EruWare Hiatus?

[Tek Phreak]

Just wondering where you guys went and where all the talks about it went to. Are you guys still beta testing. Are you still adding more features like Format and others? Just curious been a week or two since i've heard anything from you guys.

Enjoi.
-Tek

[michael1960]

Perhaps they are on a well deserved summer vacation? ;)

[cliener]

After all the hard work they put in, I think they probably deserve it. I've read more complaining about the Eru driver than not lately. Perhaps they actually listened to my advice and will just sit back and see what the hacked Sony driver will bring. Why put work into something if someone is just going to hand it out for free? Maybe they will start the new project and get back to the driver later...or not.

[Eddy]

well, a break for them would be nice. :D take 5.
Actually I've been thinking that they're up to something since it's been so ....... quiet.... :p

[wr6969]

Beware of the still waters that run very deep as they say :p ...perhaps they are in the midst of finalising the release of another earth shattering software for the CLIEs...:D

[palo1]

Originally posted by cliener
Why put work into something if someone is just going to hand it out for free? Maybe they will start the new project and get back to the driver later...or not.
Perhaps because of the people who initially bought their product, use it and eagerly await updates.

What is being provided "free" does not compare in features with the Eruware driver, but if that's all you need fine - personally I liken it to "crippleware" and Eruware being the full version. Is Eruware's driver perfect?, no but they only released an update a week ago - I see them on the road to improving their driver, not parked on the side

p

[Eddy]

just thought to bring this thread back to light again, been wondering what's been up with the eruware guys. :D

[n2ifp]

Originally posted by Eddy
just thought to bring this thread back to light again, been wondering what's been up with the eruware guys. :D

The impression I get, is with all the hacks and stuff, no one needs EruWare anymore.

[Eddy]

I still use it. :eek:
& not just because I've spent $27.00 for it, but actually it's quite convient for mount/unmount of the CF Card, without having to physically remove the CF Card from the Slot inorder to use the "banned appz", eg. when you want to record instantly, you don't have to remove the CF Card first, just so that the movie will be recorded to the CLIE. Well, that's just me, I find it useful. :D
Different user have different demands. Like they always say "to each his own." :)

[Alistar]

Originally posted by Eddy
I still use it. :eek:
& not just because I've spent $27.00 for it, but actually it's quite convient for mount/unmount of the CF Card, without having to physically remove the CF Card from the Slot inorder to use the "banned appz", eg. when you want to record instantly, you don't have to remove the CF Card first, just so that the movie will be recorded to the CLIE. Well, that's just me, I find it useful. :D
Different user have different demands. Like they always say "to each his own." :)

I am too tired to write that all out so... I agree.

[Donmichaelo]

Well...I think that just getting record images and movies to and off CF (in dual mode) would make me feel satisfy and happy with EruWare; after that I would allow them to rest :)

I truly prefer Eru than the Hacked One.

[X Gear]

Good luck to anyone who tries to better the Clie'... But I'm sticking with Eruware. I will not consider a hacked driver from another device for my NZ90. I'm patiently awaiting more from Eruware. The general consensus I gather from Eruware's customers are that they want: Stable movie playback from high capacity (1 Gig) CF cards and saving movies directly to CF card. I hope these items are on their agendas.

[Unregistered]

if MS PRO prices dropped down to CF prices - would you still want a CF driver? Or would you want 2 MS slots? Or what if most new Clie's do not have a CF slot? I wouldn't be bothered at all - as long as MS PRO prices were okay. That is Euraware's business challange - as prices drop, so does demand for their product.

[Unregistered]

Originally posted by wr6969
Beware of the still waters that run very deep as they say :p ...perhaps they are in the midst of finalising the release of another earth shattering software for the CLIEs...:D are

You call the CF driver an earth shattering software? Calm down... It is just a CF driver that cannot replace a MS in terms of speed, compatibilty and reliability. This software is strictly for folks who know how to restore a crashed Clie. I would rather call it pretty good beta software for $27...

[archangel]

I had nothing but headaches with the Eru driver and I basically tossed away $27.

Thankfully the hacked driver works great and is stable. It would be nice if Eruware tried to improve their product, but honestly they are no longer needed.

[fogg]

Originally posted by Unregistered
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You call the CF driver an earth shattering software? Calm down... It is just a CF driver that cannot replace a MS in terms of speed, compatibilty and reliability. This software is strictly for folks who know how to restore a crashed Clie. I would rather call it pretty good beta software for $27...

neysayer?
nevermind!

but i have to answer the speed thing. i got 1 ordinary 128mb MS and a sandisk 256mb CF. i did several benchmark tests. the cf is always a bit faster than the ms. even with the voicerecorder i have breaks/missing parts within the record using the MS in SP mode. i do not have these breaks using the CF. i think this is because the cf is faster.

[fogg]

one other thing: no matter which driver is the best - eruware or sony. i am 100% sure that sony would not have published their driver without the existance of the eruware one.

for me this was kind of earthscattering step forward!!! and it was done from eruware.

[ssulux]

so we need to encourage all developer to provide us all stuff of cf drivers before sony make it available.

damn sony.
it is just ridiculous.

[cliener]

I noticed that Globalsource hasn't posted the latest version of the Eruware driver and that right by it is posted to check out the Sony driver so why would anyone continue work on it? This not only shows disrespect to Eruware (wondering if Globalsource has made its quota of money from selling the Edriver and just doesn't care now) and also shows disrespect to the people that have bought the driver from them (sure, its one thing to say hey there is a free driver but posting them right together? why not say "Oh, we took your money and now we spit at you for it". Just my opinion, so when did Cliesource decide to abandon the Edriver?

[Unregistered]

From what I read, the real reason Sony released the driver is NOT because of the power users that bought the Euraware driver. It is because user feedback was disapointed that the CF slot could only be used for Wifi. The majority of NX/NZ owners, do not even know there is the Euraware driver. It is the more experienced and powers users that do. Just take a look at how many Euraware drivers were sold, vs how many NX/NZ's were sold. Take another look at how many Wifi cards were sold. Sony was finding that most people did not consider the cf slot to an important factor when buying the NX/NZ, so they made it an important factor by allowing CF storage. It is a great marketing ploy for Sony.

[Unregistered]

Nah, the history behind the CF slot and Sony goes back a long, long way. They had all sorts of petitions asking for use of the cf slot and the petitions fell on deaf ears. So, I think the Eruware driver prolly was the reason Sony released theirs.

[Eddy]

just my share of my personal opinion, I think sony did release the driver in partial for the NX73/80 series which has caused the outbreak of what is going on now as the "hacked drivers".

I would say I've tried it when they first came out, but they never were, & won't be a replacement for Eruwares's Driver. IMHO
I often unmount it to save battery too, which is quite cool. Not having to worry that leaving the card inserted would drain my battery. :)

[Eddy]

I think the Eruware driver prolly was the reason Sony released theirs.
Exactly, Sony like to dominate as much as they can with the electronic market, their piece of the cake.

[Unregistered]

again, look how many nx/nz sony has sold, and how many euraware and wifi cards were sold. do you really think sony lost sleep over the euraware driver? we're talking hundreds of thousands and millions of dollars, not thousands. sure, sony likes to dominate. buy they don't make and sell software...do they. they want to expand the functionailty of the cf slot, because the average buyer views it as dead weight - if they don't use a wifi card. take a look how many people own a nx/nz, verses how many own a wifi card.

[Unregistered]

even if euraware sold 10,000 drivers (and the did not) - sony did not lose sleep over 270K over a product lifespan. thats a blip on the clie radar screen. or if they sold 1 thousand drivers, that is only 2700 dollars.

[peehdee]

don't u guys think that a rep from sony would look at discussion groups like this one to improve their products?

[Unregistered]

of course, but the question is: where is sony losing more money: potential buyers (so they don't even have a clie yet) who view the cf slot as deadweight and a built in feature they don't want to pay for (since there is only offiically a wifi driver), or exisiting customers (and since sony does not sell software, they only lose on m/s sales). that is the question. i mean, how much money did sony lose because people now buy cf cards rather than m/s. for me, since at the time i didn't have wifi at home, i saw no reason to upgrade to the nx when it first came out. just take a look at how many wifi cards they have sold, vs how many nx/nz they sold. and even if eurawre sold 2 thousand drivers, which i doubt, that is only $54K excluding cost. you don't loose sleep over that. this would be a totallly different situation though, if sony sold software as well. heck, you don't even have to use netfront which they supply. how many people say that you have to include the cost of the included software, when making pda buying analysis. would you pay extra for bluetooth if you had no intention of using it? that is exactly why they offer 2 camera models - one good and one better. the majority of people don't want to pay for extra hardware if they don't need it.

[LoneWolf]

All these comments from a STRANGER(unregistered), Wonder WHY?

[Unregistered]

because he/she wanted to?

[Unregistered]

what's the point of the comment - do you not agree with it, or only registered users have meanifull opinions? heck, there are quite a few registered users with no so useful opinions.

[n2ifp]

Well, Sony certainly didn't lose any money from me, if fact it's quite to opposite. I also feel that some may buy a Sony PDA because it had the CF slot. Now users that had other brand cameras could now enjoy the samr flexibility that users with Sony digital cameras have enjoyed.

[Unregistered]

exactly. that makes the nx that much more attractive to potential buyers, in looking at their storage options. sony needs to sell more clies, not neccessarily more m/s. their m/s brand is typically more expensive than the competitor anyway.

[fogg]

Originally posted by Unregistered
what's the point of the comment - do you not agree with it, or only registered users have meanifull opinions? heck, there are quite a few registered users with no so useful opinions.

useful opinion? :rolleyes:

if more than one unregistred users write their opinions then it is quite complicated to figure out who wrote which statement. even if only one answers several times i do not know: is it still from the same or is it someone different.

i dont know your reasons why you hide a even virtual reality but i assure you that your opinion as mr. nobody is handled somehow like that.

btw: it is not a question of that sony loses money or something. it is only politics and image. why has sony not released this driver earlier. why is sony not releasing this driver as an update for the nx60/70 guys. sony had no chance to fight against eruware directly. so they just released their driver with almost the same functinality as the eruware one and this is how sony kicks eruware out of the business. how about that?

if they would respect the coustumer wishes they would release soft (mplayer...) which supports the cf.

i do not know the number of eruware buyers. but since the hacked one is released, the number of cf card users increased definitly. since the last 1 or 2 months the eruware driver was also mentioned here in europe in magazin articles. definitive it is bad image for sony if other guys come and make a driver out of no api information and sony said before it is not possible.

since the eruware driver released i decided to buy the nx70.

and i guess sony makes more money out of the ms than out of the nx devices. it mainly is well known that you make hardly money with devices in computer electronics. ask HP how they make money with the printer. not with printers but with ink!!! sony tries the same concept!!!

[dextor]

Hacked driver works stable and very well...
But now I reinstall the eruware driver on my nx
because I felt my nx has been slow-down due to the haced driver.

Even with some inconvenience such as re-mounting after every resetting,
I prefer the eruware driver !
And I really long for the new release of it !!!

[Alistar]

I actually prefer to manually mount and unmount the CF.

[Unregistered]

we disagree and that's fine - you need good discussions on both sides. (all those unregistered are not from me).i simply think that although it is somewhat of an embarrasement to sony - euraware did them a favor by expanding the capabilities of the nx60/70/nz90 - and capturing more sales. the case in point is just in several threads where people bought the nx70 because of the euraware driver. that is a very nice side benefit to sony. sales of their wifi card on the other hand, have not exactly been breaking records. while i think euraware is now advirtised widely, i simply (and i could be totally wrong), don't think they sold 5 thousand drivers). and with them going to ms pro and duo, their ms line is on the move. anyway, i have both loaded on my nz90, and still haven't decided which i like more. because sony does not sell software, this becomes a different issue. i mean, think of the 3 parties that upgrade ram - this is a side benefit to sony. you could ask why doesn't sony just do it themselves. there are many similiar examples of 3rd parties that enchance the hardware, thereby enhancing the pda. sony does not even sell replacement batteries, except for nz90, and these are widely available by 3rd parties.

ps - the analogy of the printer and ink is correct, but a different situation. in almost all fields - the margins are in aftermarket sales and support - not original equipment. ms is typically not considered aftermarket (service and support) in their revenue plan (you can look at the annual reports). it is an accessory to the oem.

and i will be honest, i am registed, but if you see some of the hostile responses to even registered users of differing opinions, when it comes to things like these threads where i disagree, i prefer to post like this. probably next time i will sign in though.

[n2ifp]

I have to say that on the NX73 & 80, Sony did make it easier to replace the battery. The biggest problem was access to the battery connector. It could be ripped out, but plugging in the new was very difficult without removing the back cover.

[greg elmassian]

i bought my nz because of the promise of a cf driver, would not have bought without. I have the eruware driver, works well enough that I have not experimented with the free driver. It is fast enough to play mp3's from my 1 gig sandisk and my 1 gig microdrive, so have had no real need to experiment.

I would like to use a serial modem, but want to do this from a serial cable, so the support of analog modems from cf on the free driver does not seem to help me.

The only worry is that eruware seems to have dropped off the face of the earth, and was hoping for more from them.

Greg

[n2ifp]

Originally posted by greg elmassian
i bought my nz because of the promise of a cf driver, would not have bought without. I have the eruware driver, works well enough that I have not experimented with the free driver. It is fast enough to play mp3's from my 1 gig sandisk and my 1 gig microdrive, so have had no real need to experiment.

I would like to use a serial modem, but want to do this from a serial cable, so the support of analog modems from cf on the free driver does not seem to help me.

The only worry is that eruware seems to have dropped off the face of the earth, and was hoping for more from them.

Greg

Hi Greg,

I don't know either, unless they're deep into another project. I suppose we'll have to just wait and see.

[martindale]

Originally posted by greg elmassian

I would like to use a serial modem, but want to do this from a serial cable, so the support of analog modems from cf on the free driver does not seem to help me.
Greg

My pocket size Pegasus III modem works fine with my NX70 using the IR port, and I assume would work as well with its serial port, although I have not had a reason to try it.

[ccelada]

I think hacked drivers is all i need. I did buy the Eruware driver, but there are some issues:

1. HQ video playback on 1GB CF cards
2. No chance to format the CF card
3. The need to mount the card after a soft reset (some consider this a nice feature)
4. Stability and memory loss from time to time

Those issues were solved with the (hacked) sony drivers... so, given that there's no update from Eruware solving this issues, i stick to the free drivers.

Just my Q.0.02 (that's Quetzales, local currency in Guatemala :) )

[CopyCat]

I enjoyed the ride with Eruware. Whatever is happening now I still use and enjoy their software. If they come back great...if not I was happy to beta test and purchase their product. It has done wonders for me.

THNX (wherever you went)

[Donmichaelo]

I have been in touch with Amir, and he promised to have a new update soon. They are working in some internal stuff there. Once that's complete they will continue with the driver and other projects they have in the pipeline..

So relax and wait!! ;)

[Unregistered]

i wonder if :

regarding an updated cf driver:
is euraware's objectiver to better satisfy (for lack of a better way of saying) existing registered users or
gain incremental sales of either people with existing nx/nz
or incremental sales of tomorrow's buyers of nx/nz
or assuming new clies down the road will have cf slot

or if you assume new clies down the road will have cf slot, sony themselves will probably release a better cf driver


what i am saying is, i wonder how much more new sales and revenue euraware can get from above, if the main base is already used (if the majority of today's buyers have already bought). the question is, how many nx/nz existing users have not bought the driver due to reliability issues, vs how many tomorrow's buyers will there be (and you'd have to assume new clies's will have the cf slot). if sony goes the way of integrating WLAN, that is an impact.


so should the direction be towards new products, whether they be cf driven or not (and a lot of that decision is based on above).

assuming that my upgrade rate is yearly, and since i have a nz (and for existing nx60/70 owners with a close or similiar upgrade rate) - i would rather have a new product then. assuming sony keeps the cf slot of the next clie i buy, i assume their own driver will be better, and if i didn't register already, i would not then buy the euware driver.

[Eddy]

Originally posted by Donmichaelo
Eruware Driver update is coming soon!!
Well, kicking back relaxing & waiting for the good new! :D