looking for Palm Pre testers

[momob]

Hi Lucky Palm Pre owners,

I am looking for Pre owners who will be willing to test my Palm OS games under MotionsApp "classic" Palm OS emulator**.

It will be cool to find out if those games run on palm Pre as well.

To make it worth your while, I will commit to provide you with free game(s) of your choice from the following list:

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Lunar Lander Simulator
The most realistic flight simulator ever developed on Palm/Treo/Zodiac devices! It's all there, NASA voice calls, the same instruments Neil Alden Armstrong used and random lander failures!

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Space Dock Simulator
A sequel to Lunar lander Simulator. This time you are training for the second most difficult phase of a Moon landing: The space rendez-vous between the command module and the lunar module.Actual NASA voice calls, the same instruments astronauts used and random spacecraft failures!

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Blue Diamond
Takes place in a Swiss bank vault. You have been caught trying to steel the "Blue Diamond". You must now match wits with the bank's director in a high-stakes game of chance, skill, and timing.



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Finger Painter
is a simple yet fun drawing application for young kids (and adults who are still young at heart!) With Finger Painter in your Palm or Zodiac device, you and your kids can enjoy painting anytime, anywhere. Finger Painter, with its different pen sizes and huge amounts of colors to choose from, will entertain your young kids for hours at a time. In addition, there are colorful and exotic brushes palette to open up their imagination.The best part? No mess and no cleaning afterward!

Once I am satisfied that the games run (or not) on the Palm Pre + MotionsApp ("Classic"), I will announce it here and this test phase will be over.

Thank you so much for any help I can get.

You can check out these games here:

SimToGo Games (http://www.palmgear.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=software.developer&PartnerREF=&siteid=1&userID=1001021896&orderby=downloadtotal&direction=asc&searchtitle=Applications%20by%20SimToGo)


Mo.
SimToGo

** It looks like you will need to have an app called "Classic" from MotionsApp to run older Palm OS games/apps: Classic for webOS - MotionApps (http://www.motionapps.com/classic/)
(By the way, is this app comes with the Pre, or needs to be purchased separately?....I hope it comes pre-installed on the Pre!)

[harpgliss]

Hi,


** It looks like you will need to have an app called "Classic" from MotionsApp to run older Palm OS games/apps: Classic for webOS - MotionApps (http://www.motionapps.com/classic/)
(By the way, is this app comes with the Pre, or needs to be purchased separately?....I hope it comes pre-installed on the Pre!)


This does not come pre installed and cost $29.99.

For the curious.

David

[momob]

Thanks harpgliss. Yes, I just found out about the price. It is little steep. I have been with palm OS since the first device. I would wished that Palm would pre-install "Classic" with the Pre. That would have gave them a 50K + apps advantage. They are basically competing with the iPhone 40k+ apps with only few WebOS apps to speak off. Not a good move...

Mo.

[harpgliss]

Hi,

Meet the new Palm.

Old Palm has apparently died and been forgotten by the new regime, along with a lot of die-hard customers and developers.

David

[momob]

Hello David,

Yep, I agree. That was not a smart move. Now, small developers like me need to adapt (which is fine) but all these people (including me) who bought those great apps over the years are basically stuck. I know Palm wants to start anew but including the "classic" emulator would have been a smart move....

Too bad.

Mo.

[Greek]

Time to move on guys. :-)

[harpgliss]

Hi,

Time to move on guys. :-)


I have, like my Ipod Touch very much.

The fact that Palm has made the migration for PalmOS users difficult is what is bothersome to me.

David

[momob]

I agree with both of you!

1- Yes it is time to move on. Cloud computing is the future (and I like it) The only problem is that company like Verizon still think it is ok to charge $700/year for full access to the net from a device.

2- It is not like Palm could not help smooth out the transistion from Palm OS to WebOS. A product exist called "classic" and could have been pre-installed (like they did with similar priced games on the 755p) That would have removed the marketing advantage that the iphone (which I like by the way but I cannot get because it uses ATT) With very few WebOS apps out there, Palm could have sponsored "motionsApps" up to the point where the WebOS developpers would be able to come up with some good apps for the Pre. Instead now, we have a $30 app that people need to get access to 50K Palm OS apps. I am not how many people will fork $30 to be able to run Palm OS on their Pre. Until then, they are basically stuck with couple apps. It did not need to happen. Obviously, I have no knowledge o the discussion (if any) between MotionsApp and Palm so it could more complicated that i think. It is just too bad..

Yes, time to move on!

Mo.

[DennisOS2]

Hi,




I have, like my Ipod Touch very much.

The fact that Palm has made the migration for PalmOS users difficult is what is bothersome to me.

David

Hmmmmm .............. things at Pixar must be tough if you feel $30 is a lot. Wouldn't think so considering what must be paid to see one of their movies.

[DennisOS2]

Hi,




I have, like my Ipod Touch very much.

The fact that Palm has made the migration for PalmOS users difficult is what is bothersome to me.

David
No you haven't moved on ............you're still here.

[DennisOS2]

I agree with both of you!

1- Yes it is time to move on. Cloud computing is the future (and I like it) The only problem is that company like Verizon still think it is ok to charge $700/year for full access to the net from a device.

2- It is not like Palm could not help smooth out the transistion from Palm OS to WebOS. A product exist called "classic" and could have been pre-installed (like they did with similar priced games on the 755p) That would have removed the marketing advantage that the iphone (which I like by the way but I cannot get because it uses ATT) With very few WebOS apps out there, Palm could have sponsored "motionsApps" up to the point where the WebOS developpers would be able to come up with some good apps for the Pre. Instead now, we have a $30 app that people need to get access to 50K Palm OS apps. I am not how many people will fork $30 to be able to run Palm OS on their Pre. Until then, they are basically stuck with couple apps. It did not need to happen. Obviously, I have no knowledge o the discussion (if any) between MotionsApp and Palm so it could more complicated that i think. It is just too bad..

Yes, time to move on!

Mo.
Can you tell me which of your apps were at one time or are free now to the general public?

Palm could have frozen all PalmOS apps/developers out. They have hundreds to thousands (applications received) of developers for the new platform. They did not forget the PalmOS user. Seems like over the past 3-4 months many feel they should have a free ride.

As for iPhone apps ........... how many (similar to the 10's of thousands of PalmOS apps) are variations on a theme, downright duplications, or useless. Like the screen saver apps for the Palm. To each his own. For this reason, saying there is a gazillion apps for the iPhone doesn't help the average user ............ just makes money for developers and Apple. Not a bad thing, but this is a user forum, not a developer forum.

PLEASE .........move on.

[momob]

Hello Dennis

Yes, I agree most of the 1000's of palm (and Iphone for that matter) are total crap. The fact still remain that they are many great apps on the Palm OS (I am not talking about mine here) that would be great to port to the WebOS. $30 for the "classic" app is just high enough to dissuade most people to invest that kind of money to run they favorite Palm Os app. Think about it. For $30 you get NOTHING! It is not a game, it is not business app. Nothing.. Just the privilege to be able to run ANOTHER app. That's steep in my book.

Also, I maybe wrong but I cannot see 1000's of WebOS developers could compete with Millions of iphone developers Worldwide. I personally think, Palm was asleep too long...Palm Pre MAY save them but I kind of doubt it. That's coming from a Palm die_hard guy!

Yes, I agree Dennis, let's move on...

Mo.

ps: In regards to "free apps", we are talking strategy here. If Palm wants to make a break with the Palm OS, that's fine with me. But my point is that they did not have to. The iphone can market itself with having a itunes store with 50K apps (granted most of them crap..) What is Palm positioning? 5 WebOS apps store?

[DennisOS2]

Hello Dennis

Yes, I agree most of the 1000's of palm (and Iphone for that matter) are total crap. The fact still remain that they are many great apps on the Palm OS (I am not talking about mine here) that would be great to port to the WebOS. $30 for the "classic" app is just high enough to dissuade most people to invest that kind of money to run they favorite Palm Os app. Think about it. For $30 you get NOTHING! It is not a game, it is not business app. Nothing.. Just the privilege to be able to run ANOTHER app. That's steep in my book.

Also, I maybe wrong but I cannot see 1000's of WebOS developers could compete with Millions of iphone developers Worldwide. I personally think, Palm was asleep too long...Palm Pre MAY save them but I kind of doubt it. That's coming from a Palm die_hard guy!

Yes, I agree Dennis, let's move on...

Mo.

ps: In regards to "free apps", we are talking strategy here. If Palm wants to make a break with the Palm OS, that's fine with me. But my point is that they did not have to. The iphone can market itself with having a itunes store with 50K apps (granted most of them crap..) What is Palm positioning? 5 WebOS apps store?
Soooo........ I take it by your response, none of your apps were free either.

Classic allows PalmOS users to utilize most if not all of the apps they've purchased. Those users can use their purchased apps ............. even those they've purchased from you. You say they get nothing. However, they get a gateway to hundreds of apps ..... however many they've purchased, used and found useful. Many PalmOS developers are spewing sour grapes about being left behind ........... Palm has provided them a gateway.

Palm must look to the future ........... not back. Interesting the lack of comments about the iPhone able to work from a clean slate ........... no legacy apps to worry about. But you as a supposed Palm developer complain that the company that provided you a source of livelihood for years is somehow screwing you. Why? Because they charge for a way to utilize your apps? Wow, now that's Ironic.

I, too, am (was) a die-hard PalmOS guy starting with the Vx and MANY after that. I see something in the Pre tremendously more powerful. I prefer PalmOS to WM. But in its infancy this smartphone has the basics to be the most powerful smartphone for the foreseeable future.

Hmmmm .................. the count today in the apps store is 18. Yesterday, 6. After one day. If you're talented and an entrepreneur (and you obviously see a shortcoming/need) I'm sure you'll apply as a Pre developer to fill the store.

I have a hard time believing you're a hardcore Palm person. You speak nothing of the merits of the platforms .............. just how you're hurt by the current policy of Palm. You're ahead of most being a long time developer ............... get on the train and make some money.

[momob]

I have a hard time believing you're a hardcore Palm person.

"Palm 1000>Palm 5000>Treo 600>Treo 650>Treo 755p(currently)"

So please do me a favor, don't assume...

Mo.

[harpgliss]

Hi,

No you haven't moved on ............you're still here.


You really need to get a life.

Stop antagonizing members here, you going after momob is unexcusable.

Going after me, I just attribute it to you needing to drum up publicity for the Pre, since it is the only topic you concern yourself with when you post here.

There are other reasons for me to be here, though I am no longer a PalmOS user.

You are the one who needs to move on.

David

[DennisOS2]

Hi,




You really need to get a life.

Stop antagonizing members here, you going after momob is unexcusable.

Going after me, I just attribute it to you needing to drum up publicity for the Pre, since it is the only topic you concern yourself with when you post here.

There are other reasons for me to be here, though I am no longer a PalmOS user.

You are the one who needs to move on.

David
Place negative opinion where it is due, but the likes of you will not help matters. You wish to dissent and stifle. We need bringing people together. You're not helping. Why all the hate? What are you afraid of, Dave? Do we need an intervention here? PLEASE, get some sense about you.

[harpgliss]

Hi,

As I posted in another thread in response to a post by you, I would suggest you go back and read your previous posts if you have forgotten what you have written.

The rest of your post is pretty what I would ask you to pracrice if you are going to preach it, kind of the opposite of your previous posts.

I do mean it, nice post and please practice it in the future.

Thank you for putting the words to my thoughts so well.

David

[blues]

I'd be willing to do testing if I didn't have to pay $30 for Classic.

[momob]

Thank you very much blues for your interest. I fully understand.

No worries.

Mo.

[DennisOS2]

Hi,




You really need to get a life.

Stop antagonizing members here, you going after momob is unexcusable.

Going after me, I just attribute it to you needing to drum up publicity for the Pre, since it is the only topic you concern yourself with when you post here.

There are other reasons for me to be here, though I am no longer a PalmOS user.

You are the one who needs to move on.

David
I would suggest you not consider yourself the forum thought police either. When trolls come into a forum, make unfounded, negative statements, then say have a nice day ............ it doesn't work. You're high on platitudes and low in content. Most of your queries are related to what you've heard that is negative about the platform. then ask ..... is it true. You provide no substance, no back-ups for your statements, share no sites where the concepts originate.

Regarding our exchanges: you never address the challenges. If your position is so strong/solid I welcome being corrected. You've not done this once. Deflection is your greatest asset and hit & run your MO.

[harpgliss]

Hi,

Dennis, I am not sure what you are looking for with the continued posts provoking me.

Referencing the word "troll" after the posts you have made here today, specifically, is curious.

As for the nature of my posts regarding the Pre, if you only extol the good points of a product then it is left to others to fill in the blanks and let members know there may be issues with that product.

David

[Greek]

What about taking the "I am smarter than you" "conversation" to PM and getting back to topic? :)

momob: any input already? Do know if someone could test your apps? BTW, when Mojo SDK becomes available, do you plan to port them? I am thinking that being the Pre a capacitive screen device, with finger use in mind (and not stylus) you would have to redesign a lot, no?

Regards,

[harpgliss]

Hi,

What about taking the "I am smarter than you" "conversation" to PM and getting back to topic? :)


Better idea would be for it to stop completely but takes both willing to stop.

I hope it does stop.

David

[momob]

Hello Greek.

Not yet...

I actually design all my simulator games (Lunar lander and Space Dock or the upcoming F-16 sim) to be used with fingers and not stylus. The cockpit for instance has large control buttons so I will assume this will not be an issue. Once I get some kind people to try the games then I will know more of what to change if anything.

Thanks for the interesting question!

Take care.

Mo

[harpgliss]

Hi,

Momob, and to all members, I would like to apologize for my part in this thread going off topic.

David

[momob]

Hey David, do not worry about it. Still, I appreciate the gesture.

Take care.

Mo.