New Clie (PEG-UX50)

[ClieTT]

http://www.sony.jp/CorporateCruise/Press/200307/03-0717/

http://www.sony.jp/CorporateCruise/Press/200307/03-0717/img/pj.jpg

[pdbgrafx]

Now all we need are the specs and pricing!

[newyorktd]

But is this projection accurate?

[kkrays]

woohoo! it says there on the page that I'll be released in Japan August 9, and I'll be in Tokyo during that time! I'll be sure to check it out!

[PEG-SJ30]

CLIE PEG-UX50 (http://www.sony.jp/products/Consumer/PEG/PEG-UX50/index.html)

PalmOS 5.2
Handheld Engine(TM) CXD2230GA (http://pc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/2003/0717/sony206.jpg)
ARM 926 CPU + DSP + USB controller + DRAM on a single chip!

480x320 transflective display

Graffiti2
Landscape orientation
Built-in 802.11b and Bluetooth
Infrared

Dimensions:
103 (L) × 86.5 (W) × 17.9mm (D)

Weight:
175g

Backlit keyboard

*NO* CompactFlash Slot

Extended Battery (upto 35 hours playing music)
http://www.sony.jp/products/Consumer/PEG/PEG-UX50/Images/feat1_7_2.jpg
PEGA-EB40http://www.sony.jp/products/Consumer/PEG/Acc/PEGA-EB40/Images/pega_eb40_photo.gif

Leather Case PEGA-CA40http://www.sony.jp/products/Consumer/PEG/Acc/PEGA-CA40/Images/pega_ca40_photo.gif

"Slot Machine" Launcherhttp://www.sony.jp/products/Consumer/PEG/PEG-UX50/Images/feat4_11.gif

[JwY]

omg, i didnt expect it to be ready so fast
looks interesting!

[kkrays]

Oh man, it's gonna be so tempting to buy it....

How long does it take for the american versions to come out? Maybe I can handle the japanese version in the meantime :)

[yOyOYoo]

http://www.sony.jp/products/Consumer/PEG/PEG-UX50/feat1.html

I LOVE THIS THING OMG!!! haha

what is the camera res.

[Unregistered]

well....i guess that means there is/will be a landscape netfront.....

[cosFFM]

Now all we need are the specs and pricing!

Follow the link for specs. Looks good, OS 5.2 - and more onboard memory. Interesting device. I think it is good to see that they are exploring different handheld models and with OS6 on the horizon who knows whats next :)

I think I need this though.. I am very happy with my TG50 except the lack of WLAN. Screensize and keyboard size look great too. This device could replace my notebook for my main usage.


More details here. (http://www.sony.jp/products/Consumer/PEG/PEG-UX50/index.html)

[Drachen]

My god! It looks like something I'd give my neice to play with. It's the Etch-A-Sketch of the 21st century. It's hands-down the ugliest and ungainliest-looking PDA I have ever seen. Next to Apple, Sony generally has the sharpest-looking industrial design on the planet, but I think they've finally lost it. It's big and unweildy in tablet mode (this from a guy that uses an NZ) and ugly and unweildy in clamshell mode. The specs are irrelevant because I wouldn't be caught dead using that monstrosity.

Unbelievable! The Playskool Clie!

[Unregistered]

but i've already bought a wifi card......and this is there way of fighting the eurware driver, since there is no cf card slot.

[kkrays]

As with all things, I'm going to reserve judgement on the clie when I get my hands on one in Japan. I'm particularly interested in the new launcher system, it's supposed to have some kind of 3d effect. Maybe it'll be like the MacOS X launcher bar...

but for now, I think the device is great, and will probably look and feel even better up close.

[Unregistered]

hey wouldn't it be wild if there are 2 new clies coming out........

[Unregistered]

Originally posted by kkrays
woohoo! it says there on the page that I'll be released in Japan August 9, and I'll be in Tokyo during that time! I'll be sure to check it out!

Actually, it's September 8. You have the month and day reversed.

[Unregistered]

Originally posted by Unregistered


Actually, it's September 8. You have the month and day reversed.

Oh wait, no you don't...I do...duh. I just remembered which one is "tsuki".

[kkrays]

Nope, it says 8 and then the kanji for "month" and then 9 followed by the kanji for "day" hence august 9. And the kanji next to that says that it's a Saturday.

[Unregistered]

it looks like a zaurus ( the one sold only in japan or by dynamism)
http://www.dynamism.com/zaurus7xx/index.shtml

[Drachen]

It says Saturday, August 9th according to Babelfish. Sept 8th is a Monday.

kkrays: if you hold your mouse over the rightmost button, you'll get a preview of the new launcher. Looks like it's slot machine-style.

[jiserrab]

INDEED a new Chapter has begun....AWSOME...:D

[kkrays]

Drachen: yeah, but Im wondering if there will be some kind of animation effect going on. You know how on a MacOS X the selected items grow larger as you mouse over them and decrease in size as you move further away. Maybe this will do the same?

[Unregistered]

Check out the available options. There's an external Li-Ion battery pack. I also really like the leather case (looks like leather anyway).

What's the ring on the lower left side for?

[kkrays]

I think it's to attach some kind of tassel so that you can hold onto it more easily. Actually, im pretty sure that's what it's for.

[a_clie_er]

So this must be fridays big annoucecment?

[Unregistered]

what is the processor speed?

[Drachen]

kkrays: Looks like the jog wheel will play an important part in the new launcher. I'd love to see what they've come up with. I thought the current Sony launcher was pretty innovative and I'd love to see an encore. I've seen the MacOS X interface before, but don't have much experience with it. At first glance, it looks like a version of the standard Palm launcher texture-mapped onto a sphere.

[Unregistered]

love it!

[jiserrab]

Is this going to be the "Friday Announcement" They said wireless and this does have both BT and WiFi....?

[Katsu]

I'm drooling....."CLEANUP ON ISLE 3."

Assesories List if anyones interested...
http://www.sony.jp/products/Consumer/PEG/PEG-UX50/acc.html

[Drachen]

jiserrab: look on the right side of the page. You can see both the BT logo and the WiFi logo. There's a good bet this is it. It's a dead ringer for the mystery machine Larry's had as his avatar for the past few weeks.

[Unregistered]

it rocks!

[Katsu]

Jiserrab,
has both Bluetooth and WiFi.

[Unregistered]

what about those who bought a wifi card?

[Drachen]

Unregistered: You've got a Redunant Array of Pretty Expensive Devices on your hands.

[Importluva]

Looks cool, but kinda big. I wonder how easy it will be to type on that keyboard?

[ccelada]

There's no CF slot... so if u have a WiFi card... you'll only be able to use it on your old NX CLIE. It looks like a GRAT device... maybe my next CLIE!!!

[Unregistered]

okay, so its my only vice....that my wife allows

[LaserProUSA]

I picked up the iPAQ for it's built in wifi and bluetooth and far superior multimedia functions to the PalmOS. I still use my NZ90 exclusively for business purposes but the iPAQ for Windows Media, Real Audio, MP3, surfing the net, email and games.

Looks like this new Clie PEG-UX50 is the upgrade to the NZ90 and may even be equivalent to the iPAQ I have (so I can give it to my wife or sell on eBay).

Hopefully Sony releases a US version real quick.

[jiserrab]

Translated using babelfish regarding memory...(I think)

In addition to the 16MB of the substance, the built-in media 22MB whose retention of animated picture and music is possible new loading. Furthermore also it loaded " the memory stick " slot *4.

[Unregistered]

well, the ipaq is great for gaming.....

[AndyJapan]

Originally posted by Unregistered


Actually, it's September 8. You have the month and day reversed.

Trust me, it is really Saturday, the 8th of August. The Japanese list the month first, then the day. I am not a Japanese language wizard, but I can read this correctly.

[DonWon]

that thing is much bigger than the prototype waved around a month ago.

[Unregistered]

i belive you

[Drachen]

Never quote Babelfish. :rolleyes:

:)

[Unregistered]

babefish is often wrong

[PEG-SJ30]

Originally posted by wonton
that thing is much bigger than the prototype waved around a month ago.
So, you've held the UX50 in your hands? Don't make judgments too soon. It's probably not that much bigger than the NX.

[DonWon]

i agree with that
this will be around the same size as the NX

but that prototype was no NX
was tiny

[jiserrab]

Originally posted by Unregistered
babefish is often wrong

Look here (http://www.sony.jp/products/Consumer/PEG/PEG-UX50/feat1.html) about 2/3 the way down next to picture it has with MSPro it mentions 16MB and 22MB. I leave you to draw your own conclusions.

[abosco]

Anybody else see how ugly this thing is? Take a look. Reminds me of one of those laptops with pretty bright colors we give to kids to teach them the alphabet. The specs sound cool, but overall, I'm underwhelmed. Keeping my NX80v, thanks. ;)

[Unregistered]

well, i'm holding out for 128mb

[a_clie_er]

finally built in WiFi... anyone know if its a b or g standard wifi?

[Unregistered]

b standard

[Importluva]

The prototype I'm sure is the same thing. it was held at an angle so it was percieved to be smaller. Optical illusion if you ask me.

[ayasin]

Ok, I'll be the first to say it: This is a huge mistake. Sony is going the WRONG way. Things need to be made MORE not LESS pocketable or portable. I mean come on...what's next? A base model Vaio being renamed the Clie UX80? The 73/80 for all their faults were at least with the right philosophy (smaller, more pocketable without giving up too much). With this, I might as well carry around a laptop. I'm very underwhelmed.

[a_clie_er]

this thread went from 0 to 50 in under 30 mins

[Unregistered]

wow! we don't need cf, right?

[abosco]

Ayasin, you're my freakin' hero. You said it all right there. This thing is a huge fumble IMO.

[AndyJapan]

Originally posted by PEG-SJ30

So, you've held the UX50 in your hands? Don't make judgments too soon. It's probably not that much bigger than the NX.

It is 103x86.5x17.9mm!

NX80: 71.9x131.5x21.8mm

So, what is the point...

[Unregistered]

as long as i don't need 2 storage mediums, that is a step in the right direction. i mean, new laptops don't even have floppy drives, now, just cd

[kkrays]

I dont understand it. Take a look at the NX80/73. Now take a look at this new Clie.

Which one is more pocketable?

[PEG-SJ30]

I'm confused about the memory, but here's what I think:

128MB RAM
* 104MB available to user
* 22MB heap space

which adds up to 126MB, which is the "formatted" capacity of 128MB

16MB should obviously be ROM

[Unregistered]

why keep such a gem in your pocket? these are not pocketpcs, are they? hey hey

[kkrays]

More info on the specs at Brighthand (http://www.brighthand.com/article/Sony_Announcing_Wireless_Handheld_on_Friday)

[AndyJapan]

Believe in figures, not your impression.... The UX50 is not that big as you may think. The NZ90 is a brick, but the the UX50 is smaller than a NX80.

[Drachen]

ayasin: I'm with you all the way. It's like a Clie in the body of a mini-laptop. If I was going that route, I'd be looking at something like the PCG-TR1AP rather than a mega-PDA.

And as I said before, at least from the pictures, it's butt-ugly.

[Unregistered]

well, if you want small, how about t/t2?

[a_clie_er]

i think the best way to make good jugdement is to physically test this thing out... for now its just all opinons..

[kkrays]

The thing is: I think this device is perfect for the Japanese market. The latest releases in Japan have all been this form factor. The pocketpc camp has their Sigmarion, Sharp has their Cxx series, and now Sony followed suit. Like it or not, I believe that Sony is developing first for their Japanese consumers.

Just so you guys know, this is the Sigmarion (http://www.nttdocomo.co.jp/info/products/sigmarion3/closeup/index.html) .

And I'm sure you're all familiar with the Sharp Zaurus line by now.

So yeah, it all seems to fit. Sony is simply following suit here.

[bakerybob]

The picture on the first page of this thread is a little misleading - the UX-50 there has the long-life battery attached, so it looks way thicker than usual. Without that battery, it's really slim.

[s360clie]

Originally posted by AndyJapan


It is 103x86.5x17.9mm!

NX80: 71.9x131.5x21.8mm

So, what is the point... But I think it is quite difficult to hold such a width>height's PDA on my hand..........It is not that convinient for One-hand operation

[ayasin]

I wonder what they are going to do for all the palm os apps that don't run in "widescreen" mode. Where will the grafitti area be in the "Laptop" mode or do you have to switch to "tablet mode" to get graffiti. Also there was a step forward with Decuma...why revert back to the (IMO) much worse Graffiti2?

[ayasin]

Originally posted by bakerybob
The picture on the first page of this thread is a little misleading - the UX-50 there has the long-life battery attached, so it looks way thicker than usual. Without that battery, it's really slim.

I'm curious without the extended battery how long the bluetooth and WiFi will last

[PEG-SJ30]

Originally posted by kkrays
The thing is: I think this device is perfect for the Japanese market. ... Like it or not, I believe that Sony is developing first for their Japanese consumers.
You nailed it. Needs no further explanation.

[bakerybob]

About the memory, the Sony site says: "Total 104MB. User-accessible volume: about 16MB. Internal storage: 22MB." Don't know where all the rest of it has gone, though! Maybe Sony's done away with the distinctions between ROM and RAM?
Also, the processor is a Sony Handheld Engine, though it doesn't say what the clock speed is.

[ayasin]

Originally posted by s360clie
But I think it is quite difficult to hold such a width>height's PDA on my hand..........It is not that convinient for One-hand operation

This is definately designed for 2 handed use...but most thumb boards are...there's nothing new there. I hope the keyboard is better than the 73/80 one (it doesn't look like it in the pic unforutnately)

[bakerybob]

Originally posted by ayasin
there was a step forward with Decuma...why revert back to the (IMO) much worse Graffiti2?

Actually, Decuma will also be included.

On battery life, the site says about 2.5 hours for WIFI with full screen brightness, 4.5 hours with screen at lowest brightness.

[kkrays]

Well, the Brighthand article is speculating that:

"The Clie PEG-UX50 will run on Palm OS version 5.2 and run on what Sony calls its Handheld Engine. The Handheld Engine appears to consist of an ARM926 based processor, possibly running at 300MHz, a Digital Signal Processor (DSP), a CXD2230GA graphics accelerator chip, and 64MB DRAM."

[Drachen]

Originally posted by PEG-SJ30

You nailed it. Needs no further explanation.

But they're not making the grand unveiling in Japan, they're doing it in North America. That makes it all the more strange.

[bakerybob]

The 64MB DRAM would explain the total of 104MB memory, then. 64+about 16+22=about 104...

[kkrays]

What I'd love is for the US version to come out first :)

I mean, it would be so heart-wrenching to be standing there at the shop with the PEG-UX50 in my hands and to walk away empty handed. I wish there was someway to convert the language. I mean, I could probably use it, but it would be a hassle.

[s360clie]

Originally posted by ayasin


This is definately designed for 2 handed use...but most thumb boards are...there's nothing new there. I hope the keyboard is better than the 73/80 one (it doesn't look like it in the pic unforutnately) I agree with you. but some other thumb board PDA, like TG50 and NX/NZ series, can be used to operate with one hand for only data viewing, but the Jog-Dial design of UX50 is quite inconvinient to use............It was placed in the front panel near the 4 PIM Button

[a_clie_er]

now anyone knows any speculations on the PRICE????

[ayasin]

Originally posted by bakerybob
The 64MB DRAM would explain the total of 104MB memory, then. 64+about 16+22=about 104...

It would be cool if you could section off some of that to hold non-PDB/PRC files. I think the real use of that much memory is in being able to hold music or docs in native format or something. A RAM drive may be a cool app for a device with that much free memory (considering a HUGE palm app would be 300K)

[AndyJapan]

Originally posted by kkrays
What I'd love is for the US version to come out first :)

I mean, it would be so heart-wrenching to be standing there at the shop with the PEG-UX50 in my hands and to walk away empty handed. I wish there was someway to convert the language. I mean, I could probably use it, but it would be a hassle.

Dream on... This never happened for a new Clie... Japan is always first although it is not the biggest market for handhelds.

[kkrays]

Originally posted by AndyJapan


Dream on... This never happened for a new Clie... Japan is always first although it is not the biggest market for handhelds.

Yeah, I know...sigh

It's just that I used to live in Japan and I loved being on the cutting edge of tech. Now that I'm here in the US, it's excruciating waiting for these goodies to arrive!

[s360clie]

Originally posted by bakerybob


Actually, Decuma will also be included.

On battery life, the site says about 2.5 hours for WIFI with full screen brightness, 4.5 hours with screen at lowest brightness. And also 16HRS of Audio playback with Hold On........

I glad that the Decuma, which is not embedded in the VG area(unlike NX73's one), can be picked out and used on those Device w/o VG like TG50

[AndyJapan]

Originally posted by a_clie_er
now anyone knows any speculations on the PRICE????

Well, I would guess that they will charge at least 6500 Yen which are $550. I guess that this doesn`t help you...

[jiserrab]

Will it be able to run programs in the vertical NOT landscape position?

[AndyJapan]

Originally posted by AndyJapan


Well, I would guess that they will charge at least 6500 Yen which are $550. I guess that this doesn`t help you...

I meant 65,000 Yen. Doesn`t help you either...

[ayasin]

Originally posted by s360clie
I agree with you. but some other thumb board PDA, like TG50 and NX/NZ series, can be used to operate with one hand for only data viewing, but the Jog-Dial design of UX50 is quite inconvinient to use............It was placed in the front panel near the 4 PIM Button

That's a good point. Plus the fact that you can't just open it up and write on it in "Laptop" mode because of the width of the screen like you can with the NX series.

[s360clie]

Originally posted by AndyJapan


Well, I would guess that they will charge at least 6500 Yen which are $550. I guess that this doesn`t help you...
http://www.jp.sonystyle.com/peg/Store/Clie/Ux50/index.html

69800 Yen

[a_clie_er]

Originally posted by jiserrab
Will it be able to run programs in the vertical NOT landscape position?

with time maybe there will be a app that can do that..

[s360clie]

Originally posted by a_clie_er


with time maybe there will be a app that can do that.. But the hardware key assignment can not be changed.................:(

[PEG-SJ30]

Originally posted by jiserrab
Will it be able to run programs in the vertical NOT landscape position?

That's the eight-hundred dollar question. With the launch buttons at the front, I don't think it's meant to be used any other way but landscape. :(

[cliemike]

Here is the price from the japanes website, I listed it in Yen and US Dollar:

69,800 Japanese Yen = 591.025 US Dollar

Here is the link to where I found this:

http://www.jp.sonystyle.com/peg/Store/Clie/Ux50/index.html

Hope this helps!

http://www.angelfire.com/me4/demonfighters/images/Cliesourcebannerweb.jpg

[Unregistered]

any news on the stylus?

[a_clie_er]

Originally posted by PEG-SJ30


That's the eight-hundred dollar question. With the launch buttons at the front, I don't think it's meant to be used any other way but landscape. :(

unless using grafity to input in vertical mode you can do most of the things using the stylus...i think

[s360clie]

Originally posted by Unregistered
any news on the stylus?
http://www.sony.jp/products/Consumer/PEG/PEG-UX50/feat4.html
it seems that it is almost/just the same one as NX73/80's

[ricleo]

ok. $591 USD is close to the NX80 price range. But since CLIEs always cost more in the States compared to Japan, I think the retail price in the states or anywhere else will be higher.

[PEG-SJ30]

If it's $599, the UX50 will kill the hp5555 ($699) before it even reaches the shores of the US.

There's a new stylus..
http://www.sony.jp/products/Consumer/PEG/Acc/PEGA-ST70/Images/pega_st70_photo.gif
http://www.sony.jp/products/Consumer/PEG/Acc/PEGA-ST70/Images/pega_st70_number.gif

[Katsu]

Kind of looks like it uses the telescopic NX80 stylus.

[a_clie_er]

i could see a price drop on many clies soon... in fact now..

[jiserrab]

At least we know it not in this "Qualia" line of products.

[elo]

This device can indeed operate in portrait mode. The application buttons would then be along the side of the display (but still visible).

elo

[Unregistered]

looks like a winner!

[ricleo]

Judging from the design, I say the UX50 is similar to the size of the NX80 with the top hinge cut off and moved to the side of the unit, giving it more of a square look rather than a rectanglular look... may feel wierd holding something so wide in the hand.

[AndyJapan]

Originally posted by PEG-SJ30
If it's $599, the UX50 will kill the hp5555 ($699) before it even reaches the shores of the US.

There's a new stylus..
http://www.sony.jp/products/Consumer/PEG/Acc/PEGA-ST70/Images/pega_st70_photo.gif
http://www.sony.jp/products/Consumer/PEG/Acc/PEGA-ST70/Images/pega_st70_number.gif

Nice try to sell it as new stylus. This pen is lying on my desk and is a pen sold by SONY, but actually manufactured by the German company Staedtler. It has a special tip for the PDA screen as well as red & black ball pen.. I use it all the time as I find the stylus to small.

[Unregistered]

good point

[gfunkmagic]

WHOA!! I think this thing looks gorgeous, unlike others! Also, PDAFrance has some nice pics of the UX50 up now!

http://www.pdafrance.com/

[Unregistered]

its looking better......

[jiserrab]

Cradle? Or just use BT or WiFi to sync?

[s360clie]

Originally posted by jiserrab
Cradle? Or just use BT or WiFi to sync? There is a USB port(most probably Mini USB port) on the left side...............

[jiserrab]

Could this be the cradle?
http://www.pdafrance.com/
Last picture...middle piece is probable extra battery

[a_clie_er]

Originally posted by AndyJapan


Nice try to sell it as new stylus. This pen is lying on my desk and is a pen sold by SONY, but actually manufactured by the German company Staedtler. It has a special tip for the PDA screen as well as red & black ball pen.. I use it all the time as I find the stylus to small.

how much is that stylus?

[AndyJapan]

Originally posted by a_clie_er


how much is that stylus?

Well, this pen usually costs approx. 2000Yen which are nearly $17. Quite expensive, but you can also get those kind of pens from other manufacturers for nearly half the price.
I wonder if you cannot get in the US.

[jiserrab]

Originally posted by s360clie
There is a USB port(most probably Mini USB port) on the left side...............

So maybe the PDAFrance pict is a pic of a charging station? And the USB is only for hotsync.

[kkrays]

Actually, all of the pdafrance pics are from the sonystyle japan homepage that was linked to earlier. The three piece pic shows the extended battery in the middle, and the third piece is the cradle.

[gothicaleigh]

Does it have the new Tactile Touch screen?

[gothicaleigh]

Tactile Touch Panels Coming to Sony Handhelds
By Ed Hardy Editor-in-Chief
June 13th, 2003
Touch screens have been a part of handhelds since the beginning. Now, Sony engineers have developed a new type of touch panel that has the potential to revolutionize future handhelds. These panels give a tactile sensation, so when a user touches the screen it can feel like a button is being pushed, even though the user is simply pushing on a flat surface.

According to Asia Times Online, the panels create this sensation by making a quartz material vibrate by applying voltage to it, called the piezo effect. Sony's breakthrough came in achieving the piezo effect at very low voltages.

The first Sony products using the new tactile touch screens could be on the market as early as the end of this year.

[cliemike]

Check out the flash Demo of the UX50 here:

http://www.sony.jp/CLIE/world/index.html

http://www.angelfire.com/me4/demonfighters/images/Cliesourcebannerweb.jpg

[gothicaleigh]

OMG.
One will be mine.

[KBeez]

ahhh man! I don't know if I should love this announcement or hate it. I mean, sure it's always great to advance the Clie's and Palms further, but I just barely bought my NX70 and then the new NX80 comes out and I was feeling a little bad (but not too bad as it's hardly that much of an upgrade) but now there's even another one!! No matter when or where you buy, you always have that feeling of man, I should've waited....

And it's like an extremely, extremely small laptop. looks great, but I don't know about that whole landscape thing...

But then again the NX70 is still a great machine, overclockable, and still one of the best performing pda's on the market so I'm not complaining...

[cliemike]

After thoroughly (well, as much as I could) reading through the Japanese website on the UX50 I have decided to keep my NX80v and wait until sony comes out with a OS6 Clie optimized for wireless capabilities.

The way I see it is that this is sony's first REAL step towards enabling their clies for true portability. I think that there next model after the UX50 will have all of the minor problems fixed (you know there are going to be some). Plus by then OS6 will be out allowing sony to use WiFi and Bluetooth more effectively and efficiently.

http://www.angelfire.com/me4/demonfighters/images/Cliesourcebannerweb.jpg

[gothicaleigh]

http://www.sony.jp/products/Consumer/PEG/PEG-UX50/Images/feat1_3_2.jpg

 


 

 






http://www.sony.jp/products/Consumer/PEG/PEG-UX50/Images/feat1_3_3.jpg

 





 



http://www.sony.jp/products/Consumer/PEG/PEG-UX50/Images/feat1_3_4.jpg

 





 



http://www.sony.jp/products/Consumer/PEG/PEG-UX50/Images/feat1_3_5.jpg

[gothicaleigh]

Here are some better pictures of it as the initial one on this thread doesn't do it justice:

http://www.sony.jp/products/Consumer/PEG/PEG-UX50/Images/feat1_1.jpg





 

 

 



 



http://www.sony.jp/products/Consumer/PEG/PEG-UX50/Images/feat2_1.jpg





 

 

 


 





http://www.sony.jp/products/Consumer/PEG/PEG-UX50/Images/feat4_1.jpg

[gothicaleigh]

I apologize to the 56k users out there, but I had to make sure everyone saw how beautiful this is. I'm never going to be able to wait for it's release... Do we know when that is yet?

I think it will easily have NZ pricing though...

[lelit]

That all is very interesting and nice, but what will be with applications?? Sony already made developers produce variants of their progs for 320x480. What now, do another ones for 480x320??
Not all progs have 320x480 version. 480x320 will have even less.
So we have only progs from Sony itself, or small 320x320, or 320x480 which can be viewed only in tablet mode :(
Sigh it would be better for Sony to use WinCE.Net instead :(
and camera again only 640x480... :(

[cbulock]

Originally posted by ayasin


It would be cool if you could section off some of that to hold non-PDB/PRC files. I think the real use of that much memory is in being able to hold music or docs in native format or something. A RAM drive may be a cool app for a device with that much free memory (considering a HUGE palm app would be 300K)

I think that is exactly what the 22MB are for. I have been hoping they would add think feature for a while, because you basicly need a MS type storage to use the Clie's now.
Someone quoted the Japanese website as saying, the 22MB was internal memory to be used for movies and music. They must have just made it flash memory like that used in the MS, but internal and seen as an external card to the OS.

[cbulock]

Originally posted by lelit
That all is very interesting and nice, but what will be with applications?? Sony already made developers produce variants of their progs for 320x480. What now, do another ones for 480x320??
Not all progs have 320x480 version. 480x320 will have even less.
So we have only progs from Sony itself, or small 320x320, or 320x480 which can be viewed only in tablet mode :(
Sigh it would be better for Sony to use WinCE.Net instead :(
and camera again only 640x480... :(

This is one thing that really sucks. Now there will yet another format for developers to write for. We have the older 160x160, then 320x320 which are both standard now. Then theres the 320x240 of the older Handera devices and the Legend units found in China, then 320x480 of the Clies. There is also the widescreen resolution of the Dana units. Then there is 320x480 of the new Garmin units, the 480x320 of the upcoming Tapwave Helix, and now 480x320 of this new Clie. Poor developers, hopefully OS6 will come fast and have support for all these varying resolutions.

[Shogmaster]

Originally posted by s360clie

http://www.jp.sonystyle.com/peg/Store/Clie/Ux50/index.html

69800 Yen

That's 10000 more yen then what they are charging NX80 for over there.

The sucker's gonna be $699.99 over here I bet ya.

[Unregistered]

I noticed that the virtual grafiti area is located at the far right side of the screen...does anyone else see this as a problem for left handed users when trying to input text...looks like it'll be a pain in the you know where if it's not interchangeble from one side of the screen to the other......

[Roni]

Originally posted by lelit

and camera again only 640x480... :(

thanks for helping me see that nz90 is still a viable machine... :rolleyes:

 

 :)

[SwissUser]

Just spat my coffee on my screen.

This looks really really really interesting, do I hold off on a NX80. Guess we will see this on the 34th July 2025 !!!!!!!!!!!

(How do I get coffee stains off my LCD?)

[cykalan]

Originally posted by cbulock


This is one thing that really sucks. Now there will yet another format for developers to write for. We have the older 160x160, then 320x320 which are both standard now. Then theres the 320x240 of the older Handera devices and the Legend units found in China, then 320x480 of the Clies. There is also the widescreen resolution of the Dana units. Then there is 320x480 of the new Garmin units, the 480x320 of the upcoming Tapwave Helix, and now 480x320 of this new Clie. Poor developers, hopefully OS6 will come fast and have support for all these varying resolutions.

nono, look carefully and you will notice how the status bar has already changed. Chances are that this new CLIE is already using the Palm OS 5.2 standardized Hi-res+ and status bar API same as the Garmin.

Developers should be happy. :)

[davy19]

I pass and hold onto my nx80

only 640x480

and I think it is too big, if I wanted a laptop I would rater bring my laptop with me, and have full functionailty

[cykalan]

Originally posted by davy19
I pass and hold onto my nx80

only 640x480

and I think it is too big, if I wanted a laptop I would rater bring my laptop with me, and have full functionailty
actually it's smaller than your NX80......only wider.....both shorter and thinner......

[n2ifp]

I tried to warn everyone :)

[n2ifp]

Originally posted by pdbgrafx
Now all we need are the specs and pricing!

$590.00 USD in Japan

[davy19]

Originally posted by cykalan

actually it's smaller than your NX80......only wider.....both shorter and thinner......

yeah but wider is not good

cant use 1 hand now


i like the form factor of the nx series

[cykalan]

Originally posted by davy19



cant use 1 hand now


not really, the width of the UX50 is about 1cm shorter than the height of the N760, i just try grabbing my N760 in "landscape" :D mode...just feeling a bit uncomfortable but with that 1-2cm less on the UX50 i am almost sure about that i will be able to grab it with one hand very comfortably....;)

this will vary for different hand sizes though.....need to get hold of the actual thing to verify....

[mvfrancisco]

Am I the only one that listens to music on my clie? this thing blows as an mp3 player... Unless I'm mistaken, this looks like the first clamshell clie that doesn't have the extended headphone jack to accomodate a remote control for the audioplayer.

It sounds like if I have the clie in my bag while listening to my mp3s, i'd have to take it out, open it up, take it off hold, and press the screen with my finger. At the very least they should've put dedicated audio player buttons on the outside where the e-mail, browser and datebook buttons are... and then possibly move those buttons to the area around the screen. (Because hey, are you ever going to browse, read e-mail or check your schedule with the clie closed?)

Looks like more bad design from sony.

[Godzilla63]

Originally posted by cykalan


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Hey I did just get off a Cathay flight :) ...and I'm even in HK..

BTW it looks very cool to me BUT it has to have a working MP3 player with at least a gig of storage. Too bad they gave up on the CF slot :confused:

[cykalan]

Am I the only one that listens to music on my clie? this thing blows as an mp3 player... Unless I'm mistaken, this looks like the first clamshell clie that doesn't have the extended headphone jack to accomodate a remote control for the audioplayer.

yeah, this is another drawback of the UX...but well...with wlan and bt i can bear with that....


or.....sony's already planning to squeeze you another $100 by releasing a bluetooth remote control...! :D

Hey I did just get off a Cathay flight

Thank you for flying with Cathay Pacific. :D
You're from townsville? I am in Australia now....:p

[Eddy]

I would still hold off for now, the UX50 is impressive, but something about Sony that holds me back when it comes to upgrading to their new line of Clies. Seems the UX50 is only a minor beginner to a new line of CLIE devices. IMHO. :)

[basta666]

I read about the UX50 (www.golem.de /german)
he had only 123Mhz and PalmOS 5.2

can anyone here say something about the MHZ ?

thanks

[Unregistered]

yeah i just bought an sj33 a few weeks ago and man do i feel like i have an obsolete unit! I will wait at least a year though for full OS6 functionality and WIFI and bluetooth are commonplace. Then i will drop for a new one.

[Tixx]

Needs more RAM, higher pixel camera and possibly cell phone capabilities for me to consider it. I've still got 8 months till my next upgrade time comes <crossing fingers>:)

[Tixx]

Is this going to screw with all the programs out there now needing to be updated for the horizontal screen now?

[palmsolo]

Tixx,

That is exactly what I have been wondering about. I don't see how the programs will fit on the display unless the right side contains the Graffiti area. I guess we'll have to wait and see.

[Phalanx]

Hmm, I guess the CLIE UX50 isn't being hyped enough. This thread is already on the 3rd or 4th page.

I need to bump it.

*BUMP*

/sarcasm

Anyways, the built-in WiFi and BT is a step in the right direction, but where is my smartphone CLIE (Check out my avatar)?

[Ezikial Anta]

Ohhh i see netfront version 3.0!

[purpleice]

OK so what happened to the little proto type???

[Unregistered]

i have been waiting for a device like this eversince HP released Omnigo 100. I thought that was the ultimate design and in recent wishlist, i hoped sony would develop a machine like ux50. I think a keyboard is much more meaningful if it is in landscape layout..hopefully sony will keep on developing this line...congratulations sony engineers...u did it once again! keep up the good work..

Alex

[tonyreynolds]

Originally posted by basta666
I read about the UX50 (www.golem.de /german)
he had only 123Mhz and PalmOS 5.2

can anyone here say something about the MHZ ?

thanks

Yeah, the speed of the processor is variable depending on what it's working on at the time, from 2-123MHz...

Tony

[Tixx]

Originally posted by palmsolo
Tixx,

That is exactly what I have been wondering about. I don't see how the programs will fit on the display unless the right side contains the Graffiti area. I guess we'll have to wait and see.

Every time they make changes like that it becomes another issue to accommodate.

[Tixx]

Originally posted by philipv
Hmm, I guess the CLIE UX50 isn't being hyped enough. This thread is already on the 3rd or 4th page.

I need to bump it.

*BUMP*

/sarcasm

Anyways, the built-in WiFi and BT is a step in the right direction, but where is my smartphone CLIE (Check out my avatar)?

I want a smartphone too!

[Tixx]

Originally posted by tonyreynolds


Yeah, the speed of the processor is variable depending on what it's working on at the time, from 2-123MHz...

Tony


I'm confused, I thought this thing had a 300mhz.

[tonyreynolds]

Originally posted by Tixx



I'm confused, I thought this thing had a 300mhz.

Sorry, I was a little off, it's 8-123MHz... Here's a quote from Ed over at Brighthand:

"The Clie PEG-UX50 will use Palm OS version 5.2 and run on what Sony calls its Handheld Engine. The Handheld Engine appears to consist of a Sony-made ARM926 based processor, a Digital Signal Processor (DSP), and a CXD2230GA graphics accelerator chip. Sony says this has been optimized for handheld devices, focusing on battery life and speed, and it will allow Movie Player to play video at 30 fps. The exact frequency of the processor varies between 8 MHz and 123 MHz, depending on the demand being placed on it."

Please note that this model doesn't have an Intel chip, it's Sony's own inhouse design...

Tony

[Unregistered]

Must....get.....UX. Was just at Circuit City testing out NX80 model, was tempted to buy it, then went home to see about any news for the new model...thank God I waited. I am definately gettin this baby when it comes out. It is exactly what I been dreaming bout for a while, I wanted landscape mode now have to start making wallpapers for this model ^_^.

[Unregistered]

If the memory issue is still unclear:

104MB = 32MB RAM + 64MB Flash + 64Mb/8MB onchip cache/videoram/heap/whatever

32MB RAM = 16MB user avaiable + 16MB system heap

64MB Flash = 42MB Sony clie applications + 22MB empty (probably running some kind of VFS RAM disk)

8MB onchip = for the system/3D graphics/OpenGL framebuffer/who knows

Anyway, only 16MB pdb/prc ram...

[Salty10is]

Alright, I guess I'll be the first to admit that I was wrong to say some of the things I said about Sony. :-)

This is a veryyyy nice innovative device. Hopefully they'll tag an attractive price tag to it too! Thanks Sony!

[Unregistered]

Originally posted by Unregistered
i have been waiting for a device like this eversince HP released Omnigo 100. I thought that was the ultimate design and in recent wishlist, i hoped sony would develop a machine like ux50. I think a keyboard is much more meaningful if it is in landscape layout..hopefully sony will keep on developing this line...congratulations sony engineers...u did it once again! keep up the good work..

Alex
you should have checked out the zaurus then :-)

the form factor is nothing new, Sharp Zaurus has already got one.
(the screen twists around too..)

http://www.sharp.co.jp/products/slc750/image/main.gif

http://www.sharp.co.jp/products/slc750/index.html

[networker]

PCWorld Review:

http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,111606,00.asp

[n2ifp]

I am waiting to see what Sony actually posts and what accessories come with it. If nothing else, I want to play with one!

[PEG-SJ30]

Originally posted by n2ifp
I am waiting to see what Sony actually posts and what accessories come with it. If nothing else, I want to play with one!
What happened to your ZXR90? :cool:

[flyclieguy]

I think the jog dial could be very difficult to use. The dial needs to be on the keyboard face on the edge. You'll have to kink you thumb to the side which could be uncomfortable. I'll wait and see it in the stores and try it myself. I won't get it, because again the camera is worthless, and I don't use wireless that much that I need it built in. A WIFI card works fine. Plus with no CF, you are a puppet to the Sony proprietory MS.

[cliejunkie]

CNET NEWS ARTICLE on UX50 (http://news.com.com/2100-1041_3-1026989.html?tag=fd_top)

Here is the cnet news release on the new model.

Anyone know why I can't post new threads? Moderators?

[Wade]

WHy is noone talking about the USB slot? Doesnt this mean all those USB memory cards, no to mention usb muce, keyboards etc COULD theoretically be connected??

[JwY]

wade
it says on the official sony site that it is for pc connectivity only
like hotsyncing

[networker]

Originally posted by Wade
WHy is noone talking about the USB slot? Doesnt this mean all those USB memory cards, no to mention usb muce, keyboards etc COULD theoretically be connected?? Only if the USB is a USB Host. In a normal setup PC is the host and USB Memory is a periperal. Two peripherals cannot talk to each other.

Now if sony designed it to act as host it would open the device up to various peripherals in theory. I say in theory because knowing Sony, they would not release the specs or release API for it publicly. But, I wish to be proved wrong....

[Godzilla63]

Originally posted by cykalan


yeah, this is another drawback of the UX...but well...with wlan and bt i can bear with that....


or.....sony's already planning to squeeze you another $100 by releasing a bluetooth remote control...! :D



Thank you for flying with Cathay Pacific. :D
You're from townsville? I am in Australia now....:p

No... I'm not from that Townsville (I'd never connected the two actually). The townsville that I refer to is where the power puff girls come from. :p
But I have actually been to Townsville in Queensland...

[AndyJapan]

Originally posted by networker
Only if the USB is a USB Host. In a normal setup PC is the host and USB Memory is a periperal. Two peripherals cannot talk to each other.

Now if sony designed it to act as host it would open the device up to various peripherals in theory. I say in theory because knowing Sony, they would not release the specs or release API for it publicly. But, I wish to be proved wrong....

The USB port is only for connecting to a PC! That is what I have read on the Japanese SONY website. No chance to connect any other devices. It is only for HotSyncing.

[Tixx]

Originally posted by tonyreynolds


Sorry, I was a little off, it's 8-123MHz... Here's a quote from Ed over at Brighthand:

"The Clie PEG-UX50 will use Palm OS version 5.2 and run on what Sony calls its Handheld Engine. The Handheld Engine appears to consist of a Sony-made ARM926 based processor, a Digital Signal Processor (DSP), and a CXD2230GA graphics accelerator chip. Sony says this has been optimized for handheld devices, focusing on battery life and speed, and it will allow Movie Player to play video at 30 fps. The exact frequency of the processor varies between 8 MHz and 123 MHz, depending on the demand being placed on it."

Please note that this model doesn't have an Intel chip, it's Sony's own inhouse design...

Tony

Thanks:) So now it needs an upgraded processor, more RAM, higher res camera and a smart phone.

[n2ifp]

No FM tuner either :(

[greg elmassian]

yeah, the processor speed is disappointing... but having a browser in "normal" landscape mode sounds nice...
Greg

[tonyreynolds]

The processor speed insn't disappointing at all...

It's running on Sony's in-house chip. We don't really know yet how it compares to the Intel chips Sony has used in the NX's and NZ. 123MHz could be equivalent to 400MHz on the Intel: time and testing will tell.

Tony

[silentspyguy]

Looks alot like the GBA SP...games developed for the UX will be really nice...

[Eddy]

nice but just frightening to think sony would pull another trick within the coming 3 months. but built-in WiFi & bluetooth is really nice, just the additional battery pack makes it look so much like a sandwich, makes me feel hungry. LOL :p

[greg elmassian]

the processor is an arm 9, (read the description) not as fast or efficient as an XScale at the same MHz..... the dsp is not used for computing only sounds...

so it will be significantly slower in response as compared to a 200 MHz XScale...

I'm in the business of using Arm cores in ASICs.... the max speed for arm 7,9,10 's are in the low 200's, no one has matched Intel's XScale yet... so the speed of the ARM core Sony used is understandable for a first product, and since the mp3 is offloaded it's ok, but it will be significantly slower than an NZ...

Greg Elmassian
VP Engineering
Pulse~LINK Inc.
www.pulselink.net

[greg elmassian]

p.s. knowing Japanese manufacturers and thinking (worked for several Japanese companies), I'm sure that the dsp and the graphics acceleration "let" the engineers use a slower processor... and the concern with battery life, as shown by the 8-123 MHz variable clock...

Greg

[Tixx]

Originally posted by tonyreynolds
The processor speed insn't disappointing at all...

It's running on Sony's in-house chip. We don't really know yet how it compares to the Intel chips Sony has used in the NX's and NZ. 123MHz could be equivalent to 400MHz on the Intel: time and testing will tell.

Tony

I don't get this. Isn't that like saying Sony is redefining the length of an inch, depth of a fathom, weight of a pound?



Abbreviation for megahertz. One MHz represents one million cycles per second. The speed of microprocessors, called the clock speed, is measured in megahertz. For example, a microprocessor that runs at 200 MHz executes 200 million cycles per second. Each computer instruction requires a fixed number of cycles, so the clock speed determines how many instructions per second the microprocessor can execute. To a large degree, this controls how powerful the microprocessor is. Another chief factor in determining a microprocessor's power is its data width (that is, how many bits it can manipulate at one time).

[Alistar]

Direct processing power would need to match true, but you need to take everything into account. The new centrino processors which clock at 1.3MHz (the ones I have access to) will run just as efficiently as a 2.4Ghz Intel P4. High-end graphics processing won't compare, but for practically all normal use you barely see a difference. There is bus speed and several other factors to take into account. Just because the core processor can do x number of processes a second doesn't mean the rest of the board can handle that entire speed.
I speak from personal experience here, I am not sure exactly how it works, but that is just what I have noticed.

[Tixx]

Originally posted by Alistar
Direct processing power would need to match true, but you need to take everything into account. The new centrino processors which clock at 1.3MHz (the ones I have access to) will run just as efficiently as a 2.4Ghz Intel P4. High-end graphics processing won't compare, but for practically all normal use you barely see a difference. There is bus speed and several other factors to take into account. Just because the core processor can do x number of processes a second doesn't mean the rest of the board can handle that entire speed.
I speak from personal experience here, I am not sure exactly how it works, but that is just what I have noticed.

A bus is almost like a bottle neck, correct? So do Clies have a bus? And MHz are not efficiency, but speed I thought by the definition I have above. This is confusing.

[Alistar]

I don't entirely know what I am talking about, although I probably should. But I do know that just because you maye have a 2GHz computer, it could still be slower than a 600MHz computer if the other components aren't implemented correctly.
Yes MHz are speed, but I was referring to a computer in general. My centrino 1.3Mhz laptop (well its not actually mine, but ...) runs better than our current set of office 2.2GHz desktops under the same software configuration, allowing for some difference in utilities.

[n2ifp]

Heck, it's well know that Apple and AMD have processors that run circles around Intel's higher MHz ratings.

[dannyboy]

i agree. i dun understand wat is all these obsessions with numbers..

[MacTavish]

but will it sync with a Mac as well as the current line does? w or w/o Missing Sync?

[keithwwalker]

The new Clie UX is nice, but I was hoping for a phone and fm transmitter. Can anyone say UX60?

I already have the bluetooth memory stick and wireless 802.11 CF card for my NX60, so I will watch and wait.

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[msanto]

My thought is it's still too light on the RAM (Come on Sony, Palm has 64 MB!) and could use a faster processor (why not 400 MHz?).

Also too pricey. Oh, and w/ OS 6 coming out not too long after this comes out, I'd rather wait for OS 6.

[JackAxe]

The UX is no longer using a XSLUG and has the addition of a DSP chip and faster graphics chip, so the 400Mhz was not needed. I'm happy that SONY dropped that CPU. If the UX shipped with a XSLUG, the battery capacity would be reduced considerably.

The PALM also has a mono headphone jack. :)

The UX has 104MB or RAM, that's more then PALM's 64 MB.

16 MB available for storage of files and programs
16 MB available for system back up
29 MB available for media storage

That leaves 43 MB, I wonder if that is all for System apps?

<]=)

[Unregistered]

Originally posted by Tixx


I don't get this. Isn't that like saying Sony is redefining the length of an inch, depth of a fathom, weight of a pound?



Abbreviation for megahertz. One MHz represents one million cycles per second. The speed of microprocessors, called the clock speed, is measured in megahertz. For example, a microprocessor that runs at 200 MHz executes 200 million cycles per second. Each computer instruction requires a fixed number of cycles, so the clock speed determines how many instructions per second the microprocessor can execute. To a large degree, this controls how powerful the microprocessor is. Another chief factor in determining a microprocessor's power is its data width (that is, how many bits it can manipulate at one time).


MHZ is NOT an accurate measure of computer speed, its is only a measure of how many instructions the CPU can perform per second.

it does NOT take into account, how LONG the instructions are, nor does it take into account HOW and WHICH instructions are being computed. back in the Pre 1ghz days you could compare Mhz to Mhz, beacuse almost all CPU's were running on the same basic setup, but now we have different RAM, different BUS speeds, different everything so you cant compare.

using MHZ is like saying my car has a 3.2lr engine in it, so its better then a 1.8, it does not take into account the weight of the car, the compression of the engine, etc etc.

thats why a 2ghz AMD will keep pace with a 3Ghz Intel, and that an 1.6Ghz 64bit chip is about as fast as a 2.4Ghz 32bit, and that a RISC vs a CISC processor have VERY different perfomance/clock rates.

DONT measure things in MHZ and NEVER do it in the PDA world, things are just to specalized to make general assumptions. you notice that NO PDA maker advertises on boxes the MHZ of the Model, they simply state PERHAPS the cpu model, or that it has DSP, or its XSCALE, but they never compare direct MHZ because that its just useless.