NZ90's Camera

[Jun]

Check this out:

http://www.mobilemag.com/content/100/336/C1436/

The new bluetooth-digital camera from Sony resembles the one in NZ90! Hmm! That makes me think to wait for an NZ Clie with 4.1 MegaPixel.

[Oneeyesquare]

VERY interesting!!!!! I'm guessing will see that high of resolution eventually>

[deadlyfoez]

give it a quarter

[ArK]

Some things to consider are will it work with the new memorystick format, will it work with memory stick at all or have a built in hd, and finally what will the price be. While many of us know how to get the nx for $500 or cheaper, the nz is only $200 more then the list price of nx. $200 for a 2mp digital camera is not unreasonable plus you get other benfits. I doubt that a 4mp pda will be out within 2003. If you don't like the nz thats your concern, but personally I allready sold my nx and have preordered the nz.

[jedix]

Originally posted by deadlyfoez
give it a quarter

I assume you mean, give it 3 more months. Not, give it 25 cents!
:D :D

[oneeyesquare]

Yes, it was reported that NZ will work with the new MemstickPro. Don't remember if it was via system upgrade like the NX or if it will work out of the box.
As for the camera resolution upgrade this year on a new model, the NX came out in Oct., the NZ in Feb, and the next high end model, if it follows the same pattern, would come out in May... That's the gamble I feel towards the NZ. If I can "upgrade" with my service warranty, I'll get it. If not, I'm gonna be patient....

[davy19]

Originally posted by oneeyesquare
Yes, it was reported that NZ will work with the new MemstickPro. Don't remember if it was via system upgrade like the NX or if it will work out of the box.
As for the camera resolution upgrade this year on a new model, the NX came out in Oct., the NZ in Feb, and the next high end model, if it follows the same pattern, would come out in May... That's the gamble I feel towards the NZ. If I can "upgrade" with my service warranty, I'll get it. If not, I'm gonna be patient....


I am not sure may, wasnt it 6 months apart?

So next would be Setp/Oct?

[ArK]

I know the nz will work with the memorystick pro... i was jsut refering to the camera that he put forth at the top of this thread.

[oneeyesquare]

Ark, wasn't sure if you meant the camera so i indexed to the NZ. Meant no offense!!
Davy, I bought my NX 10/30/2002. It was the first one out of the crate at my local CCity. They announcement was around 10/8, if I remember correctly. The NZ was arround Jan 10-13 somewhere (CES). Thats roughly 100 days announcement to announcement or buy to buy (assuming the NZ is released around the 16-20 of Feb. If Sony stays on the same release track, that'd make for late April/earlyMay announcement. All conjecture, but intriguing to me.

[ArK]

whats funny is if you go to thsi website http://www.sony.jp/CLIE/index_pc.html and click on the demo and then click on quality and then the remote camera button u see the nz90 working with the camera at the top of this thread (DSC-FX77). It shows how this camera will work with blutooth to connect to the nz90.

[ArK]

oh and 1isq I wasn't being hostile. Sorry if I snapped.

[oneeyesquare]

Sweet flash demo!!!!! That makes the US demo look like crap!!!! Thanx for the link Ark!!!!

[ArK]

np

[eric2002]

I agree Sony will probably come out w/ a higher resolution camera at some point...but probably not until 2004 is my guesstimate.
Personally I think 2megapixel cameras are the perfect size. I have never printed anything bigger than 4x6, this 2 megapixel camera on the NZ supposedly prints nicely up to 5x7,... a 3 megapixel and higher is good for printing at say 8x10, 11x14,etc... this isn't something I am interested in. I think there is a mis-conception in the digital camera world that higher megapixel means better camera. I think this is untrue, I think 2 megapixels is ideal for most people, an optical zoom is always better than digital zoom, and lens quality is another huge factor in camera picture quality. All the higher megapixel represents is the size at which you can make a print, it doesn't necesarrily mean the camera is better.

anyway, just my 2 cents!

[jmg_NX21]

NOW that flash demo (once I found it) blew me away...

[fireants22]

i enjoyed the flash demo too..... but notice the gratuitous use of black and blurring to hide the THICK-parts ;)

sorry, me bad.
(iM getting one...it is just fun go along with the naysayers and joke about it:D )

[eric2002]

I am getting an NZ also!! ...why so many clie NZ haters in the clie forum???? maybe they are spies from the pocket pc world and are just jealous that the NZ is better than anything they have.

[LITTLESIX]

Should have been here when the NX came out. All the Nr's were doing the exact same thing (and then alot of them went out and bought one.) Notice how quiet it is in NR most of the time?

It's technolust - they'll pick one problem with the unit and ride that sucker til it's dead and turned to dust. The first two weeks of this really annoyed me cuz they all came off so whiney, now it's just gotten boring. I guess they've moved onto other turf, like the other unit being released or the new MS's.

[ArK]

Amen

[CeasarMA]

Excellent point Littlesix,

SomethingI can't understand with the 2MP nay-sayers. Who in their right mind, wanting a "stand alone" camera even think about buying the NZ for the camera alone. The whole point of the NX camera was 1) have a better camera than the NR and 2) Continue the trend of allowing people to have a little camera (that is part of something they may be carrying) that takes quick snap shots. I have my 35mm and my 717, great cameras, but I hate carrying them all the time.

As far as carrying it, what's the problem? When I am at the office, I am carrying other stuff anyways and it is only from point A to point B. If I was doing the urban hiking thing I have a little brief bag or should bag.

Oh well to each his own.

ceasar

[fireants22]

i for one was gonna buy the new 2mp sony mini"U" camera until this thing came out...
Can anyone tell me if the camera on the NX is comparable to a 1megapixel camera?.

As of now, i either buy the NZ (it is available on Feb8th here in japan) or pick up a used NX (which go for about $450US now)

I actually already sold my old m505 a month ago thinking/hoping that Apple was gonna release a newtonII in january, but that never happened, so thus my delema.....

[CeasarMA]

The NX has a 300,000 pixel camera. vice the 1,000,000 pixel that you were asking. (I think I write out the pixel count to keep it straight in my own head.

FYI
The memory stick camera, for the other Clies, is only 100,000 pixels.


ceasar

[fireants22]

thanks a lot...now the decision also is whether i think I need the bluetooth or the card reader (that to me is just a bonus gadget feature- since i do travel with one of those SUICA rail passes)

mmm...tough call, cuz many lame-o's ditch perfectly good product (mint-conditioned NX-70vs at bargain prices) for the next big thing here in japan.
You should see the wicked bargain/steal I got on a mint-conditioned (still under warranty) TitaniumG4-laptop last week, when the new models got announced....i love japan.:D

[CeasarMA]

Yeah, I am not sure about the bluetooth and the WLAN myself. I will have to recover from my NZ before I can get the bluetooth phone for internet surfing . . . I don't even think I need that. I get basic internet through my present phnoe for quick news, sports scores, weather.

I switched from the NX to the NZ b/c I figured that since I just got the NX what was another $200 (at that point) for a better camera. I have been tempted for the Sony U camera as a secondary to my 717. Kill to birds with one stone.

As far as the G4, now you are just rubbing it in. Thanks.

ceasar

[fireants22]

thanks ceasar, youVe been a great help...

i have the same kinda reason for wanting the "U"...i have a p5 (i know it aint exactly big), but i figure the U is something i would definately carry with me ALL the time for the candid, spontaneous moments...that is what i hope the NZ can do for me aswell. The bonus of the NZ being that you will be able to view the images on the massive high rez-screen vs. the puny 1" on the "U".

Sorry, i wasnt trying to RUB-it-in...
Rubbing it in would be taking a picture of me listening to my iPod while using my new TiG4-laptop with my spanking new NZ!!!! :D

[CeasarMA]

Now that was worthy of an end of the week chuckle.

Its good to hear something better than the usual whine.

ceasar

[likestech]

I thought the NZ 90's 2.0 megapizel camera might be one of its best features, then I reconsidered how unhappy I am using the NRv 70 as a camera. Of course, the NRV70 has a pretty bad camera, but even with increased megapixels, I think PDAs make clumsy cameras. I prefer sony's u20 for its tiny size and convenience as my carry-everywhere digicam.

[davy19]

If you want one of the tiniest best cameras out there check this one out:

http://exilim.casio.com/

They are coming out with a 4 mp in arpil/may for aorund $350 or so as well, in the same size.

[likestech]

You're right, the casio is a very nice small camera. I saw it at CES.

The form factor of both cameras is pretty nice. Although the casio has a version with more pixels, it is difficult to decide since the sony uses memory sticks for storage, which I already have in my Clie. If I didn't already have a high-end camera for special occasions, then the 4 mp might matter more.

Sony's cybershot u20 is actually about half the size of a credit card, but mayber 1/4 inch thicker than the casio; either one is probably better than using a camera stuffed inside a PDA.

[fireants22]

...but point being. If I was to carry around a pda anyways, why carry an additional 2mp camera (either an elixim or U20) when you can get the NZ which makes it more convenient than to have to carry 2 things? Also if you had gotten an NX instead + a U20 + bluetooth, the added cost of the NZ more-then-covers the price of an additional U20 and bluetooth memorystick...

[CeasarMA]

Here, here!

[davy19]

Originally posted by fireants22
...but point being. If I was to carry around a pda anyways, why carry an additional 2mp camera (either an elixim or U20) when you can get the NZ which makes it more convenient than to have to carry 2 things? Also if you had gotten an NX instead + a U20 + bluetooth, the added cost of the NZ more-then-covers the price of an additional U20 and bluetooth memorystick...


Well I am trying to contempalte it myself. I wont make my full decision until I see the full quality of what kind of pics the NZ takes.

I have seen the pics from the Casio exlim, and I must say I was very impresse from something that small, it takes SD cards, and has lots of features and customization that you would expect in a camera, vs NZ only has a few options you can use.

So the real question will be how good the quality of the camera on the NZ is, becuase if you still have to pull out a Casio exslim , U20, or carry your 717, then why bother with NZ

[eric2002]

Yes I agree w/ the earlier posts, I don't want to carry an MP3 player a camera (no matter what the size) and a PDA with me ... 3 different items.. too much to worry about mis-placing and too bulky. I think a little extra size is worth it to me to have all these things in one device.

[beano]

Is it a Zeiss lens in the NZ ?

[Jun]

Originally posted by beano
Is it a Zeiss lens in the NZ ?

Good question!!!

I wish it is but it's not! (I guess). Otherwise, 'Carl Zeiss' should have been printed instead of 'Sony Lens' and Ed could have mentioned it it in his review. Look carefully at this brighthand.com's link:

http://www.brighthand.com/images/nz90_review_14.jpg

Cheers!

[beano]

Originally posted by msgate


Good question!!!

I wish it is but it's not! (I guess). Otherwise, 'Carl Zeiss' should have been printed instead of 'Sony Lens' and Ed could have mentioned it it in his review. Look carefully at this brighthand.com's link:

http://www.brighthand.com/images/nz90_review_14.jpg

Cheers!

Thanks I've read Ed's review. I didn't see anyone mention the made of the lens so thought I'd ask. I guess it makes no difference whichever the brand as long as it takes good photos. Iwish Sony would improve its lousy viewer app; that'd be a better incentive to have a truly portable camera with the ability to make note at the same time.

[jmg_NX21]

UGH that HORRENDOUSLY SLOTH-esque viewer... *gasp*

IT made ME go out and buy AI.

Maybe that is it...

[pinut]

I got a digital camera a Sony DSC-S85 and thinking of selling it (and my N710 as well) in favor of NZ90. I saw the quality of the pictures posted by Ed from brighthand.com and I can tell, the quality almost beat the DSC-S85s.