View Full Version : emerging problems with the nx80v
clie_wannabe
07-01-2003, 10:08 AM
hhhhmmm... one could call it faulty manufacturing or whatever... but recently there have been reports (from the clie users club of japan) of faulty touch panels in the new nx80s (including mine)...
and there have been rumors that sony implicityly told retailers not to accept any exchange for the devices - everything must be repaired, etc.
i dont want to believe this - but how can i not???
outdoor
07-01-2003, 10:12 AM
which manufacturer makes NX80'S screens?
n2ifp
07-01-2003, 10:17 AM
uh-oh! That doesn't sound to good :(
Maybe everyone shouldn't be so anxious to get a new Clie.
In other items, Sony's QC appears to be going downhill...
Everyone should be cautious about any pushed replacement warranties!
clie_wannabe
07-01-2003, 10:25 AM
there are four of us in our department that have the new nx80ves - and three of us are experiencing almost the same problems...
one is experiencing way-off calibration even after hard-resets and calibrating the digiter
another experiences parts of the screen not responsive to any touch of the stylus pen
as for me, i need more pressure to write on the vg (during tablet mode) than to write on the vg (during keyboard mode) - opposite sides to the screen....
(_ _)
* luckily for me i still have my trusty nx70v to use while i wait for a replacement - but it doesnt look good... most of the reports from clieclub-japan is that the texture of the nx80v's screen are quite different (and odd) from the nx70v's....
ricleo
07-01-2003, 10:43 AM
Yup, the touchscreens seem to be rather unresponsive. I played around with the unit on display in a sony retail store and found i had to tap with quite a bit of extra strength in order to get the screen to respond.
clie_wannabe
07-01-2003, 10:50 AM
then you are saying that it is not a defect, but an intentional design (as put forward by some posters at clieclub-japan)?
if that were the case, could anyone make a guess why the VG during tablet mode is different (in the case of the pressure used) from the VG during keyboard mode... ie., they are the top and bottom parts of the screen (depending on what mode you are in).
ricleo
07-01-2003, 10:55 AM
Hmmm... I only tried using a stylus on it in tablet mode. So I'm not sure about the issue about different pressure required in the other end of the screen. Will try out this issue the next time i go down to sony. In any case, I do not think that Sony Singapore will be that stupid to place a deffective unit on display.
Burns
07-01-2003, 10:55 AM
additional force? Screen protectors, here I come
davy19
07-01-2003, 10:56 AM
i have that with my nz90 as well
doesnt sound as bad as the nx80
ckleow
07-01-2003, 11:02 AM
No wonder I got problem trying to input using my huge fingertips (nails)... hahaha...
The NX80 on display at Sony Gallery doesn't have any stylus
ricleo
07-01-2003, 11:04 AM
Haha, i had my trusty NX70 beside me, so i used my own stylus
clie_wannabe
07-02-2003, 05:48 AM
wow!!!
it seems that sony did instruct the retailers in regards with the clie...
before, whenever something happens within a time frame of a week, you could just go directly to the retailer and have it replaced...
and now? it seems that the retailer wont accept your return/exchange of the product (for sony cases only) if you havent checked first with sony customer support and make sure it is really a problem...
god!!! i hate the the UNSERVICELESSNESS here in japan... i wish there are consumer laws here - as in you could return a product if it is faulty, etc. etc. with not much questions or buerocratic nonsense!!!
my note: be careful of the new nx80v
so... is this a faulty mistake or something intentionally imposted by sony? Could they have designed it that way? I'll have to check out the site too. :p been kinda lazy recently.
& 3 NX80s with the staffs at your work place clie_wanabe? I wonder how's the NX73 panel is doing....
yeah... it makes me wonder if i want to rush into buying the NX80 now :/
damn... i knew it all sounded too good
ricleo
07-02-2003, 06:11 AM
Hmmm...maybe when you wanna buy a NX80, make sure u ask the salesperson to place the NX u are going to purchase into the charging cradle for you to turn it on and test the touchscreen...
the thing is... I wont be there to see it and use it :( Its going to be sent over for me..
*sighs* any news on the NX73?
ashVID
07-02-2003, 06:18 AM
OK, here is the scoop. I have a friend at Sony (she is a VP, but in the games division) at any rate she gets nice discounts on all Sony stuff. I thought I would get an NX80 thru her for cheap, mess with it, then sell it on eBay. She called me back today and said I will have to wait a while because they are having to recall the units. This is a SILENT recall, meaning, only those who complain get it fixed, not just everybody.
They are not allowing exchanges because there are too many units failing and the chance that you will get a faulty replacement off the shelf is high. DOH!!! The good news for people who are patient is that there are going to be a lot of nice deals on refurbs after Sony fixes them.
ash =o)
ricleo
07-02-2003, 06:26 AM
Wow...makes me wish i live in the states... sony singapore does not sell refurbs....However, since this is going to be a silent recall, what's going to prevent sony from fixing them and selling them as new in retail again?
Yeah that sucks :/ I would be getting the PDA from Singapore... man, what a way to gut a day *rolls eyes*
ricleo
07-02-2003, 06:34 AM
Maybe you can get your friend to check and test your NX b4 buying it.
davy19
07-02-2003, 08:16 AM
Well unless the retailer tells you at the time you purchase it that you are not allowed to return or excahnge then by US law that have to do that within the time frame that is posted on the store policy
also buy it on a credit card and you can fight it as well
but i am defintiely going to hold off on getting anything new btw is this happening on nx73 as well? or just 80
Originally posted by ashVID
The good news for people who are patient is that there are going to be a lot of nice deals on refurbs after Sony fixes them.
err... I can be patient & wait for the refurbs. :D That is if I do consider getting one of the new NXs.
IMHO, with this insider info, would be good news for those who've already made purchase & get it enchanged.
rlc7254
07-02-2003, 11:23 AM
Originally posted by Eddy
so... is this a faulty mistake or something intentionally imposted by sony? Could they have designed it that way? I'll have to check out the site too. :p been kinda lazy recently.
& 3 NX80s with the staffs at your work place clie_wanabe? I wonder how's the NX73 panel is doing....
I have an NX73, and have noticed the touch panel was some what unresponsive when I touched it with my stylus. It seems to be accurate, but it feels kind of mushy, and I am pushing a little harder. I thought it was just me, but from this thread, it appears to be a manufacturing issue.
:mad::confused:
davy19
07-02-2003, 11:30 AM
Originally posted by rlc7254
I have an NX73, and have noticed the touch panel was some what unresponsive when I touched it with my stylus. It seems to be accurate, but it feels kind of mushy, and I am pushing a little harder. I thought it was just me, but from this thread, it appears to be a manufacturing issue.
:mad::confused:
same thing happens with NZ90 when I called up sony they said that was how it was designed, so I got use to it.
n2ifp
07-02-2003, 01:36 PM
Ash, thanks for the update and info!
ashVID
07-02-2003, 04:21 PM
FYI, they cant and dont want to sell refurbs as new. They have to assign a new serial and they get tax breaks...
I just talked to her and while she is not an expert on the PDA sect, she has talked to some people and they said that the screen in general is not as sensitive (something to do with it being brighter or light, she wasnt clear) but there is some defect with the interface between the screen and the digitizer or something. According to the people she talked to, it is not a design defect but rather a manufacturing defect that is appearing in an unusually high % of units, she did not say how high. The reason for not allowing an exchange is that SONY is afraid that if a consumer gets 2 or 3 bad units it will damage their brand, not only with the consumer but with the retailer. The release of these devices is already a bit controversial (some people at Sony apparently thought it was a BAD idea, the design changes were meant for the OS6 rollout) and any bad news on hardware quality would be BAAAAAAD news... According to her, the proverbial excrement may hit the wind mover...
ash =o)
seems like Sony is having a taste of their own. :D
jmg_NX21
07-02-2003, 04:59 PM
WOW, the INTRIGUE... thanks for the insight ashVID.
Oh boy. Well I guess I'm going to have to become more friendly with my NR again. Here I thought I'd only have it for another few weeks. I wonder how long it will take them to get the improved units on the shelves.
Dougf
07-02-2003, 05:17 PM
I am surprised that stores are allowing Sony to dictate their policies. I had to exchange my NX70 the other day at CompUSA for a constant locking up, this was after a week and a half, they gave me the hardest time. The manager actually had the nerve to ask me to hold onto the unit for another week to see if the problem would go away by itself! He said he had to convince Sony that the unit is bad, and that if the customer came back twice with the same unit, it must be legit. I told him I am not buying that garbage on this street corner, sell that idea to someone who might buy it. I went over the store policy within 14 days, original store receipt, defective unit, they didn't have another one, so I want my full money back. I got my refund, went to Best Buy and got it for 10% off $399 for procematch. I will never deal with CompUSA again, I have never had a problem exchanging a defective unit anywhere else, CompUSA made me feel VERY uncomfortable with the way they do things.
clie_wannabe
07-02-2003, 05:31 PM
fyi (ot)
in japan though, i think it customer service at Sofmap is far far better than Biccamera...
i mean, i had problems with a toshiba notebook that kept popping up until the second month, and i still got a refund from sofmap... even an external drive which i bought and didnt work with my pc (the "small print" kinda thing) - and i still got a refund...
as for biccamera - "im sorry that we cant take it back... because if we do, we cant sell it anymore... etc. etc. youve opened the box, so in effect it is yours..." duh? how would i know if it has a defect or not if i dont open the box?
biccamera may offer more points for a cashback, but there service seems to be lousy at best...
clie_wannabe
07-02-2003, 05:35 PM
well, me at our office did contact sony...
and sony told us to have our units sent in (at sony's expense) and it would be checked right away, and we would get it back in 7 to 10 business days...
we went something like, "we just bought the goddamn thing... we need it at work, and in our private life... and it has been less a week since purchase, and we have to wait for at most 10 days to use is completely unacceptable..."
so, what did happen is that this friday, sony would pick up our units, and have them replaced with a new one on the spot
wow! and that took around 30 minutes to an hour of discussion on the phone...
ricleo
07-02-2003, 10:40 PM
Wow!!
Originally posted by clie_wannabe
so, what did happen is that this friday, sony would pick up our units, and have them replaced with a new one on the spot
You tell 'em, clie_wannabe! That's great. I'd like to think the Sony USA people would be so accommodating. I'm sure I'd never have the phone skills to get that kind of work out of them. I've been four days without a refrigerator and have only been able to get someone from my landlord's office on the phone for 20 seconds (BTW, you can refrigerate drinks indefinitely by sitting them on the windowsill in front of the air conditioner -- the only problem is that the entire apartment remains freezing). Anyway, good for you! Maybe you can call my landlord in the morning! ;)
Unfortunately, I will have to wait on the NZ80 :( my friend who was going to purchase for me made a few enquires and found there has been a notice from Sony Japand not to issue any international warranties for Clie and other Sony IT products. :/ So I guess I'll have to wait
ricleo
07-03-2003, 02:25 AM
Well. with all the problems the current batch of NX80s are facing, it's better for you to wait as well... otherwise, you might get one with the faulty touchscreens. If you can't wait, you can get your friend to fill up and register the domestic warranty for you. So if in any case your CLIE has a problem, you can send it back for your friend to fix it with Sony.
davy19
07-03-2003, 03:51 AM
why would sony realase if so many problems shame on them
i am going to hold off on nx73 or nx 80 and hold my nz90 until around ocotber when i guess the next clies will be relased
yOyOYoo
07-03-2003, 05:25 AM
Shame on sony indeed.
WHy would sony sell me a 3 TG50 units that have so many product defects (plastic parts falling apart)
Sony quality control is crap...
way to go, clie-wanabe! :D
man.. Sony dissappointed me big time this time :/
I'm surprised no one said anything about it at the conferences/displays.
Now I'm stuck with no PDA at all for now...
Oh, -DC-, you sold your PDA to your flatmate is that right? :p
Unregistered
07-03-2003, 12:36 PM
what about 73's touchscreen? the same problem as 80?
rlc7254
07-03-2003, 12:49 PM
Originally posted by Unregistered
what about 73's touchscreen? the same problem as 80?
From the posts that I read, it appears that is so. Apparently the NZ90 also has a similar problem, but that seems to be the way the screen is.
:mad:
Originally posted by Eddy
Oh, -DC-, you sold your PDA to your flatmate is that right? :p
not a flatmate :p i dont flat, but i sold it to a mate :p
OK, am I a hopeless Clie addict to consider this?
I want an NX80. I have an NR that works fine. If I buy an NX and it works, great. If I get a defective one, I send it back to Sony and continue using my NR, no harm done. If/when I get my NX back, I can then make sure it's working for a while and sell my NR as planned.
Two possible problems:
1. Are all of them inherently defective by their design or parts? Will those that don't exhibit symptoms eventually break down as well?
2. Since Sony has not yet released the NX80 in the States, it seems like the smartest thing for them to do is delay the release until everything is fixed to spare them the embarassment of having so many returns. In that case, the good news is that we'll get units that have been checked for the defect, but we may have to wait longer.
So that's what I'm considering. Anybody else think this makes sense?
this wait is killing me
but i dont want a defective unit
arghhh!!!!!
n2ifp
07-04-2003, 12:48 AM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by kp*
2. Since Sony has not yet released the NX80 in the States, it seems like the smartest thing for them to do is delay the release until everything is fixed to spare them the embarassment of having so many returns. In that case, the good news is that we'll get units that have been checked for the defect, but we may have to wait longer.
So that's what I'm considering. Anybody else think this makes sense? /QUOTE]
Who says it has to make sense, I agree, but I can't speak for Sony.
JwY, why is it that we have to have things NOW!
I have been thinking about that all evening:confused:
saigoncoco
07-04-2003, 02:24 AM
Wait or not. That is the question!
Considering I am localized in Vietnam.
I waited 6 months for an opportunity buy a NX model in replacement of my old Palm 505.
Yessss! Good news. The new NX73/80 is on sale. I’m so happy!!!
Oh Noooo this last have problem!
No matter the NX model I buy, because I loss the same money plane ticket from Ho Chi Minh city to Singapore. Thus it could seem normal to buy the last model of Sony NX! No?
Concerning the NX80 problem:
The problem, it is really prevent using the NX80, or it is only a different push on screen for users accustomed of the NX70 ?
It is really an unusable machine?
Thank you and I cheer entire members make this site alive and very interesting.
I hope you can read me, because my English is frightening
Bye,
Georges
if you already have an NX70 I'd say wait.
saigoncoco
07-04-2003, 03:21 AM
I have only a Palm 505 and I want change with a NX model....
Wait or not !
NX 70-73-80 for may firts NX
Thanks
GeekGod
07-04-2003, 03:24 AM
Originally posted by Unregistered
what about 73's touchscreen? the same problem as 80? No. The screen on the NX73 is a little softer feeling and less responsive than the NR/NX screen, but it is not the NX80 defect. That is an actual problem with the digitizer. So far the 73s seem to be fine defect-wise (I haven't had any come back, yet).
The original N760c had this softer feeling screen as well. Not really a defect, just the way the screen is.
saigoncoco
07-04-2003, 03:31 AM
Sorry
I have only a Palm 505 and I want to change with a NX model....
Wait or not !
for my first NX model. What do you recommend to me: NX70-73 or 80
ricleo
07-04-2003, 03:44 AM
ayou can buy my NX70 if u want :) I'm in Singapore
ricleo
07-04-2003, 03:46 AM
Originally posted by ricleo
ayou can buy my NX70 if u want :) I'm in Singapore
Whoops, that's me... if you really can't wait, get a NX70... I can wait...that's why i intend to sell my NX70 and wait a few months for a good and perfectly functioning NX80. :)
clie_wannabe
07-04-2003, 09:00 AM
anyway, got my new nx80v replacement... and yes, it does have a softer feel than the nx80v's screen - but i dont seem to have the same problem as before...
hhhmmm... i guess it would be better to wait for a few more days before making any conclusion...
n2ifp: well i've returned my nx70 for a few weeks now
because i'm waiting for the nx80 (i want the better cam, but not a seperate digicam)
so i'm nx-less
therefore my eagerness
devilic
07-04-2003, 10:34 AM
No digitizer problem with the my set in Singapore. Got mine for at least 5 days. Been busy transfering my stuff from my NR70 to the NX80.
Only that the screen does require more pressure as compare to using the NR70. You will have that 'soft" touch feeling. Just need some getting use to. ;)
BTW, any one interested in NR70V? trying to hard to sell it. :(
ricleo
07-04-2003, 11:14 AM
oh...maybe u should ask sony about the lcd...by right it shouldn't require more pressure... this is one of the problems with the current batch of Nx80s that is the reason for sony's "silent recall" of the NX80 as mentioned by ashvid.
devilic
07-04-2003, 11:29 AM
Originally posted by ricleo
oh...maybe u should ask sony about the lcd...by right it shouldn't require more pressure... this is one of the problems with the current batch of Nx80s that is the reason for sony's "silent recall" of the NX80 as mentioned by ashvid.
hmm.. wonder how true is this. Maybe see in a month time is the batch of NX80 having exactly the same feel as NR70. Right now writing on my NX80 still doesn't make me feel if there is any defect with the LCD. :D
ricleo
07-04-2003, 11:41 AM
Originally posted by ashVID
I just talked to her and while she is not an expert on the PDA sect, she has talked to some people and they said that the screen in general is not as sensitive (something to do with it being brighter or light, she wasnt clear) but there is some defect with the interface between the screen and the digitizer or something. According to the people she talked to, it is not a design defect but rather a manufacturing defect that is appearing in an unusually high % of units, she did not say how high.
ash =o)
I tried the NX80 in the sony gallery down at bugis, and the touchscreens were unresponsive, exactly as mentioned by ashvid above. I couldn't even activate anything on the screen with any luck using my fingertips/nails. Only way was to use a stylus, and i had to push down hard. If finger tips can't activate a touch screen, i think its a problem...haha, i'm usually too lazy to pull out the stylus all the time, so i use my finger tips alot...
devilic
07-04-2003, 11:47 AM
Originally posted by ricleo
I tried the NX80 in the sony gallery down at bugis, and the touchscreens were unresponsive, exactly as mentioned by ashvid above. I couldn't even activate anything on the screen with any luck using my fingertips/nails. Only way was to use a stylus, and i had to push down hard. If finger tips can't activate a touch screen, i think its a problem...haha, i'm usually too lazy to pull out the stylus all the time, so i use my finger tips alot...
me try the display set at Wisma Sony Gallery. It works fine leh. Hmm... is it only some sets got a problem? Or sony did really make the screen less sensitive. This time round, it seems more gas is actually being pump into the screen.
ricleo
07-04-2003, 12:15 PM
It was mentioned that an unusually high % of units were affected. I do not think sony would purposely make its screens less sensitive right? Perhaps the gap between the screen and the digitizer was made bigger due to manufacturing defects. I'll go diwn to wisma when i have the time to try it out there.
ricleo
07-04-2003, 12:19 PM
I really wanna buy the NX80...but i wanna wait till i can be sure that the screens are alright.
devilic
07-04-2003, 12:23 PM
Originally posted by ricleo
It was mentioned that an unusually high % of units were affected. I do not think sony would purposely make its screens less sensitive right? Perhaps the gap between the screen and the digitizer was made bigger due to manufacturing defects. I'll go diwn to wisma when i have the time to try it out there.
when I'm there, they run out of stock (Monday). Tried CKTang Sony, also no stock. Finally, got mine at Best Denki at Taka. :D If you go to SPUG, alan98 (software moderator) is working at wisma sony gallery. Maybe he can give a better picture if the screen is alright. :confused:
ricleo
07-04-2003, 12:31 PM
Hmmm.... i see, thanks! Hey, so you are a SPUG member? I tried to register a couple of times but to no avail...something seems to be wrong with the registration procedure. I fill up the form and submit the registration, it tells me to wait for a confirmation email that never comes. I've submitted the request like 5- 6 times....and I'm pretty sure I key in the correct email everytime.
devilic
07-04-2003, 12:37 PM
Originally posted by ricleo
Hmmm.... i see, thanks! Hey, so you are a SPUG member? I tried to register a couple of times but to no avail...something seems to be wrong with the registration procedure. I fill up the form and submit the registration, it tells me to wait for a confirmation email that never comes. I've submitted the request like 5- 6 times....and I'm pretty sure I key in the correct email everytime.
yap, been a member since I got my first clie. T615. :D
U can't register? hmm, try to email any of the moderator there.
Anyway, SPUG is too diluted. Last time got dedicate forum to clie, but now, every thing rojak together. :(
So ricleo, come here better. :)
ckleow
07-04-2003, 12:39 PM
True. The NX80 down at Bugis sony gallery wasn't that responsive. I was using my fingers.
I'm going to get my NX80 in a few hrs time. Hope mine doesn't have the same problem. :-)
n2ifp
07-04-2003, 12:41 PM
Originally posted by ricleo
It was mentioned that an unusually high % of units were affected. I do not think sony would purposely make its screens less sensitive right? Perhaps the gap between the screen and the digitizer was made bigger due to manufacturing defects. I'll go diwn to wisma when i have the time to try it out there.
They did make the screen less sensitive on the NZ90
so did sony actually make the screen less sensitive for the NX80 as well? Just curious....
devilic
07-04-2003, 12:50 PM
Originally posted by Eddy
so did sony actually make the screen less sensitive for the NX80 as well? Just curious....
Only SONY knows. :cool:
ricleo
07-04-2003, 12:53 PM
Originally posted by n2ifp
They did make the screen less sensitive on the NZ90
But not less sensitive to the point where finger tips no longer work on the screen??:confused: I played with the NZ on display beside the NX80. The screen was much more responsive compared to the NX80.
devilic
07-04-2003, 01:03 PM
Originally posted by ricleo
But not less sensitive to the point where finger tips no longer work on the screen??:confused: I played with the NZ on display beside the NX80. The screen was much more responsive compared to the NX80.
Okay, then that is really a problem. Tell you wat, just drop by to Wistma Sony and take a look at their set. See if it is the seem feel as the one in bugis.
But warn you, their service is not any better than the rest of the Sony Gallery. :mad:
And I think their stock should be in by now.
ricleo
07-04-2003, 01:15 PM
Originally posted by ricleo
But not less sensitive to the point where finger tips no longer work on the screen??:confused: I played with the NZ on display beside the NX80. The screen was much more responsive compared to the NX80.
Opps, that sounded abit too serious. Let me rephrase. Finger tips did not work well on the NX80, not that they totally do not work. I had no problems controlling the NZ using my finger tips though.
jaydoc05
07-04-2003, 01:47 PM
Why would you want to put your sloppy, candy sticking fingers all over the screen anyway???
I get mine in the USA in about a week. I will give it an extensive run through and let y'all know what I think.
I think I will be one of the first in the US to get it.
Have a good one,
Jason
durack
07-04-2003, 02:06 PM
Getting my NX80 from SonyStyle on Monday - will test it out.
ricleo
07-04-2003, 11:34 PM
Originally posted by jaydoc05
Why would you want to put your sloppy, candy sticking fingers all over the screen anyway???
I get mine in the USA in about a week. I will give it an extensive run through and let y'all know what I think.
I think I will be one of the first in the US to get it.
Have a good one,
Jason
Well, FYI, my fingers are not sloppy, and i don't dig candy, so they are usually pretty clean... fingers are for quick taps on the road to select different applications and etc... much more convenient. I only use the Stylus for games and graffiti. Now that I'm used to the keyboard, I use the stylus even less..
druss
07-05-2003, 12:39 AM
It almost sounds like they knew (sony) they blew it so they do not want any returns for there would be many. I was to going to upgrade from my NX70 but not sure now especially if you can not return it for the cost of it I want to get a replacement if needed for sonys help is awful. I did an email to them then went to live chat and the service person didnt even know what the NX70 was or what a handheld was. This i found was unbelievible. Dr
druss
07-05-2003, 12:51 AM
Is it a fact that the returns are null and void?
I've had my NX80V for a week now and haven't had this digitiser problem with it (yet). I'm wondering if the screen's symptoms are from day 1 or does the sensitivity slowly "degrade"...
(sorry of this question have been asked before.)
Thanks.
devilic
07-05-2003, 02:01 AM
Originally posted by wuff
I've had my NX80V for a week now and haven't had this digitiser problem with it (yet). I'm wondering if the screen's symptoms are from day 1 or does the sensitivity slowly "degrade"...
(sorry of this question have been asked before.)
Thanks.
Same here, having it for one week. So far so good. :D
ckleow
07-05-2003, 03:38 PM
Got my NX80V. No problem with the screen at all. I can even use my finger tips/nails with no problem. :) Precise.
whew, ok... so i ca buy the nx80 without too much worry... just that I'll have to test it in the shop beforehand :/
ricleo
07-05-2003, 08:34 PM
Wow! great news! I can too get mine without worries :)
devilic
07-05-2003, 09:09 PM
Originally posted by ricleo
Wow! great news! I can too get mine without worries :)
Yeh, more people own clie = more discussion on NX80 = easier to find more apps/accessories for NX80 :D
Just bought NX80 at Circuit City in New York. I played with it for a few minutes before charging just to check the screen. It does require a harder press ("mushy" is a good term for it), but seemed to be placing the taps correctly. In just a minute or two it started to get easier and seemingly more responsive, so I'd say it's easy to adapt to. While it's been charging I applied a Brando screen protector (NR model, fits close to perfect), so we'll see what that does to the digitizer. Keeping my fingers crossed :).
druss
07-05-2003, 11:17 PM
I hope you keep in touch, for I am still leary of all the posts of a non sensitive screen. Dr
davy19
07-05-2003, 11:58 PM
Originally posted by ricleo
But not less sensitive to the point where finger tips no longer work on the screen??:confused: I played with the NZ on display beside the NX80. The screen was much more responsive compared to the NX80.
I have nz90 and can confrim it is less senstive but i neevr used my fingertips not on an $800 pda
n2ifp
07-06-2003, 12:59 AM
Originally posted by davy19
I have nz90 and can confrim it is less senstive but i neevr used my fingertips not on an $800 pda
When the NR70 first came out, I watched in horror the Circuit City salesperson using their fingernails on the new Clie right out of the box. Fortunately, that person didn't try to sell that particular unit to my brother or me.
I watched in horror the Circuit City salesperson using their fingernails on the new Clie right out of the box.
then... for the NX80, those salesperson might need to have quite tough of a fingernail to press on the NX's new screen. :D
Unregistered
07-06-2003, 04:48 AM
is a fingernail any more dangerous than a hard plastic stylus tip?
curious about that.
NZ Rocks!
07-06-2003, 04:58 AM
Sad news about the new NX's... For those of you with sensitivity probs on NZ's, I just wanted to say that I have a NZ90V/E (the european unit) and it does not have any screen sensitivity probs whatsoever...
I know that the difference between regional units is only software related, and just wanted to voice my opinion in the sense that I do not think that the NZ is affected by this kind of problem at all.
Things are still going well for me as I've been loading all my software. I have a Brando on the screen, so I'm not really afraid of damaging the screen by pushing too hard. I'm actually starting to like the texture. It's sort of like a keyboard that has a nice "click" to it, the fact that the screen gives a little lets you know you're pushing it. And I use my fingers all the time, but not on a bare screen. I'm finding it's responding to my fingers well, too. Of course we'll see how things go after repeated use, but so far so good!
clie_wannabe
07-06-2003, 07:07 AM
it has been two days now that ive gotten my replacement clie - and so far, so good...
soondubu
07-06-2003, 11:19 AM
Originally posted by davy19
I have nz90 and can confrim it is less senstive but i neevr used my fingertips not on an $800 pda
what difference does it make?
a dull finger
a finger nail
a stylet
any non-scratching blunt stick will do.
paranoia?
ricleo
07-06-2003, 11:24 AM
yeah... I don't keep my fingernails long, and its fast and accurate for quick taps...but it'll never replace the stylus for graffiti though! :)
davy19
07-06-2003, 12:36 PM
Originally posted by soondubu
what difference does it make?
a dull finger
a finger nail
a stylet
any non-scratching blunt stick will do.
paranoia?
who wants fingerprints and ruin a nice lcd screen?
also have a much better chance of scratching the screen
i suppose if you use screen protectors not a biggie, but i dont use them
hey if you want to traet an $800 pda like crap go ahead, now when I reseel mine, I can dont have to worry about peple complaining there are scratches mine is scratch free
ashVID
07-06-2003, 05:01 PM
FYI, it is my understanding that this defect gets worse over time but you should know it within the first month of heavy use. Remember that even if it is only 20% of units being effected, that is unusually high...
ash =o)
devilic
07-06-2003, 06:33 PM
Originally posted by Eddy
then... for the NX80, those salesperson might need to have quite tough of a fingernail to press on the NX's new screen. :D
Actually I don't understand, how come so many people keep complaining it is so tough to use the NX's new screen.
For me, I see it more as a new improvement. Hmm, maybe it is those people who can't afford to upgrade to NX80 and come out this sour grape remarks. :D
NJL!2016
07-06-2003, 07:30 PM
will sony make an effort to fix this problem (put non-faulty touch-panels with the newer nx-80s)? Does this affect the nx-73v?
n2ifp
07-06-2003, 10:05 PM
Originally posted by devilic
Actually I don't understand, how come so many people keep complaining it is so tough to use the NX's new screen.
For me, I see it more as a new improvement. Hmm, maybe it is those people who can't afford to upgrade to NX80 and come out this sour grape remarks. :D
Gimme a break! :D :rolleyes:
Just a word in defense of screen protectors:
In less than 24 hours after purchase, my rear has already been saved. I didn't get any sleep last night (setting up the Clie, of course), and while sitting through a long rehearsal this morning taking alternating paper and digital notes with my 3-way mechanical pencil/pen/stylus, of course I managed to write on the screen with the pencil. No problem, gently took an eraser to it, good as new. I'm usually very careful about those things, and look carefully at the tip before applying it to the Clie, but it was rather dark and I was sleepy. I'm glad I had a protector on hand before buying the Clie and applied it while the Clie was charging. In one day I would have had a very ugly Clie!
good thing you had the screen protector on, otherwise ...... like you've mentioned, a very ugly CLIE with a horrible screen, yikes! :p
druss
07-07-2003, 01:10 AM
The comment: For me, I see it more as a new improvement. Hmm, maybe it is those people who can't afford to upgrade to NX80 and come out this sour grape remarks.
this may have been a fun remark but,
the ones who are posting are the ones that have them, like ash said, even 20% is high. when i bought my nx70 I had two lemons in a row, one the swivel and the other the wi-fi slot had the pins stuck together, so getting one that i not up to speed stinks. I can afford to upgrade but not sure it is worth it. for i am going by the percentage of posts that have complaints, dr
devilic
07-07-2003, 01:50 AM
Originally posted by druss
The comment: For me, I see it more as a new improvement. Hmm, maybe it is those people who can't afford to upgrade to NX80 and come out this sour grape remarks.
this may have been a fun remark but,
the ones who are posting are the ones that have them, like ash said, even 20% is high. when i bought my nx70 I had two lemons in a row, one the swivel and the other the wi-fi slot had the pins stuck together, so getting one that i not up to speed stinks. I can afford to upgrade but not sure it is worth it. for i am going by the percentage of posts that have complaints, dr
Moral of the story
Double, triple check the unit at the store you are purchasing.
;)
But the interesting part is that, how come Sony allow so many defective units in the market. As far as I can remember, Sony rep never ever involve in any clie forum and provide any resonable explaination.
I wonder where did the clie developer go for forum. :p
jaydoc05
07-07-2003, 05:34 AM
I went through 2 NX70's. The first, the camera was wobbly. The second, the camera was crooked. My third, was perfect.
So getting my NX80 from an online retailer is a risk, but I get a good warranty with over $100 less than buying at the store. It is a tradeoff, pay more at a store but check it out, or pay less online and hope a divine power really cares about you.
Jason
devilic
07-07-2003, 06:18 AM
Originally posted by jaydoc05
I went through 2 NX70's. The first, the camera was wobbly. The second, the camera was crooked. My third, was perfect.
So getting my NX80 from an online retailer is a risk, but I get a good warranty with over $100 less than buying at the store. It is a tradeoff, pay more at a store but check it out, or pay less online and hope a divine power really cares about you.
Jason
Woh, sounds like miracle is required. :D
Anyway, here in Singapore we usually get our stuff at the store. Not any cheaper to purchase online, somemore the distance we travel is much shorter as compare to the states. :)
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