Agendus 6.1 Pro (Beta)

[zefram]

Seems like they updated their icons for high-res screens. Don't know what else is new. Take a look

http://support.iambic.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=61

[wellsjs]

They've added iambic mail as a button on the button bar on the bottom. This 6.1 version will cost current users $14.95!! I tried sending a simple test message via my cell phone modem, and my Clie locked up . . . twice! Hey, it's beta! :D

[Tixx]

Originally posted by wellsjs
They've added iambic mail as a button on the button bar on the bottom. This 6.1 version will cost current users $14.95!! I tried sending a simple test message via my cell phone modem, and my Clie locked up . . . twice! Hey, it's beta! :D

Wow! Cost current users $14.95. Are you for real?

[Tixx]

You're right:eek:

"Hello,

please find below a quick summary of pricing and upgrade options. A detailed upgrade policy will be available upon release.

- Agendus 6.1 for Palm OS, Professional Edition -> $39.95
- Upgrade from Agendus 6.x to Agendus Pro -> $14.95
- Upgrade from iambic Mail 3.x to Agendus Pro -> $19.95
- Upgrade from Agendus 6.x + iambic Mail 3.x to Agendus Pro -> $4.95
- Upgrade from Agendus for Palm OS 5.x to Agendus 6.1 for Palm OS,
Professional Edition -> $14.95
- Upgrade from Action Names Datebook 4.x or below to Agendus 6.1 for Palm OS, Professional Edition -> $19.95

- Upgrade from Agendus for Palm OS 6.x to Agendus for Palm OS, Standard Edition 6.1 -> FREE
- Upgrade from iambic Mail 3.x to iambic Mail 3.1 -> FREE

- Adriano"

[rquinlan19]

I run Agendus 6.01 and it has the icon for IM... What's the difference?

[ErnieB]

iambic makes me sick.  They are charging the same upgrade price for 6.0 to Pro and 5.x to Pro.  I already paid something like $12 to upgrade from 5.x to 6.0 not all that long ago. 

Beyond Contacts from DataViz looks cool, though I don't see any hi-res support.  I already own Desktop To Go from DataViz and have NEVER paid for an upgrade.  Perhaps BC is the way to go.  It is much closer to Outlook than Agendus anyway.

Like I said before, iambic makes me sick.  I'm sorry I ever got involved with that company. 

[Tixx]

Originally posted by ErnieB
iambic makes me sick.  They are charging the same upgrade price for 6.0 to Pro and 5.x to Pro.  I already paid something like $12 to upgrade from 5.x to 6.0 not all that long ago. 

Beyond Contacts from DataViz looks cool, though I don't see any hi-res support.  I already own Desktop To Go from DataViz and have NEVER paid for an upgrade.  Perhaps BC is the way to go.  It is much closer to Outlook than Agendus anyway.

Like I said before, iambic makes me sick.  I'm sorry I ever got involved with that company. 

I think that it originally cost me $19.95 a few years back, $9.95 for the 5 update, would have cost $12 for the 6 update and now $14.95 for the Pro. So a $57.00 application.

Datebk3 cost me $20.00 at the same initial time and cost $10.00 for the update to Dbk4 and I believe nothing for Dbk5. So $30 for an equal if not superior app. A $27.00 difference over the same time frame is a huge difference.:eek: :mad:

So what is that, around a 200% increase vs. a 50% increase.

[pixelpainter]

This just goes to show that Iambic is only in it for the money. I found this to have little more functionality than version 6.02 and not worth 15 dollars. I think they're going to nickel and dime people over to Datebk5.

[PurpleMD]

It's expensive and shows a lack of respect for the customer, but I must say...those hires icons sure are pretty! :cool:

[turcic.com]

So happy that I don't have to use any Iambic products!

[fengwei007]

It's a pity that it still doesn't support hires icons on OS4 Clie, and even it's own app tool buttons/icons don't show up in hi-res. Guess we still have to use V3bhack to make use of the hi-res icons.

DB5 already supports hi-res icons now, what a shame here.

[aaronrkelly]

This is why I still have Agendus 5.x - does everything I need and I only buy applications once. The next time I pay for a datebook app it will be from another company. I agree Iambic isnt treating its customers fairly on this one - BAD IAMBIC...

[wellsjs]

Looks like I will be keeping an eye on Dbk5 with the likelyhood of switching soon. A feature (or lack thereof) that is holding me back: no color in the "week view." Also, from browsing the manual for Dbk5 it says you can switch to using "To-dos" in split screen day mode. Does this work/look similar to Agendus? Also, how easy is it to get to the address book if you do have the ToDos in split screen? Lastly, is the address book in Dbk5 as powerful as Agendus'?


P.S. Meanwhile, I am keeping my $14.95 and passing on Agendus Pro. ;)

[stevec]

I already have Agendus 6.02 and Mail 3.07 and they work fine together already. It sounds as if Agendus Pro would be a good deal for those wanting to add a mail app. Since Agendus 6.1 and Mail 3.1 will be free I'll try those out.

[volcanopele]

wellsjs, check out the lastest preview release, pG, from http://www.pimlicosoftware.com/datebk5.htm . This has excellent support for hi-res screens even for OS4. A few notes: there is color in the week view. In fact there is color in both week views. The appts will use the same color schemes as you set for them in the day view. You can view todos in a split screen (either at the top or bottom of the screen) in the day view. This is my preferred view because I can see my todos without scrolling no matter how many appts I have. To switch to view the address book with the Todos are in split screen, I just press the address book hard button. This put the address book in a split screen (replacing the todos).

The address is not quite as powerful but you can do very similar things to address books entries that you could with agendus. For example, you can log calls to or from a specific contact and have it show up in the note field of the contact. You can also link todos or appts to contacts.

[Alistar]

Originally posted by wellsjs
Looks like I will be keeping an eye on Dbk5 with the likelyhood of switching soon. A feature (or lack thereof) that is holding me back: no color in the "week view." Also, from browsing the manual for Dbk5 it says you can switch to using "To-dos" in split screen day mode. Does this work/look similar to Agendus? Also, how easy is it to get to the address book if you do have the ToDos in split screen? Lastly, is the address book in Dbk5 as powerful as Agendus'?


P.S. Meanwhile, I am keeping my $14.95 and passing on Agendus Pro. ;)

I find that the split screen in Datebk5 is better than in agendus because it allows you set how many lines it uses. For the life of me I could never find an option to set that in Agendus, it always used half the screen and if I manually moved it to somwhere else it would always be back at the middle of the screen if changed views and came back.

[SamuraiCatJB]

I don't see a need to integrate SMS/email into agendus... Since the standard upgrade from 6.0x to 6.1 is free, then I will do so. I think some people are confusing extra functionality features for business users as an upgrade. Why do you feel the need to complain about a pro-upgrade being available when the standard upgrade is still free?

That's kinda like going from Windows XP to Windows XP pro, there's a few features, and work bought it, that is fine, but I got xp home for home and that is fine for me. :) Iambic is as bad as microsoft, but it is not like they are making you pay for the 6.0x to 6.1, they are only making you pay for extra lazy features of emailing from your calendar... :) I can copy and paste quite fine thank you very much. :)

[bobbd]

This may start a war, but I find it interesting that so many people expect extensive new features for free. Note that Iambic is NOT charging for the upgrade from 6 to 6.1 if all you want is Agendus (what they now call standard edition). Sure they charged from 4 to 5 and from 5 to 6, but there were a lot of new features and they never said that major upgrades would be free. That money supports the enhancements. Minor upgrades and bug fixes were always free. This is like most commercial software companies and many shareware sites as well.

I see nothing wrong in what Iambic is doing in terms of pricing. I too evaluated version 6 before deciding to purchase. At least I have that option. Ask Microsoft to evaluate before buying - hah.

Just my humble opinion.

Bob

[SamuraiCatJB]

Originally posted by bobbd


I see nothing wrong in what Iambic is doing in terms of pricing. I too evaluated version 6 before deciding to purchase. At least I have that option. Ask Microsoft to evaluate before buying - hah.

Just my humble opinion.

Bob

actually I was invited to evaluate and beta test for microsoft.... at a mere cost of $25 (me paying) I could have beta tested for microsoft windows XP.... I was so thrilled by the offer I worshipped the porcelen god.... ;)

[Tixx]

Originally posted by bobbd
This may start a war, but I find it interesting that so many people expect extensive new features for free. Note that Iambic is NOT charging for the upgrade from 6 to 6.1 if all you want is Agendus (what they now call standard edition). Sure they charged from 4 to 5 and from 5 to 6, but there were a lot of new features and they never said that major upgrades would be free. That money supports the enhancements. Minor upgrades and bug fixes were always free. This is like most commercial software companies and many shareware sites as well.

I see nothing wrong in what Iambic is doing in terms of pricing. I too evaluated version 6 before deciding to purchase. At least I have that option. Ask Microsoft to evaluate before buying - hah.

Just my humble opinion.

Bob

I was just showing that Dbk5 was giving customers a better price for an equal if not better app:)

[Noodles Hovar]

I can't find the beta d/load. I get stuck in a message post loop which seems to be referencing itself.

[Chukar]

Go to the beta forum and click on the 5th note from the top.

"Sticky: Agendus for Palm OS, Professional Edition, V6.1 Build 311 (http://support.iambic.com/forum/showthread.php?amp;threadid=5610)"

[Nate1749]

Originally posted by pixelpainter
This just goes to show that Iambic is only in it for the money. I found this to have little more functionality than version 6.02 and not worth 15 dollars. I think they're going to nickel and dime people over to Datebk5.


I'm sorry I just had to comment on this.... What else would a company be in it for? The love of palms?

[Alistar]

Originally posted by Nate1749



I'm sorry I just had to comment on this.... What else would a company be in it for? The love of palms?

Well actually the Datebk5 people aren't in it for the money. According to their website the proceeds from all sales to the Gorilla Haven Project. Assuming we take it at face value they break even then give all profits away.

They make an amazing product and they are not in it for the money.

[Nate1749]

Actually... Isn't datebk5 a person (not people?). Probably a bit less overheard with a one man show...

Break-even eh... Kinda like non-profit schools where the president makes $200,000?

I'm sure the guy who runs it is very nice and generous, it's just interesting when people think that if a company is in business to make money that they are evil & selfish.

I'm sure he started making datebk with the intention to support the Gorilla Haven Project & not for money though......................

[Alistar]

I agree that the whole point of business is to make money. However there are several companies out there who provide better and friendlier support while providing a quality product.
Zlauncher for example has provided free updates even during major upgrades. ZL2 is quite different from ZL3.

[pixelpainter]

I also agree, however, companies that are only in it for the money don't listen to their customers, offer poor support, put out a product that has more than a fair amount of bugs, and then drag their feet to fix them. And on top of that, charge their customers to upgrade to a minor upgrade.

On the other hand, If a company listens to their customers, fix the bugs quickly, and offer free incremental upgrades, more people will pay for the large update.

Of these choices, which one do you feel is the the way to do business.

[Noodles Hovar]

Originally posted by Chukar
Go to the beta forum and click on the 5th note from the top.

"Sticky: Agendus for Palm OS, Professional Edition, V6.1 Build 311 (http://support.iambic.com/forum/showthread.php?amp;threadid=5610)"

Thanks! Boy that location was "unobvious"!!

[Noodles Hovar]

Never mind. The readme says this software is $40. That's getting near hardware $$$!

[Nate1749]

pixel: whichever makes the year end fy earnings higher =)

FYI - Iambic does have a message board that they maintain and are fairly responsive to; you might have better luck voicing your some complainants there.

[pixelpainter]

For the record, been there, done that. that's why I'm here. Someones listening :)

[Nate1749]

I just tried DataViz's BeyondContacts & I love it. If your an Outlook user, this program is a must. Great feature it includes is multiple category selection for one contact (& finally the Birthday field!!).

-Nate

Check out all the supported fields!
http://www.dataviz.com/products/beyondcontacts/bc_fields.html

[Tixx]

Originally posted by Nate1749
it's just interesting when people think that if a company is in business to make money that they are evil & selfish.


Though not a single person stated that in the thread here. So I guess I find it interesting that people just make up cr@p to spew like above:)

[Reggie]

Originally posted by Nate1749
I just tried DataViz's BeyondContacts & I love it. If your an Outlook user, this program is a must. Great feature it includes is multiple category selection for one contact (& finally the Birthday field!!).

-Nate

Check out all the supported fields!
http://www.dataviz.com/products/beyondcontacts/bc_fields.html

The negative feedback that I heard regarding BeyondContacts is it creates its own database and not build on top of the Address standard app. I'm not sure how this would affect the Agendus or DateBk5 contacts view.

[wellsjs]

Obviously, companies are started to make money (provide a living for the owner and it's employees). If they incorporate, then there's stockholders to satisfy, but that's a different story. But for a company to remain a viable entity, they have to balance profit and customer relations/support. Unfortunately, my experience tells me that economic times being tough, most companies have cut customer support severly while eyeing the bottom line of their business! Getting good customer support, whether it be Agendus, DataViz, or Burger King, is becoming more rare every day! ;)

[Unregistered]

"Though not a single person stated that in the thread here. So I guess I find it interesting that people just make up cr@p to spew like above"

The implication was certainly there in several posts.

[Nate149]

Thanks unregistered! Don't need to touch the oven to know it's hot...

crap to spew? No need to be hostile, we're only talking about palms here. I didn't mean to hurt your feelings or anything; and my apologies if I misinterperted. Nor would I have said anything if I would have known it would have caused all this fuss!

Reggie: Sometimes you need to hotsync twice. For instance, if you make a change in outlook, then hotsync, it will be represented in both default datebook (so agendus as well) and beyondcontacts. But let's say you add/change something in beyondcontacts, you will hotsync and it will make the change in outlook. You then have to hotsync again so the change will come back to the default palm datebook (agendus). I think you could get around this by #1 changing the hotsync order #2 having a program hotsync twice (if that's possible). If your using beyondcontacts though, then there's no need to use default datebook/agendus. I will switch for sure when it's hi-res; but this has stopped me from upgrading agendus for sure.

wellsjs: yep yep!

[Tixx]

Originally posted by Unregistered
"Though not a single person stated that in the thread here. So I guess I find it interesting that people just make up cr@p to spew like above"

The implication was certainly there in several posts.

Read into it what you like, but it was factually not there. Enjoy your pretend fantasy land;)

[Tixx]

Originally posted by Nate149

crap to spew? No need to be hostile, we're only talking about palms here. I didn't mean to hurt your feelings or anything; and my apologies if I misinterperted. Nor would I have said anything if I would have known it would have caused all this fuss!


No fuss, I just don't take kindly to lying and making up false positions here, or anywhere. I accept your apology.:)