Tungsten C or NX70?

[MacTavish]

Prices are about the same, but the Clie has a bigger screen and thus a bigger form factor. The kb on the C has a little better feel. The NX has a camera (not great, but usable in certain situ-s) and an MP3 player. WiFi can be added to the NX and it still is around the same price. WiFi is built in the C. The Palm is twice as fast, but for what it’s used for, dunno if that makes a dif. Palm has more “available” RAM. Palm is a trifle lighter. The NX “own” software integration is better.

[mike808]

I'm in the same "moral" dilemma. My old Visor is on the way out, and I'm trying to decide on the replacement.

I think the coming clie nx-80 is going to win out, as I really want the larger screen / virtual graffiti. I wish the 'C' had VG instead of the thumbboard...but that's another thread/discussion board.

FYI, MP3 on the NX-70 isn't all that it's cracked up to be. There are numerous threads about the shortcomings of the player i.e. no vbr support. Because Sony uses proprietary API's 3rd party player apps don't work at this time.

3rd party apps like Pocket Tunes work great on the C albeit in mono(???). I guess it all depends on what you listen to, and how good your ear is.

Don't know if I've helped at all.

That's my 2 cents.

[Crewcab]

the nx70 has the jog dial that is better than the nav button on the c the cambra on the nx70v is not that bad

[nx70]

If you added Wi-Fi to NX you pay extra bucks!
The NX has a more natural color table.
The TC is mono!
The TC workswith Wi-Fi for hours( according to a reputed magazine up to 11hours at once!! The NX gives up after 3hours).
The TC has more processing power.
Is ready for Palm OS 6..
Will never have Bluetooth.
Plays no MPEG, but the NX only lasts for two hours in movie mode.

TC Isn't as much a status symbol than the NX.
Will never be good looking.
Has not a Magnesium shell.

[MacTavish]

mono is useless to me, as I make my living in audio, I couldn’t take that. But by the same token, I’m buying myself a new portable CD. So MP3 isn’t that big a deal. Maybe the occasional convenience. Didn’t know about the vbr part. Although, I’d probably transfer at fixed rates. Does the NX mix and match rates? Say 128 and 256?
I thought the TC had a graffiti area too.
The jog dial is a much better implimentation from what I experienced yesterday at CompUSA.
The WiFi card is included in my price comparisons. Though as I remember, the card sticks out from the back. Does this affect the “closure”?
Dunno what Palm 6 will mean to me. Don’t car about bluetooth at this point.
As far as looks and status, don’t care. I need a device to count on. My Palm IIIe is starting to hurt.
What does the NX80 have that the 70 doesn’t?

[mike808]

can't speak too well about the mp3 restrictions. My current visor doesn't do music, and my only experience is from the various messages here, and from friends making comments about "I wish I could get a different audio player". If you did a search, there have been numerous discussions on this...

The TC doesn't have a hard graffiti area any longer. In 5.2 the old graffiti has gone away, and been replaced with a version of jot (I forget what Palm calls it, but it's Jot). The characters have changed slightly, and you can write anywhere on the screen. Plus you have the thumbboard/keyboard.

Jog dial is definately superior to the d-pad IMO.

NX-80 / NX-70: Not many changes -- wouldn't have enticed me to upgrade from a NX-70, but worth waiting another few weeks to get...better camera (1.3 vs .3), more usable memory (16 MB vs 11), 4 buttons in tablet mode. Some of the apps i.e. netfront are now stored in ROM. I think that's it.

Hope it helps.

[tonyreynolds]

Originally posted by MacTavish
What does the NX80 have that the 70 doesn’t?

There are other threads that possibly shed more light on the differences, but off the top of my head they are:

- Better camera: 1.3 MP (1280x960) instead of 0.30 MP (640x480)
- Color: NX80 is silver, NX73 is charcoal
- Memory: NX80 has 32MB RAM/32MB ROM, NX73 has 32/16
- NX80 list is US$100 more than NX73: $599 vs $499

All else is the same AFAIK...

In Europe only: NX73 comes with BlueTooth. Europe will not get the NX80.

Tony

[tonyreynolds]

Sorry, I misread your post. You meant the differences between the NX70 and the NX80, not the NX73 and NX80...

Except for the "retracting" CF slot and the ability to use CF cards for 'some' memory functions out-of-the-box, the differences mentioned are essentially correct.

I also believe that the newer NX's don't come standard with Documents to Go.

Tony

[Twin_Pixel]

The Tungsten C is nothing of interest, in my opinion, since it lacks stereo sound support and can thus not be used as an MP3 player.

[MacTavish]

“more usable memory (16 MB vs 11)“
you’re referring to built in mem as compared to a stick?
If I add a stick that would make the difference of no real concern?

[nx70]

Yeah, here we go. If you use ZLauncher for instants it adds MemoryStick support so good integrated, you can even sync from MS.
Okay, PowerRun and others do this as well, but ZLauncher is cheaper and is a Launcher as well. And for me- being someone not loving hardresets- it is more secure. PowerRun is stable though.
The main reason for me is the longer battery life, if buying a NX80 or 73. They will have a CPU with better powermanagement.

MP3:
It takes everything from 96kHz to 320kHz.
Don't be too concerned with that. Longer battery life is maybe more important??

[rolands]

Just before purchasing my NX70 two weeks ago, my choices came down to these two PDAs -- NX70 and Tungsten C.

I paid around $350 for my NX70 and will have to shell out another $100 for the Wi-fi card putting it around $450. The TC runs around $450-$500 and includes Wi-fi.

The other factor (which is probably trivial for most of you) is that I put my PDA in my front pocket. This means I need something hard that covers the screen (i.e. hardshell case). The NX70 has one built-in -- it's clamshell design. I would have to pay another $30 for a case for the TC.

Hi-Res+ -- I absolutely love it! Photos look incredible. Agendus works very nicely with this resolution.

Keyboard -- I could take it or leave it. I never use it because I prefer Jot (aka Graffiti 2).

Camera -- Prior to buying my NX70, I looked at the NX60, but they were sold out. I originally told myself that I didn't need the camera. I guess I still don't need it, but it's fun to play around with it. It is nice to have. Pictures aren't that great, but I have a nice digital camera anyways.

External memory -- MemoryStick is the most expensive of flash media per megabyte. It's stupid that Sony put the CF slot only for it's proprietary PEGA-WL100 Wi-fi card. They should have just put two MS slots and created a Wi-fi MemoryStick adapter. Then, users can either put two MS media or one MS media and one MS Wi-fi.

After two weeks, I'm very happy with my NX70. I had some digitizer mis-calibration issues which has been resolved.

Hope my two-cents help.

[breakfastchef]

My only comment is the TC has an unbelievable screen and rich color. I compared it side-by-side with TG, NZ and NX series Clie and the TC was much, much better. The Wi-Fi worked flawlessly and was very quick.

P.S. I am still being lured to the NX80 even without Docs To Go. I will buy it and in eight months Sony will release a multimedia unit to match the TC specs and I will be crushed.

[MacTavish]

I forgot about the case issue. That is another point.

[orol]

> External memory -- MemoryStick is the most expensive of flash media per megabyte.

actually it's not true any longer .. well except for CF cards ..
look at the prices of 256mb MS pro, they cost about the same compared to 256MB SD ..
not to mention a 512MB ms pro is almost $100 chaeper compared to 512SD ..

and for nearly $400 you can get a 1GB MS pro ..
and hey look where is the 1GB SD ? simple in the development
okey I know that for $200 you can get a 1GB CF but that is another story ..

to MacTavish: the mono output isn't that bad I mean it's just fine unless you are hifi maniac (but in that case is even the clie stereo output kinda pathetic and you would stick to a DAT walkman anyway)

If you buy a nokia headset (HDD-1) for a couple of bucks it will be just fine .. you will barely recoginze the difference ..
or at least to me it doesn't make any difference if listen to a mono over this headest or my minidisc .. not to mention my old classic cassette walkman ..