX80. (I'm not being sarcastic, I DO mean that).

Best wishes,
Bawko

TechnoCat

09-07-2003, 11:09 AM

Originally posted by Atomic Chicken
sam fisher,
I don't find it so hard to believe that you are sonicboy, and I don't really find it that hard to believe that you are not. It seems like quite a coincidence, though, the way the posts happened. Maybe you are sonicboy, maybe you aren't. My bet is that you are, though.

Dude, give up whatever it is you're smoking, cut your hair, take a shower, get a job, and move out of your mom's place. Sonic and Sam aren't the only ones annoyed at you, and given their different writing styles, are almost certainly not the same person.

I have a long enough posting history here that I'm clearly neither of them also. Does my vote for "Chicken's off his rocker" count? 'Cuz what I see is this:

You posted a message about your impressions on a device that NOBODY had seen at that point
You defended those impressions against subsequent facts as more data about the UX50 came out
Sonic pointed out that some of your impressions were off-base, perhaps because you didn't have one, but that the whole thread seems weird because nobody was attacking the NX so why are you being so defensive?
You then attacked Sonic for essentially saying, "There's nothing wrong with the NX; it's different from the UX, not better not worse, be happy"
You got more and more defensive, even accusing him of masquerading as someone else. (Classic psychosis on your part.)
Sonic and eventually others took offense at how much attacking you're doing completely unrelated to the core point.

Honestly, I'm still not clear on why you took Sonic's efforts to say essentially, "Hey, nobody is attacking the NX; the UX is orthagonal", as an attack. And I suspect you read the thread completely differently from how many others do. But since you have said several times you'd drop it (and then failed to), I beg you to based on the following:
[list=1]
You don't have a UX50
You've expressed strong sentiment such that you will likely never have a UX50
You don't have significant experience with a UX50
You like your NX more
So, by virtue of all those, perhaps you should stick to the NX forum.
[/list=1]

Sneezy

09-07-2003, 11:36 AM

Well, I didn't go through this entire thread (my attention span is way to short for 6 pages of banter), but I did reread the first post by atomic poultry. In it, he never said he had a UX. He made a few general comments about what he knew about the UX at the time. For example, he wrote that he was dissappointed that there was no CF slot. You don't have to have a UX to make a statement like that.

What cracks me up is how we seem to take everything so personally on the internet, when we are really annonymous posters sitting in front of computer screens :D

TechnoCat

09-07-2003, 11:47 AM

Originally posted by Sneezy
Well, I didn't go through this entire thread (my attention span is way to short for 6 pages of banter), but I did reread the first post by atomic poultry. In it, he never said he had a UX. He made a few general comments about what he knew about the UX at the time. For example, he wrote that he was dissappointed that there was no CF slot. You don't have to have a UX to make a statement like that.

What cracks me up is how we seem to take everything so personally on the internet, when we are really annonymous posters sitting in front of computer screens :D
Yeah, the first post seemed fine. It got strange quite a bit later. But him attacking everyone and accusing Sonic of masquerading as a new user and such was trying... well, textbook.

sonicboy

09-07-2003, 01:05 PM

Originally posted by Atomic Chicken
I assume you mean the WiFi sniffing is useful? Cool! How do you use it? Mainly to look for WiFi hotspots, or to make sure your own network is working right?sorry, I forgot to answer this.. OK, examples of sniffer being usefull in my daily use...

#1: I have 2 sets of wi-fi lan settings, one for work and one for home.. both have passwords.. I just set it to automatic, it will sniff and then connect to whichever is avaliable.

#2: I am at a cafe or trainstation and spot a wi-fi access point, my clie is already set to automatic so I open netfront.. same deal, it will scan and connect without any fuss...

doesn't sound usefull to you? your tripping mate, and the other point people have been trying to get you to take into account is SIZE and WEIGHT..
of course the UX is smaller and lighter but you do pay for that, it is not a cheap device.. it for the same price you can get an NX with a wi-fi card and external keyboard but y'know what, all that kit wont fit in your pocket and the UX does.. so whats the big problem? its a better machine but its a more expensive machine, whatever.. buy what you can afford when you need it, if thats 2 days before the UX is released dont be sore.. lalala, this is all I will say.

Atomic Chicken

09-07-2003, 04:32 PM

Greetings everyone!

sonicboy -
Thanks for FINALLY answering and posting some useful information. I never said the WiFi sniffing wasn't useful, I never said it was. I only asked why YOU thought it was useful.

I have just one question for you - why couldn't you have just talked about the WiFi sniffing aspect of the UX50 instead of starting this whole 3 page mess by saying I had "never seen a UX50" and was "obviously trying to justify my NX80 purchase" and ask me "what do I know that nobody else on knows about the UX50)"? It would have saved all of us a lot of needless argument.

TechnoCat -
Sounds to me like maybe YOU are the one who is smoking something. Carefully re-read this thread from page 4 on and you will see that almost EVERYTHING you are saying is utter crap. You will see that:

(a) sonicboy (and ironically, sam) REPEATEDLY keep telling me that I am somehow trying to justify my purchase of an NX80, which I have stated OVER AND OVER is not the case. I was ready to trade my NX80 for a UX50 when I made the first post on this thread, and decided not to for very solid reasons. I have NO REASON to justify anything. sonicboy and sam (assuming they are not the same person) have been trying to twist this into a "you wish you had a UX50" thread. If I wanted a UX50, I would have one ordered and on the way. Plain and simple.

(b) As Sneezy points out, you don't actually have to have or see a UX50 to make comments on things like the CF card. I have been posting impressions and opinions, not first hand accounts of using a UX50.

(c) This is not, and has never been, a UX50 bashing thread. I have posted MANY good things that I like about the UX50, and many things I didn't like. The whole point of this thread for me was to share "impressions" of the UX50, and try and discuss design features of both it and the NX80.

(d) As far as attacking sonicboy or being "defensive", I have only this to say: he kept stating things about me and my posts that were not true and reading things into my posts I never intended. I have a right to try and correct this by making further posts of my own.

(e) Regarding the "new user masquerading" thing. I am NOT saying I am certain that sam is another user account created by sonicboy, I am just saying that it is highly likely. He suddenly appeared out of nowhere at the EXACT same time that sonicboy dissappeared from the thread, in support of sonicboy, making the same 2 letter reversal typing errors that sonicboy was making, and saying essentially the same thing that sonicboy was saying (that I somehow had a NX80 inferiority complex or wish I owned a UX50 or whatever). I find it hard to believe that 2 people could BOTH be so oblivious to what I was ACTUALLY posting in previous threads, appear at the same time of night when there were only 3 users logged on, at the same time, and exhibit this strange "dropping off the board" by sonicboy the same time sam appeared as a "new user tired of the b*tching". I did not say, and will not now say, that they absolutely are the same person, but if I were a betting person I would put heavy odds on the probability that they are.

(f) Tell me ONE thing I have defended against in light of "new facts that have come out" ? Even one. Come on - bring it on. I think that in rereading my posts, you will clearly see that I have NEVER tried to defend an impression that was shown to be false by further information. I asked several questions (some of which were not answered until now), but I did NOT hold onto an "impression" once shown that it was incorrect.

I know this post is too long... so I'll end it here. To anybody else reading this who cares, please read the posts from page 4 onward carefully - you will see that what I am writing here is true.

Best wishes,
Bawko

P.S. TechnoCat - I resent the "cut the hair, get a job, move out of mom's place etc." sentence. I am a married, successful consulting engineer who owns a machine shop and an electronic production facility. I have been away from home for over 20 years now, and I think you are a F**KNUT for making these sorts of assumptions about someone you have never seen or met. By the way, I don't smoke ANYTHING, and I have short hair and wear nice clothes - not that these facts will likely do anything to alter your irrational dislike of me.

TinyMog

09-07-2003, 04:57 PM

Err... :confused: I didn't read this entire thread due to it's length :o , but I'm sure you're well put, Atomic Chicken ;) . One question though :rolleyes: : Why can't we all just, get along :) ?
http://www.skopjeonline.com.mk/dining/cuisine/chicken.jpg

Atomic Chicken

09-07-2003, 05:18 PM

TinyMog,

:D

Best wishes,
Bawko

TinyMog

09-07-2003, 05:32 PM

LOL :p , thanks ;) . You too :) .

sam fisher

09-07-2003, 06:39 PM

Holy Smokes!
You're still at it! I've been away through the day, I come back to read some interesting posts re: the UX50 and I find you still here ranting like an idiot. I thought you were leaving this thread. Please, please go to the NX80 thread - you'll find lots of people there who will agree with you that your Clie is the best of the bunch.

Also, when you say:

Originally posted by Atomic Chicken
I have short hair and wear nice clothes

are these clothes as nice as your NX80 or are you going to start a thread to try and justify the clothes you buy as well!

LauretteBradley

09-07-2003, 07:05 PM

All right. I can settle this. I am a 47 year old woman, so I obviously have the maturity and insight to adjudicate strife between two techno-geeks.

I have fallen madly in love with Sonic boy over the past 2 months. Or maybe it's just his UX50 that I love. I can't tell.

Atomic Chicken is a twirp.

End of discussion

Atomic Chicken

09-07-2003, 07:28 PM

sam,

Since you and sonicboy both seem to think that I have some sort of pathological need to "justify" things, I'll say this one more time then ignore you both for good (yes - that is a promise :))

I do not now, and have not at ANY time in this thread had any need to justify my purchase of ANYTHING. If I wanted a UX50, I would have bought one. If I want nice clothes, I will buy them too. Why do you think I have any sort of need to justify anything? Show me ANY post I have made on this thread where I say I have to justify anything to anybody - you will find quite the opposite. The only thing I have "justified" is my right to defend myself from @$$holes like you and sonicboy who keep reading things into my posts that were never there in the first place - and posting falsehoods about what I say.

Ranting like an idiot? Who is the idiot here - me or somebody like YOU who can't seem to READ THE F**KING POSTS and what they contain? You keep twisting what I say around, and you seem to be hung up on some sort of "he needs to justify blah blah blah..." or "he wishes he had a UX50 instead of his NX80" trip. I don't need to go to the NX80 thread to find people who will agree with me, I couldn't care less if people agree with me. What I DO care about is that what I post is not corrupted and twisted into something that I never said in the first place, like you and sonicboy (assuming you're not the same person) keep doing repeatedly. If I feel like posting on the UX forum, I will. If you want to post on the NX80 forum, you will. Who cares what forum we post on? It just doesn't matter.

By the way, you say you came here looking for "interesting posts re: UX50". I think you are full of $#!T. If you want to find interesting posts about the UX50, it should be painfully obvious to you by now that THIS is NO LONGER the thread to find anything interesting or informative. Sonicboy and yourself have made sure of this. I personally think you came back here to continue the fray, and see if you can get another response out of me. Congratulations, you succeeded.

By the way, jerk, I posted the clothes thread in response to TechnoCat - who was under some sort of delusion that I was an unwashed hippie stoner living at my mom's house. It has nothing to do with you, and for you to try and use it to further your "justification" obsession with me is just about as low as you can get.

Goodbye, and good riddance forever. I won't be responding to you or sonicboy again on this thread. Blather on all you want about me trying to "justify" something, the facts and truth about this thread are clear and obvious to anybody who cares to read it.

Worst regards (and by the way go F**K yourself),
Bawko

Atomic Chicken

09-07-2003, 07:32 PM

LauretteBradley,

Isn't it ironic that yet ANOTHER new user has come out of the woodwork and chosen to register, and make their FIRST POST EVER on this board in support of sonicboy against Atomic Chicken! What are the odds? I guess sonicboy has such an amazing personality that he just inspires people who have never joined this board to register and JUMP INTO THE FRAY!!!

Amazing.

Best regards,
Bawko

sam fisher

09-07-2003, 07:37 PM

People (like insecure AtomicChicken) sure are sensitive when people like us hit the mark with our statements.

BTW - for the last time, I am not SonicBoy.

OK folks, ok folks, AtomicChicken blew my cover, I'm really not Sam. Actually I'm AtomicChicken's alter ego. You see, after realizing that I'd purchased an NX-80 just 2 days before the UX was announced, the strain of my decision was too much for me to handle. And so now I have a split personality, one that lashes out at everyone in a desperate attempt to justifiy buying my NX-80 (atomicchicken) and the other that secretly desires the UX-50 (sam).

Now, I hope we can take your word on it AtomicChicken and that you won't be posting any more attack posts to SonicBoy or anyone else on this forum.

sam fisher

09-07-2003, 07:46 PM

Originally posted by Atomic Chicken
LauretteBradley,

Isn't it ironic that yet ANOTHER new user has come out of the woodwork and chosen to register, and make their FIRST POST EVER on this board in support of sonicboy against Atomic Chicken! What are the odds? I guess sonicboy has such an amazing personality that he just inspires people who have never joined this board to register and JUMP INTO THE FRAY!!!

Amazing.

Best regards,
Bawko

Hmm - just one post up you promised to go away, and then you're back being rude again.
You need help, so I've asked the folks in the NX forum to band together and lend you some support so you can come to grips with having bought the NX.

Hope that helps.
Love,
SF

acraniotes

09-07-2003, 08:02 PM

Just wanted to point out that an NX80 kitted out to Sonic's specifications from his earlier post (WiFi card and external keyboard) would actually be considerably more expensive than a UX50. Indeed, the WL110 alone would make the NX80 $50US more than a UX50 -- something to think about when comparing these two devices.

For my part, I went the NX80 route because I need a full-size keyboard and don't use WiFi enough (or BT at all) to justify the sacrifices I would have to make on the UX to have these features built-in (smaller screen, no portrait orientation, no CF slot, lack of Remote Commander and in-line audio remote...). That said, I'm sure I'm going to turn green with envy the first time I see someone whip a UX out of their pocket and start surfing while I'm still fumbling with my retractable CF slot and WL100...

By all accounts, it looks to me as though the UX will be a winner for those who really need to be connected... Can't wait to see what it's successor is going to be like.

-Adam

PS - I really think we all need to keep things in perspective regarding our opinions around here. It's bad enough that my ex-wife, current girlfriend, twin sister, best friend, other "not-quite-best" friends, collegues, etc already think I'm a complete dork because of my PDA fixation. The fact that I downloaded a Flash-based Tricorder on my NX80 doesn't help matters much, and certainly kills whatever credibility my lifestyle or appearance has built up over the years... To me, Cliesource is where a dork can be a dork (or a chicken can be a chicken, for that matter). Going forward, let's keep the bashing focused firmly where it belongs -- on PPC users (I am one, but I forgot to mention that I'm self-hating according to my Freudian analyst and my clinical psychologist), and, to a lesser extent, Palm users.