View Full Version : Decuma Latin works on the NX70V
Unregistered
06-26-2003, 10:51 PM
Just for the hell of it I went down to Fry's and purchased an NX73. The ones at Fry's are black with no bluetooth. I wanted to check out Decuma mostly...and I was impressed (as a toy anyway). I heard that Sony was selling Decuma Japaneese for the Clie NX70V for some amount so I thought I'd take a look and see if Decuma Latin would work on the NX70V. In about 5 minutes I was able to move Decuma to the NX70V. After a soft reset, I was able to go to the silk plugin app and change it to Decuma (Decuma Input to be exact). It works exactly the same. Even the app that lets you set up shortcuts and stuff worked. I'm a registered clie source user but I'm posting this as unregistered because I don't want to be inundated with "Please send me the files" requests. I do not condone taking software (any of it) off one unit (you don't own) and putting it on another. I'm sure industrious users will have no problem finding the binaries elsewhere (in light of the recent CF threads, you may even find the binaries here). Anyway I'll probably be taking the NX73 back. I can't justify paying $500 for decuma (I'll also be removing decuma from my NX70V since I didn't pay for it now that I'm taking the 73 back).
n2ifp
06-26-2003, 11:36 PM
Right, but you know it won't last long before it's all over the place. Just take a look at the CF Drivers already. BTW, it seems that ClieSource is condoning it.
I am sure someone won't even buy the NX73, they'll just go to the store with memory stick in hand.
ayasin
06-27-2003, 01:12 AM
Since Sony is offering the Japanese version of Decuma for sale seperately, one might reasonably assume they will do the same for the Latin version. If that's the case then you could try it in the store...if you like it, buy it from Sony. I'm sure you're right though Larry...there will be the crowd that would go to the store with an MS and just take it.
aithir
06-27-2003, 03:18 AM
Just out of curiosity how do you install decuma to the nx70?
clie_wannabe
06-27-2003, 05:18 AM
does Decuma have any problems with Netfront while on the NX70?
here in SonyStyle-Japan, it is said that there are seeming incompatibilities between it and Decuma; and that is why im hesitant on purchasing the software-only... and just go straight to the NX80...
well, you'd be surprised at how many applilations from the NX73 would work on the NX70, Clie_wanabe! :D
decuma works flawlessly on my nx70v, so does the new netfonts 1.1.47.:p
I'm actually quite thrilled right now as I connect via wireless in Starbucks with my clie sitting on the sofa & being able to post in Cliesource! :D
does anyone know what version of netfront is on the TG50 ?
skccs
06-27-2003, 06:06 AM
Originally posted by Eddy
well, you'd be surprised at how many applilations from the NX73 would work on the NX70, Clie_wanabe! :D
decuma works flawlessly on my nx70v, so does the new netfonts 1.1.47.:p
What is netfonts? Does it have to do with fonts?
skccs
06-27-2003, 06:11 AM
Originally posted by Unregistered
I'm a registered clie source user but I'm posting this as unregistered because I don't want to be inundated with "Please send me the files" requests. I do not condone taking software (any of it) off one unit (you don't own) and putting it on another. I'm sure industrious users will have no problem finding the binaries elsewhere (in light of the recent CF threads, you may even find the binaries here). Anyway I'll probably be taking the NX73 back. I can't justify paying $500 for decuma (I'll also be removing decuma from my NX70V since I didn't pay for it now that I'm taking the 73 back).
Well this discussion has beed held before. Don't missunderstand me (i developed software myself but not on pda's) I clearly don't support software-piracy. But how about software which is not sold! Picseviever is sold in Japan since many months but not in europe or usa. The same now with decuma. Netfront can't be bought at all!
Do you really suggest, that I have to buy a new handheld every 3 months? In october I got my nx70v. When I wanted to open unconverted office-email-attachements I had to buy the nz90 a few months later and now for a better handwriting recognition I have to buy a new nx73v??? Are they crazy at sony? Theyr pda's are nearly as costly as a notebook. Did you ever think about getting a new desktop-pc to get a special application which is not sold seperately??
PS: Do I have to delete Documents-To-Go which came with my NX70V and is missing on my NZ90?
jackho
06-27-2003, 09:03 AM
Eddy, typing mistake... It should be Netfront.. You are too excited with the new Netfront? :D
Actually, Sony is different in JP and other places. Sony JP offers free update for Netfront (1.1.35), Flash Player long time ago but not available in other region.
I can see CLIE is close to VAIO, software bundled is the main selling point.
skccs
06-27-2003, 09:32 AM
So does netfront 1.1.47 have major improvements over its previous versions (can they fix the page to large errors! If they reserved 4 of the 16 MB of RAM for applications purposes, why doesnt netfront make use of it).
skccs
06-27-2003, 09:34 AM
Originally posted by jackho
Actually, Sony is different in JP and other places. Sony JP offers free update for Netfront (1.1.35), Flash Player long time ago but not available in other region.
I can see CLIE is close to VAIO, software bundled is the main selling point.
Well I have no problem to spend about 20 - 30 usd for these apps, but they are not sold for the us or european models, yet.
If you like to prevent piracy and have these apps for sale in japan, sony, why don't you get them out in europe or usa prior to selling new devices.
MarieC
06-27-2003, 11:23 AM
I wouldn't mind even if it were after the release of the new devices, as long as we get them.
Really, this kind of mentality disappoints me a great deal.
And if Palm keeps on making such good machines as the newer models, I'll take a hard look considering going back ton Palm devices...
Originally posted by skccs
So does netfront 1.1.47 have major improvements over its previous versions (can they fix the page to large errors! If they reserved 4 of the 16 MB of RAM for applications purposes, why doesnt netfront make use of it).
Only slight improvements, too minor that you might not even notice, the same error still occurs... "Page too large to display" (but added a little enhancement to switch/swap between MS & CF with the bookmarks and others...)
Sony did add the Netfront & PicselViewer into the new NX73/80 internal ROM.
Oh by the way, thanks Jack! :D
I always have typing mistakes, heheh
Anybody has comparison to TealScript? What is this breakthrough in PDA technology that it makes everybody willing to offer theire email address??
Badandy
06-27-2003, 04:32 PM
Hey Eddy. Do you think you maybe could email decuma software too
steeler2288(at)msn.com
Please replace (at) with @
Thanks for your generosity if you send it, and your generosity for posting your experiences anyway!
hansschmucker
06-27-2003, 04:59 PM
I can host them at http://hansschmucker.free.fr/clie
hansschmucker@e-garfield.com
hans comes to the rescue! :D
Badandy
06-27-2003, 05:42 PM
o wait, you have the japanese version. is there a latin version that it comes wiht eddy?
YES, that's why, I have a Japanese version, finally somebody that realize why it wouldn't work on the English OS CLIEs.... It will generate wierd characters on your CLIE, but it will still run I suppose for the English part.
Thanks for the clarification there Badandy.
Instead I think the target should be at the Latin version! :)
but the files are already with hans perhaps he can do some translation work. Or does it still work? Where's the Original poster with the Latin Version?
hansschmucker
06-27-2003, 05:51 PM
Eddy, I got your ZIP, but it only contained 2 files, seems like the actual plugins are missing, so I've sent you another mail with a list...
abosco
06-27-2003, 05:57 PM
Quick Q for people who have seen the NX73 in stores. What version of NetFront is it running? Is it 1.1.35?
Another Q for someone that may be on the inside - is it that hard to give an option in NetFront Settings as to how much Dynamic RAM or Storage RAM you can allocate to page loads in NetFront? NetFront 3.0 is an amazing browser, BUT THESE PAGES ARE NOT TOO LARGE!
Is that another trick question like the original unregistered poster? :p
running 1.1.47
can't answer the second one...
perhaps hans will do some translation decoding then have a full english ver. up on his site. *hint*
abosco
06-27-2003, 06:09 PM
Ah, thanks. Now if only Access would stop making small updates and fix the only complaint with NetFront!
hansschmucker
06-27-2003, 06:10 PM
Now, you can find Eddy's Japanese version here:
http://hansschmucker.free.fr/clie/Decuma(JP)%20Thanx%20to%20Eddy/
However, it doesn't seem to work on non-japanese machines... bad luck...
ayasin
06-27-2003, 07:35 PM
It's kind of sad that the person who started this thread wanted to NOT distribute the files and now this thread has just become a place for people to try to exchange them. BTW the Japanese version of Decuma is being sold by Sony (I'm sure that the guys who came up with it are getting a royalty) so please don't distribute these files.
jackho
06-28-2003, 02:35 AM
For the 'Page too large' problems, you can try to use zoom, after zoom in and out (back to normal size), you can see all graphics there...
hansschmucker
06-28-2003, 03:12 AM
Oh... I have to admit that I didn't think of that. I was looking at it from a European perspective. Namely, that the odds are about 99 to 1 that we won't be able to buy decuma, EVER!
So, I've taken the Japanese version down. Sorry guys. However, I still think that distributing DecumaLatin would be allright as long as there's no official way to obtain it (without an NX73)
LSAlford
06-28-2003, 10:31 AM
Originally posted by skccs
Do you really suggest, that I have to buy a new handheld every 3 months? In october I got my nx70v. When I wanted to open unconverted office-email-attachements I had to buy the nz90 a few months later and now for a better handwriting recognition I have to buy a new nx73v??? Are they crazy at sony? Theyr pda's are nearly as costly as a notebook. Did you ever think about getting a new desktop-pc to get a special application which is not sold seperately??
I don't think anyone is suggesting that you buy a new handheld. I think that they are suggesting that if you want software that is not for sale (i.e. bundled only), you can't have it unless you are willing to steal it.
hansschmucker
06-28-2003, 10:49 AM
From a legal point of view: Definately, 100%
However using a realistic approach: Not quite
Badandy
06-28-2003, 11:40 AM
hansschmucker-
I just figured out your signature. I misunderstood. It is NOTHING negative that George Bush said.
What he was saying is that from a logical standpoint, he shouldnt have won because he was running against an incumbent VP, an economy that was doing pretty well under that incumbent party, and a party that peace during that time.
I always thought it was a negative thing against President Bush, but now it is just a normal statement. It is not like he doesnt want a good economy, and doesnt want peace, he is just saying he won with all of those things happening under the incumbent party.
:)
no problem with your signature now lol
hansschmucker
06-28-2003, 11:48 AM
Now I'm confused. I though incumbency meant 'been in buisness for a long time'. I better go look it up.
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Hey, I was right.... so ... andy .... what the heck do you mean?
skccs
06-28-2003, 12:19 PM
Originally posted by LSAlford
I don't think anyone is suggesting that you buy a new handheld. I think that they are suggesting that if you want software that is not for sale (i.e. bundled only), you can't have it unless you are willing to steal it.
haha, LSAlford, I agree with you.
But I really think when sony is able to produce new hardware (nx73/nx80) and sell them using theyr existing sonystyle website (create new webpages) they can even easier put the existing european and us-sofware which comes bundled with their devices (like decuma) on theyr website for download and sale. If they wanted to! I don't see why it works for japan and not for europe and usa.
I even would pay something like for ex. 70.-- usd for a full os upgrade where all these system-patches and ms-pro-patch uso. which I had to put in RAM, are afterwards in rom and I get the latest versions of cf-driver, data-import, picsel-viever, netfront and also decuma.
Badandy
06-28-2003, 04:25 PM
lol
I belive (at least in the US) that incumbent means the current party (or group) that is in the white house.
He is saying that it is very hard (which it is) to win against someone who was in the party that brought peace and prosperity to america.
I completely get your signature now.
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I support the United States Military
hansschmucker
06-28-2003, 04:30 PM
So... I still don't get how somebody couldn't interpret it in a pro-Bush sense?
He says that he has won eventhough he knows that he doesn't deserve it. If this is obvious to a fool like him, how obvious must it be to everybody else? It was a sad day for the American public.
evangel
06-28-2003, 05:02 PM
Originally posted by hansschmucker
So... I still don't get how somebody couldn't interpret it in a pro-Bush sense?
Without this turning into a full-blown political debate, strictly from a semantical sense, it could be interpreted in a pro-Bush sense. It could be taken to mean, "I am so strong of a candidate, that even though the sitting party had no real problems to deal with, I STILL was able to beat them." The fact that you change the color of the font to red for the word "against" though, makes it hard to miss your interpretation of the quote, though.
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