Dont Hard Reset Until You've Read This! (Warm Reset)

[djpm05]

While messing with my clie I noticed something that I believe you will all love me for! in my case I had tried to get rid of a file that i didn't want anymore, but it was a silk plug-in and there goes the clie. when you start it you get the "fatal alert" screen, and think you have to hard reset. but you don't! if you forgot to back-up and think you'll loose everything, this might help some (it doesn't work all the time, but it might!) when you restart the clie, press the reset button on the back of the clie, and instead of holding the power buttonn hold the UP button it will take you to the "prefs" menu and click where it says "date & time" at the upper right, and choose "buttons"
assign a new button to any of those using clie files, filez, or any other file program. press that button on your clie and you may be able to save your clie! if nothing else, move vital information to a memory stick. as i said before this doesn't always work, and if one program doesn't work, another might, so keep trying!

Hope this can help some of yall in the future!

Regards,
-David

[Unregistered]

isn't that safe mode?

[djpm05]

i just found out it's called a "warm reset" but i had never read anything about it, so i thought i would put it out on the forum

[Unregistered]

yea, its the same thing, warm and safe mode. about the only time i've seen it come up in a discussion was with silks. thanks

[djpm05]

i just figured it out and thought i had found something great..haha silly me

[Unregistered]

no, a lot of people don't know about it. its a great tip and a great reminder- thanks!

[djpm05]

no problem! hopefully people will find this helpfull!

[vansouza]

Thank you for caring to share, that is what we do here.:)

[aaronrkelly]

This saved me just the other day. I installed program and it caused an endless reset loop. Used the warm reset, then deleted the offending application followed by a soft reset and VIOLA' all is right in the world.

This really is a life saver and something not many know about.

[djpm05]

I was lucky enough to find it, I had forgotten to press and hold the power button, and instead I just press the "up" button thinking I needed to delete all my information. I was very surprised to see that I didn't loose anything and it worked!

[rodmx]

great tip, thanks for sharing it
;)

[Eddy]

wow, nice info! I had many of this incident while playing with YiShow on my N760. often comes Fatal Error keeps resetting, the only work around was for me to beam via IR, another application to the CLIE so to avoid the "fatal error", this would definitely come in handy! :D

[kp*]

Thanks for sharing this. It is really useful and easy to forget that it's an option. I've had luck with it sometimes, being able to use Filez or FileMan to delete the offending app. Sometimes the file manager would crash on launch, though. I had one time when the prefs menu would crash when pulling up the list of apps to assign the buttons to. Must have been some really messed up app! But this is a great trick that it can never hurt to try.

[avega]

We still love you :D thanks for the reminder :)

[n2ifp]

This has been posted by myself and others numerous times in the past. Apparently it needs to posted more often. It's one of these things that are assumed that everyone knows about. No problem on the posting of it as newbie's appear all the time :).

Ok, very simple, you have to delete the application before it's loaded into the operating system. Once it's loaded, the operating system protects itself from crashing by locking the application.

By using the warm reset, it allows you to prevent the application from loading into the operating system. This way, it can be deleted without crashing the Clie.

You can do a warm reset, which is done by holding the page Up button while pushing in the reset button on the backside of the Clie with the pin from inside your stylus. This won't load anything so there will be no Virtual Graffiti area either. Hit Ctrl-H on the keyboard, go to the Clie Files(file manager), then you can delete the desired application. Afterwards, you then need to do a regular reset by using the little pin from inside your stylus to push the reset button in the backside of your Clie.

BTW, I just added it to the pinned post at the top of this forum for future reference and newbies :).

[Sonyer]

As far as I know, there are altogether 6 different reset methods (soft reset, warm reset, power reset, hard reset, flash ROM reset, upgrade/downgrade OS reset). Hard reset is one of the last resorts. Most of the time resetting loops are due to some crashing files, and we can simply warm reset the device to get rid of the problematic files instead of killing everything once and for all (sounds like regenerating a new Matrix... :p )

[n2ifp]

I couldn't get rid of one Decuma file without a hard reset though, as the OS had it locked. Thank goodness for a good backup :).

[Unregistered]

I own an NX70V
and I've found a better method in dealing with "resetting loops"

1. soft reset the machine
2. after "Preferences" screen appears, quickly push the capture button to enter the camera mode
3. In camera mode, tap the home icon and you can enter the launcher without any "fatal exception" pop-up.

[djpm05]

you can also press ctrl+h and it will take you to the menu, it's a bit easier:P

-David

[PradaVN]

"As far as I know, there are altogether 6 different reset methods (soft reset, warm reset, power reset, hard reset, flash ROM reset, upgrade/downgrade OS reset). "

I know of the soft, warm and hard resets, but how do you do the other three? Also, could you give an example of when to use them? Thanks for the info.

[rob_squared]

Wasn't there a "memo reset"?

[Eddy]

I always backup manually before installing any new softwares or applications. :D

[djpm05]

That's a good idea, and usually we do it, just for those times when you forget :P

-David

[NJFP42]

tried to do a warm reset following the directions above. I keep getting a fatal alert, I can't get to the Cont-H before it all locks up. Any ieas?

Steve H.

[jasonteh84]

thanks 4 tat tip i had this damn problem yesterday i nearly bought it back 2 the dealer i did a hard reset ! n after u sync back your old files it HANG AGAIN damn !! so i dont think i can get back my old stuff any idea anyone?

[jasonteh84]

i hav an idea if its the file in your pda u can do a hard reset n sync it n it will restore all the files 4 u

[NJFP42]

NOW it worked! FYI, you have to remove the MS and CF or you will get the fatal alert. Thanks for all the help guys, I am really learning a lot from these posts.

Thanks again,
Steve H.

[Sonyer]

Originally posted by PradaVN
"As far as I know, there are altogether 6 different reset methods (soft reset, warm reset, power reset, hard reset, flash ROM reset, upgrade/downgrade OS reset). "

I know of the soft, warm and hard resets, but how do you do the other three? Also, could you give an example of when to use them? Thanks for the info.


Here are the last three "special" reset methods (these are what I heard, but have never tried):

4) Power reset:
Simply drain all of the device's battery power by letting it on with auto-off disabled. In a sense it is a way to discharge the battery and it has a simialr effect to hard reset.

5) FlashROM reset: (I call it "nuke-reset". Do it at your own risk)
Sometimes we may put wrong files into ROM and the device may keep crashing or even fail to respond. First, install FlashPro. Press the MEMO button when doing soft-reset. FlashPro will then pop up asking you to proceed. If "yes", ALL PROGRAMS AND DATA installed in RAM AND ROM WILL BE WIPED OUT COMPLETELY. (!!)

6) Upgrade/Downgrade OS reset: (The very last resort)
Press the DOWN button when doing soft reset. You'll see a weird screen, with a small black box flashing in the top left corner. Now you can write Palm OS 3.5/4.0 into the FlashROM and replace everything (except the ROM ID). Right before you proceed to overwrite the ROM, the device can revert to the original state by a soft reset.

[PradaVN]

Thanks a lot for the info, Sonyer!

[djpm05]

what i've learned is that the "warm reset" doesn't always work, I had a silkskin and wanted to delete it (this is before I used photoskin) so i just went into filez and changed it so it could be deleted and did so. it messed my clie up pretty bad. my advise to yall is that a warm reset can work at times, but backup often, because doing this doesn't always work.

-David