Tool to use custom video settings in NX/NZ/TG ImageConverter

[hansschmucker]

Thanx to Juan Carlos Franco, there's finally a binary version of my Prefs:ImageConverter tool which allows you to specify custom video/audio data rates, frames per second and resolution for your MP4 files. The tool is ever so simple and ever so powerfull:

Just download either the binary ZIP or the binary EXE from http://hansschmucker.free.fr/clie/Prefs-ImageConverter/

and start it:

http://hansschmucker.free.fr/clie/Prefs-ImageConverter/icprefs.png

Now just select the profile you want to alter, adjust the settings and press Apply. You don't even have to restart ImageConverter. Just add a new file, select output to MS and your profile and you're ready to go!

[hansschmucker]

I *bump*ed into my keyboard. Sorry ;)

[mrbjg4]

Can I use this utility to shrink file size? (Other than the default hi/std/low) Thanks.

[hansschmucker]

That's exactly what it's for. Download it, start it. Now select the setting you want to alter (for example LOW), ajust datarate & framerate and you're set

You can calculate the filesize when using custom settings like this:

(Video data rate + Audio data rate) * 0.45 = Filesize (MB) per hour

[mrbjg4]

nice-thanks, now i can fit a whole movie to 2 MSs.

[hansschmucker]

Even more: The maximum is something like that:
(32 kbitV + 32 kbit A) * 0.45= 28.2MB per hour
So, 56.4MB for 2 hours of film. Neat... isn't it?

[I_aM_mR_kEE]

Where is it? I cant find it on your site :)

[jackho]

A great utility... But I think if there is a restore default button would be helpful to reset all settings...

[hansschmucker]

I_aM_mR_kEE: Just scroll down...

jackho: Could you post the default values? I don't have them anymore

[Eddy]

yep, a restore back to default would be good, neccessary actually. But this is a great tool indeed. You're the man, hans

[cosFFM]

hans: great job! thanks a lot! I have not tried it yet, but it looks great and if you could incorporate a default settings button it would be even better!

now we should post our experiences with different settings and results concerning quality and filesize.

thanks again, hans!

[hansschmucker]

I need the standard values to include a restore button. Could sb. post them?

[jackho]

I just copy the default settings, some values I don't know what does it mean...

All standards are having same framerate = 14985

HI: Audio=128, Video=384, Resolution (HxW)=240x320

LO: Audio=32, Video=96, Resolution=112x160

NO: Audio=64, Video=216, Resolution=240x320

For Stereo part, both HI and NO are 30 30 30 32 and LO is 30 30 30 31

Is the Hi-Res check-box for resolution settings?

[hansschmucker]

Yes, since only 320x240 and 160x112 work, I didn't bother to include a big slider. Hires enabled means 320x240, disabled 160x112.
Stereo: 30303032 means just 0002 and 30303031 means 0001, in other words: 1 or 2 channels.

[jackho]

Thanks for your info... Waiting for your new version of this utility.

[hansschmucker]

Just a screenshot, to keep you bussy:
New tooltips
Filesize estimation
Quality estimation
Restore defaults option
Most of it already working, but the quality estimation formulars give me a headache!


http://hansschmucker.free.fr/clie/Prefs-ImageConverter/icprefsv2.png

[jackho]

I think just estimated filesize is ok. For quality index, I have no such concept... Of course, this maybe useful for others.

And... "Restore Defaults" button isn't too small?

[hansschmucker]

I don't want people to hit it accidently. The quality index concept is aimed at novice users.

[Eddy]

looks like your convertion tool is getting better & better, so is it still under development? or ready for download? :D
I like the index concept, makes things much more user friendly.

[hansschmucker]

The version you see is still in development. However, tomorrow and tuesday there will be final exams, so not much time to work on it. You can probably expect the release of V2 at the end of next week.

[mattyj2002]

Well done Hans, the new version looks like its gonna be even better!
Just thought id let you know of a few more video bitrates you could use, i've tried a few of them, they are all ok!

I've tried a multiple of 216 (the standard 'normal quality' setting) and that worked fine. I've tried 72, 108, and 144, so it might be possible to use others multiples like 54 and lower/higher than what i've tried.

Would be nice to see these included in the next version aswell because its always better to have more settings to use!

Thanks for the good job Hans, keep us posted!

[hansschmucker]

Will do so. Did you test 96k audio? Think I'll have to get rid of that!

BTW:

Here are a few samples with custom IC options, so the rest of you can see what it's all about:
The first and second samples are at 64kbit (32+32), so it's about half the size per minute then your average MP3 (meaning that 1 hour of clips in this format will be about 30 MB).

The first one uses a VERY low framerate, to provide high picture quality even at this datarate. It's also in 320x240 instead of the Sony default of 160x112 for LOW. Sometimes movement isn't very important or you really want to do a slideshow. That's when settings like these are best.
http://hansschmucker.free.fr/clie/Prefs-ImageConverter/MQ_ROOT-100MQV01-MOV00001.MQV.Sonic.Sample.32.32.2.HR.M.MOV

The second sample has the priority on movement. The picture quality isn't very good but the movie is at fluid as it gets. And all this at still 30MB per hour:
http://hansschmucker.free.fr/clie/Prefs-ImageConverter/MQ_ROOT-100MQV01-MOV00001.MQV.Sonic.Sample.32.32.15.LR.M.MOV

The third example doubles the data rate (making it exactly as big as a standard MP3), so one hour is now about 60MB (So you can still still fit a whole movie on your MS: It has improved sound quality that is almost as good as standard MP3 as well as improved video quality at a medium frame rate (7 pictures per second)
http://hansschmucker.free.fr/clie/Prefs-ImageConverter/MQ_ROOT-100MQV01-MOV00001.MQV.Sonic.Sample.64.64.8.LR.S.MOV

[nofx]

Does anyone think it would be useful for the NR series Clie. In other words would it be useful to get the MQV file from this tool and then use Kinoma to get it to PDB format? Just curoius if you think it is worth it.....

[jackho]

Yes. Kinoma actually can't handle MPEG4 AVI (except MAC version), MQV (QuickTime MPEG4) can be processed by Kinoma Producer. It can help you save your HDD space (as intermediate file MQV is small in size).

But it takes quite long time to convert, maybe simply to use other video editing softwares to convert to other format is faster.

[Eddy]

Originally posted by Hans
However, tomorrow and tuesday there will be final exams, so not much time to work on it. You can probably expect the release of V2 at the end of next week.
Hope you do well in your exams! Nice that you have prioritization on what is more important. :D
You'll have good results in your exams.

[hansschmucker]

Bettter use MJPEG AVIs. It's fast and offers better quality control then imageconverter (even with my tool) and can be read by QT natively
Pegasus ( http://www.pegasusimaging.com/picvideomjpeg.htm ) used to give away free licences. Sadly, they don't do this anymore. http://www.mainconcept.com has a very nice codec as well, but it isn't free either.

If you work a lot with DivX files, you can use the free 3ivx.com de-/encoder for QT. It's pretty good, but with many AVI's, you will have to convert the sound, since it's often WMV. If the video works, but there's no sound when being played in QT, you will have to recompress the sound. Use virtualdub.net to do this.

On other news: I JUST PASSED MY FINAL EXAMS (ABITUR)!!!! (And I'm a bit drunk right now, so bear with me)

[jackho]

That means if using 3ivx.com decoder for QT, Kinoma Producer can convert DivX AVI directly?

It's great to hear your good news... :D

[mattyj2002]

No i haven't tried that setting yet! I dont tend to go above 64kbps, dont think there is any need, it sounds good enough on my clie at that bitrate, besides its only played through headphones/internal speaker! I take it by what your saying it doesnt work? I will try later anyway, also try lots more video settings, will post results when i know them!

Well done on passing your exams, had mine a while back, i hate them!

Catch you later

[skccs]

I know it's off thins topic, but is there an easy way to get mpeg out of mqv?

[mattyj2002]

Hans, i tried those settings out.

All the video settings work great! I've tried 36, 54, 72, 108, and 144 kbps all with NO problems :D

But, on the other hand, tried a few audio settings, and no luck :(
Tried 56, 96, 112, and others, ALL FAILED! :(
Seems like the 3 you have already are the only 3 that will work.
Wheras video bitrates, well it looks like there are plenty of them! I will keep toying around to find some more if possible!

Oh, and btw, i think the new version looks great, love the projected file size calc. and the reset button, all goes towards making a great program!

Cya.


skccs:
To convert .MQV (NX videos) to MPEG/Quicktime/AVI buy Quicktime 6 Pro from www.apple.com/quicktime
Then just open the MQV in Quicktime, go file>export and choose what you want it to export to, voila!;)

[ir803]

ok this may be a dull question, but I have extracted the zip and am presented with four files ending .frm .vbg .vbp and .vbw what do I do now what do I use to open/run them???

[mattyj2002]

ir803, you have the UNcomplied ZIP file.
On Hans' page there are two ZIP files, one is compiled, one isnt.

If you download the other ZIP file, it will have the .EXE file in it ready to be run.

Hope you enjoy the prog :)

[cosFFM]

skccs: To convert .MQV (NX videos) to MPEG/Quicktime/AVI buy Quicktime 6 Pro from www.apple.com/quicktime Then just open the MQV in Quicktime, go file>export and choose what you want it to export to, voila!

Mattyj2002,

I am a little confused; this is all new to me ;) I had a look at www.apple.com and quicktime looks nice. I want to watch DVDs on my Clie. What I did in the past was converting a DVD using DVDx which produced a MPEG (1 or 2, don't know..) file. This file was about 950 MB big for 1 1/2 hour movie which I converted using Image Converter. This takes quite some time but delivers good results.

Now, when using Quicktime Pro (and maybe the MPEG-2 Playback Component) what can I achieve additionaly? Is it faster, better quality or the filesizes smaller? I reckon I still have to encode the DVD using DVDx but then I could convert this big file to a MPEG4 file? Is MPEG4 the format the Clie Movieplayer can play, too?

Please forgive my ignorance on this topic but I am a little lost right now... ;)

[mattyj2002]

Hi cosFFM,

The post by skccs that i replied to was asking how to convert the movies recorded by the CLIE (using Movie Rec) to MPEG-1 format (maybe for use on VCD?).

The answer is to open the file recorded on the CLIE (MOV0001.MQV or similar) in Quicktime 6 Pro, and convert it to MPEG-1.

The way you are converting your films is fine, and probably the quickest way as i know DVDx is a brilliant program!

Just do what you were before, convert DVD to MPEG/AVI using DVDx, then run it through the Image Converter to play it on your CLIE.

The program avialable by Hans (Image Converter Preferences Program) is just used to change the settings of the profiles in IC(Image Converter). The profiles are Long, Standard, and High quality.

You can use the program to change the Video and Audio bitrates, the Framerate and Resolution of your videos. If you do not know what these all are i suggest a general search on the web or ClieSource.

I hope i have helped out a bit, if you have any more questions, just ask.

Matt

[mattyj2002]

Hans,

Howz the update coming along? Is it ready to compile yet?

I cant wait for this next update, looks really good!

BTW, ordered my 256mb CF today! Should get it sometime next week, that baby is gonna be sooooo full of movies!

Cya

Matt

[Eddy]

congrads on your soon to come 256MB CF! mattyj2002 :D
I too have a 256MB CF, IMHO, they're the best size CF to work with the CLIE, not much frustration with movies especially! :p

[mattyj2002]

Thanks Eddy,

Should be getting it on tuesday next week! Its a PQI make CF, are they any good? Do you know?

[mattyj2002]

Hi Hans,

It's been some while since we've had an update from you about the new version of this ace program.

I was just wondering where its at? Still working on it? Ready to be compiled?

Just wondering.

Matt

[Eddy]

Originally posted by mattyj2002[/i]
Its a PQI make CF, are they any good? Do you know?
I'd say it's a good card, based on my personal opinion, since I haven't read or seen anybody with problems with the PQI brand. :)

[kantana]

If it's the PQI F1 40x range of cards then they are exceptionally fast at write, read speeds ain't slow either. When I used the 1Gb and the 512Mb versions in a Toshiba e755 PocketPC they exceeded the transfer rates of the Transcend 30x and the Lexar 40x WA cards.
In the Clie I assume they are fast as I haven't had any problems yet, movie play from them has been smooth apart from the Movie Player limitations of freezing if the file is playing and you rewind or fast forward.

[gnassel]

Danke Hans,
a must have tool!

But it seems it doesn´t matter so set stereo/mono.
At me all converted videos are stereo. I show at registry and they changed between 31/32.
Has anyone the same problem?

btw, i dayli record simpson or futurama with my server pc (condected on tv standing in the livingroom). I use Showshifter with xvid codec, 320x240 no audio compression, 2500 kbps.

Schmucklers tool settings for cartoons:
12.5fps, highres, video:128, audio:64 (mono but result is stereo?)

to take simpsons and futurama away, just move the vidio over image converter and wait 15 minites - done.
that allow me to store 2x 30 minutes on 128 MStick.

[Chris]

the program seems cool, !i've used it, but, I would have liked to be able to go over 384kb/s in video! especially if you're gonna watch a video in landscape mode, I think it's necessary, 384kb/s is just not enough, I am also curious to see how much the clié can handle!

oh and by the way, I have the nx73
from what I heard the movie player can play mpeg1 files with ou conversion., thing is where so I place the mpeg1files in the memory stick in order for them to be detected by the software?

[mattyj2002]

Chris:

The program only goes upto 384kbps video because that is all the Clie can support. If you try to go higher, the program will crash.

About the native .mpg files, check the video forum, there are a few posts there explaining in detail.

 

Matt

[Eddy]

Originally posted by Chris
from what I heard the movie player can play mpeg1 files with ou conversion., thing is where so I place the mpeg1files in the memory stick in order for them to be detected by the software?
place the mpeg format files in /MSSONY/MOML0001/ & have the *.mpg file named "MOV00001.MPG , MOV00002.MPG..." for example, then MoviePlayer will play them. Hope this helps. :p

[Chris77]

do I have to create those folders on the ms??
cauz I don't have them. And if so , where do I create them??
Thanx for the answers

[Eddy]

Originally posted by Chriss77
do I have to create those folders on the ms??
cauz I don't have them. And if so , where do I create them??
yes, create those folders outside of the "/PALM/" directory.
/MSSONY/MOML0001/, & rememeber that the mpeg files have to be correctly named inorder to play correctly off MoviePlayer :)

[gnassel]

I include a little output size calculator in hans schmucklers Prefs Image Converter. Now you can see the size of the output file and you can change the other parameter to fit your file to 128mb stick (example).
you can download it here (http://home.arcor.de/gnassel/imagec.zip)

hope you like it.

[mattyj2002]

Thanks a lot gnassel, that new program is great :D

Have been waiting for ages for Hans to release his next version with the same feature (plus some more :)), but he has not replied for ages now?! (you still out there Hans??)

 

Anyway, thanks gnassel, this make PrefsIC even better!!

 

Matt

[jdonalds]

Thanks hansschmucker,

I like to use standard mode to convert movies but often they are too big for a 256M CF card. Your application allowed me to shrink just enough to get a great quality Pretty Woman onto my CF card.

Now if only I could solve the out of sync sound problem...

John

[Eddy]

I think Hans will be releasing his version 2 soon, he's just finalizing the ImageConverter-Pref-tool. By the way, thanks! :D

[Eddy]

would be nice to have the additional reset to default button. :p

[gnassel]

It looks like Hans is gone on a verry long holiday ;-)
So I made a little change of his program

Changes to the original:
- Calculator to show the output size
- reset to default button

you can download it here: download (http://home.arcor.de/gnassel/imagec.zip)

[mattyj2002]

Good work gnassel, thanks for finishing Hans' work, looks like he has lost interest :(

[Eddy]

Thanks gnassel! Now a complete version of the ImageConverter with reversible to "Default values". :p

Guess Hans has been way too busy, but gotta thank him as well, for starting such a handy tool to modify the ImageConverter settings. Thanks you guys! :D

[Forest_Noggle]

Excuse my stupidity but I seem to have only downloaded the calculator part or the program. I cannot see any place to open or input a file to convert.

Does anyone have a link that goes to Hans' CONVERTER program?

Again, I apoligize.

Much appreciated.

Incidently, I hate those "DOS looking" windows because it looks like gibberish and you never know which link you actually WANT to download.

Jay

[Eddy]

Originally posted by foest_noggle
Excuse my stupidity but I seem to have only downloaded the calculator part or the program. I cannot see any place to open or input a file to convert.
Actually I think you've downloaded the correct file, with the calculator & the "default value" button too, right?
This file actually changes the values of ImageConverter[/i] within the registry of Windows.

So all you have to do is change your settings with Han's conversion tool, eg. frame rate, audio...etc... & press [b]apply.
Then exit that simple program, the settings you've just made are already set with the actual ImageConverter program. :p

Just "apply" with Han's tool, then use ImageConverter as you would regularly when converting videos. Those settings are already changed in the new MOV0001.MQV.

[Forest_Noggle]

Eddy:

THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!

The process change happens in the Windows Registry! Cool!
Now I understand.

Something actually went RIGHT today! WooHoo!

Jay

[Eddy]

you're welcome anytime! :p

[Forest_Noggle]

I take back what I said in above post and in the poll!!!!!!!!!

Eddy, if you are there, the NEW converter gives me an error: Cannot convert movie file.
What the F********************************

This is really starting to blow

Jay

[cyclone]

"Cannot convert movie file" means just that - it's in a format the converter can't deal with, perhaps a DivX file with compressed audio, or an unsupported form of Windows Media. It probably has nothing to do with the tool.

[Eddy]

Originally posted by Jay
Eddy, if you are there, the NEW converter gives me an error: Cannot convert movie file.
What the F********************************
Woah... chill out there, I know you're frustrated. I've also read your other post about planning to throw the NX back to the BAY. :p

As I've also mentioned in the other thread, it's most likely not Han's tool that's causing this "ERROR" but rather ImageConverter itself, as stated by cyclone above.

ImageConverter is very picky with mpeg or avi files.
If you still have the patience to try, I'd reommend freeware.....
www.tmpgenc.net
It has sorted out most of my problems dealing with video files that ImageConverter doesn't accepts. It will generate a plain mpeg-1 video file then run it through ImageConverter & see again. Hope this helps.

Dealing with the video part in Sony's MoviePlayer can be a real frustration. But once you have all the necessary 3rd party softwares, things starts to simplify itself. :)

[blackcarrera]

Use that software, it works great; however I stay away from MQV format and use MPEG as I can set the kb/sec at 500 kb rather than the 384 kb/sec.

[jackho]

I'm working on the new version of IC Prefs Editor. It will support IC 1.1, and even un-documented features... It is nearly completed but I'm still testing different bitrates in video (from 384-786kbps).

I will start a new thread if I completed and tested the program..

[Eddy]

I'm working on the new version of IC Prefs Editor. It will support IC 1.1, and even un-documented features... It is nearly completed but I'm still testing different bitrates in video (from 384-786kbps).

I will start a new thread if I completed and tested the program..


Wow! That's great Jack! I can't wait! Thank you! :p

[caseyatbt]

Is there any way to output to anywhere besides the MS?

[Eddy]

Is there any way to output to anywhere besides the MS?
Yes, to your PC's HDD, with ImageConverter you can convert the movie clips to your HDD first & even view it first before loading to the MS.
When you convert a certain Movie clip, ImageConverter will prompt you that you don't have MS insert, just click "Proceed anyway" then your *.mqv file will be generated in your HDD under "MQ_ROOT/100MQV01/"

[jackho]

The program is already completed (beta). But I don't know bitrates (384 - 768kbps) and framerate (15-30) which are playable in UX. Eddy, if you have time, pls test it for me...

BTW, I still can't get your e-mail. Did you send?

[Eddy]

oh sorry I've been busy Jack. I've just checked, email me again & I'll get you what you need. Eddy :p

[jackho]

As Eddy is too busy. I want to find some beta testers to test the new IC prefs editor. Although there are some minor things still not completed yet, the main functionality should be ok.

As I can't test the output above 384kbps in my NZ, I hope UX users can help me to do this. I think 2-3 people should be ok.

If you interested, pls leave your e-mail in PM. I will send you the d/l link for the exe file and program instructions. After tested and finished minor adjustment, I will release the program.

Thanks.

[Eddy]

As Eddy is too busy. I want to find some beta testers to test the new IC prefs editor. Although there are some minor things still not completed yet, the main functionality should be ok.
you got to be kidding me Jack! :p
I've just emailed you, & got your confirmation. So am I part of the beta? Or would I have to wait in line & PM you? Just kidding. ;)

[jackho]

You said you're busy... Didn't you? :)

I already sent the file to you. Try it and tell me the result in UX (I'm sure the program is working in PC's registries and tried to convert in IC).

Tell me your "feelings" when trying this program.. I will try to improve it before release.

[Eddy]

yeah, got your email attachment! :)
I'll try it later on tonight first thing! :D
I want to tweak my Standard Quality films to 30fps. :D

[kmroddy]

Sorry, I can't understand how to use this. Is it supposed to work with IC 1.1?

If so, would somebody explain each part of the process as you would to a complete idiot.

Thanks

[jackho]

Some registry settings are changed in IC 1.1. I'm not sure the old program by hans can work w/ 1.1 or not...

Mostly you only need to adjust video and audio rate (which are related to size and quality directly). For CLIEs beside UX, you can only set video rate up to 384kbps. And there are 2 check boxes ("Hi-Res" and "Stereo"). "Hi-Res" means high-resolution (320x240), low-resolution is 160x112. And I think you should know "Stereo"'s meaning.. :)

[Forest_Noggle]

jackho:

I am only a NX70V user, but interested in beta just the same.

I am still wrestling with audio sync issues on movie conversions using TMPGenc. Tried both VHS and DVD. Neither giving me success past about 20 minutes of length. There is a noticable amount of sync. The mpeg file is fine, but once converted with IC, the sync issue happens.

Jay

[mattyj2002]

Originally posted by foest_noggle
jackho:

I am only a NX70V user, but interested in beta just the same.

I am still wrestling with audio sync issues on movie conversions using TMPGenc. Tried both VHS and DVD. Neither giving me success past about 20 minutes of length. There is a noticable amount of sync. The mpeg file is fine, but once converted with IC, the sync issue happens.

Jay

I know why, you are using a *.5 frames per second setting.

This happened to me and i wondered why, it seems the default settings on the IC Tool are wrong. Just change it to 10,12,14,15 fps, anything that is an even number :)

 

Matt

[ilkera]

well I would like to testthe new version too. I don't have a UX though , so which one would be ok for me to use ?

[jackho]

If you are still using IC 1.0, then no need to change the new version (although I changed fps section to accept integers only in the new one).

For IC 1.1, I'm sorry that I've already sure that the program is working... As I haven't UX, so I need someone to test video rate > 384kbps to test it can play in UX or not...

But if you really want to try, then I can send you d/l link in PM later (after minor adjustment)...

[jackho]

Actually no one wants a new prefs editor? If so, then I won't release it... Although it was already completed and can enable "hidden feature" in IC.

[mattyj2002]

What 'hidden feature' would this be???

 

I would like to be able to use anything else BUT IC to convert my movies, it takes tooooo long :(

I'm working with the MMPlayer developer to help with Clie support, that is shaping up to be a very good movie app.

With DivX support, it has superior quality and less file size, also DivX encodes around 3x faster :D

The only problem is the 8khz sound API by SONY :mad: , but CliePet seems to be working on a better one (hopefully)

 

Matt

[jackho]

'hidden feature' is "hidden"... :)

I agree IC takes long time to convert. But IMHO, if there is an bulit-in player can do a good job (in both video and audio quality), then I don't want to pay for another player..

DivX conversion in my PC is just 2x faster (or maybe nearly same). Of course, I haven't tried to use MMPlayer standard to convert, it may take shorter time. You said this is superior quality, it is much better than those "sample movies" in the official site?

I hope CliePet can solve this problem too, because using YAMAHA ADPCM is terrible quality (IMHO). I can't accept that...

And if CliePet can solve the limitation of MoviePlayer (i.e. playing 768kbps in NX/NZ/TG), that it is much better...

[ilkera]

mattyj2002,

You're saying that you are happy with MMplayer and as I can read from your signature you are using NX70V (so as me)

Does MMplayer support NX70V ? What about sound support ?

[Blazefire]

How about adding the ability to change the setttings beyond the IC standards, like higher framerates (greater than 15)? Unless the clie won't play higher framerates, I don't see any reason why this feature shouldn't be added. It would be a trial and error process, but totally great feature.

[jackho]

This already supported in the new version (up to 30fps and 768kbps in IC 11). Only UX can play MQV more than 15fps and 384kbps, other CLIEs can't play.

If someone can hack the Avx MQT Parser.prc, maybe older CLIEs can play also..

[mattyj2002]

Originally posted by jackho
'hidden feature' is "hidden"... :)

I agree IC takes long time to convert. But IMHO, if there is an bulit-in player can do a good job (in both video and audio quality), then I don't want to pay for another player..

DivX conversion in my PC is just 2x faster (or maybe nearly same). Of course, I haven't tried to use MMPlayer standard to convert, it may take shorter time. You said this is superior quality, it is much better than those "sample movies" in the official site?

I hope CliePet can solve this problem too, because using YAMAHA ADPCM is terrible quality (IMHO). I can't accept that...

And if CliePet can solve the limitation of MoviePlayer (i.e. playing 768kbps in NX/NZ/TG), that it is much better...

Well, IMO, a 250kbps DivX at 320x240 resolution (and at 25fps, or even 30 if you want!) is the same quality as a High Quality MQV (384kbps)!

This is mainly due to the fact that DivX MPEG4 uses alot more advanced algorithums to achive a much higher quality result in less filesize. DivX also supports 2pass encoding to gain even better results!

I would rather spend $15 on purchasing MMplayer, than the extra $50 or more in purchasing a larger memory stick/compact flash card to have high quality CLIE Movie Player videos.

Just my 2 cents (or pence ;))

 

Matt

[jackho]

Yes.. But one of the most important thing is, MMPlayer's using Yamaha ADPCM... Like Kinoma, such audio quality is terrible for me.. And (IMHO) framerate isn't too much differences between 15fps and 30fps, video bitrate is much more important...

If the audio problem is solved, maybe I will change also.. Although I have 512MB MSPRO and 384MB CF.

[c0mm0n]

I'm buming this thread as i try to use this tool on my ux but IC 1.1 won't allow conversion after i used the tool....it won't niether after i selected default settings so i think i'm good for a IC reinstall ; anyway unchanged profiles are still working.

Have anybody else tested this on a ux ?

[Eddy]

same results here as well when I tried half year ago, to use the same conversion tool IC1.1, doesn't work, & I've WinXP Pro. :p

Anyway, Jackho has already stopped the testing since there were not many people interested in testing this tweaking application. I do however wonder how he's doing. :)

[Egalus]

@c0mm0n:
go into your registry and go to
hkey_local_machine/Software/Sony Corporation/Image Converter/1.1
In this section you find the settings for imageconverter.
For Imageconverter 1.0 you had different settings for the xx_stereo (xx being LO, NO, HI or SH) which brake the settings for 1.1 if you use the tool.
Just set those values for xx_stereo back to 1 or 2 (mono or stereo) and IC 1.1 wil work again.

[c0mm0n]

-> Egalus thx :

I went in the registry and actually all my xx-stereo values seem to be ok ;

Here's a screenshot

http://c0mm0n.free.fr/ic.jpg

[Egalus]

Like I said, the only values for xx_Stereo that are ok for IC 1.1 are
LO_STEREO and SH_STEREO (as their values are 1 or 2)

I bet you can converter Videos to low or superhigh quality with IC 1.1, cause your LO-Settings and Super High-Settings are IC 1.1 compatible and your NORMAL and HIGH settings are not.

Change your settings for HI_STEREO, and NO_STEREO to either Value 1 or 2 and you will be able to convert to Normal or High with IC 1.1 again.

Values like 30 30 30 32 are IC 1.0 format values and will stop IC 1.1 from working.

[c0mm0n]

Ok got it thx a lot !! :)

[anitanium]

another solution is to overwite the IC1.0.exe install over the IC1.1 install
works for me

[jackho]

Originally posted by Eddy
Anyway, Jackho has already stopped the testing since there were not many people interested in testing this tweaking application. I do however wonder how he's doing. :)

I sent you the program (it acutally finished, the different w/ final version is just little improvements in final version) long time ago, you should be able to see how it works...

You didn't check mail?

[c0mm0n]

I can also test if needed :)

[jackho]

If you like, I can send it to you later... But I'd just moved to new house, so no internet now (until installation). If you can wait for at least 3 weeks, then send me your e-mail by PM...

[jackho]

cOmmOn:
I got your PM, I will send you the file in next week after ADSL installation.

[Forest_Noggle]

jackho:

are you saying you have an updated performance tool for IC 1.1 (like the tool Hansmacher created for 1.0)?

I went back through this thread breifly, but couldn't find anything that specifically pointed to a new tool for IC 1.1.

Hope I'm correct in my assumption. If I am, if someone else has this new app feel free to send it to me in PM!

Thanks, Jay

[Egalus]

I would love an app that can change settings for IC1.1 - I hate hacking the registry personally ;)

So if someone has such an app, please mail it to me too, thx.

[c0mm0n]

Thx Jackho, i'll host the file for all after you're mailed it :)

[jackho]

foest_noggle:

That's not a performance tool, that is registry (preferences) editing tool...

And few months ago, I already posted in this thread about the new preference editing utility. It supports both IC 1 and 1.1 (w/ some hidden functions), w/ a better output size estimation calculator. But no one was interested when I post the msg...

And I need to confirm the source is still in my hdd or not, as nobody was interested in that time, maybe I'd deleted it already.. I need some time to re-write program if I deleted it...

[Forest_Noggle]

This would save me having to buy a bigger MS. For tolerable quality, 227 megs is sometimes a couple megs short.

It is appreciated, Jay

[anitanium]

what you guys can do is get the original IC1.0 exe and override it with the installation of IC1.1
so that when you run the IC prefs program, it will work

[jackho]

cOmmOn:

Sorry, I still haven't time to send the file to you. I need to write a simple manual (or maybe installation program also) before send it to you... Pls wait...

[sixseven]

I just wanted to send my encouragement and support of the new tool. I am patiently waiting... :) :)

[jackho]

I already sent it to cOmmOn (bug fixed version) and waiting for him to u/l it to web.

I will post a new thread about the program and d/l url when all things are done. (maybe on 1/5)..

[NZ 90 B]

Hello gnassel

Is it possible to add one more feature in the programe?
Like let us to choose only left audio or only right audio to convert to mov.

[NZ 90 B]

Hello gnassel

Is it possible to add one more feature in the programe?
Like let us to choose only left audio or only right audio when convert to mov.

: )

[Egalus]

@NZ 90 B
As the little pogram only sets parameters for IC it can't be done if IC does not support it (and as far as I know it doesn't).

[sum1]

Jackho, have you gotten the new image converter prefs uploaded yet? I have a small mem stick (128) and definetly would use this program to get vids smaller.

PLEEEZ POST THE LINK FOR THE PROGRAM AS SOON AS YOU CAN.

(thank you a billion times for rewriting hans program to work for ic 1.1)

[jackho]

Pls go to another thread: "New ICPrefs 2.1" in this forum. You can find out the d/l url....