Pre Preview of Apps

[DennisOS2]

Impressive capabilities and most likely, just the beginning.

http://www.precentral.net/palm-pre-3rd-party-app-video-walkthrough

[JavaJiveJump]

Thanks for the post!

[DennisOS2]

Thanks for the post!
Looking better with every leaked demo. Now, let's hope they get the pricing and marketing right!

[JavaJiveJump]

Dennis, I try to remain optimistic, but it looks as if everything is riding on the Pre's success for Palm. They better have all their ducks in a row on this. I'm also in that small group of people that love their PDA as a true PDA. I don't really need/want a new phone, but am curious about the Pre. Oh well...

[DennisOS2]

Dennis, I try to remain optimistic, but it looks as if everything is riding on the Pre's success for Palm. They better have all their ducks in a row on this. I'm also in that small group of people that love their PDA as a true PDA. I don't really need/want a new phone, but am curious about the Pre. Oh well...

As I've said in another thread .......... the linux/WebOS base could be a great start to a all new class of PDAs. BT and WiFi is there. True multitasking is there. All that is needed is a suite of good MM apps and business apps and you've satisfied all but the gamers. I just don't know how many like you are out there. I always thought the majority of PDA users moved to converged devices (smartphones).

Any idea how many PDAs are sold annually?

[JavaJiveJump]

oh, I am a dying breed. people today can't even grasp the concept of a PDA without a phone. I even doubt there are any manufacturers out there that produce any handheld device that doesn't incorporate a phone (apart from the game machines).

I still love my modified LifeDrive. It's my multimedia machine, all of my books, my documents and of course calendar all on a nice large screen 480x320. I like my Blackberry for phone and web stuff. It has a good thumb-board.

The Pre looks like it has a good thumbboard and a big screen. All it needs is "push" email, and an SD slot and internal memory at least 16GB if not 32GB in size.

[DennisOS2]

oh, I am a dying breed. people today can't even grasp the concept of a PDA without a phone. I even doubt there are any manufacturers out there that produce any handheld device that doesn't incorporate a phone (apart from the game machines).

I still love my modified LifeDrive. It's my multimedia machine, all of my books, my documents and of course calendar all on a nice large screen 480x320. I like my Blackberry for phone and web stuff. It has a good thumb-board.

The Pre looks like it has a good thumbboard and a big screen. All it needs is "push" email, and an SD slot and internal memory at least 16GB if not 32GB in size.
With auto email checking (just like push), and full connectivity, a new type of PDA may be born. Only problem is the amount of stored data you need. I'm a business user with little use for music or video so 8gig is plenty on board. For most business users (Pre main target audience) it is way more than needed. The gamers and video users will no doubt find it insufficient. This is not an iPhone. Also, this is a v1. Look out for future releases :p

[JavaJiveJump]

So it competes more with the Blackberry market? I agree it seems to. I just regret that no one (except for perhaps the iTouch) is interested in just a true PDA (sans phone). I don't want a new plan or switch carriers. I just want a device to store an access electronic data on the go. I guess that is really my point, Dennis. ;)

[DennisOS2]

So it competes more with the Blackberry market? I agree it seems to. I just regret that no one (except for perhaps the iTouch) is interested in just a true PDA (sans phone). I don't want a new plan or switch carriers. I just want a device to store an access electronic data on the go. I guess that is really my point, Dennis. ;)
Yes, I did get your point. You are a true PDA user. How hard would it be for Palm to take the phone out, remove related software and sell as a PDA companion to the Pre and Eos? Would be very interested to get the stats on number of daily and weekly PDA users.

As far as appealing to BB users: IMO its aimed in that direction but not at them. BB users are not inclined to switch ....... just like iPhone users. I imagine those leaning towards the BB or non-iPhone smartphones are candidates.

Given the graphics engine, processor and OS, the Pre could be a MM/gaming device. So it could go in just about any direction Palm chooses. Palm just has to let people know it exists so they can sell more. Not seeing much in the way of advertising.

[Greek]

In some months, you'll be able to buy a Pre from any carrier. GSM will be out soon for the rest of the world, except the US. Then it will be sold unlocked so you can plug it in T-Mobile or AT&T. Verizon will probably get it too. If the rumours are true, EOS will be first available on AT&T meaning that it will be sold unlocked in the rest of the world.

Telephone companies help paying manufacturers for some releases, and then they sell it cheaper to customers as they pick the money on the monthly bills.

I was a 2 device guy, never thought I was going to "convert" to a smartphone, until I got a 650 as a gift. Well, I ditched the TX sooner than what I thought. Then, I bought the Centro and I no longer would carry a PDA.

Of course, I would like wifi and a 320x480 screen, that's why I will try to buy a Pre as soon as it's available over here. :)

I payed more for the TX than what I payed for an unlocked Centro (less than 300). Big majority of people (what matters for a company that wants to stay alive) don't want to carry 2 devices when one can do both.

I don't have the numbers here, but I read that there are much more iPhones sold than iPod Touch. I guess that a "Pre PDA" would sell much less. Without companies subsidies, it will probably make a loss.

That's the reason why Toshiba, Dell, Acer, Sony, and others stopped making PDAs, HP sells them but barely produces new ones.

I really don't think it's worth the effort/risk to produce one. Try a smartphone, and you won't regret.

(I am a Palm user since 1999).

Regards,

[intellidryad]

After getting the Pre, I realized there is no way I could ditch my Clie TH55. The webOS PIMs are a joke when compared to Palm OS or Clie Organizer.

[JavaJiveJump]

Here's another "popularity" chart: (http://blackberrysync.com/2009/06/blackberry-dominating-us-smartphone-market-shares/)

http://blackberrysync.com/2009/06/blackberry-dominating-us-smartphone-market-shares/

[DennisOS2]

In some months, you'll be able to buy a Pre from any carrier. GSM will be out soon for the rest of the world, except the US. Then it will be sold unlocked so you can plug it in T-Mobile or AT&T. Verizon will probably get it too. If the rumours are true, EOS will be first available on AT&T meaning that it will be sold unlocked in the rest of the world.

Of course, I would like wifi and a 320x480 screen, that's why I will try to buy a Pre as soon as it's available over here. :)

I payed more for the TX than what I payed for an unlocked Centro (less than 300). Big majority of people (what matters for a company that wants to stay alive) don't want to carry 2 devices when one can do both.

I don't have the numbers here, but I read that there are much more iPhones sold than iPod Touch. I guess that a "Pre PDA" would sell much less. Without companies subsidies, it will probably make a loss.

That's the reason why Toshiba, Dell, Acer, Sony, and others stopped making PDAs, HP sells them but barely produces new ones.

I really don't think it's worth the effort/risk to produce one. Try a smartphone, and you won't regret.

(I am a Palm user since 1999).

Regards,
Smartphones are logical convergence devices, but you still see people with PDAs ............. not many, but some. It does seem well past the time of PDA, however.

I didn't give up my NX80 till I got my 750. The NX80's screen was so big, bright, that I used it constantly for Word docs, Excel sheets, etc. Screen on the Treo's (for me) are too small to work on to extended periods. Plus, I eventually got tired of carrying 2 devices. The Pre (and it's screen) changes all that. Will be able get back to doing work on it as I did on the 80. Hoping DtG Pro version becomes available by the time the unlocked Pre hits here.

Also a Palm user since 1999.

Where's here?

[juggernaut#2]

the more and more companies forbid the use of devices with a camera inside, the more and more PDA´s will come back, I guess. I already know lots of ppl trying to get a device without a camera - and having problems with that :)


I´m a PDA user since 1996 :)

[Greek]

I guess then, that it's possible that manufacturers will make some models of cellphones without a camera. I think there was a BBerry model with or without camera to choose from.

PDAs have been relegated to vertical markets: surveying, telemetry, inventory but in rugged designs.

@Dennis: here = South America. :-)

Note: when I said I am a Palm user since 1999, I just wanted to say that I was a PDA + phone fanatic and in no way I was going to use a smartphone. In fact, I was not going to buy one. I got the 650 because I received it as a gift as said above, then I converted. :D

Regards,

[JavaJiveJump]

the more and more companies forbid the use of devices with a camera inside, the more and more PDA´s will come back, I guess. I already know lots of ppl trying to get a device without a camera - and having problems with that :)


I´m a PDA user since 1996 :)
I'm glad to hear there are still others out there. What is this about companies forbidding the use of devices with cameras? This is news to me... Are people taking covert pictures of sensitive documents?

[DennisOS2]

the more and more companies forbid the use of devices with a camera inside, the more and more PDA´s will come back, I guess. I already know lots of ppl trying to get a device without a camera - and having problems with that :)


I´m a PDA user since 1996 :)
Forgot about that issue with cameras in phones (or PDAs for that matter). Haven't heard much about that lately but it is an important issue with many companies. That would mena the PDA /smartphone manufacturer would have to offer the same units with the camera disabled from the factory.

Actually I have been a PDA user since the first HP 95LX "Palmtop" in 1991. DOS 3.2, Lotus 1 2 3, memory slot, all basic PDA functions, keyboard (no touch screen).

[DennisOS2]

I'm glad to hear there are still others out there. What is this about companies forbidding the use of devices with cameras? This is news to me... Are people taking covert pictures of sensitive documents?
Yes, that's the fear .............. industrial espionage. But most modern day PDAs have cameras, as well.

[Aces]

I'm glad to hear there are still others out there. What is this about companies forbidding the use of devices with cameras? This is news to me... Are people taking covert pictures of sensitive documents?

In general, forbidding cameraphones on a companies premises is both silly, and hard to enforce. But we sometimes do work for Naval shipyards. And on their property, it's both forbidden and strongly enforced. In that type of place, it may still be carried farther than makes sense to me. But National security is still a concern I guess.

[JavaJiveJump]

Indeed, Intellectual Property is sometimes of more value than physical property.

[juggernaut#2]

as a matter of fact I personally enjoy i.e. restaurants or clubs that enforce ppl to hand over their camera enabled device right at the entrance. I´d suppose, the more private videos of ppl not even knowing about it turn up on youtube, the more ppl will enjoy that there are places where I´m not going to see myself on youtube next day.

problem is, of course, not the camera or the device, but the ppl using it (and ignoring ppl´s rights when uploading it to youtube). anybody who ever saw himself filmed through his bathroom window will easily understand what I mean :)

[DennisOS2]

In general, forbidding cameraphones on a companies premises is both silly, and hard to enforce. But we sometimes do work for Naval shipyards. And on their property, it's both forbidden and strongly enforced. In that type of place, it may still be carried farther than makes sense to me. But National security is still a concern I guess.
National security is a real issue with camera phones. In the olden days there were 'spy cameras'. The camera phones are just as small. This also happens in industry all the time. companies have the prerogative to say how they'll attempt to safeguard their intellectual property.

[DennisOS2]

as a matter of fact I personally enjoy i.e. restaurants or clubs that enforce ppl to hand over their camera enabled device right at the entrance. I´d suppose, the more private videos of ppl not even knowing about it turn up on youtube, the more ppl will enjoy that there are places where I´m not going to see myself on youtube next day.

problem is, of course, not the camera or the device, but the ppl using it (and ignoring ppl´s rights when uploading it to youtube). anybody who ever saw himself filmed through his bathroom window will easily understand what I mean :)
Great points. Didn't realize there were restaurants that ask you to 'check your camera phone' at the door. Also keeps the idiots from sharing their cell phone conversations with everyone else in the restaurant. Most annoying.

[em-ve]

heyy ...im a newbie nd i have a question .... is the palm pre compatible with blackberry software??????

[ejtbatchelor]

heyy ...im a newbie nd i have a question .... is the palm pre compatible with blackberry software??????
Blackberry apps are not directly compatible with a palm pre as far as I know. They are 2 different operating systems. I would be like trying to run software that is only made for a mac on a PC will not work. There may be some blackberry apps that are or will be ported to WebOS but I do not know of any.

[aaronwilliams12]

I think the applications are really impressive. I wished there were more games but the other stuff is good. I think the navigation doesn't work well in a car. The maps don't keep up with you on the highway. But other then that the phone overall is probably going to be a home run for palm. I think its the best phone they have came out with so far.


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