MSPro on NX73/80

[OcellNuri]

I have a question for anyone who already has one of the new NX units. Do these units support Memory Stick Pro out of the box without the update on the Sony website? One of my main fears of MSPro is not being able to restore from a backup file stored on the MSPro in the event of a hard reset. If these units can read the card without the update files (which are lost in a hard reset) then I could view MSPro as an option.

Main thing that reminded me about this question was jlethbridge's post about recovering from a hard reset with MSPro here:

http://www.cliesource.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=227192#post227192

[slinger]

I can't say for sure as I don't have one, but I'd bet money that they do. If you look at the picture of the NX73 memory stick slot on this page:

http://www.jp.sonystyle.com/peg/Nx80v_73v/index_02.html#con

you'll see the word "PRO" screened on the side of the case. I'd say it's a positive sign.

[rlc7254]

Originally posted by OcellNuri
I have a question for anyone who already has one of the new NX units. Do these units support Memory Stick Pro out of the box without the update on the Sony website? One of my main fears of MSPro is not being able to restore from a backup file stored on the MSPro in the event of a hard reset. If these units can read the card without the update files (which are lost in a hard reset) then I could view MSPro as an option.

Main thing that reminded me about this question was jlethbridge's post about recovering from a hard reset with MSPro here:

http://www.cliesource.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=227192#post227192

 

Yes, it does support the Pro sticks out of the box. If you look at the MS slot pictures of the unit, you will see the word "Pro" just above it. That is how Sony is distinguishing between the two. I just purchased a Sony laptop model PCG-FRV25, and it has MS Pro support out of the box, and has the word Pro by the slot.

[OcellNuri]

Excellent! Thanks for the information guys. The "Pro" printed above the slot had slipped my mind. Doh!

[slinger]

Originally posted by rlc7254

I just purchased a Sony laptop model PCG-FRV25, and it has MS Pro support out of the box, and has the word Pro by the slot.
Does your new laptop support native MS PRO read/write speeds?

[rlc7254]

Originally posted by slinger

Does your new laptop support native MS PRO read/write speeds?

 

I haven't had too much of a chance to use the MS Pro stick I have with it yet. I usually have it in my TG50. Windows sees it simply as a removable disc on the control panel, and moves data via drag-n-drop at a fairly fast clip. But for numbers I don't have any.

 

 

[OcellNuri]

If you have both the MS Pro and a normal MS, you could copy over a large MP3 and the speed difference should be very obvious. So does this mean the new NX73/80 will support the faster speeds as well?

[n2ifp]

I think it's supports the Pro, but not natively.

I updated my VAIO Laptop and Desktop this past weekend. I see no appreciable difference in speed between the purple and Pro.

BTW, although the newest Sony cameras that now support the MS Pro, the manual states that there is no speed adavntage.

[n2ifp]

If anyone is going to buy the new NX, get the NX80, at least it'll have a little bit more memory.

[TheUltimate]

There is no spee advantage as of yet, becuase it is a hardware issue, not a software issue. You need certain hardware installed on each device in order to read and write that quickly. The speed notice will not be felt til fall of this year or even spring time.

[TheUltimate]

The only real devices you can use that you will see the differences are the New Memory stick external Drives that are usb2.0 comp.

[OcellNuri]

MS Pro support out of the box... being able to backup to a MSPro stick and restore. That may be enough reason for some to upgrade from a current NX unit.

[killah fury]

i have the Sony DSC-FX77 camera with bluetooth... copying pictures over to my pc while the camera is connected via the supplied USB 2.0 cable is very fast...

[mvfrancisco]

With the FX-77, can you record full motion at large res continuously with both a regular MS and MSPro? Or are you limited by the IO on the regular MS?

[n2ifp]

Originally posted by mvfrancisco
With the FX-77, can you record full motion at large res continuously with both a regular MS and MSPro? Or are you limited by the IO on the regular MS?

Both seem to be fast using the USB2 from the camera. I have not actually timed it, just my perception. The MS Pro is definitely not slower than the purple stick.

Recording speed in the camera for video is the same for both using the new DSC-V1 Sony.

[mvfrancisco]

Thanks Larry, that was a quick reply...

I'm curious as to the recording time rather than the speed. Someone told me that video recording times on digital cameras were limited (i.e. Max of 30 secs at large res or 3 min at low res) because the IO to the memory card was too slow, so it would buffer the video internally, while writing as fast as it could to the card. Supposedly one of the advantages of MS Pro is that you can record continuously for as long as you have space.

[ricleo]

My Sony DSC P7 using a normal purple MS could already record at high resolution throughout the maximum capacity of the128MB MS without any limitations. The P7 does not acept MSPro.

[n2ifp]

Originally posted by mvfrancisco
Thanks Larry, that was a quick reply...

I'm curious as to the recording time rather than the speed. Someone told me that video recording times on digital cameras were limited (i.e. Max of 30 secs at large res or 3 min at low res) because the IO to the memory card was too slow, so it would buffer the video internally, while writing as fast as it could to the card. Supposedly one of the advantages of MS Pro is that you can record continuously for as long as you have space.

Yes, you can record continuously to the end ot he card on the new digital cameras. Yes, the older ones had limitations. That's where the MS Pro will shine :)

[ricleo]

hmmm... but the sony digicams that use MPEGMovieHQX could already record to the max of the 128MB MS without any limitations. The cameras from this generation do not use MSPro.

[AWS]

Originally posted by OcellNuri
MS Pro support out of the box... being able to backup to a MSPro stick and restore. That may be enough reason for some to upgrade from a current NX unit.

Doesn't the latest version of JackFlash work on the older NX models? If so, could you put the MS Pro driver into flash so a hard reset couldn't delete it. Then you could still access the MS Pro stick to do a restore.

[n2ifp]

Originally posted by AWS


Doesn't the latest version of JackFlash work on the older NX models? If so, could you put the MS Pro driver into flash so a hard reset couldn't delete it. Then you could still access the MS Pro stick to do a restore.

No, the reason is some of the files need to overlay the ones in ROM and being in Flash doesn't do it. Why, I don't know, but through experimentation, it don't work. The exception is if there is no mirror file in the factory ROM that's being replaced.

[n2ifp]

Originally posted by AWS


Doesn't the latest version of JackFlash work on the older NX models? If so, could you put the MS Pro driver into flash so a hard reset couldn't delete it. Then you could still access the MS Pro stick to do a restore.

No, the reason is some of the files need to overlay the ones in ROM and being in Flash doesn't do it. Why, I don't know, but through experimentation, it don't work. The exception is if there is no mirror file in the factory ROM that's being replaced.

[n2ifp]

Hmm, it posted double or I am seeing double?

[OcellNuri]

Actually... on the NX with Jackflash, files in ROM cannot be accessed after a hard reset. A program called "Flash Enable" must be run first... this will enable the extra space in flash, and any files stored there will be read. This seems to be an issue with OS5.

If you keep a copy of "Flash Enable" on the MSPro, you would need to copy it to RAM from the MSPro before you could see the MSPro drivers that are in the ROM, and you can't copy Flash Enable from the MSPro because the drivers in ROM can't be seen. Quite a pickle eh? :D

[n2ifp]

It's like which came first, the chicken or the egg?

Thank goodness my case holds two memory sticks, so one of them has to be of the purple persuasion :D

[AWS]

OK, then the workaround would be to keep, as n2ifp said, one MS of the purple persuasion. After a hard reset, put in purple MS, copy "Flash Enable" to PDA, run Flash Enable, then soft reset for the MS drivers to work, then put in MS Pro to do a restore...

Will this be a foolproof way to restore with the NX60/70?

Maybe an NX73/80 would be worth the extra money and wait time.

[OcellNuri]

Yea AWS, that method should work fine.

I carry my NX around caseless right now... so the new NX would be great for me because I could get a Pro stick and not having to worry about carrying around an extra.