Pictures on a Memory Stick

[DHBANG]

I have had a T615c for almost a year and just bought a Sony Cybershot DSC-F717 yesterday. I thought I could pop the MS out of the camera and into the Clie to see the pics in PhotoStand or PG Pocket. I can find the pics on the MS with FileZ & MS Gate. BUT the Clie programs don't see them at all. What is the trick? Or do I have to import them like any other JPGs from my PC?

Thanks

[rldunn]

When you switch to the MS view in PGPocket, click on the DCF button and the pics should show up. However, they'll probably be very pixelated. Using PGPocket, you can import them into RAM and they'll look better. Or you can get a pic viewer like AcidImage, and they'll look a lot better with no processing.

[DHBANG]

I clicked on the DCF buttom and it said that there were none on the MS

[rldunn]

Then maybe you need to change your Cybershot settings. Use a file manager and see where on the MS the pics are being stored. My Cybershot puts them in the /DCIM/100MSDCF/ file which is where PGPocket looks for the DCF files (which are actually JPEGS).

[robrecht]

Originally posted by rldunn
When you switch to the MS view in PGPocket, click on the DCF button and the pics should show up. However, they'll probably be very pixelated. Using PGPocket, you can import them into RAM and they'll look better. Or you can get a pic viewer like AcidImage, and they'll look a lot better with no processing.

It shouldn't be this difficult! I started investing in a lot of expensive SONY equipment so that I would be able to have easy compatibility through Memory Stick. SONY camera to SONY Clie via SONY Memory Stick, seems like a simple expectation.

[DHBANG]

I tried moving the pics to the PictureGear folder on the MS. Still didn't see them. The Cybershot puts them in the DCIM/100MSDCF folder on my MS too. But PGPocket sure doesn't find them there.

[rldunn]

Originally posted by robrecht


It shouldn't be this difficult! I started investing in a lot of expensive SONY equipment so that I would be able to have easy compatibility through Memory Stick. SONY camera to SONY Clie via SONY Memory Stick, seems like a simple expectation. Well, the problem is that except for the NX and maybe the NR and T665, the Clies have small screens and slow chips. So, to decode a JPG for display, it takes a long time. At least the software provides the ability to optimize this by converting it into PGP format; I don't know of any other handhelds that do that. On the NX, it really is seamless; pics look great and load really fast!!

[rldunn]

Originally posted by DHBANG
I tried moving the pics to the PictureGear folder on the MS. Still didn't see them. The Cybershot puts them in the DCIM/100MSDCF folder on my MS too. But PGPocket sure doesn't find them there. Then I'm at a loss. I've had 6 different Clies (S300, S320, N610, SJ30, NR70, and NX70), and all could see pics in the /DCIM/100MSDCF folder if DCF (or DSC) was chosen in PGPocket in MS mode. I even just tried it on my S320, and it saw not only pics in that directory, but also in the /DCIM/101MSDCF folder, which is where the NX puts pics.

[kennyd]

I would suggest


Copying your /DCIM/ directory and all subdirectories to a directory on your pc
inserting your MS into your clie
Open MS Gate on your clie
go to "Options"  in your menu and select format.
Paste your /DCIM/ directory back into your MS


I don't know for certain that this is the issue, but if this MS has never been formated your clie cannot read it.  I would assume that the cybershot would have formatted the card, but it seems obvious that your clie is not reading the card.

[DHBANG]

kennyd:

I followed your suggestion but to no avail. The Clie sees the pics on the memory stick if I go into FileZ or MSGate. The MS is formatted okay. They are there - but PGPocket can't see them. Seems like it must be something obvious. I have tried it with more than one MS.

[kennyd]

Could you tell me what the file name of the pictures are.  Your cybershot should be naming them in a format that looks like this...DSC00001.jpg.  If this is the case that your camera is naming the pics in this formatt I too am at a loss as to what the issue might be.  One more thing that I would be interested in is this.  Will your clie be able to read jpegs that you manually prepare for that directory.  There is a tutorial (http://www.cliesource.com/tutorials.php?op=showcontent&id=18)in the tutorials section that explaining how to do that.  You might give that a shot to see if your clie is capable of viewing jpegs in the DCF formatt.  I can't imaging that you have a camera that is terminally unique, but maybe doing this will narrow down where the problem is. 

[DHBANG]

Kennyd:

I followed your suggestion about converting some jpgs on my PC to DCF and trying to view them in that format on my Clie. It worked fine. That lead me to discover that the Sony Cybershot is putting them in Folder 101MSDCF and the Clie wants them in Folder 100MSDCF. I can move them via MS Import to 100MSDCF and they come up fine. So now - how do I either make the camera put them in folder MSDCF100 directly or make the Clie see the DCFs in all folders?

Thanks for your help!

Darrell

[kennyd]

Originally posted by rldunn
I even just tried it on my S320, and it saw not only pics in that directory, but also in the /DCIM/101MSDCF folder, which is where the NX puts pics.

This post states a reason to know that at least one clie model is capable of reading both directories.  I have never seen a setting on my SJ30 that can change the directory that PG is reading.  I also have never tried to view pics from that directory on my SJ30.  I do wonder if there is a setting in your cypershot that will allow you switch directories.  Or if you load those pics in the ...100... directory if your cybershot would continue to use that directory.

[DHBANG]

Very interesting - The Cybershot will allow folders to be created starting with 101msdcf up to 999msdcf - but not 100msdcf. If I create the folder using the PC, I can see on the camera that it has been created but if I change to that folder, it says "Cannot Record"

[DHBANG]

The camera manual says "Images recorded using a camera without the folder creation function are stored in the '100msdcf' folder. You cannot select '100msdcf' as the recording folder with this camera". Guess that means that it's up to the Clie if I am ever going to review camera pics without going through the PC.

[rldunn]

Originally posted by kennyd


This post states a reason to know that at least one clie model is capable of reading both directories.  I have never seen a setting on my SJ30 that can change the directory that PG is reading.  I also have never tried to view pics from that directory on my SJ30.  I do wonder if there is a setting in your cypershot that will allow you switch directories.  Or if you load those pics in the ...100... directory if your cybershot would continue to use that directory. The strange thing is that the S320 was one of the first Clies, and it read both directories, but I tried the same thing with the SJ30, and it could only read the 100MSDCF directory. So, if the T615 can't read the 101 directory, you're probably stuck with using McFile or similar to move all the pics you want to view from the 101 directory to the 100 directory.

[DHBANG]

Yes - I surmised that. It's too darn bad that Sony doesn't think more about making their products compatible for things like this. I moved 3 pics with FileZ and it took 15-20min --- not a practical way to review pics on vacation without a PC. Thanks for your thoughts.

[Spiral]

use acidimage or splashphoto, i know acidimage can search folders, and i think splashphoto does the same

[leo_clie]

I'm interested in how fast could the pictures be viewed on a NR? With the Cybershot you can make up to 5Mio-pix. But how fast are they opened with

Picture Gear (NX, NR),
AcidImage (only for the NX)
SplashPhoto (NX, NR)

???

[DHBANG]

Thanks Spiral for the suggestion. With SplashPhoto I can shoot in EMail mode and view the email pics fairly fast. Now - with max resolution it takes 1:40 to 2:00 for the pics to come up. With Splashphoto I can categorize the email versions into a category folder, review them quickly (or look at a slideshow of them), then delete the whole email folder and just keep the hi-res pics. This looks like the best approach for a vacation.

AcidImage has some nice features but I think SplashPhoto gives me more flexibility as described above. I didn't even see the email images with AcidImage.

This is my first digital camera so I don't know if others have the email mode whereby the camera creates a 320x240 image at the same time it creates the full res. image.

I don't have the NX or NR so I can't comment on leo_clie's question. I am back at the T615 level.

[rldunn]

DHBang, I would try AcidImage again. It will see every folder on the MS that contains pics. It works great with the email versions on mine, and it's very fast. Traditionally, it was always faster than SplashPhoto. I've heard the new SplashPhoto has closed the gap utilizing the ARM chip on the NX, but I'm not sure how they compare on the SJ.

Also, with AI, in addition to the physical directories that pics are in, it allows you to create virtual directories. I use that to have a directory of pics of my boys that are actually spread over several physical directories. Works very nice.

[rldunn]

Originally posted by leo_clie
I'm interested in how fast could the pictures be viewed on a NR? With the Cybershot you can make up to 5Mio-pix. But how fast are they opened with

Picture Gear (NX, NR),
AcidImage (only for the NX)
SplashPhoto (NX, NR)

??? Leo, I don't have a 5MP camera. But feel free to email me a 5MP pictures and I'll test it on AI on an NX.

[DHBANG]

rldunn, I tried AcidImage again. It does not see MY email version pictures. The Cybershot DSC F717 uses the extension .jpe instead of .jpg. I assume that AcidImage does not like jpe. Also, I ran a test on one jpg. It took AcidImage 1:44 to display the pic and Splashphoto took 1:16 to display.

[leo_clie]

Originally posted by rldunn
Leo, I don't have a 5MP camera. But feel free to email me a 5MP pictures and I'll test it on AI on an NX.

I don't have it either. I only could generate an 5MP JPEG and sent it to you. The generation you could also do AND I don't know if the JPEG-loading is same as loading a picture of the Cybershot due to different compression. Probably I'll start another treath about this issue.

[Unregistered]

Hi,

I'm having the same problem with a SJ-33.

I would love to use my clie to view images I just shot with the f717 and, like you, the clie does not see the files.

I called Sony and the guy there knew less than I do about the issue. Still he told me about the difference in the folder name (100 versus 101), I asked him if renaming the folder would help but he didn't know.

I will test this tonight when I get back to my f717.

[Lee]

Here is the process I use to view photos on either my T415 or T665: open PictureGear Lite, find folder where your photo is saved (on the PC, assuming you have downloaded the photos from the camera MS), select, pull down File menu > Output services > Install image during next Hotsync. If I need to move it from RAM, I use MSGate. Then to view them in PGPocket, you have to select MS from the menu at the top, and switch to PGP from DCF if it says there are no images.

[UZI4U182]

Guys, it's a simple problem to fix. Get AcidImage, pop your memory stick in, open the directory on your MS that your camera stores pictures in, and boom, it should be able to open them no problem.

[L-3]

I do this all the time. I have a 707, a 717 and a P10. I use SplashPhoto and all I have to do is insert the card and launch SplashPhoto. The program sees the 5MP jpegs without any problems. It takes a while to load all the thumbs the first time, but after that its pretty darn fast for a picture of that size/quality.

[Unregistered]

I use AcidImage and have no problems - just pop in the MemoryStick and they are there. I use the Sony S70 camera.

[Jag]

Sorry, that was me above. Thought I was logged on.