Americans like bluetooth sony!

[s_n_m]

I am getting a little tired of "americans don't like bluetooth they like wifi, so dont put bluetooth in that pda/laptop/cell"

Well, I am American and I like bluetooth. Sony, you hear me?

Come on people lets pressure sony (and sony ericcson) to give us americans more bluetooth!

Random google images:

http://www.jewelnotebooks.nl/images/special/bluetooth-picture.jpg

http://image.pathfinder.com/time/europe/magazine/2002/1111/bluetooth.jpg

[Drachen]

Ericsson doesn't have to be convinced. Most of the high-end SE phones have had BT since the heady days of the R520. They were one of the original members of the BT SIG. The problem is that most Americans will only buy the absolute cheapest phone they can. If Ericsson, Sony or whoever doesn't have to pay the extra $5/unit for the BT chip, that adds up over the course of hundreds of thousands of units. Sales aren't going down because the low-end phones don't have BT. Blame your countrymen, not Sony. (I'm with you, BTW, BT is the most useful feature on my T68i. It certainly isn't the reception!)

[orol]

snm: SE actually stopped producing cell phones for US market at all
the t610 and I guess T602 for CDMA are the last phones for US market .. actually only those having GSM operator and european triband cell phone will enjoy BT in the future

[s_n_m]

SE doesnt make any phones here at all? Why? How the hell am I going to get my phone now?

Oh well, I guess they don't want my money, they are giving away a multibillion dollar marketplace to Nokia.

[mvfrancisco]

i think sony stopping production of CDMA phones is due more to the rapid adoption of GSM in North America rather than a desire to ignore the US Market. Rather than be forced to make US specific phones, they can now make phones that will work in NY, Paris and Baghdad.

I think bluetooth suffers more from poor implementation and marketing than anything else. Sony seems to be ready to address those issues with their FEEL project, which supposedly will make using bluetooth out of the box as easy as A-B-C. As an example, they spoke about waving a BT camera in front of a laptop, the laptop instantly recognizing the camera, popping open its icon on the desktop, and then automatically downloading the photos from the camera.

Of course FEEL -- like all Sony technologies -- will be proprietary.

[s_n_m]

Which destroys the whole purpose of the technology??? WTH Sony is so dumb with proprietary tech...

[s_n_m]

BTW Bluetooth is easy as 1 2 3

1) Turn on "discoverable" on what you want to link to.
2) On the device you are linking, select what you want to link to out of the list and type the password
3) On the device you are linking to type the password again

And you only need to do that once ;)

[PEG-SJ30]

I don't care about this Bluetooth thing, but:

1. It's supposed to replace IrDA
2. Sony purposely omits BT from the US models
3. Sony milks us for the full price $599/499, regardless

[Jeffry]

I personally believe that bluetooth peripherals are wayyyy to expensive right now. I rather have a built-in WiFi CLIE to connect to a home network...

[NIKT]

Well PEG-SJ30, you're right about Sony's Marketing Strategies not always making much sense, but have you actually try to use BT over IrDa?

[Unregistered]

cell phone prices in the us are largely subsidized. so you can get free or discount cell phones when you sign up for a line. whereas in asia and europe, you don't see those types of discounts. in the us, they want a cheap phone. take a look at the t68 sold anywhere - bestbuy, circuit city, etc - no where on the descriptiont tag does it even say bluetooth.

[s_n_m]

The difference between IR and BT is not that one requires line of sight and the other doesn't, its that bluetooth already is set up to act like ethernet, allowing you instant access into a LAN as long as there is an AP. With IR there is only one option I heard of and it doesn't have a LAN profile.

[Rob]

I for one definitely want built-in bluetooth in a NX80V (or a T-series w/ virtual graffiti)

[n2ifp]

I want 802.11g WiFi built into my Clamshell Clie! ! !

[sindu]

I want both WIFI and BT in any PDA..

[s_n_m]

Of course that is ideal. But all these companies are to cheap to give us the standards.

[Ni+Mh]

I don't like BT, I love Bluetooh.Used to have a BT AP in my shop a few months back,and I'm getting a new one soon enough!Whoohoo!

[mvfrancisco]

i like BT too, but man is it a pain sometimes.

Pairing the T68m and TG50 was simple... if by simple you mean, attempting to pair, pairing but not being able to send anything, then downloading T68 drivers and attempting to pair again and then being able to SMS, but not being able to transfer a background picture to the phone, etc. As for pairing my laptop with the T68 to use the Sony T68 apps.... that was even less successful.

But transferring notes and pictures and any other files over IR? THAT was A-B-C.

I love using BT now to SMS, e-mail, surf and autodial, but setting it up was a pain. I think Sony's on the right track with FEEL, but it should've been an idea that the Bluetooth SIG addressed from the beginning, rather than leaving it up to whatever company could implement EZ-BT first. But I think that if Sony *does* make it simple to operate right out of the box, bluetooth *will* do better in the US.

just my .02

[Salty10is]

Noooo...Sony needs to come out with an integrated Wi-Fi device. Bluetooth is too slow. Sure its good for short range, like printers and cell phones. But is that small cord running from your computer to your printer really buggin ya that much!??

[VCodePony]

Noooo...Sony needs to come out with an integrated Wi-Fi device. Bluetooth is too slow. Sure its good for short range, like printers and cell phones. But is that small cord running from your computer to your printer really buggin ya that much!??Does anyone know of a PalmOS program I could use to measure connection speeds? I have the NX60 and use it with both the Bluetooth Memory Stick and WLAN card. At home, I have a WiFi installation as well as a Bluetooth Access Point. In hotsyncing and/or web browsing I have found the speeds to be identical. As I don't know anyone who's tried this before, I'd like some hard numbers to either proove the speed issue or put it to rest.

[SwissDan]

@Jeffry:

>I personally believe that bluetooth peripherals are wayyyy to
>expensive right now. I rather have a built-in WiFi CLIE to
>connect to a home network..

Hmmm.... wayyyy to expensive? No, you just need a Bluetooth Stick (it's about 20-30 US-$) and MochaPPP. I can surf the Internet, no problem.

The thing is: I haven't succeeded to post pictures to Cliesource.com. If someone need pictures, i can post them...

[Jeffry]

Originally posted by SwissDan
@Jeffry:

>I personally believe that bluetooth peripherals are wayyyy to
>expensive right now. I rather have a built-in WiFi CLIE to
>connect to a home network..

Hmmm.... wayyyy to expensive? No, you just need a Bluetooth Stick (it's about 20-30 US-$) and MochaPPP. I can surf the Internet, no problem.

The thing is: I haven't succeeded to post pictures to Cliesource.com. If someone need pictures, i can post them...

If you're talking about a bluetooth dongle then the setup is just pointless. Why do you surf the net from your PDA when the computer is like 10m away from you?

[archangel]

Not interested in using bluetooth, but I agree it should be included on devices as expensive as the NX series.

[ashVID]

I have said it several times but...the ONLY way BT is going to catch on is if it gets shoved down our throats like the memory stick did.

Their best bet is with PDAs and cell phones. BT is not even in the top 10 of what people want in a PDA and to make matters worse it has become such a niche in the US that companies have begun to exploit it. I saw a very cool M$ BT Keyboard at BB yesterday but it was $129, more than double the irda keyboard.

In a way it is like HDTV, everyone likes the idea but there is a lack of content...but there is a lack of content because there is a lack of HDTV owners...but there is a lack of HDTV owners because of the lack of content...


ash =o)

[Unregistered]

how many people actually have a bluetooth phone???

how many nz users have a bluetooth phone???

[n2ifp]

Catch-22

[Unregistered]

what does that mean?

[n2ifp]

Originally posted by Unregistered
what does that mean?

a. A situation in which a desired outcome or solution is impossible to attain because of a set of inherently illogical rules or conditions:

b. The rules or conditions that create such a situation.

[JwY]

i always wondered what that meant exactly
thx for explaining

[OcellNuri]

The argument about WiFi vs. BT always comes up, and I feel like it doesn't have much point. Both can exist in the same device! WiFi is used for IP based connection. USB is used to connect devices together. I have use for both. I want both in my device. If I can only have one, I just need to decide whether I need to be connected to a network, or connected to my own devices wirelessly. Right now... because I'm about to move to college, the wireless network is more important. But if I were a businessman, on the road a lot, I think wireless connection to my laptop and cell phone would be more important than being able to connect to a hotspot at a coffee shop.

I want a market with devices that have both technologies built in. Palm is doing a great job of this with the Tungsten T/T2 and the Tungsten C. It gives us choices, depending on what is most important. I was hoping that Sony would give us more choices with the NX73/80. Personally... I find myself in situations where both technologies would be awesome to have. I want both WiFi and Bluetooth integrated into one device.

Basically... I guess I'm trying to get to a point. I feel like, when someone says "I don't want Bluetooth, I'd rather have WiFi because the BT range isn't long enough", they are missing the point of each technology. Bluetooth is not ment to be a network connection. It CAN serve as one, through a device such as a cell phone or PC, but it is not going to get that IP address without a little help. At the same time, WiFi isn't designed to connect your PDA to your GPS unit, at least not as gracefully as Bluetooth.

[Unregistered]

you find most of the people wanting a clie with built in bt, don't even have a bt phone.........but they sure all seem to be planning to get a bt phone. again, the illogical decision of choicing data quality over voice quality when buying a cell phone.

[OcellNuri]

Originally posted by Unregistered
you find most of the people wanting a clie with built in bt, don't even have a bt phone.........but they sure all seem to be planning to get a bt phone. again, the illogical decision of choicing data quality over voice quality when buying a cell phone.

But at the same time, I'm not going to buy a BT phone if I don't have a PDA to use it with. I think I'd make the purchases at the same time.

Whether choosing data over voice is logical or not really depends on what your needs are. Logic is all about the context.

[Unregistered]

Might want to give Joseph Heller some credit for "Catch 22" :).

[mvfrancisco]

Originally posted by Unregistered
you find most of the people wanting a clie with built in bt, don't even have a bt phone.........but they sure all seem to be planning to get a bt phone. again, the illogical decision of choicing data quality over voice quality when buying a cell phone.

i think more people have BT than you think. they just don't know it. I see those T68s everywhere (especially since T-mobile was giving them away). But I doubt many of the people holding them even knew what BT was.

and wanting BT in your phone is not necessarily illogical. It's a communication device, and for many people data communication is just as important as voice. I'd much rather be able to check on a stock quote or sports score or read the news through the web rather than calling someone up and asking for it, or having them read my e-mail to me over the phone.

[Luc]

Originally posted by Unregistered
cell phone prices in the us are largely subsidized. so you can get free or discount cell phones when you sign up for a line. whereas in asia and europe, you don't see those types of discounts. in the us, they want a cheap phone. take a look at the t68 sold anywhere - bestbuy, circuit city, etc - no where on the descriptiont tag does it even say bluetooth.

Er, people want to cheap phone here too. Phones in the UK are heavily subsidised - BT has been promoted here but it's only with the increasing use of BT headsets that yer average man in the street is starting to catch on. Us geeks of course have been using BT on our Clies to send mail via our Nokia phones...

[KrnNamja83]

Originally posted by Luc


Er, people want to cheap phone here too. Phones in the UK are heavily subsidised - BT has been promoted here but it's only with the increasing use of BT headsets that yer average man in the street is starting to catch on. Us geeks of course have been using BT on our Clies to send mail via our Nokia phones...

Luc makes a point here...

besides the population of any country that is unique in the aspect that people like us adore gadgets and the invention of more and meaningless gadgets that enhance tasks that did not even require enhancing...besides us, no one else cares, or even knows about the technology that exists today

the average person does not even know how infrared works, let alone know that the existance of infrared reaches beyond just a remote control...

bluetooth will never catch on in the US, because to the majority of the people, bluetooth does not exist

[KrnNamja83]

think about it from the point of view of manufactures...

if you know you cant sell ice cream during the winter time...would you still drive around in your truck to make a small portion of the consumer happy?

[abosco]

Alright, look at this this way.. HP came out with the H1940, a $299 model with a 266 MHz processor, 64 MB RAM (~32 accessible), SDIO, and built-in Bluetooth. We are paying $599 for a model with a 200 MHz processor, 32 MB RAM (16 accessible), MS, lackluster CF, and no Bluetooth. What exactly are we paying DOUBLE the price for when it can't get a few basic improvements?

I mean Jesus, I would expect 400 MHz, 64 MB, built-in Bluetooth, plus full CF support. Sony is milking me. I feel cheap and used.

Now look at their $399 model, the H2215! 400 MHz, 64 MB, built-in Bluetooth, SDIO, and full CF! And it's half the size! We're paying 50% more for what??? Sony, CORRECT THIS!!!

Right now, I'm using Wifi for my home network and hotspots, and those of you using Bluetooth with a Bluetooth AP need to stop glorifying Bluetooth like it's the solution to everything.. Wifi will always be infinitely more prominent for this type of usage. But I want BOTH Wifi and Bluetooth so I can go from my home network to my cell phone to access email and the internet seemlessly. This is how these two technologies can work in harmony, and all Sony needs to do is spend an extra $10 per unit.

The biggest question is WHY!?!?

[RoyoftheRovers]

Must admit that so far I've haven't really justified buying my BT MS. Internet connections here are poor at best and with my Clie even worse. I'm hoping that BT will improve and I can find more uses for the MS but at this stage I'm only wishing.