1src Forums - I want a section Tungsten T at cliesource

Wolvy

01-28-2003, 12:14 AM

Also not to be rude Picasosz ... but this forum is not exclusive for Clie users. I use a Clie and have just bought a Tungsten T, so I would also like to see something which caters for both. Of course the main drive is going to be Clie.

For instance ... I LOVE ClieSource but have found that since I bought the TT I don't visit as frequently. This is a shame because I thoroughly enjoy the forums on ClieSource and a lot of what is discussed is software related ... not specific to a Clie.

PDABuzz and PalmInfocenter have forums for all the Palm devices, so perhaps ClieSource could have a new forum for "Other Palm devices"? That way it does not need to specifically mention the TT.

Wolvy

01-28-2003, 12:20 AM

Sorry, that's me above ...

Auto log-in did not work 'again' ... even though I have it enabled with cookies in profile. Cliesource must have found out I bought a TT (ha ha).

cbulock

01-28-2003, 03:24 AM

I hope I don't offend anyone, especially the Palm users who visit these boards, but one thing I like about ClieSource is that the users are generally more mature than other boards I have been to. I remember that at the Palm board at Brighthand the average user age was about 16 or 17. Not that that is bad, and I was surprised at how knowledgeable some of the people are. But at the same time, they seemed to attract a lot more trolls and such. So I guess what I'm getting at is, while I think it's cool that Palm users, and Zaurus users visit here, I think if there were permanent sections of the board for Palm, it might lessen the quality of the board. *Please don't flame me too bad :) *

honolulu

01-28-2003, 03:36 AM

the stupid things it's that in October I had a nr70v and now a TT.

simply because I have a TT the clie doesn't interessent me any more?

I use zlauncher, I use kinoma, acidimage, etc... and you ?

when I make a skin for zl I make one for clie, why not ?

well, it's just an idea, nothing other.

but If I do what you known as. my next skin for zl will be right for palm. :p

Wolvy

01-28-2003, 03:49 AM

Originally posted by cbulock
I hope I don't offend anyone, especally the Palm users who visit these boards, but one thing I like about ClieSource is that the users are generally more mature than other boards I have been to. I remember that at the Pam board at Brighthand the average user age was about 16 or 17. Not that that is bad, and I was suprised at how knowledgeable some of the people are. But at the same time, they seemed to attract a lot more trolls and such. So I guess what I'm getting at is, while I think it's cool that Palm users, and Zaurus users visit here, I think if there were permenent sections of the board for Palm, it might lessen the quality of the board. *Please don't flame me too bad :) *

No offense taken as I'm a user of the Clie and Palm ... and I can safely say that I am well out of the 16-17 year old bracket.
I do agree about the knowledge that some of these kids have but at the same time some of them can get pretty childish in the replies. Saying that, I know a lot of more 'mature' users who are the same.

What I would disagree with is, trying to say that because the forum is 'geared up' for Clie users it should be exclusive. Rather it should be more open to other Palm pda's so that Clie users can be better informed.

Just imagine how you would feel if Palminfocenter suddenly said that their name starts with Palm ... so no Clie users.

Let's keep an open mind and perhaps that mind can expand with knowledge gained from more than one brand.

Joel

01-28-2003, 03:52 AM

TT users are always free to post in the Off-Topic area. ;)

...or in the General area if the TT has a direct effect on a Clie. Like that time I posted a warning -- when we beamed the Clie Remote app from an NX to the TT which rendered the TT's IR useless. :(

Wolvy

01-28-2003, 03:59 AM

Originally posted by fireball
TT users are always free to post in the Off-Topic area. ;)

No offense Fireball ... but have you seen some of the off topics recently. They are so WAY off topic ranging from the situation with Iraq to people asking where they can get replacement contact lens ... that they have absu=olutely nothing to do with the Palm OS and quite frankly I just don't want to have to sift through all that stuff to be able to discuss another Palm device.

Surely a "Other Palm devices" ... or something alonmg those lines, would be more appropriate?:rolleyes:

Joel

01-28-2003, 04:30 AM

None taken, Wolvy. They're still Off-topic however WAY off they are and the Tungsten T is still Off-topic here at CLIE source. ;)

But we'll take into consideration the "Other Palm Devices" forum. No promise though ok? :)

Wolvy

01-28-2003, 04:51 AM

Thanks Fireball ... no promises ... but at least it's out there for consideration.

Medcat99

01-28-2003, 08:42 AM

I'm not sure about adding discussion groups for other PDA's. I had an m505 and I knew where to go to find the info I needed for it. This site was a lifesaver when I jumped to the NR70V. I don't think the site would be less informative, but it really is geared to Sony Clie users. I think the general forum can be very helpful for other users. If you open up a specific forum, then you might as well add one for "Other Sony Devices" as well, then people are going to want their own devices to have a forum, and on and on. If you expand to much, I'm afraid, the site will loose it's main focus. Just my opinion.....

stevec_ny

01-28-2003, 09:50 AM

What about the PalmInfocenter forums?

http://www.palminfocenter.com/forum/forum.asp?FORUM_ID=30

jimroad

01-28-2003, 10:03 AM

If make a post for TT @ Clie Forum, you'll get d**k for user response. Why are so adamant of wasting your time.

byte2be

01-28-2003, 10:28 AM

How many non-Clie PDA models are there?

This site may need to provide equal space if it's decided to allow TT in. Otherwise, there's going to be flack from the owners of Treo, Visor, Handera, Palm Mxxx, etc. And not to mention the new models...and don't forget the PCP's, OMG not the PCP's!

Visigoth

01-28-2003, 10:36 AM

Now I would imagine the software areas here would still be applicable to a TT and maybe even the forums that deal with OS5, but wouldn't one want to visit a forum that was dedicated to the TT? Like when I had a Visor, VisorCentral was the place to be for information and forums. By a strange twist of fate right when I starting looking at upgrading a off-topic post there about the opening of ClieSource brought me here and solidified by choice on the Clie. So I guess it just seems odd to me to look to a Sony Clie site about stuff for a Palm TT.

nevarDeath

01-28-2003, 10:37 AM

PCP? PPC? Anyways, we should add a zaurus forum too :D j/k

Macabre Man

01-28-2003, 10:45 AM

I love my TT to death, but I think that since its a Clie forum, it would kinda throw a wrench in the whole works.

byte2be

01-28-2003, 10:49 AM

Thanks nevarDeath. That's what I meant. I must have had a brain fart when I was writing.

RNclie

01-28-2003, 10:52 AM

The name of the forum says it all.

jedix

01-28-2003, 10:53 AM

...but a PCP section does sound interesting. (jk) What does a Clie look like while on drugs?

MrClieNR

01-28-2003, 10:53 AM

I have a Sony Ericcson T68i. How about a forum for that? It isn't a Palm device, but it is a Sony.

JK, and no disrespect intended to the advocates of the TT forum- I love the format of this site, especially since it is designed to focus discussion on Clie's. True enough, there are ALOT of way off topic threads, but they are usually in a place where you can find or, more likely, ignore them. If Sony were to abandon the PalmOS but continue making Clie's using an alternative OS this user community would persist, which is to say that this community seems to be primarily interested in Clie's and not on the PalmOS and the various handhelds that run it. Just my opinion, but I don't believe expanding this forum to include other handheld devices, whether they run Palm or otherwise, is a good idea for a site named Cliesource.

This is not meant to discourage other handheld users from visiting or contributing to this site. Just because I own a Clie doesn't mean I don't go to non-Clie specific sites or don't contribute an opinion or advice, or feel unwelcome at those sites. But when I do visit those sites I don't expect their to be a section for Clies or any other topic other than ones those forums are focussed on.

jiserrab

01-28-2003, 02:08 PM

:rolleyes:

spradlinb

01-28-2003, 02:26 PM

I already have several sections in ClieSource that I don't use and filter out just because Sony keeps releasing so many different models! Seriously though, I don't usually visit the NX, NZ, SL/SJ, N or S series sections, or the Off Topic, Clie-Linux, Medical, Developers or Videos sections... they all take up space on the ClieSource website, but at least they all deal with the "Clie" brand. If you started to add extras from other Palm OS hardware developers we would see the forum sections balloon out of all proportion in no time. It would only serve to separate the community out as well, since TT users would stop visiting the other threads as often because they have a different place to post. I'd much prefer "keeping it Clie" completely. Tungsten and Zaurus are nice, but I certainly don't want to hear about them in this forum since I, personally, don't own either of them. I'll search for a different forum if I need that.

I think people are just getting "ClieSource-envy" because we have such a wonderful board and community compared to what other hardware forums are offering these days ;) I certainly feel spoiled here when I compare it to the other (even PHP-driven) forums that I visit for other subjects! :)

Cheers.

rolando

01-28-2003, 03:23 PM

Things are already out of hand. There are too many sections to look at now. Most of the time, the questions in the T-Series section aren't specific to T-Series anyway.

On the other hand... I used to go the VisorCentral when I was a Visor owner. They had an "Other PDA" section. Plus, their "Application" section had people with all sorts of PalmOS devices posting.

It doesn't seem that there is a Palm specific web site that has the level of expertise that this one has (or VisorCentral had).

As far as being an advocate of Sony's. I am because they have the best products. But, the TT is pretty slick, too. Maybe if you changed the name of the web site to SophisticatedPalmOSPDASource.com?

Rolando

tanker_bob

01-28-2003, 04:11 PM

I personally value this board highly BECAUSE it is Clie-specific. There are lots of other boards that are more general, including the excellent PDA Avenue (http://www.pdaavenue.com/) (shameless plug). The vast majority, if not all, of us here visit other boards anyway. It's not like TT, etc., information isn't out there and readily available.

Not every board should try to be all things to all users. That rarely produces the desired result. Watering down the Source with other brands will only cause a loss of focus and destroy a uniqueness that gives it strenght--it certainly won't improve one of the best forums on the net.

I don't go to a Chinese resturaunt for good German food, nor do I look for it at Dennys, and so it is with the Source. I vote to stay Clie-centric here. Play to your strengths.

Vidge

01-28-2003, 04:28 PM

Like others have said, this is a Clie forum. I was strictly a Palm user until my NR70V purchase last May. And I visited Palm sites, not Clie sites.

Even on this board there are forums that I don't go to because either I do not have the particular model or because the topic just doesn't interest me.

At some point, the expansion of forums is going to cost the site owners enough money that they will be asking for payments from us. And while I don't mind contributing (just what will it take to get rid of that "Student Loan Consolidation" ad? :D), I would hate to see that happen.

Keep it Clie-only.

Wolvy

01-28-2003, 10:31 PM

All I said was a forum for "Other Palm Devices". That would be one forum to cover all PDA's. This could also include other Sony devices too. It would not mean an extra 20 forums ... just one and NOT 'Off topic".

Anyway, I will still come to ClieSource even if I get rid of my Clie ... as I find it an invaluable source of information on Apps ... and I always feel it's good to make comparisons with other brands. How else do you get the best of both worlds. I'm sure that many a feature request for software or hardware has come from looking at other devices ... including the current Clie's.

Let's not get too heated guys... its a 'request'.

SamuraiCatJB

01-28-2003, 10:43 PM

its not heated.... the warmth in the pool came from... uh... never mind.... try not to think about it.... :eek:

Now we could always have a "dream Clie" forum, to constantly place ideas on new hardware (even it is saying, "everything the TT has") and invite Sony to read... not that they would... but hey. :D

Wolvy

01-28-2003, 10:54 PM

Originally posted by SamuraiCatJB
its not heated.... the warmth in the pool came from... uh... never mind.... try not to think about it.... :eek:

Now we could always have a "dream Clie" forum, to constantly place ideas on new hardware (even it is saying, "everything the TT has") and invite Sony to read... not that they would... but hey. :D

:cool:

buckethead

01-29-2003, 12:00 AM

agree that it to be a purely clie forum, but it all depends on the admins. even if 90% of the members say "NO" but out of the blue one of the admin got himself a TT and decide to open a room for it.......

Wolvy

01-29-2003, 12:12 AM

Originally posted by buckethead
agree that it to be a purely clie forum, but it all depends on the admins. even if 90% of the members say "NO" but out of the blue one of the admin got himself a TT and decide to open a room for it.......

Well all I can say is that my experience of the Mods is that they listen and are usually pretty fair in their actions. Even if I don't agree with the results, at the end of the day someone has to make a decision and it's not going to suit all of us all of the time.

kstuart

01-29-2003, 01:41 AM

Why not a Toshiba Laptop Forum, too ??

Wolvy

01-29-2003, 02:13 AM

Perhaps because it does not operate on the Palm OS!!!

yorrick

01-29-2003, 02:41 AM

Generally speaking, there is functionality which ClieSource has addressed which can't be found anywhere else because it is a Sony Clie.

Palm Tungsten and M series are well documented in their main websites but Sony CLIE users have tended to scrounge all over the world for bits of software to make use of all the features (such as 320x320 or 480x320 screens).

ClieSource is a source (or resource) for anything Sony Clie.

Perhaps it is an aspect that ClieSource is maturing and reputation growing in that Tungsten and other Palm OS users are visiting ClieSource to get some of their questions answered. It may be worth debating and considering whether to expand to other Palm OS devices and take on OS5 issues too.

Keeping this website specifically CLIE at this juncture can give the perception that we are "elitist" or "niche group". Whilst expanding the platforms that can be discussed can dilute the quality of discussion and support.

Personally, I don't mind seeing ClieSource spread it's wings and take on OS5 device issues. I consider this forum a wonderful resource to tap into, there are some guys around here that have been exceptionally helpful (such as TankerBob, OcellNuri, tbellas and SamuraiCatJB to name a few) in the technical areas.

sindu

01-29-2003, 04:24 AM

Cliesource.com is for Clie only and the focus is what make me comeback all the time and the members here are mature and helpful. As other has put it, the present form already has too many sections and to add a non Clie would dilute the quality of this forum. As Tanker puts it, the focus give the strength. To be honest, i never believe that I post so many comment on this forum, something I never done before.

Wolvy

01-29-2003, 04:51 AM

Mmmm ... so one forum for all other Palm devices would change the whole feel of CleSource? I don't think so ... all we are talking about here is one forum, not changing it to PalmSource or anything like that.

Just thought it would be good to be 'well informed' on other Palm devices without having to scour the net on all the other sites.

I already visit other sites ... but a 'little' bit of integration would not go wrong.

What about ... this is a site for Clie users ... BUT there is also a 'small forum' for those members who ALSO have other devices and want to discuss / compare issues or software.

MrClieNR

01-29-2003, 08:29 AM

The focus of this site is on Clie's, not the PalmOS or the other devices that run it. Clie's happen to run the PalmOS now, but that may not always be the case. If the subject is OS related, there are already forums in here that address applications, games, music... The Cliesource administrators have been kind enough to post a variety of links to other Palm/technology related sites that cater to the needs of anyone looking for more detailed information about the PalmOS or other handhelds. That alone should keep most users from having to "scour" the net.

This site should continue to maintain it's focus on Clie's. Other users are welcome, but Cliesource should not have to tailor itself to their needs.

Psikotic

01-29-2003, 02:21 PM

*Climbing up on a soapbox*

While I don't particularly care whether another forum is added, it does bother me that there are comments about 'other' users and 'our' community. What asinine attitudes. All of the posts made by those who now own a TT, had previously owned a Clie and were a part of the Cliesource community, some even longer than those that are currently making posts about the 'community'.

That other Palm users ruin things, are immature and would affect the quality of these boards is absurd. This 'better than you because I have a Clie' attitude reminds me of the PPC owners that you guys are always complaining about.

And as for belief that a TT forum would just be more useless info to sift through. More useless than what? Another post about how the NZ90 is a brick? Or how about another post wishing for an OS5 device in a T form factor? Please...

Don't get me wrong. I love Clie's and I love this site. That is probably why this 'Clie attitude' bothers me so much.

*Getting off the soapbox*

By the way, I currently own an NR70V and a TT and have previously owned a IIIx, S230, Prism, M505 and a T615 so have had my share of Clie's.

yOyOYoo

01-29-2003, 02:34 PM

How about add a new forum called: "Other Palm OS Devices" and just stuff any TT, Zaurus, palm, handspring, treo, pocket pc comments in there.

timewaster77

01-29-2003, 04:41 PM

Here is my proposal:

I do not want to have anymore forums than we already have, so how about we combine the NX and NZ forums (since they are incredibly similiar hardwarewise) and add a Other Gadgets Section. This could include PDAs, Cell Phones and anything else that is a gadget. This would be a balance between posting in a normal thread and posting in Off-Topic

Just my suggestion:)

dúnadan

01-29-2003, 05:04 PM

i like cliesource, and i got rid of my clies for a T|T, but i don't think it makes any sense to have a non-clie forum here at cliesource. personally, i think the best tt forum is at brighthand.

NJL!2016

01-29-2003, 05:25 PM

Why? The Tungsten T is not a CLIE. There's plenty of forums about the TT eleswhere.

Wolvy

01-29-2003, 10:17 PM

Originally posted by yOyOYoo
How about add a new forum called: "Other Palm OS Devices" and just stuff any TT, Zaurus, palm, handspring, treo, pocket pc comments in there.

Sounds good to me.

I agree that there are other websites which have specific forums for the TT ... like Brighthand for instance. I also agree that the focus of ClieSource should be the Clie. What I also disagree with is this attitude that some people are putting across ... if you are not a Clie user ... well go elsewhere. I AM a Clie user AND I am a TT user.

What's that saying ... "Variety is the spice of life". Maybe it's because I'm Scottish and have been living abroad (India) for the last 7 years that I see it from a different angle. When I go back home (UK) there is an attitude of nothing else exists outside of the UK. I have heard the same thing said from many of our other friends from the US, Sweden, Germany etc etc. Here we have to learn to integrate, not only with locals but with people from different countries with varied customs and outlook on life. We can't afford to all say ... "You are not part of our group".

Maybe we should be more mindful of 'other' peoples views and opinions and not be so single minded ... QUOTE "Other users are welcome, but Cliesource should not have to tailor itself to their needs" Their needs? We are all one big community, are we not.

Maintain the focus (Clie) ... but be mindful of others.

OK ... off my soapbox now and waiting for the flames!!

sindu

01-29-2003, 11:50 PM

The internet itself is a big community....the worry here is if we don't put a limit on the section, the uniqueness of Cliesourse is diluted and would lose appeal....I fully agree with you Wolvy that we should integrate with other cultures and I have been raised in multiculture environment myself. But this is not the point here. The sticky point for lots of members who advocate to "Clie" only is the dilution of uniqueness and the quality of members.

Wolvy

01-30-2003, 12:29 AM

I beg to differ sindu ... we are not talking about drastic changes to the way that the whole site is perceived, it's content or it's uniqueness ... we are talking about one small forum. Let's not loose track of what has been requested. It's not an earth shattering change that will stop Clie members coming onto the site.

With regard to the "Quality of Members" ... is that not getting back to an eliteist attitude. I can't see where being a Clie owner suddenly makes that person better than someone who owns another device. I go to a variety of sites for PDA forums and whilst I think ClieSource is great ... I don't see where it makes the members any more special than others.

sindu

01-30-2003, 12:35 AM

Wolvy,

"Quality of Member"...What I mean is that the quality of the member in this forum is better than other forum that I had joined or I had experienced. The members here do help each other and I don't see lots of fighting and insult... Just clarification and nothing else.

MrClieNR

01-30-2003, 12:37 AM

Hey Wolvy, did all that multi-culturalism teach how to relax? RELAX! No one is trying to kick you off the internet for using a TT, least of all me. And I certainly didn't suggest that if you don't own a Clie you should go elsewhere. If you're going to accuse people of being closed minded for wanting to preserve the integrity of an awesome site then you should be open minded enough to realize that not every site you are going to visit is going to be custom tailored to your specific whims.

As it turns out, I also have a bunch of devices that aren't Clie's. I even have a PocketPC, and comparisons between PocketPC's and Clie's have been the topic of discussions here before. This doesn't merit a new forum about PocketPC's at a site named Cliesource. I also use my Clie with a cell phone, but once again I wouldn't propose that a forum about cell phone's be established on a site that specializes in one particular type of PDA. There are plenty of forums on those subjects elsewhere on the internet, but none with the sense of community that exists here at Cliesource.

I expect this to be my last post on the subject; I remain of the opinion that this site should remain focused on Clie's. This doesn't mean that I think other handheld users are inferior or something, and it doesn't mean that I believe that non-Clie owners should be excluded from this site. I never made that statement and I resent that it should be so implied by those who are advocating thier cause. I simply believe that the design of this site has been successful in focussing the discussions, to the degree that they can be focused, on matters pertaining to Clie's and that this has been the strength of the site.

sindu

01-30-2003, 12:56 AM

MrClieNR,

I think you pretty much sum up how we feel about Cliesource...Bravo.

Wolvy

01-30-2003, 01:26 AM

Hey MrClieNR ... just shifted to relax mode!

Didn't say anyone was trying to kick me out of anywhere ... was just trying to make a point. I'm also not accusing anyone of being 'close minded' ... well not anyone on the forums that is ... just trying to ask people to consider being bit more liberal in their outlook.

I agree it's an awesome site but for the life of me can't see how a another forum affects the integrity of the site and it's members?

I also don't want to get dragged into a debate over which devices should have their own forums on ClieSource. I 'requested' it to be considered we have ONE forum to cover "Other Palm devices" ... or something like that which covers all other gadgets etc.

I'm sure that most of us don't go to ALL the forums ... in fact I'm sure the majority have a select few that they check regulary. Therefore I'm sure that the integrity of the site would not be adversly affected by another forum (whatever it's called!) ... just don't go there if it's not particulary for you.

Peace!

Unregistered

01-30-2003, 02:34 AM

Hi Wolvy. I saw you at PDABu**.com how bout your TT experience? I bought mine yesterday. The section about TT shouldn't be here. We can post anything on Off Topic right? That may be a better way.

Wolvy

01-30-2003, 03:23 AM

Thanks Unregistered ... nice comments ... whoever you are!

gfunkmagic

01-30-2003, 10:57 AM

Just to add my .02 cents here... I think cliesource is a great site!! It very refreshing to come here and I find that the regulars here are very informed and friendly when compared to other sites. I personally don't own a clie but love to read and occasionally post when I have something to add. My regular hangouts are PIC and treocentral primarily b/c I'm a Treo 300 user. However, I really love the new SJ33 and am very interested in that device. As far as the issue of adding non-clie specific forums here, I think thats up to the majority of members or to the admin. Also I don't totally agree with the assertion that Sony would ever drop PalmOS on its Clies, and thus this site is Clie -specific regardless of the OS. Sony has invested alot into PalmOS and its b/c of Sony IMHO that the PalmOS has been able to survive against competition from PPC (i.e I would recall to everyone Sony's $20 million dollar investment into PalmSource). Thus Sony has deeply influenced the entire PalmOS industry which is a good thing indeed. I think there is alot of overlap between T|T and Clie discussions that might be helpful to alot of users here. For example, I think once users get their hands on the NZ90, there's gonna be lots of questions about BT connections via theri t68i and etc which has already been delved into deeply by lots of T|T users. It just another source of info that can be tapped by users here if they want. Of course you could just go over to PIC, but you wouldn't have the same regulars there , except me of course!! :)