1gb Ms

[dhawkt]

I know that the 1 GB MS will not work on our NR-70.

Does anyone know will the 128MB able sw to 256MB works on our NR70??? or can it run on 256MB.

[crh3f]

The only "new" memory stick that we can run is the MS Select, the 128mbx2. We have to use it one side at a time, pop it out, and switch it to use the other.

[Unregistered]

You will need Os 5 (with some kind of upgrade from sony) to be able to use 1gb mem stick pro!! ............bummer!

[Spiral]

that "kind of upgrade" woudl coem in buying a whole new palm pilot unfortuantely...

[crh3f]

You beat to me the punch again, Spiral...

An OS4 device cannot be upgraded to OS 5. Different chipset. Sorry 'bout that...

[terue5b0]

Maybe Eruware (Developer of the CF driver for CLIE's) can make a driver for OS4 CLIE's that would give them "Memory Stick Pro." compatibility? Go to their site and then contact page. Send their Suggestions / Developer departments an email like this:


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Hi. I was wondering if it’s possible for Eruware to develop a driver that would allow Sony’s PalmOS 4 CLIE’s such as the PEG-SJ22, PEG-SJ30, PEG-NR70 and PEG-SJ33 to be compatible with Sony’s new “Memory Stick Pro.”. A driver that would allow the PalmOS 4 CLIE’s to just be able to recognize, read and write to a “Memory Stick Pro.”. I guess this driver would have to be kind of like the CF driver for Sony’s CLIE’s with CF slots. Thanks for any help!!!

Sincerely,
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[nnrr7700vv]

Hey, this thread just read my mind today, or something...
Anyway, where do you get the double-sided MS? Sony only? Or at a store near you? Any idea on a fair price?
EMI (even more importantly), any reports of any problems w/any of them (incl. off-brands) as yet?
tia

[crh3f]

I think you can get them from Amazon.com, I've seen them on eBay, etc.

As for issues arising, I have so far not heard of any, but that doesn't mean there aren't; I do not have one of my own.

Price: I think retail is about $140 for the Sony brand on Amazon.com, but I've seen them for $70-80 on eBay. Not bad seeing as a regular 128 is $80 retail.

[golalmo]

MemoryStick Pro (256, 512 and 1GB) DOES work on OS/4, but you should format it to FAT16 (on your PC) before using it on the Cli'e.
MSPro come already formatted to FAT32 so it can't be read by OS4 (nor OS5 without update).

[quintuss]

"MemoryStick Pro (256, 512 and 1GB) DOES work on OS/4, but you should format it to FAT16 (on your PC) before using it on the Cli'e. "

... Can anyone confirm this ? Has anyone tried this ?
I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE MORE ROOM :D

[crh3f]

There are some threads around here that people claim to have tried it to no avail...Golalmo...do you know something different, and how to do it?

[GeekGod]

Originally posted by golalmo
MemoryStick Pro (256, 512 and 1GB) DOES work on OS/4, but you should format it to FAT16 (on your PC) before using it on the Cli'e.
MSPro come already formatted to FAT32 so it can't be read by OS4 (nor OS5 without update).
Didn't work when I tried it. Have YOU actually gotten this to work, or are you just propagating false rumors?

[nnrr7700vv]

Yeah, it's a little bit of a stretch to believe Sony would bother w/the double-sided sticks if there was such an easy fix to run the MS-pros ... but, OTOH, they are known for trying to get stuff by us (like the CF-card fiasco), so....
:?

[AndyMac]

My impression was that it was a hardware issue, not software. The MS Pro uses more pins than the old MS so it won't work in older Clie or cameras.

If this is true then no amount of software patching will solve the issue.

[terue5b0]

Originally posted by AndyMac
My impression was that it was a hardware issue, not software. The MS Pro uses more pins than the old MS so it won't work in older Clie or cameras.

If this is true then no amount of software patching will solve the issue.

Don't the NX and NZ series and the TG50 have the same number of pins in their memory stick slots as the SJ33, SJ22, SJ30, NR series and T6xx series?

[Spiral]

Actually i thi nk the # of pins is the same, but it uses a new controller for the memory that isn't supported by the NR.

[PDAJah]

Have a look here -> http://www.dpreview.com/news/0301/03010904mspro.asp

Useful information on memory sticks.

From what I can see the MS Select should work with the NR70 but the MS Pro will only work NX and NZ machines. The MS Select provides 256MB as 2x128MB.

[golalmo]

I can now confirm, that 256MB MSPro module, formatted to FAT16, DOES work on NR series (and probably other os 4 devices).

[crh3f]

That's great!

So, how do you format a stick to FAT16? Do I need a reader for it, or will the Clie slot suffice? Can I do it in XP?

[Noone]

http://www.tristatecamera.com/LookAtAll-00vo23op-SONMSA128S2-3-00710191-0-store.php3.html

Tristate Camera, Video ...
MSA-128S2, 256MB (128X2MB) MEMORY STICK WITH MEMORY SELECT FUNCTION
Item #: SONMSA128S2
Mfr Part #: MSA-128S2
Price: $89.99

[terue5b0]

Originally posted by golalmo
I can now confirm, that 256MB MSPro module, formatted to FAT16, DOES work on NR series (and probably other os 4 devices).


So, tell us how you did it. Please give us detailed instructions! Also, do you have any other OS4 CLIEs that you could try it with? Thanks for any help!!! :)

[big_raji]

Originally posted by golalmo
I can now confirm, that 256MB MSPro module, formatted to FAT16, DOES work on NR series (and probably other os 4 devices).

Not to be a complete naysayer, but I don't believe you.

Sorry.

I just remember that this possibility was discussed to death on these forums back when MS Pro came out, and I can only assume that it was also tried to death as well when MS Pro was made more available.

We would've known if this worked back then, when hundreds of people were trying out the possibility. And yes, the possibility of formatting with a different file system like FAT12 or FAT16 was specifically discussed.

[terue5b0]

I love my SJ33, but this Mem. Stick Pro. incompatibility still gets me steaming. Sony sucks!

[yOyOYoo]

sony does suck! yet why do we all keep using sony products? :confused: :confused: :confused:

[Ezikial Anta]

Because sony doesnt suck? Wow this is confusing...

[terue5b0]

'Cause they have kewl products just happen to become incompatible with each other sometimes.

[nnrr7700vv]

(Sorry about the above; but I can't get in to edit it for some reason.)
Anyway, a simple test to see if the 1GB stick (or >128Mb, anyway) is accessible by the NR70V is if we could see a short video clip (about 5 sec., I guess) where we see the stick (clearly)inserted into the device, and then CardAccess (or other app) shows its capacity.
If you have even a dinky digicam / webcam, maybe it does video (even short vid). No sound necessary.

As far as Sony being good or bad, it seems they "consider themselves too busy coming up w/new products to bother supporting the prev. ones."
1 way to protect against this is always get a 1yr. or 2yr. plan from like Best Buy, etc. if you buy Sony. This way you can just skip their god-awful support (and prices, even if you can get thru to them, and they do agree to do a repair).
AFA playing movies on a >128MB MS, I guess we have to cut them a bit of slack in saying that it almost wasn't worth thinking about prior to Kinoma (note GMovie is pre-loaded on the NR70V, and Sony prob. didn't cut a deal w/Kinoma until late), so maybe they never thought >128MB MS would turn out as important as it has. (Tho MP3s were certainly out there. Maybe no Sony exec. ever listens to more than 1hr. of music per day!)

[crh3f]

I also do not completely believe this claim...but I'm willing to entertain an attempt at proof. The possibility of it working is to me worth the risk that I'm just being gullible...

[golalmo]

Originally posted by crh3f
That's great!

So, how do you format a stick to FAT16? Do I need a reader for it, or will the Clie slot suffice? Can I do it in XP?

I don't have any card reader, and therfore, I mount my cli'e as a disk drive (using msimport) and formated the MS (I made it with W98 since WXP format to FAT32/NTFS).

Format capacity for the 256mb MSpro is 246mb (259,391,488 mbit).

[GeekGod]

Originally posted by golalmo
I can now confirm, that 256MB MSPro module, formatted to FAT16, DOES work on NR series (and probably other os 4 devices). Didn't work when I tried it.

[rkadowns]

FAT16 can only address 65535 clusters. Each cluster can be anywhere between 2KB and 32KB. If the OS4 devices can only address 128MB of memory on an MS, then it is safe to say that OS4 can only read memory sticks formatted at FAT16 with 2KB clusters (134215680 bytes). If the OS can be patched to read 32KB clusters (or somewhere in between), then the maximum addressable space would be 2GB with 32KB clusters. (2467046400 bytes)

Anyone think they can create a util that could format an MS at those specs and then a system HACK that can read it?

[rkadowns]

Originally posted by rkadowns
FAT16 can only address 65535 clusters. Each cluster can be anywhere between 2KB and 32KB. If the OS4 devices can only address 128MB of memory on an MS, then it is safe to say that OS4 can only read memory sticks formatted at FAT16 with 2KB clusters (134215680 bytes). If the OS can be patched to read 32KB clusters (or somewhere in between), then the maximum addressable space would be 2GB with 32KB clusters. (2467046400 bytes)

Anyone think they can create a util that could format an MS at those specs and then a system HACK that can read it?

I Just mounted my NR's MS and performed a chkdsk. It tells me that each allocation unit is 16KB. (65535 * 16384 = 1073725440) We should be able to read 1GB memory sticks.

Now I would have to wonder if Sony changed the pinout, energy requirements, or both with the MS pro and ended up having to sacrifice the older units not because of addressable space issues but physical issues instead. Seems to me that if I were Sony, I would want to make my proprietary memory as compatibley with as many units as possible to keep the format alive. They may not have had too many choices.

[GeekGod]

Originally posted by golalmo


I don't have any card reader, and therfore, I mount my cli'e as a disk drive (using msimport) and formated the MS (I made it with W98 since WXP format to FAT32/NTFS).

Format capacity for the 256mb MSpro is 246mb (259,391,488 mbit).

And how do you get MS Import to work when it can't read the Pro stick. This simply won't work.

[streetplayer]

So did we decide the msx256 pro works with NR or Not?

Confused...
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Cheers :)

[crh3f]

I think I'm leaning toward believing GeekGod...it DOESN'T work. It'd be great if it did; reformatting it had promise, but when they guy said he'd formatted in "in his clie" that made it clear that he's making it up; his Clie can't read it, that's why we want to format it!!

[GeekGod]

Just in case anyone had any lingering doubts or hopes...

My friendly nieghborhood Sony rep loaned me a 256MB MS Pro to play with for a few days, and I pretty much beat the FAT format issue to death.

Using a VAIO RZ34G computer, I formatted the stick in FAT many times with every cluster size allowable (and even several that the computer gave nasty warnings about, but let me force the issue) and NOTHING made it readable on my NR70v.

In all cases the stick was verified after format by running CHKDSK & Scandisk to confirm the cluster size and ensure that the stick was readable on the computer. The stick was then inserted into my NR70v and tested with several programs (Card Info, McFile, etc.). Nothing was able to read the card or even identify it.

As I suspected, golalmo is full of crap. Keep that in mind when reading anything else he posts.

Aloha, GG