Please convince me not to.

[Badandy]

I am craving the New Ipaq 2215. I dont know why, I just am.

There is great software for the PPC such as TextMaker which is a FULL featured word processor, and other stuff.


I dont know why I am wanting it. Help me!





Seriousley, can someone please convince me that I shouldnt, I mean I like my NX and all, but that Ipaq is sure cool!

[hansschmucker]

You've got an NX, which is currently one of the greatest devices around. Trust me.
It's just not time yet to purchase another device, not Palm, not PPC.

So, it should be relatively easy to wait until the end of the year, when PalmOS6 will be released which is based on beOS. So then you can still decide what you like better POS or PPC.

It's just too early!

[chopstxxx]

badandy I was in the same boat as you the other night. I read some reviews on the hp and nearly ordered it online but decided to wait until i could go to fry's and check it out. When i went there and used it it was definately nice, but then I started playing with the nx73. After that the hp never even crossed my mind again. Despite already owning an nx70v, i couldn't resist the new nx, so i'm now $500 poorer, but at least i get a new toy to play with.

[Badandy]

lol. I guess I'll wait, but really I am sick with the lack of Palm OS MS Office compatibility. It is sick. Even QO Premier doesnt stack up.

[Badandy]

Check this out

http://www.softmaker.de/tmp_en.htm

Look at that TextMaker for PPC. If they came out with something fo PalmOS, that would be so cool!

[hansschmucker]

I guess I'm the only one, but I have no use for a program which tries to display tables and everything on a 320x240 screen. It sure looks nice on a screenshot, but try to work with it and you get a totally different impression. Believe me, I've done some interface work for PDA apps. I prefer the Wordsmith route: Leave out everything that's not needed on HS and reinsert it during backup. But I write exclusively on my Clié anyway, so I don't care about Win2Palm conversion anyway.

[hansschmucker]

That's what Wordsmith can do on a 160x160 screen. And it has support for HR+ !

Just compare the amount of information in these two images:

WS - LR - Small Font
http://bluenomad.com/ws/images/finefull.gif
WS - HR - (Too) Large Font
http://euroclie.free.fr/img/soft/wsmith_s.gif
TS - LR - (Too) Large Font
http://www.softmaker.de/anywhere/pics/ppc_afr,en.gif

Take away all the menu bars and you can see that the PPC working area is only slightly larger the the working area of WS on 160x160!

Also text isn't antialiased on PPC and what probably fooled you: The demo page for TM contains a nice image which takes up most of the screen. It sure is nice, but what it shows has nothig to do with what the program can do, it only shows how good the artists emploied by the company are!

[Badandy]

hmmm. thanx,


I really would probably quit whining (lol) if there was something like Transcriber for Palm OS. I mean, our handhelds are almost as Powerful as current gen PPC's and definately better than old ones, so why cant we get a transcriber/calligrapher type thing on our Clie.



If anyone is interested, I could start a petition and email it to the makers of Calligrapher or another known software company to urge them to make something for Palm OS that is similar.

[lank5893]

Wait to you try textmaker. It is extremely slow!

Lucan

[toymaker]

Please help,

I too am also interested in the HP 2215. I have been interested in other features as well.

I have been frustrated at the lack of usable memory in the equivalent clies. What I have been hoping for would be a non-clamshell clie with more than 11MB's of available memory, longer battery life, mp3,voice recorder, and maybe Wi-Fi or Virtual Graffiti

My T-615 never had great battery life but recently has been getting worse. I have been considering either the Zire 71 or the HP 2215.

[Athradon]

I'm in the exact same situation as you guys. My N760 is dying, and Sony's current lineup is sub-par.

A refurb T665 is the only Clie I'd be interested in, but the hardware is already outdated. I can get a Zire71 for almost the same price as the refurb T665 after Palm's trade-in deal, but it still doesn't offer the 320x480 non-clamshell screen I've been waiting for from Palm or Sony.

I've been a PalmOS user and supporter for 4 years now, and never even considered switching to PocketPC until I saw the HP 2215 today.

It's just about the size of my N760, and aside from the OS, infinitely better than any Clie released to date. No mediocre camera, no thumbboard, no hinged-on flip cover, no swivel-screen or slider or any kind. Basically, no gimmicks, just a good mix of form and functionality. That's what's wrong with the entire PalmOS camp now...cramming new "features" into every new device, but not releasing an OS5 320x480 tablet model everyone on these boards seems to want. I wouldn't be suprised if more people on these boards start settling for 240x320 if Palm and Sony don't get their act together soon.

[Dougf]

Heh heh hehh the ultimate debate, PPC Vs Palm OS. I have switched twice to PPC from Palm OS and Twice I got so aggravated over and over that I am keeping Palm from now on. When HP 1910 came out I fell in love with it in the store and bought it on impulse. When I tried using the text entry, I found myself correcting it too many times. I found that for any simple function I wanted the PPC to perform, an application with a hefty price tagshad to be bought to do it...from a simple program that puts an X on the top right hand of the screen to shut down a program, to programs to back everything up, to 3rd party games and PIM Software. The PIM functions were awful and extemely unreliable almost having me miss 2 meetings when I had it.

My favorite is when people compare memory and processor speed on the 2 units. You can get 64 Megs on a PPC and almost fill it all up with 2 or 3 large apps. Keep in mind that PPC programs are memory hogs, they have higher memory available but programs take up all that memory to run. PPC also slows down considerably and very noticeably when you run programs, I have yet to run into a program that slows down my Palm units that much where it actually gets annoying. And lets not forget one other thing....battery life! At the end of the day, just using PIM functions, my PPC's were at 50% battery no matter what, I have went many days without having to charge any Palm unit with normal use, and if you bring up the spare battery that the new units are allowing, do you really want to have to switch the battery twice a day? That adds to the point of being unreliable. I would also like to mention that when you install programs on a Pocket PC, if you don't like the program good luck completely removing it. One example was Pocket Informant, I tried it and wasn't impressed with it. I tried removing it and all programs it had with it, some programs wouldn't delete, they stuck it in there, taking 2 megs to do nothing. What killed me was this was the case with 5 programs, they would stick something in the programs that wouldn't let me completely remove it, I had almost 20 megs of space from programs I couldnt use at that point, or remove. Then when doing a Hard Reset, I had to install one program at a time so that I could keep the deleted program out completely. It was like erasing your PC hard drive and re-installing all of your programs, now let it happen 3 times in 2 weeks because of system slow downs and crashes. I quickly returned it and appreciating the simplicity purchased another Palm. Last thing was the live synch with the PC and the back and forth navigation through the PPC and desktop. I had to dig and dig to find certain programs to bring them up to the desktop so I didn't have to go through 2-3 screens to locate and run it, and then found I had to buy another program to allow shortcuts on the desktop. I found I would have to purchase all this software to bring the PPC up to Par with the convenience and ahem....simplicity of the Palm. It's ultimately your money and your decision, many people will battle all my points which is fine....they call it an opinion for a reason, but I made the mistake twice, I won't make it again. If all the decision is base on is a Word Processing program, Wordsmith really does work great....if you are looking to get THAT detailed.....I'd get a laptop. It all depends on if you don't mind taking months to learn the difficult user interface of the PPC, or minutes to learn Palm OS....good luck with whatever you decide....and if you choose to go to PPC....you'll be back, heh heh hehhhh :)

[Importluva]

I just got my 2215 after using my NX for a long time.

I couldn't be happier. This thing is so fast, I can play REAL mpeg movies w/o conversion and still get over 20fps-this is video that is optimized for a computer mind you. I can also play SNES games-thats right SNES not NES games at 20-35 fps. This thing is awesome. Sure, the resolution isn't as good, but this unit makes up for in the colors of the screen, the brightness, and just the wow factor of the device. It is just so small yet it packs in an OPTIMIZED 400mhz Xscale processor with teh 200mhz bus, 57mb usable ram, 3 mb of flash rom to use, as well as the 32 ROM for the OS. Its an amazing device. If you have a choice, run away from sony, as they are WAY to proprietary. I can use SD, CF, even MEMORY STICKS as there are MS-->CF adaptors.

NOW IS THE TIME TO MAKE THE SWITCH TO PPC.

~~**I am not trying to flame. I have had multiple devices with both OSes and I favor the PPC or the WINDOWS MOBILE devices more**~~

[Importluva]

Originally posted by Dougf
Heh heh hehh the ultimate debate, PPC Vs Palm OS. I have switched twice to PPC from Palm OS and Twice I got so aggravated over and over that I am keeping Palm from now on. When HP 1910 came out I fell in love with it in the store and bought it on impulse. When I tried using the text entry, I found myself correcting it too many times.

PPC comes with Block recognizer, keyboard, character recognizer, and Transcriber. I'm sure that ppl will find one of the four that they can use.


I found that for any simple function I wanted the PPC to perform, an application with a hefty price tagshad to be bought to do it...from a simple program that puts an X on the top right hand of the screen to shut down a program, to programs to back everything up, to 3rd party games and PIM Software. The PIM functions were awful and extemely unreliable almost having me miss 2 meetings when I had it.

Close out programs as well as adding more info to the status bar-free. Icbar and Wisbar. Not only do they add the Close functionality (which should have been inherently coded into the OS) but also battery/memory meter, shortcut buttons, time/date, and volume control to name a few.

My favorite is when people compare memory and processor speed on the 2 units. You can get 64 Megs on a PPC and almost fill it all up with 2 or 3 large apps. Keep in mind that PPC programs are memory hogs, they have higher memory available but programs take up all that memory to run. PPC also slows down considerably and very noticeably when you run programs, I have yet to run into a program that slows down my Palm units that much where it actually gets annoying.

Ahh, the beauty of multitasking. PPCs can have multiple programs open at one time. Obviously, this will diminish performance after a while theoretically. However, when I have PIM programs open as well as word/excel, I notice NO lag at all. I only notice lag when I have SNES open at the same time as some other functions.

And lets not forget one other thing....battery life! At the end of the day, just using PIM functions, my PPC's were at 50% battery no matter what, I have went many days without having to charge any Palm unit with normal use, and if you bring up the spare battery that the new units are allowing, do you really want to have to switch the battery twice a day?

My battery life on my 2215 is FAR superior to my old NX70v. Many users are reporting that this unit is able to go 2.5 to 3.5 hours with CONSTANT WIFI USE. Definitely better than the 1.5 that some NX users were lucky to see. I have gone over 4 hrs on my ipaq with 52% battery life remaining-while playing MP3s, watching divx movies (yes REAL divx movies, as well as mpeg and avi, oh and don't forget the PPC supports Ogg Vorbis for music...) Poor battery life? Look at the NX and the NZ-now thats horrible battery life. Also, the new PXA255 processors are really battery friendly-they are supposed to use something like 30% less battery power than their previous incarnation, teh PXA250.


That adds to the point of being unreliable. I would also like to mention that when you install programs on a Pocket PC, if you don't like the program good luck completely removing it. One example was Pocket Informant, I tried it and wasn't impressed with it. I tried removing it and all programs it had with it, some programs wouldn't delete, they stuck it in there, taking 2 megs to do nothing. What killed me was this was the case with 5 programs, they would stick something in the programs that wouldn't let me completely remove it, I had almost 20 megs of space from programs I couldnt use at that point, or remove. Then when doing a Hard Reset, I had to install one program at a time so that I could keep the deleted program out completely. It was like erasing your PC hard drive and re-installing all of your programs, now let it happen 3 times in 2 weeks because of system slow downs and crashes.

PPC comes with a real file explorer-all you have to do is go into windows folder and delete the files. This isn't a hard thing to do.


I quickly returned it and appreciating the simplicity purchased another Palm. Last thing was the live synch with the PC and the back and forth navigation through the PPC and desktop. I had to dig and dig to find certain programs to bring them up to the desktop so I didn't have to go through 2-3 screens to locate and run it, and then found I had to buy another program to allow shortcuts on the desktop. I found I would have to purchase all this software to bring the PPC up to Par with the convenience and ahem....simplicity of the Palm.

Why would you run a program through ActiveSync??? :confused: However, I can see the whole PPC from my desktop/laptop. Not JUST the MS.


It's ultimately your money and your decision

EXACTLY!!!!


many people will battle all my points which is fine....they call it an opinion for a reason, but I made the mistake twice, I won't make it again. If all the decision is base on is a Word Processing program, Wordsmith really does work great....if you are looking to get THAT detailed.....I'd get a laptop. It all depends on if you don't mind taking months to learn the difficult user interface of the PPC, or minutes to learn Palm OS....good luck with whatever you decide....and if you choose to go to PPC....you'll be back, heh heh hehhhh :) [/B]

An opinion is yours to make :D However, I've now owned 4 PPCs (Casio EM500, Ipaq 3835, Dell Axim Basic, and currently an HP 2215) and 3 PalmOS devices (HS Visor, clie Nr70, clie NX70v) and I can't be happier with the PPC. Sure, it can be buggier, and it takes 1 more tap to get into your PIM functions (out of the box-lots of STABLE freeware out there that minimizes this, and don't forget the awesome TODAY screen) but it is so much more powerful. I read this on another board and it goes something like this. What has more problems, a bicycle or a car? Thats right the more complex one does. The price of features.

Pls people, I am not trying to flame, I am just giving valid constructive argument to this. I in no way shape or form am trying to start a flame war, but healthy argument can be fun. So please keep in mind that these are just handhelds and nothing more. :)

[Importluva]

Hey athradon, nice to see you here. I just replied to your message on Brighthand.com. GO with the PPC-you'll be happy :)

[neogin]

Importluva .. welcome to the darkside .. you are selected :D

i used to have PPC also .. i agreed with you for the above details of PPC .. if PPC has good camera as NX80, i would buy PPC instead of NX80 .. and the bigger screen on clie ..

i was checking ipaq 2215 last week at fry .. luv it so much .. :D but my main purpose were the camera with larger screen ..

Badandy .. Dell has some good deal now .. 15% discount and free shipping on any clie .. expire at august 1, 2003 .. you might get some combo discount coupon online .. wait a bit .. it is now $510 for the new NX80 ..

benbargains.net

enjoy

[hansschmucker]

I just would like to comment on this:
What has more problems, a bicycle or a car?

I don't think bicycles and cars are any good for a comparison:

Think about comparing a glider airplane with just a motor for starting to a small, regular airplane.

The normal airplane isn't better and it only needs the power it has to lift itself up, since it is heaver and less optimized.
The glider on the other hand is so well optimized that it doesn't care about power, since everything is so slim it dosn't need much additonal power to fly.

The glider, that's your Palm
The regular airplane, that's PPC

So stay with use, bro!

[Dougf]

Originally posted by Importluva


PPC comes with Block recognizer, keyboard, character recognizer, and Transcriber. I'm sure that ppl will find one of the four that they can use.

That was the funny thing, they all seemed flawed, I can't use the keyboard ALL the time, Block recognizer was just like graffiti but didn't take as well, transcriber recognized NOTHING I wrote, an occasioanl word here and there, and the same experience with Charactor recognizer. I'm told this is because I am lefty. Reeeeeeal convenient....can you say Class Action Lawsuit? lol J/K


Close out programs as well as adding more info to the status bar-free. Icbar and Wisbar. Not only do they add the Close functionality (which should have been inherently coded into the OS) but also battery/memory meter, shortcut buttons, time/date, and volume control to name a few.

I have those functions without needing a third party app to remove even more memory from my PDA, but you hit the nail...WHICH SHOULD BE INHERENTLY CODED INTO OS...it's not....simple ridiculous fact!

Ahh, the beauty of multitasking. PPCs can have multiple programs open at one time. Obviously, this will diminish performance after a while theoretically. However, when I have PIM programs open as well as word/excel, I notice NO lag at all. I only notice lag when I have SNES open at the same time as some other functions.

First of all it isn't a theory that this will diminish performance, it is a reality. If I wanted to play SNES games I could buy a Gameboy....either way, game quality is not bad at all on my NX, AND I could get a game controller for my NX for 8 bucks at Best Buy, could you do that with your PPC? lol



My battery life on my 2215 is FAR superior to my old NX70v. Many users are reporting that this unit is able to go 2.5 to 3.5 hours with CONSTANT WIFI USE. Definitely better than the 1.5 that some NX users were lucky to see. I have gone over 4 hrs on my ipaq with 52% battery life remaining-while playing MP3s, watching divx movies (yes REAL divx movies, as well as mpeg and avi, oh and don't forget the PPC supports Ogg Vorbis for music...) Poor battery life? Look at the NX and the NZ-now thats horrible battery life. Also, the new PXA255 processors are really battery friendly-they are supposed to use something like 30% less battery power than their previous incarnation, teh PXA250.

The difference is, PPC batterys run whether on or off, NX battery life only diminishes when in use, My 1910 ran to 10% every night whether I used it or not. DIVX was extremely buggy and I couldn't use all DIVX files, I had to use 4 different programs to view 4 different file types....Kinoma let me encode ALL movie types to one file and allows me to synch it to my NX at high quality. I have used my MP-3's for 6 hours on my NX and only had 50% afterwards...that is no lie. Do the laws of physics cease to exist on MY NX and not everyone elses? I think somebody was griping about NX and maybe lied a little on that battery time eh?


PPC comes with a real file explorer-all you have to do is go into windows folder and delete the files. This isn't a hard thing to do.

NX xomes with NX import/export allowing me the same ability but just needing to navigate through 4 or 5 folders as opposed to almost a whole other computer hard drive with Pocket PC...files over files.


Why would you run a program through ActiveSync??? :confused: However, I can see the whole PPC from my desktop/laptop. Not JUST the MS.

I wasn't trying to run the programs through ActiveSynch, I was trying to get rid of it.....like I said MEMORY HOGS! I had all my memory used with so few programs I was going nuts trying to find out what was taking it all up because it was running slow and crashing, there were files hidden all over the place.



EXACTLY!!!!




An opinion is yours to make :D However, I've now owned 4 PPCs (Casio EM500, Ipaq 3835, Dell Axim Basic, and currently an HP 2215) and 3 PalmOS devices (HS Visor, clie Nr70, clie NX70v) and I can't be happier with the PPC. Sure, it can be buggier, and it takes 1 more tap to get into your PIM functions (out of the box-lots of STABLE freeware out there that minimizes this, and don't forget the awesome TODAY screen) but it is so much more powerful. I read this on another board and it goes something like this. What has more problems, a bicycle or a car? Thats right the more complex one does. The price of features.

I've owned the Casio E-125 a brick that got just over an hour Battery life and the 1910 which got around 3 hours of battery that HAD to be recharged no matter what at the end of the day. I actually had to make sure I didn't use it for Multi Media throughout the day so I conserve the battery. I have the Today screen on my NX....just press through Datebook functions. You have to search all over the place for freeware on PPC and they are all demos that you eventually have to purchase, heres my question, who has more software to find on any given search? PALM. Lastly on this one, that extra tap is not just through PIMs, everything in PPC OS needs extra taps for access things, when I am driving and I need a number quick I find it with one step on my NX (yea yea, I know I shouldnt do that when I am driving) but PPC was actually dangerous trying to do that. I am in sales, I actually use these units mostly for PIM and settle down at the end of the nbight or on breaks to play with it, PPC is just not User friendly.

Pls people, I am not trying to flame, I am just giving valid constructive argument to this. I in no way shape or form am trying to start a flame war, but healthy argument can be fun. So please keep in mind that these are just handhelds and nothing more. :)

My point exactly, I love going back and forth as to perpectives and differences of opinion, so ground rules here, no name calling, and the word Sucks shall not apply.....let the games begin!!!

[Importluva]

Good to hear that we can all be mature about this one! So much potential for a flame war-lets not go that way...yet :D


I personally miss the stability and simpleness of PALM OS. However, for me, the PPC just offers me so much more for what MY needs are to justify a switch. However, I am too always switching devices, so if Palm comes out with a new killer device that does what I need it to, then I'll switch. I'm not partial to either side. But for now, PPC gives me what I need.

[Importluva]

Originally posted by hansschmucker
I just would like to comment on this:
What has more problems, a bicycle or a car?

I don't think bicycles and cars are any good for a comparison:

Think about comparing a glider airplane with just a motor for starting to a small, regular airplane.

The normal airplane isn't better and it only needs the power it has to lift itself up, since it is heaver and less optimized.
The glider on the other hand is so well optimized that it doesn't care about power, since everything is so slim it dosn't need much additonal power to fly.

The glider, that's your Palm
The regular airplane, that's PPC

So stay with use, bro!


Well, by that theory then lets keep it going. The glider does get up in the air faster. Then it sees the looming shadow of the other airplane, as it quickly catches up and PASSES the glider, sending it in a whirlspin back down to earth. (ex-PPC is more powerful). Oh, and btw the regular airplane has 100 people on board versus the 1 or 2 on teh glider (ex. Multitasking). Later on that week, the airplane has to be serviced for regular maintenance, but the glider is still out flying, no maintenance needed for a while to come (ex-stability).

:D :P

[n2ifp]

I had my fill of HPC's and PPC's. I moved to Palm and never looked back. I am not saying PPC is all bad, I am just happier overall with Palm. Sure a lot of it can be debated, but what's the point? I am with Palm to stay and have no interest in PPC what so ever :).

[Tixx]

Originally posted by Badandy
I am craving the New Ipaq 2215. I dont know why, I just am.

There is great software for the PPC such as TextMaker which is a FULL featured word processor, and other stuff.


I dont know why I am wanting it. Help me!





Seriousley, can someone please convince me that I shouldnt, I mean I like my NX and all, but that Ipaq is sure cool!

Well, from your criteria of a Word Processor being included, Documents to Go (Palm OS) has been repeatedly shown to sync better with Microsoft products than any included software on the PPC. So far thus the NX is clearly better for you.:)

[Badandy]

lol. I need native. All my files are on my memorys stick.


ImportLuva, BTW I am AJMAN on brighthand.What price did you get your ipaq for?


Anyway, I like Cliesource, and unless I get a REALLY good deal, I am hereto stay.

[tonyreynolds]

I guess I might as well dive in here...

The reason for me coming to this board, and the reason that I'm looking at a Palm OS unit again, ie, Clie, is that I'm sick of PPC and the attendant overhead that goes with it.

I like the multi-media aspects of the PPC and I like the simplified file handling, etc. It's nice to have an Explorer that functions pretty much like my desktop.

That said, I really only use a PDA for a few things:

1. PIM functions
2. Memos and notetaking
3. Reading eBooks
4. Listening to music
5. Photo albums

All of these things are available on both systems, but I found over the last five or six years, that having had both Palm OS and PPC, the Palm OS units are easier to use FOR THE APPS I NEED TO RUN.

Like everything else, it all comes down to personal preference.

I looked at a 2215 at Fry's yesterday when I looked at the NX73. The 2215 is DEFINITELY TEMPTING. I have to ask myself though to remember all the times I've had to correct input when I can't get ANY of the input methods to work as well as Grafitti, when it's taken 5 or 6 'clicks' just to get a simple appointment entered, or when I've needed to enter a simple memo. YMMV, but for me it's been far easier to use the Palm OS units.

I like Microsoft Reader, but it's slow and there are readers that are every bit as good for the Palm OS units.

The Office apps, as mentioned, are NOT on par with their desktop counterparts, DESPITE what Microsoft would lead you to believe. The big thing is MP3's, but Clie's have that covered in spades.

THERE IS NO PPC UNIT WITH A BUILT-IN KEYBOARD LIKE THE CLIE.

RAM and ROM comparisons paltform-to-platform are not a good way to judge either, as mentioned above.

I've simply decided that for what I need to do, for the time being, Palm OS running on a clamshell Clie of some flavor is a better fit.

That's just me...

Tony

[Badandy]

Thanks for the info!

[nickster87]

Little off topic:

Import Luva: Are you using Windows Media Player for PPC to play your movies and video files?

[nickster87]

Neogin:

Where did you find that Dell discount? Could I have a link? That deal sounds really good!!!

[Importluva]

Badandy-whats goin on? I got my 2215 from BB by swapping in my malfunctioning NX for it. I was going to wait for the NX80, but the HP just blew me away.

Nickster-I use WMP for my MP3s and PocketTV for mpegs. I have yet to use WMP for movies on my current device, altho I ave used it for my previous PPCs.

[Tek Phreak]

Well i've owned both Palms and PPC's as well and have liked and disliked both as well... I think the fact still remains however that you can't get a palm OS device that has 2 expansion slots and BT built in (at least i can't think of one - 2215), and you def can't get one that has WIFI and BT built in w/ one expansion - 2 if you count the silver slider w/ leather cover that adds no bulk (the 5455). Now if WIFI and BT are really important to you, i would almost say that it just makes more sense to go w/ PPC if they aren't - due to my love for the palm os - i would say go w/ palm os.

Like i said in another post, i should be picking up a 5455 here soon for virtually no cost, i think i'll try it and see if i like the built in BT and WIFI and other bells and whistles for a few days and if i don't like it i'll stick w/ my clie and sell the 5455, but if i do like it, then i'll probably kiss (and i probably will kiss - don't tell my girlfriend :) ) goodbye.

Enjoi.
-Tek

[stever]

If you NEED more power, and NEED multitasking, you DON'T NEED a glider OR a prop plane. You need a jet or a rocket, so get the laptop/tablet/desktop, and go on. I don't need MS.

[Tixx]

Originally posted by Badandy
lol. I need native. All my files are on my memorys stick.


ImportLuva, BTW I am AJMAN on brighthand.What price did you get your ipaq for?


Anyway, I like Cliesource, and unless I get a REALLY good deal, I am hereto stay.

If you need native then you should have said so as I believe it is QuickOffice that supports native on the PalmOS. I'm not sure what the memory stick has to do directly with the need for native support though. Not like the MS only can hold native MS program documents.

[Athradon]

I spent a good half-hour looking at the 2215 in Circuit City today...I can't say I was very impressed on my second look. The hardware is fantastic (though I thought the d-pad was slightly too 'mushy'), but the unintuitive OS and the lower-than-Clie resolution screen are the two factors holding me back from switching. I really didn't want the added bulk of the flip-and-twist screen, camera, and thumbboard, but if the NX73 can be found for a bit over $400, it'll probably be worth the extra size.

[Badandy]

Tixx, I have a Vaio laptop which has an ms slot. I put ALL of my docs on the ms, and I dont want to convert from the ms to internal. I have QO, it is good, but they need to make it so it doesnt create another copy once you edit it.

[Jaymz]

I didnt read all the replies but I was planning on getting an IPAQ forever, I researched PDAs back when the NX70 was 800 bucks and just decided I didnt have enough money at the time, then a week or two ago I decided to get one cuzz I had money and even going to Compusa I was planning on getting an IPAQ. You know why I didnt? Even though I personally like Pocket PC better, I like the expandable options of the Ipaq better, but a lot that could be put on the ipaq came with the NX70, and the screen is just so nice, I love the flip future, no more worries about scratches when putting it into my pocket or dealing with those annoying cases. I went to magnolia hi-fi and the guy pointed out you can get an awsome camera for the IPAQ, better than the sony one, yea but thats another like $200 plus the Ipaqs the same price, and then you cant have a card in the same slot. Overall the NX70 is a better choice IMO and I havent regreted buying it over any other PDA, even if I had the money I probably wouldnt have gone for the new NX (not sure on the number, the one thats grey/dark blue with the better camera) because im happy with this one just fine, plus with that extra $400 I could have gotten a lot of storage on a card lol.

Long story short Sony > ipaq. Maybe if you had a ton of money to get everything for the ipaq then ipaq > sony, but not if you are carefull with your money.

[Importluva]

But then again lets analyze this. First of all, in order to have BT on the sony, you have to pay $100 for the BT MS. Then if you want dual slots, then you have to pay for eruware's driver which is $30. Thats $130 that you already have to spend to get where the ipaq is. However, if you NEED a low res camera and a built in keyboard, then the choice is clear, just get the NX. However, I find the OS lacking.

[stever]

That is what is a plus for a lot of us that hang out on PalmOS types of forums. We prefer an os that is not so big and bulky, and all the ready software that is available. That is why we are where we are.

Now mind you sometimes, some of us prefer otherwise. I, for example also own the Sharp Zaurus(Linux), along with my palmOS units. It provides me with lots of OS without MS being involved. No sleeves needed for it either.

[Importluva]

True, simplicity is the major selling point of the OS, as well as the amount of quality freeware. I just like the increased functionality of PPC

However, I wonder how Palm will be when the new OS6 debuts? With all of the new bells and whistles, I'm willing to bet that the simplicity and stability won't be up to par as with the previous OSes.

[UZI4U182]

PPC doesn't have increased functionality as far as I'm concerned.

[Dougf]

Originally posted by Importluva
But then again lets analyze this. First of all, in order to have BT on the sony, you have to pay $100 for the BT MS. Then if you want dual slots, then you have to pay for eruware's driver which is $30. Thats $130 that you already have to spend to get where the ipaq is. However, if you NEED a low res camera and a built in keyboard, then the choice is clear, just get the NX. However, I find the OS lacking.

OK, but if you want to have the ability to close a simple program instead of having 10 running apps at the same time, you have to purchase software. If you want the ability to move icons to shortcuts on the main screen, you have to buy an application, if you want the camera and ability to capture a photo anywhere for any reason you have to purchase one for PPC, if you want an option of a keyboard or thumbboard, you have to purchase one, apples and oranges my friend, but if you purchased a clie fresh out of box, you get more bang for your buck then you do with PPC, that wasn't always true, but it is now. Again, these are Personal Digital Assistants, If I want to put in an appointment, I don't weant to have to go through an entire process, I want to open and enter my text....period....I don't understand it...where is the OS lacking? I find PPC interface lacking....what is wrong with simple?

[nx70]

Besides the fact, that I never owned a PPC- why would one want to swap?
Prices are high for the hardware for the Clié.
Software seems to be expensive for PocketPCs and will bring it to the same price. But why should one support Microsoft? Isn't that alone a reason not to switch? Only PalmOS has so many software available. I don't know but is Microsoft giving the soucre code for Pocket Windows? PalmOS gives developers far more information.
Besides, it really depends upon the use. If you only want PIM and such things both a pretty much the same. Till today I think PalmOS is business purpose and PPC just toy for Windows freaks. Who else would be willing to carry a Windows in his pocket even out of home?
Just some thoughts.

[n2ifp]

Originally posted by Jaymz
I didnt read all the replies but I was planning on getting an IPAQ forever, I researched PDAs back when the NX70 was 800 bucks and just decided I didnt have enough money at the time, then a week or two ago I decided to get one cuzz I had money and even going to Compusa I was planning on getting an IPAQ. You know why I didnt? Even though I personally like Pocket PC better, I like the expandable options of the Ipaq better, but a lot that could be put on the ipaq came with the NX70, and the screen is just so nice, I love the flip future, no more worries about scratches when putting it into my pocket or dealing with those annoying cases. I went to magnolia hi-fi and the guy pointed out you can get an awsome camera for the IPAQ, better than the sony one, yea but thats another like $200 plus the Ipaqs the same price, and then you cant have a card in the same slot. Overall the NX70 is a better choice IMO and I havent regreted buying it over any other PDA, even if I had the money I probably wouldnt have gone for the new NX (not sure on the number, the one thats grey/dark blue with the better camera) because im happy with this one just fine, plus with that extra $400 I could have gotten a lot of storage on a card lol.

Long story short Sony > ipaq. Maybe if you had a ton of money to get everything for the ipaq then ipaq > sony, but not if you are carefull with your money.

PPC, what's a PPC? :D

BTW, the NX70 was never $800.00 USD, it was $600.00 USD.

[tonyreynolds]

Originally posted by n2ifp


PPC, what's a PPC? :D

ya know, the Dark Side, as in

"Luke, beware the Dark Side"

Tony

[Dougf]

"PPC, what's a PPC? "

It's a gameboy advance/ MP3 player that breaks alot :)

[Importluva]

Originally posted by Dougf


OK, but if you want to have the ability to close a simple program instead of having 10 running apps at the same time, you have to purchase software. If you want the ability to move icons to shortcuts on the main screen, you have to buy an application, if you want the camera and ability to capture a photo anywhere for any reason you have to purchase one for PPC, if you want an option of a keyboard or thumbboard, you have to purchase one, apples and oranges my friend, but if you purchased a clie fresh out of box, you get more bang for your buck then you do with PPC, that wasn't always true, but it is now. Again, these are Personal Digital Assistants, If I want to put in an appointment, I don't weant to have to go through an entire process, I want to open and enter my text....period....I don't understand it...where is the OS lacking? I find PPC interface lacking....what is wrong with simple?

Close programs-use Wisbar, Icbar, or one of the many other taskbar programs out there. Price: FREE

Shortcuts to Today-Use TdLaunch Price: Free

Camera that I couldn't ever find a use for b/c of poor resolution-Price: N/A b/c I'll just buy a real digicam.

Thumbboard- I want one so there you win.

I can enter appointments/contacts just as easily through my today screen.


But I can see wehre you are coming from. I just want to inform people that haven't really used PPC that a lot of their info is wrong.