Might as well buy a Vaio

[nx70vboy]

...or something else. seriously, for $1300 canadian, i could get a brand new dell laptop with more bells and whistles than a clie will ever have....minus the camera. but if you have all these tech goodies already, you really ought to question yourself, how come you don't already have a digital camera.

the thing's just about as fat as a laptop...lol

[Shogmaster]

Leave this dead horse alone already.

No need to start a new freakin thread for this tired topic either.

[Jeff146]

Ok first off portability ... can you always carry your dell notebook around!!

I don't think so!

Second
Show me where you can get a dell laptop with whistles like you said at $1300

I don't think so!

So if you don't like it it's as simple as not buying the damn thing

Please don't exaggerate, or at least make it a little more reasonable!

[arinvolvo]

I own a viao...i love it. ;)

[atomicCLIE]

Originally posted by Jeff146
Ok first off portability ... can you always carry your dell notebook around!!

I don't think so!

You would seriously lug the NZ in your pocket? You better have a damn trench coat or something... Who would want to carry the NZ around everywhere?

[Jeff146]

well ... I never said pocket

Of course you can hold it in your hands or something
It sure beats carrying a laptop!

[atomicCLIE]

Originally posted by Jeff146
well ... I never said pocket

Of course you can hold it in your hands or something
It sure beats carrying a laptop!

Ok, you hold it in your hand... but then you drop it... hmm... that would sure suck.

[Jeff146]

umm have you heard of a case like the one they have at Sonystyle.com

[Unregistered]

Originally posted by Jeff146
umm have you heard of a case like the one they have at Sonystyle.com

Do you really think a leather case will absorb all of the damage?

[Jeff146]

first off I don't think it's leather... from the looks of it, it looks pretty padded so I think it will absorb the damage

[Jeffry]

Originally posted by arinvolvo
viao

You never learn do you? :D I'm going to pick on you again next time if you spell it wrong.

[Jeffry]

BTW... There's not many choices in Canada when it comes to PDAs....

We only get the high-end CLIEs and the crappiest accessories. Plus, Sony always gets the new models on the U.S. first before shipping it to Canada.

[Jeff146]

Yes I agree we are almost always the last for everything but I think we're always last because there probably is more demand in the states

AND
another thing why is it cheaper in the U.S. we have to pay like 100 dollars CAD more ... what for? the shipping?

DAMN we always get the short end of the stick!

[n2ifp]

Originally posted by arinvolvo
I own a viao...i love it. ;)

Me too, the NVR23 VAIO was cheaper than the price of a NZ90 and a 1gb stick. It even includes a 10 key pad and sub-woofer!

[herpalm]

Is the vaio picturebook discontinued?

[Unregistered]

Why don't you guys buy THREE OR FOUR PII 266 Desktops which got more CPU power, more HDD, more memory but cheaper than ONE NZ 90?

Why don't you try to put them ALL in your pocket (Or in your bag) and carry around? You can even hook up these desktops to establish a mini-LAN?! HAHA

Yeah, you sure can get your Vaio or Dell desktop with the price of NZ90. But who want to bring his desktop or Vaio into restroom watching e-book whiling he is "pooing"?

OR who want to calculate the tip and take a picture of the beautiful waitress with his desktop or vaio?

Yeah, people as smart as you, they sure can power up their vaio, open their POWERFUL excel spreadsheet, calculate the tip, open the image capture software, and use the MEPG1/2 camera to capture the BEST image. Do you ever see that? Well, so far I didn't see any SMART guy do such a SMART thing.

[Unregistered]

The question is simple.

DON'T Compare the chicken with the cow. THEY ARE DIFFERENT!

You don't like the price then DON'T BUY iT!
You don't like the design then DON'T BUY IT!
You don't have the money then DON'T BUY IT!

But you DON'T have the right to judge or challenge people who love this machine. This only makes you guys look enviously.

[Unregistered]

That's what I'm trying to say man!

[nx70vboy]

Leave this dead horse alone already.

No need to start a new freakin thread for this tired topic either.

then dont read this thread and don't come in....read something else.

[nx70vboy]

Ok first off portability ... can you always carry your dell notebook around!!

I don't think so!

Second
Show me where you can get a dell laptop with whistles like you said at $1300

I don't think so!

So if you don't like it it's as simple as not buying the damn thing

Please don't exaggerate, or at least make it a little more reasonable!

if you've seen how fat the NZ is...i wouldn't talk about portability. the NZ is not portable. It's small but I wouldn't call it portable. I'm having enough trouble with the NX so don't get me started.

if you knew anything about dell laptops, then you would have gone to www.dell.ca to check out their deals. they have in the past sold $1300 laptops. brand new, not refurbished. so you lose again.
secondly, i never said a new laptop. you can easily purchase an older model laptop still with more power than an NZ for under the price of an NZ.

please kindly pass thoughts through your mind and research a bit before you go flamming people.

[nx70vboy]

first off I don't think it's leather... from the looks of it, it looks pretty padded so I think it will absorb the damage

Jeff, you're naive to say that a case can absorb damage from a drop. Only if that were true, I wouldn't have a crack on my NX. Sadly, it only fell less than half a meter from the ground.

[nx70vboy]

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Originally posted by arinvolvo
I own a viao...i love it.
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Me too, the NVR23 VAIO was cheaper than the price of a NZ90 and a 1gb stick. It even includes a 10 key pad and sub-woofer![/quote]

....there you go.

[peterh]

I already have a dell laptop costing £1800, so tell me why I need a vaio?

[Jeff146]

Originally posted by nx70vboy


Jeff, you're naive to say that a case can absorb damage from a drop. Only if that were true, I wouldn't have a crack on my NX. Sadly, it only fell less than half a meter from the ground.

Umm what kind of case did you have?
Of course a leather case would not absorb damage

Did you even look at the case for the NZ90, it has a zipper and it's made out of nylon ... from the looks of the pic the case is for sure absorb more shock then a leather case!

[Jeff146]

Originally posted by nx70vboy


if you've seen how fat the NZ is...i wouldn't talk about portability. the NZ is not portable. It's small but I wouldn't call it portable. I'm having enough trouble with the NX so don't get me started.

if you knew anything about dell laptops, then you would have gone to www.dell.ca to check out their deals. they have in the past sold $1300 laptops. brand new, not refurbished. so you lose again.
secondly, i never said a new laptop. you can easily purchase an older model laptop still with more power than an NZ for under the price of an NZ.

please kindly pass thoughts through your mind and research a bit before you go flamming people.

Well first off it's still more portable then a laptop and you can't argue about that ...
Were comparing the portability of a laptop the NZ90 and not your NX70 to the NZ90

Well sorry for not looking the prices of dell laptops a few months/years back but when you made your post is when I checked the Dell site ... and there was no laptops at your price range! And why would you care about buying a laptop from the past when you can't even purchase them new now?

Yes, you can purchase a refurbished model but like I said not PORTABLE!
Another thing is would you want to buy some refurbished laptops when there are new ones for not that much more money and provide more power? Especially when the older models are heavier and bulkier!
You know that everyone in this forum wants the latest and greatest.

Yes, I did do some research before I posted ... and did you do any research before you posted?
Hmm..
I don't think so ... you mention on the topic that you might as well buy a vaio but in the message you talk about a dell laptop ... hmm maybe their the same in your mind .... and especially when Vaios cost more then the dell notebooks.

If I found laptops that cheap I would of bought them a long time ago but they're not.

[Unregistered]

Originally posted by nx70vboy


if you've seen how fat the NZ is...i wouldn't talk about portability. the NZ is not portable. It's small but I wouldn't call it portable. I'm having enough trouble with the NX so don't get me started.

if you knew anything about dell laptops, then you would have gone to www.dell.ca to check out their deals. they have in the past sold $1300 laptops. brand new, not refurbished. so you lose again.
secondly, i never said a new laptop. you can easily purchase an older model laptop still with more power than an NZ for under the price of an NZ.

please kindly pass thoughts through your mind and research a bit before you go flamming people.


There are many people out there carry their Casio E-125 around
There are many people out there carry their ipaq 3970 + CF plus around

Did you every see how fat these PDAs are? Did you evey try the weight of Ipaq 5450 + cf plus? The weight of NZ90 is just a piece of cake! If those machines can be carried around, then why shouldn't NZ90 be?

Besides, DID YOU EVER HOLD THE NZ90 ON YOUR HAND? IF NOT, HOW DO YOU KNOW THIS THING CAN'T BE CARRIED AROUND?

YOU HAVE TO TASTE THE CAKE BEFORE YOU JUDGE IT!

[Jeff146]

Originally posted by Unregistered



There are many people out there carry their Casio E-125 around
There are many people out there carry their ipaq 3970 + CF plus around

Did you every see how fat these PDAs are? Did you evey try the weight of Ipaq 5450 + cf plus? The weight of NZ90 is just a piece of cake! If those machines can be carried around, then why shouldn't NZ90 be?

Besides, DID YOU EVER HOLD THE NZ90 ON YOUR HAND? IF NOT, HOW DO YOU KNOW THIS THING CAN'T BE CARRIED AROUND?

YOU HAVE TO TASTE THE CAKE BEFORE YOU JUDGE IT!

I agree!

[LITTLESIX]

Originally posted by Unregistered



There are many people out there carry their Casio E-125 around
There are many people out there carry their ipaq 3970 + CF plus around

Did you every see how fat these PDAs are? Did you evey try the weight of Ipaq 5450 + cf plus? The weight of NZ90 is just a piece of cake! If those machines can be carried around, then why shouldn't NZ90 be?

Besides, DID YOU EVER HOLD THE NZ90 ON YOUR HAND? IF NOT, HOW DO YOU KNOW THIS THING CAN'T BE CARRIED AROUND?

YOU HAVE TO TASTE THE CAKE BEFORE YOU JUDGE IT!

Consider nx70vboy's rationale for stopping using his Nx:...

Originally posted by nx70vboy
hahaha....yah, i just noticed how fat it was compared to the nx70v....lol

i stopped using the nx70v and i got a t665c cos the nx70v was too long.....kept on jabbing my nuts in my pocket. :P ....

and then ask yourself why even bother debating PDA's with him. Nevermind that this post says he was protecting his testicles, and the others say that he cracked it from a drop (I'm thinking crushed it in his pocket).

Save your energies and talk about PDA's with somebody that knows something. Obviously his requirements for one of them - will my nuts be safe? - speaks for itself.

[nx70vboy]

yo jeff146...look buddy. you gotta chill. sit on the can for a while and let all that frustration out of your system.
i'm just saying i got my vaio R505GL,F570, and F650 all for under the price of an NX ayte?
if youre seriously that psyched and obsessed with portability, carry a pen and use the back of your hand.

peace out.

[Jeff146]

Wow you got it for all under the price of NX?

damn I want to know where you get your stuff please please please tell me!

R505GL

http://www.sonystyle.ca/webapp/commerce/servlet/ProductDisplay?merchant_rn=1&prrfnbr=64923

Price: $2299.99 CAD

NX70V

http://www.sonystyle.ca/webapp/commerce/servlet/ProductDisplay?merchant_rn=1&prrfnbr=65023&cgrfnbr=15521&catLandNum=15520&parent=CLIE_PDA

Price: $999.99 CAD

Not much differernce only $1300 with the difference you can buy an NZ90

I don't know man I wouldn't of said all of these things if you backup your statements!!

Show me where you can get the R505GL for $999.99 CAD
Show me and i'll shut my mouth alright!

Done my rant!

[AnthonyM]

Originally posted by nx70vboy


if you've seen how fat the NZ is...i wouldn't talk about portability. the NZ is not portable. It's small but I wouldn't call it portable. I'm having enough trouble with the NX so don't get me started.

if you knew anything about dell laptops, then you would have gone to www.dell.ca to check out their deals. they have in the past sold $1300 laptops. brand new, not refurbished. so you lose again.
secondly, i never said a new laptop. you can easily purchase an older model laptop still with more power than an NZ for under the price of an NZ.

please kindly pass thoughts through your mind and research a bit before you go flamming people.

I have handled an NZ. It is not as fat as my old N760C with a case was. It also happens to fit in my back pocket. So why is this being brought up again? If it is too big for you, then don't buy it. Sony will always ensure that there is a new Clie in a form factor that better suits your needs just around the corner. Complaining about the size isn't going to make any difference at all. By the way, I also own a Viao notebook and two are entirely different beasts. It is not reasonable to compare one to the other.

[LITTLESIX]

Anthony - how'd you get your hands on one?

[AnthonyM]

Originally posted by LITTLESIX
Anthony - how'd you get your hands on one?

Hopefully I did not mislead you by making you think I had one for my own use. I had been allowed to play with one at a tech show. I only had it in my hand for about 10 or 15 minutes but that was more than enough time to determine that I would still be able to carry it in my back right pocket like I do with my NR70. I had to do the thickness comparisson between it and my old N760C in its leather case from memory but I was not able to put the N760C with case in my back pocket so I am pretty sure it was thicker. Yes, the NZ is obviously thicker than the NR or NX. That doesn't make it impossible to carry as some uninformed individuals would like you to believe. I personally find my NR too large to carry in my front pocket. I would think that the NZ would be impossible to carry there (didn't even try too). Then again, some of us have seem to have found the room for an NX in their front pocket when I would have thought nobody would have carried it there.

- Anthony

[LITTLESIX]

Originally posted by AnthonyM


Hopefully I did not mislead you by making you think I had one for my own use. I had been allowed to play with one at a tech show. I only had it in my hand for about 10 or 15 minutes but that was more than enough time to determine that I would still be able to carry it in my back right pocket like I do with my NR70. I had to do the thickness comparisson between it and my old N760C in its leather case from memory but I was not able to put the N760C with case in my back pocket so I am pretty sure it was thicker. Yes, the NZ is obviously thicker than the NR or NX. That doesn't make it impossible to carry as some uninformed individuals would like you to believe. I personally find my NR too large to carry in my front pocket. I would think that the NZ would be impossible to carry there (didn't even try too). Then again, some of us have seem to have found the room for an NX in their front pocket when I would have thought nobody would have carried it there.

- Anthony

You did not mislead me - just a point of curiosity.

[zzarg]

I have an NR70V and a Vaio C1MT (PictureBook) and they are great, for different things.
I support an IIS/SQL site... which I can't run on my Clie for quick code fixes (although PalmVNC lets me connect)
The Vaio means I can stick something in a tote bag (or my girlfriends purse) or hide it easily in the car and know I have a fully functioning machine
The NR70V however is great for simple things like taking notes, keeping my diary up to date or checking email (iambic Mail)
The NZ however... well that's just WAY too big to have the NR benefits. The NR is actually bigger than I'd like (I'm aware of it, which I often wasn't with my Vx, and as for the Palm-T... perfect size !)
I love the features of both, and they have advantages, but they do need to keep PDA and ultra-portable seperated....

[Medcat99]

What's the going rate for a picturebook right now? Also, I've been thinking about getting a full-size laptop vs. a picturebook. Any limitations to the picturebook?

[Jeffry]

Originally posted by Medcat99
What's the going rate for a picturebook right now? Also, I've been thinking about getting a full-size laptop vs. a picturebook. Any limitations to the picturebook?

The limitations of the picture book (as far as I know) is a slower processor, smaller screen, no touchpad, and no disc-drives. However, the portability and camera is a huge plus. If you travel alot (going from one place to another frequently) get a picturebook. Otherwise, a full-sized notebook will suit you just fine if you intend to leave it at home or don't travel a lot.

[eric2002]

Why does the size of the NZ keep coming up??? Have you looked at the specs on Sony's site and compared the NZ to the NX and NR???? If you had you'd see that the size difference is so incredibly small.

width x length x depth
NZ: 3" x 5.6" x .9"
NX: 2.9" x 5.5" x .7"

This size difference seems tiny to me... so please, enough already!!

[Medcat99]

That may be the dimensions, but the pictures do not support such a negligible size difference. Also, the people who have actually handled them have all said the size is significantly larger.

[Unregistered]

Originally posted by eric2002
Why does the size of the NZ keep coming up??? Have you looked at the specs on Sony's site and compared the NZ to the NX and NR???? If you had you'd see that the size difference is so incredibly small.

width x length x depth
NZ: 3" x 5.6" x .9"
NX: 2.9" x 5.5" x .7"

This size difference seems tiny to me... so please, enough already!!

True, but how much of the .7 thickness is there on the NX? Probably not even half of it because it is just for the CF slot. Now the NZ is .9 all around, which makes it seem like a brick.

So the size difference isn't as insignificant as you thought.

[Unregistered]

I agree with zzarg. What it really comes down to, is what do you want the NZ for if that is your thing.

Here is a post I put on pdastreet.com: (long winded in hindsight)

I just returned my NX for the NZ.


What it really comes down to is what do you think you want to do with the NZ. The big problem I have noticed with Pocket PC buyers , generally speaking, and some Palm people is that they buy their units because of the bells and whistles and expect some type of event comparable to the "Second coming" to happen. As with all things dealing with little research, little need and little inner thought, they got bored of it and hated it because it wasn't a laptop or whatever.

I will be looking for a new computer after I recover from my NZ purchase. When I fought against the NZ purchase for the same exact reason of, "I could get a laptop for that price," I thought about that a little further. I would never, ever, ever, ever get a laptop for that price. I reject the snobby comments of trying to buy the best electronic unit, vice get what I need now. I am still typing on my Gateway 9100, Pentium II, because when I got it in the summer of 1998 I knew that it was "top of the line" and it would last me for whatever I would need for a while (relative to the electronic world.

My point is why would any PDA (for now) ever be even remotely considered a computer replacement. Isn't that why they call it a personal digital "assistant." My next computer will be either a desktop replacement laptop (like this one was), or whatever desktop I can get before I cry "uncle."

In the end all be all, I loved my NX while I had it. For $200 more I got a quality, secondary mini-camera, for when I don't want to drag my Sony 717. Get what you conceivably will want. You will get bored of the bells and whistles no matter what you get. There is no point in cussing the NZ. If it doesn't inspire you to bring it with you, it will be a waste of your time and cash as it sits at home.

ceasar

[AnthonyM]

Originally posted by Medcat99
That may be the dimensions, but the pictures do not support such a negligible size difference. Also, the people who have actually handled them have all said the size is significantly larger.

I have handled both and have not stated that the size is significantly larger. I have stated that there is a noticable difference but when your looking at a product where the size is somewhat critical, a noticable difference is important too some people. Because of how I carry and use my PDA, the size difference is not that big of a deal too me. If I decide to upgrade from an NR to an NZ, I won't really notice the size increase too much. I actually sort of liked the more solid feel and I will still be able to carry it in the same manner as I do my NR. For anyone that feels that their NR or NX is already too large, then they will not like the NZ. It feels slightly (not significantly) larger and heavier. If you are already unhappy wit the size and weight of your NR or NX, then this will amount too a significant issue for you. That is where some individuals will have a problem with this Clie.

I remember that everyone was having a real problem with the NX's added hump before the product actually was released. The pictures made it look significant and bulky. Once the product was released, that opinion changed for many people including myself. I didn't even notice that added hump when comparing the NX to the NR. While the size difference between the NX and NZ is greater than it was between the NX and the NR, it seems to me that too many people are once again jumping too conclusions based on what they see in pictures and should actually wait to draw their own conclusions once the product makes it into the stores.

- Anthony

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Umm what kind of case did you have?
Of course a leather case would not absorb damage

Did you even look at the case for the NZ90, it has a zipper and it's made out of nylon ... from the looks of the pic the case is for sure absorb more shock then a leather case!




i had this case (PEGA-CA100) ordered from SonyStore in Canada and took them damn well over 2 months to get!! but anyways, unlike leather cases that wrap around your NZ90, it has soft padding all around the exterior and the shell is made of like a soft suede material. of course, when dropped the NZ90 will still receive some shock but a lot less than leather cases.